dcaliph:


I told you before that I don't have knowledge about the origin of the deltan igbo, I have friends from there, so I would talk to them about it. I don't say what I don't know.

As per Benin didn't allow others to speak their language is easily verifiable. I told you no tribe founded by Benin speaks Benin language. Benin city is just a small place in the Benin empire. Nearly all the other people are ruled by kings with Benin lineage, and I ask you to just name one place evn a tiny piece of land that speaks benin.

The Benin culture is different from others in nigeria. For instant the Benin King don't leave Benin. He even hardly leave the palace except something very serious to the extent that as the Igbos say "you don buy market", the benins would say "you go see go see Oba". As I am here in Benin if the Oba shows up in my street, I would run. Why some thing has happen.
This would be strange to people outside, but it is the truth. Another strange culture that isn't practice anymore is the saying that the Benin is king, even if a year old boy is in the midst of 90 year old men from other place in the old Benin Empire, he is their senior and leader, he would break the kolanut.
Also another strange tradition of the Benin people is that used to see their obas as gods, as Igbos and other tribes name themselves Chuku this, chuku that, old benin names are Oba this Oba that. It only change to Osa after christianity came. For example names like Osaze now used to be Obaze.

All these are strange, but it is the truth. Like I said before I don't know about the Ika people, I am only saying what I know.

what kind of rubbish is this?

we that even did rag day into Oba Palace in benin.

do you know how many times the Oba has visited Ekpoma for convocation?

stop talking rubbish abeg.

rexbuton:

This is similar to saying China should redraw her map to include all the Chinatowns all over the world.. Does that even make sense?

see ur foolish logic. Hw does d two scenerios resemble

Malawian:

what kind of rubbish is this?

we that even did rag day into Oba Palace in benin.

do you know how many times the Oba has visited Ekpoma for convocation?

stop talking rubbish abeg.

You called what I said rubbish without even contradicting me. Are you from Edo state. If Oba of Benin visit Ekpoma, is Ekpoma not in Edo? Is Convocation not an important event? In your life have you seen or heard the Oba leaving Edo for anything? Have you even see him visiting a president.

That you entered the oba palace, is that strange? Isn't the Oba palace a UNESCO world heritage site, that tourist visite? Did you really entered the main oba palace. Did you see the Oba when you did the rag day?

Modified
I just confirmed the Oba of Benin going to Ekpoma, bross sorry no vex you can lie big lie o. I just gave you the Benefit of doubt and asked in my workplace, see shout wey I hear, I was even embarrassed for my self.

dcaliph:


You called what I said rubbish without even contradicting me. Are you from Edo state. If Oba of Benin visit Ekpoma, is Ekpoma not in Edo? Is Convocation not an important event? In your life have you seen or heard the Oba leaving Edo for anything? Have you even see him visiting a president.

That you entered the oba palace, is that strange? Isn't the Oba palace a UNESCO world heritage site, that tourist visite? Did you really entered the main oba palace. Did you see the Oba when you did the rag day?

Modified
I just confirmed the Oba of Benin going to Ekpoma, bross sorry no vex you can lie big lie o. I just gave you the Benefit of doubt and asked in my workplace, see shout wey I hear, I was even embarrassed for my self.

you were talking as if the Oba of Benin is a recluse.
i have seen the man several times, and nobody was running anywhere. is he an armed robber?
abeg jare.

dcaliph:


You called what I said rubbish without even contradicting me. Are you from Edo state. If Oba of Benin visit Ekpoma, is Ekpoma not in Edo? Is Convocation not an important event? In your life have you seen or heard the Oba leaving Edo for anything? Have you even see him visiting a president.

That you entered the oba palace, is that strange? Isn't the Oba palace a UNESCO world heritage site, that tourist visite? Did you really entered the main oba palace. Did you see the Oba when you did the rag day?

Modified
I just confirmed the Oba of Benin going to Ekpoma, bross sorry no vex you can lie big lie o. I just gave you the Benefit of doubt and asked in my workplace, see shout wey I hear, I was even embarrassed for my self.

i dont know what you are confirming.
when i was in hundred level, the last convocation ceremony, because abdulsalam's daughter was also convocation, you needed to see the caliber of VIPs that graced that occasion.

abeg, if you did not school in Expoma, you cant be talking rubbish. you confirmed from your workplace abi? is your workplace in custody of the Oba's retinue?

Malawian:

i dont know what you are confirming.
when i was in hundred level, the last convocation ceremony, because abdulsalam's daughter was also convocation, you needed to see the caliber of VIPs that graced that occasion.

abeg, if you did not school in Expoma, you cant be talking rubbish. you confirmed from your workplace abi? is your workplace in custody of the Oba's retinue?

I said again you are a liar

dcaliph:
I said again you are a liar

no point in arguing further with you.
i was present there, you asked your co-workers.
case closed.

Malawian:

no point in arguing further with you.
i was present there, you asked your co-workers.
case closed.

na only you go Ekpoma shabi, we that attended University of Benin didn't see the oba at our Convocations . Oshiomole didn't even see he in his swearing in. I schooled in Benin from primary to University, I lived close to the Oba palace for about 10 years and am telling you that what you said is false. Oba don't come out from his palace except on rear occasions like the Igue festival. His chiefs represents him.
Their are many Edo people in Nairaland, that can confirm this.

Malawian:

what kind of rubbish is this?

we that even did rag day into Oba Palace in benin.

do you know how many times the Oba has visited Ekpoma for convocation?

stop talking rubbish abeg.

BROS HAFA U
WHEN I READ THIS POST, I JUST REMOVED MY BATTERY W/O SHUTTING DOWN youve been fooled big time

I AM A PROUD BINI MAN, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE OBA OF BENIN HAS NEVER VISITED UNIBEN TALKLESS OF EKPOMA.. HE HAS NEVER VISITED EVEN THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE OR ANYBODY'S HOUSE.. HE IS THE OBA..

THE ONLY TIME HE HAS HONOURED AN INVITATION WAS WHEN HE WAS SUMMONED TO COURT IN A CASE INSTITUTED BY THE ESAMA OF BENIN (Igbinedion), AND HE TREKKED TO COURT FROM THE PALACE
FUN FACT: THE OBA DOES NOT USE CARS.. HE WALKS

SO MAYBE IT WAS Bob Izua or Tony Kabaka you saw at your convocation and you started thinking it was Oba

during your rag day, you didnt see Oba.. wait oo. rag day all the way from ekpoma?? una dey trek ooo
anyways, it wasnt Oba you saw.. not everyone gets an audience, not even when Buhari came last time..
so many ministers come around when in town, they are met by the Iyase or Isekhure

dcaliph:
I said again you are a liar

just imagine coming to visit the Oba , and they tell you that he's not around.. He travelled to Ekpoma.. wont you fall down laughing?

UnknownT:
I served in delta state, my principal an Agbor man Mr. Linus Ngozi Oribei is a proud Igbo man.

your principal is free to call himself anything he likes, but that doesn't make him any thing he likes>>>

If you've followed this thread carefully you'd see posts of ika people who have claimed they are not bini neither are they Igbo

rexbuton:


just imagine coming to visit the Oba , and they tell you that he's not around.. He travelled to Ekpoma.. wont you fall down laughing?

Hahahaha Bross seriously that guy fall my hand, I was going to ask mumu questions. He even said he has seen the Oba many times, na oba wife he be

Also I saw some people saying Ikas are Igbos that were staying in Benin and migrated to Asaba. And I was like what Igbos staying in the Benin when Benin was Benin? If only they know that at that time, fear wouldn't allow an Igbo man to step his foot in Benin, talk less of settling there, for would be use for human sacrifice. Remember the British that entered Benin at the wrong time were killed not to talk of an Igbo man. I'm not been tribalistic, it just the truth.

I have another angle to this story:
1. Philip Emegwali, I think he's a resourceful Igbo man backed his history of the Onitcha as that of Benin, its so rooted in the palace tales it would have a huge percentage of truth. Onitcha had Benin root.
2. Benin empire at its peak extended to Onitsha today bringing a cosmopolitan dwellers from Bini to Ibo(now Igbo, and what's the meaning of Igbo in Igbo language?)
3.At some points, Benin powers began to wane and some others groups began to rise up. I think there are other keywords that transverse the entire empire, you can check Akoko, ifon, ikale, Ekiti and Etsako dialects and compare.
I think major groups down Delta are connected to Benin by ancestry but like Lagos of today, have many mixed ethnic groups which later divided in the 19th century.
As long as language remain a strong cultural identity but it isn't finite, for example Adolfus Wabara isn't Yoruba but was raised as one. Berbers aren't Arabs though Arabized and speak Arabic. The Ika and Anioma may be right and believe me you can't force igboness on them if they chose not to be.They may have been'Igbonized' but may be they are not Igbo.Think about it, the Igala and Uoruba speak seriously close languages yet Yoruba never claim igala to be Yoruba but they are kinsmen alongside itsekiri, Bini and Egun, Ewe, and Ga.
You can't claim people you can only win them to your side and aside the Benin empire, there was never an Igbo empire or kingdom in the last 500years befoe 18th century, so its a difficult challenge for any universal Igbo claims.what do you think guys?

mandarin:
I have another angle to this story:
1. Philip Emegwali, I think he's a resourceful Igbo man backed his history of the Onitcha as that of Benin, its so rooted in the palace tales it would have a huge percentage of truth. Onitcha had Benin root.
2. Benin empire at its peak extended to Onitsha today bringing a cosmopolitan dwellers from Bini to Ibo(now Igbo, and what's the meaning of Igbo in Igbo language?)
3.At some points, Benin powers began to wane and some others groups began to rise up. I think there are other keywords that transverse the entire empire, you can check Akoko, ifon, ikale, Ekiti and Etsako dialects and compare.
I think major groups down Delta are connected to Benin by ancestry but like Lagos of today, have many mixed ethnic groups which later divided in the 19th century.
As long as language remain a strong cultural identity but it isn't finite, for example Adolfus Wabara isn't Yoruba but was raised as one. Berbers aren't Arabs though Arabized and speak Arabic. The Ika and Anioma may be right and believe me you can't force igboness on them if they chose not to be.They may have been'Igbonized' but may be they are not Igbo.Think about it, the Igala and Uoruba speak seriously close languages yet Yoruba never claim igala to be Yoruba but they are kinsmen alongside itsekiri, Bini and Egun, Ewe, and Ga.
You can't claim people you can only win them to your side and aside the Benin empire, there was never an Igbo empire or kingdom in the last 500years befoe 18th century, so its a difficult challenge for any universal Igbo claims.what do you think guys?

I think you are in line and I admire your knowledge of history.

PhysicsHD is that you?? Are you back?

GenIgrigi:


**grins** This is a NASA picture from space taken at night depicting industrialization/economic activity in Nigeria. Igboland was shown to have more economic activities/industrialization than yorubaland and north put together. What have you guys been doing with federal help for more than 40years?. Keep deluding yourselves while Igbos profiteer from your lazy beggarly nature. you guys are cursed.I'm happy you feel you are the winner.It keeps the agenda alive **LOLS**

That is not a map of industrialization, stop deceiving yourself... those are the lights from gas flares in the Niger Delta.

mandarin:
I have another angle to this story:
1. Philip Emegwali, I think he's a resourceful Igbo man backed his history of the Onitcha as that of Benin, its so rooted in the palace tales it would have a huge percentage of truth. Onitcha had Benin root.
2. Benin empire at its peak extended to Onitsha today bringing a cosmopolitan dwellers from Bini to Ibo(now Igbo, and what's the meaning of Igbo in Igbo language?)
3.At some points, Benin powers began to wane and some others groups began to rise up. I think there are other keywords that transverse the entire empire, you can check Akoko, ifon, ikale, Ekiti and Etsako dialects and compare.
I think major groups down Delta are connected to Benin by ancestry but like Lagos of today, have many mixed ethnic groups which later divided in the 19th century.


As long as language remain a strong cultural identity but it isn't finite, for example Adolfus Wabara isn't Yoruba but was raised as one. Berbers aren't Arabs though Arabized and speak Arabic. The Ika and Anioma may be right and believe me you can't force igboness on them if they chose not to be.They may have been'Igbonized' but may be they are not Igbo.Think about it, the Igala and Uoruba speak seriously close languages yet Yoruba never claim igala to be Yoruba but they are kinsmen alongside itsekiri, Bini and Egun, Ewe, and Ga.
You can't claim people you can only win them to your side and aside the Benin empire, there was never an Igbo empire or kingdom in the last 500years befoe 18th century, so its a difficult challenge for any universal Igbo claims.what do you think guys?

another one of these guys had previously discredited emegweali's account, stating that the latter should "stick to what he knows..."
these guys accept whatever is convenient for them, and reject any other theories! without even thinking

That's why i've stopped taking them seriously

1. ika is ika and it is different from the igbo nation , and i dont know what igbo people want to gain from trying to conscript ika people into igbo, i am ika and i dont ever want to be igbo , but if an igbo guy loves ika so much and all igbos want to be ika , then they are welcome.
2. the way igbo people talk about their tribe , is just a spark of ignorance , they talk as if igbo as an etrhnicity was formed by God , they do not even know that igbo ethnicity was put together by the british , just like any tribe is an amalgamation of people who think they share a common ethnicity and want to protect themselves politically . as for the ika people we cannot benefit any thing from an igbo union , and our fore fathers were never in any union with the igbos , we have resisted both the benins claim to own ika in 1930 and the igbo claims to ika in 1967 , during the civil war and that has ended the story .
3. ika people declared in 1930 to the british that ika is different ethnic group , different from any other in nigeria , end of story .and out of this resolve majority of ika people atleast about 98 percent of ika people believe in their ika ethnicity and so we have our onu-ika/ogua-ika as the highest socio-political organisation speaking for ika nation , just as ohaneze ndigbo speaks for igbo people.
4. ika is at the boundary of two major ethnicities which are edo and igbo , and as such is influenced by these two both in language and culture and this gave ika nation , its uniqueness.
5. our names , culture , tradition , beliefs , and language set us apart from the others or how else can you imagine that when the oba of benin is doing igue festival , the kings of agbor , owa , umunede and other ika areas are also performing same festival , when ikaba, ovia , idigun , idinwina and olokun is worshipped in benin , ika people two are bussy doing theirs ? then we also perform ikenga and do new yam festival of iwagi , but we also perform ogbanigbe and osiezi which is only performed by ika people , our kingship and titles are patterned after benin.
6. ika also retains some igbo culture like ikenga , new yam festival and worship of ali , these sets ika apart from others .
7. our people bear both igbo and benin names , but the benin names are usually our family names like osagie, omojie, omigie , osahon, obaigbena ,. irabor and the rest .we also bear ikenchuku , ifeanyi and the rest .
8. the oba of benin visits ika land quite often because the spiritual and ethnic link between ika and benin is still strong , the oba visited owa in 1992 , 1998 , 2009 , to perform some rites .owa kings still visit benin up till dates .
9. there are still some titles in agbor that you have to go to benin to get the chalk before you are given the title in agbor like ugbasogun of agbor title .
10. the reality today is that ika is a seperate ethnic group of its own and any body still dreaming of ika as being igbo is just performing an academic exercise which is wasteful , as of today there is not ika prominent person that belongs to ohaneze ndigbo meeting or speaks for or on behalf of igbos , but they speak for ika , even at the national conference ika was represented there .

rexbuton:



BROS HAFA U
WHEN I READ THIS POST, I JUST REMOVED MY BATTERY W/O SHUTTING DOWN youve been fooled big time

I AM A PROUD BINI MAN, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE OBA OF BENIN HAS NEVER VISITED UNIBEN TALKLESS OF EKPOMA.. HE HAS NEVER VISITED EVEN THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE OR ANYBODY'S HOUSE.. HE IS THE OBA..

THE ONLY TIME HE HAS HONOURED AN INVITATION WAS WHEN HE WAS SUMMONED TO COURT IN A CASE INSTITUTED BY THE ESAMA OF BENIN (Igbinedion), AND HE TREKKED TO COURT FROM THE PALACE
FUN FACT: THE OBA DOES NOT USE CARS.. HE WALKS

SO MAYBE IT WAS Bob Izua or Tony Kabaka you saw at your convocation and you started thinking it was Oba

during your rag day, you didnt see Oba.. wait oo. rag day all the way from ekpoma?? una dey trek ooo
anyways, it wasnt Oba you saw.. not everyone gets an audience, not even when Buhari came last time..
so many ministers come around when in town, they are met by the Iyase or Isekhure

The Oba of Benin has visited Government House[s]
The Oba of Benin has fleet of cars that he use when he needs to move around

MayorofLagos:


Really?
Ordinary Niger bridge, a distance of 1.8km, and the gateway into your land, all five states put together no fit build. Meanwhile Fashola has used revenue taxed from your labor to erect a 1.8km bridge and then stationed a toll gate to further tax you as you ride the bridge to get to Lekki, where it is claimed Ibos own 80% of mansions.

Lol....you get mouth, but Yorubas got brains!

We shall make you a eternal labor slave in Lagos. You want to own Lekki? Come on and get it....go bring all your clan from village. ....but dont ever think of industrializing East, or you will anger our leaders, you dont want to upset Yoruba leaders.

I'm an Igbo guy...
I recieved a shock of my life after reading this...
You just taught me something...
I will keep remembering this very "statement" of yours...
Hmm, what a world?
But surely, the End justifies the means...
God bless you....

rexbuton:
Anioma: Igbo, Ijaw, Itsekiri, Urhobo, Isoko, Leave Us Alone!


I want to preface this write-up by emphatically stating that we are “Anioma,” our region can and should only be correctly referred to as “Anioma” and not “Western Igbos,” “Ika Igbos” or even “Delta Igbo,” all of which presage nothing but “fake Igbos.” Care should also be taken not to refer to us as “Delta North” as we have never heard of “Ebonyi East,” “Lagos North” or “Sokoto South” these derogatory and discriminatory references are threateningly tending to overshadow and send our prestigious name, Anioma to its early grave, so the proper usage of this name is of uttermost concern to me.



Contrary to prevailing circumstances and dilemma which relegate us to the background in Delta State and Igbo politics, such as poor representation in political affairs of the State, lack of amenities, ethnic identity crisis, deliberate marginalization, abandonment by our Igbo kiths and kin from the South East etc, we know we are still a great nation to reckon with. This write-up will therefore focus on the two factors which have been egregiously and heavily weighing down the Anioma ethnicity, and at best have prevented us from finding our bearing, how our Anioma region with innumerable associations, countless social groups, technocrats, political office holders, professionals of Anioma extraction, etc have contributed to the disgraceful predicament of the present state of the region.



The first and major issue of dilemma confronting this region is the problem of ethnic identity, the present state of the region weakened by abandonment and lack of vision has again raised the question on whether Anioma people are Igbo or not. This question has generated a lot of debates in the past and present, and will continue to do so even as it hampers growth and development in this region and presents us with nothing but pauperization. I make bold to comment that the attitude of the Igbo of South East to their Anioma counterparts have not really justified that Anioma are Igbo except on papers, and that if ever the people South East deem this necessary, they have always relied and ended such only with historical support and not more, however actions have failed to justify this.



Evidently the Igbo will always count on us to support the large population density of the entire Igbo nation by for instance stating that the Igbo are 40 million if a thorough and unbiased population census is organized in Nigeria but it does not go beyond this. An Igbo may also want to merely count on similar names existing between the Igbo and Anioma as a reason for justifying the Igboid relationship with both regions, but ask an Anioma just what he has gained from the South East; he looks at you endlessly and tells you “nothing.” We have been in this situation for long, so it is not in the least surprising. The Igbo are taught in school that the Igbo are only in South East, in this case what happen to others? It is for this reason that the phrase “core Igbo” exists in our dictionary today.



I am still racking my brain to remember the last time any Governor from the South Eastern part of the nation officially visited the Anioma region even if it is solidarity one. The place of issues bothering on Anioma is what is missing in Ohaneze Ndiigbo’s agenda, do we not know this? Interestingly, the Igbo have in some way been frustrating the race for the actualization of Anioma State because to them there is no reason why the State should emerge, this apparent when a committee headed by Chief Emmanuel Iwuanyanwu on State creation for the Igbo completely and arbitrarily ruled out the choice of Anioma State for the Igbo because according to them this could mean another State for the South-South geo-political region, but right senses accord us the knowledge that the emergence of Anioma State would make a sixth State for the South East, if the Igbo so desire it to be, Is Onitsha today a community within the South East not an Anioma community I ask? We may for certain reasons, clear or unclear ignore this but history will not because no one can turn back the hand of clock. An Anioma State would have been a full-fledged Igbo State for the Igbo, the great Chuba Okadigbo realized this before his death.



It is a fact that the Anioma people have never been in the agenda of the Igbo contrary to what an Igbo writer like Ogaranya Uju Nkwocha Afuleze tries to force down into

Long epistle....
What's your fear of being Igbo??
I can't speak 4 the Ikans...
But, as far as I'm concerned.. Asaba here is 100% Igbo and nothing less...

Bless you.,

Macelliot:

Long epistle....
What's your fear of being Igbo??
I can't speak 4 the Ikans...
But, as far as I'm concerned.. Asaba here is 100% Igbo and nothing less...

Bless you.,

Not a long epistle.. You should read more often!

rexbuton:

Not a long epistle.. You should read more often!

I read it...
The fact that you don't feel like being an Igbo doesn't mean others should follow suite...
You keep showing Similarities between Ika and BINI, But not between Ika and IGBO...
The Yorubas derive pleasure in the dis-intergration of the Igbos...
Apart from South-west, the Okun people of Kogi state are Yorubas... The Ilorin people(capital of kwara) are Yorubas...
Though, they(Okuns and ilorins) are in the northern regions... They have never doubted being Yorubas...
The FG wanted to make the Okun people a distinct ethnic group, but they declined it...

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I wanna ask a question...
Which ethnic group do the people of Asaba belongs to??

Macelliot:

I read it...
The fact that you don't feel like being an Igbo doesn't mean others should follow suite...
You keep showing Similarities between Ika and BINI, But not between Ika and IGBO...
The Yorubas derive pleasure in the dis-intergration of the Igbos...
Apart from South-west, the Okun people of Kogi state are Yorubas... The Ilorin people(capital of kwara) are Yorubas...
Though, they(Okuns and ilorins) are in the northern regions... They have never doubted being Yorubas...
The FG wanted to make the Okun people a distinct ethnic group, but they declined it...

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I wanna ask a question...
Which ethnic group do the people of Asaba belongs to??

All the yoruba fragment groups never claim they are yorubas or see it as a big thing.. The ikares, illajes, eguns, ijebus and all the others see demselves as who they are! They don't come out on Tv to claim lagos or ondo because of oil or any reasons.. But u guys transport urselves from the east and start claiming the midwest.. Easterners don't like ebonyi state d way dey like rivers and delta just because of oil! If u really love anioma why have u never supported their bid for anioma state? In all the fora that the issue has been discussed igbos distance themselves claiming that anioma state would be an extra southsouth state.. In the whole country no group is more befitting of a state than anioma, yet u all turn blind eyes and come round to claim dem as ur own

Macelliot:

I read it...
The fact that you don't feel like being an Igbo doesn't mean others should follow suite...
You keep showing Similarities between Ika and BINI, But not between Ika and IGBO...
The Yorubas derive pleasure in the dis-intergration of the Igbos...
Apart from South-west, the Okun people of Kogi state are Yorubas... The Ilorin people(capital of kwara) are Yorubas...
Though, they(Okuns and ilorins) are in the northern regions... They have never doubted being Yorubas...
The FG wanted to make the Okun people a distinct ethnic group, but they declined it...

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I wanna ask a question...
Which ethnic group do the people of Asaba belongs to??

There lot of similarities between ika and igbo.. In modern times no other tribe has had more influence on them than the igbos.. We all know this! But it doesn't change who they are.. Even if an agbor and igbanke man bears bini names and understands some bini, he is not a bini man.. Also he is not an igbo man either.. He is an agbor/igbanke man or better still he is an ika man.. He is a nigerian and brother to all.. There is even a greater semblance between the fulani and hausa and kanuri man.. They understand each other but are fundamentally different.. They are different ethnic groups.. So be more accommodating and less domineering

rexbuton:


There lot of similarities between ika and igbo.. In modern times no other tribe has had more influence on them than the igbos.. We all know this! But it doesn't change who they are.. Even if an agbor and igbanke man bears bini names and understands some bini, he is not a bini man.. Also he is not an igbo man either.. He is an agbor/igbanke man or better still he is an ika man.. He is a nigerian and brother to all.. There is even a greater semblance between the fulani and hausa and kanuri man.. They understand each other but are fundamentally different.. They are different ethnic groups.. So be more accommodating and less domineering

Even though, the title of the king of Agbor is "Obi" from time begin..
We all know that Anioma comprises of different dialects...
Which ethnic group do the people of Asaba belong?

Yeah you are correct. My boyfriend introduced himself to me as an IKA guy. Further Explaining that its a tribe on its own. That if because of the size of the Tivs now hausa now come and say tivs r hausas its wrong, even if the have slight similarities and are geographically in d north they are not the same. Same thing applies to the IKA's they are a tribe on their own. Like Yoruba, hausa, igbo, ijaw,ika etc like that.

rexbuton:


There lot of similarities between ika and igbo.. In modern times no other tribe has had more influence on them than the igbos.. We all know this! But it doesn't change who they are.. Even if an agbor and igbanke man bears bini names and understands some bini, he is not a bini man.. Also he is not an igbo man either.. He is an agbor/igbanke man or better still he is an ika man.. He is a nigerian and brother to all.. There is even a greater semblance between the fulani and hausa and kanuri man.. They understand each other but are fundamentally different.. They are different ethnic groups.. So be more accommodating and less domineering

rexbuton:


All the yoruba fragment groups never claim they are yorubas or see it as a big thing.. The ikares, illajes, eguns, ijebus and all the others see demselves as who they are! They don't come out on Tv to claim lagos or ondo because of oil or any reasons.. But u guys transport urselves from the east and start claiming the midwest.. Easterners don't like ebonyi state d way dey like rivers and delta just because of oil! If u really love anioma why have u never supported their bid for anioma state? In all the fora that the issue has been discussed igbos distance themselves claiming that anioma state would be an extra southsouth state.. In the whole country no group is more befitting of a state than anioma, yet u all turn blind eyes and come round to claim dem as ur own

Your case is a personnal issue...
Igbo didn't transport themselves...
Fact is that, the inhabitants are Igbos since time immemorial....

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No more arguement with you... That's your personal problem and doesn't represent the view of all...

Tears of pride at my Ika boys. Ewwwww!! Where were una when I wan marry, before one urhobo man snatched me, ehhh

But jokes apart, I don't get the modern Igbo stance. More than half of the people you are claiming (so far, on this thread they have mentioned my family and extended family) DO NOT wish to be associated and aligned with you. Why o why do you persist in such aggression?

That's like me leaving my hubby's house to be dragging over my neighbour who continually tells me he doesn't want me. Why? We respect the Igbo and wish them well, but DO NOT WANT TO BE ALIGNED WITH THEM OR CLAIM THEIR HERITAGE, how can that be a thorn in their flesh?

Even my FIL (an elderly man and a very old legal practioner) stated clearly that Ika aren't Igbo (and he handled cases in the area, h should know), so why all this wahala? My elderly mum said it was Ika when they came to Lagos that wanted to curry favour with Igbos, that started naming their kids with Igbo names, she swears she never grew up with any Amakas, Ifeanyis or Uches until after the Civil war (and she should know, she nearly ended up being an Ika Queen and her father was prominent). Ika names and last names are still found in Edo state, but I am yet to see one in the East.

@rexburton please one small point: you said owa/Agbor people claim descent from the East. That's not true as my grandmother passed away at 104 and I asked her this question and she was very clear the Agbor/Owa are NOT from the East. I choose to believe a woman who lived from that era than someone probably even younger than me.

But noooo. That is not enough for you. Please let us be, we have our own identity. Be assured, everyone respects you but enough of this claiming.

And where's that poster that put up proper Ika names, remind me to send you one very pretty Ika geh as reward. ; D

Also, which of you is from a prominent Ika family, let us betrothe our children now (because their papa is using style to try and marry them off to his Urhobo chiefs and I'm just giving him side-eye).

Onegai:
Tears of pride at my Ika boys. Ewwwww!! Where were una when I wan marry, before one urhobo man snatched me, ehhh

But jokes apart, I don't get the modern Igbo stance. More than half of the people you are claiming (so far, on this thread they have mentioned my family and extended family) DO NOT wish to be associated and aligned with you. Why o why do you persist in such aggression?

That's like me leaving my hubby's house to be dragging over my neighbour who continually tells me he doesn't want me. Why? We respect the Igbo and wish them well, but DO NOT WANT TO BE ALIGNED WITH THEM OR CLAIM THEIR HERITAGE, how can that be a thorn in their flesh?

Even my FIL (an elderly man and a very old legal practioner) stated clearly that Ika aren't Igbo (and he handled cases in the area, h should know), so why all this wahala? My elderly mum said it was Ika when they came to Lagos that wanted to curry favour with Igbos, that started naming their kids with Igbo names, she swears she never grew up with any Amakas, Ifeanyis or Uches until after the Civil war (and she should know, she nearly ended up being an Ika Queen and her father was prominent). Ika names and last names are still found in Edo state, but I am yet to see one in the East.

@rexburton please one small point: you said owa/Agbor people claim descent from the East. That's not true as my grandmother passed away at 104 and I asked her this question and she was very clear the Agbor/Owa are NOT from the East. I choose to believe a woman who lived from that era than someone probably even younger than me.

But noooo. That is not enough for you. Please let us be, we have our own identity. Be assured, everyone respects you but enough of this claiming.

And where's that poster that put up proper Ika names, remind me to send you one very pretty Ika geh as reward. ; D

Also, which of you is from a prominent Ika family, let us betrothe our children now (because their papa is using style to try and marry them off to his Urhobo chiefs and I'm just giving him side-eye).

I'm guessing you wrote the above for uninformed and less travelled readers.
For starters...on the issue of "We respect the Igbo and wish them well, but DO NOT WANT TO BE ALIGNED WITH THEM OR CLAIM THEIR HERITAGE"....
Ika heritage is ALREADY Igbo heritage through and through.
Your language and traditions bear that out.
Your governor from Owa is Dr. Ifeanyi Okowa...not Dr. Efosa Obaze.
Atleast I understand Igbo enough to know Okeke,Okafor,Okoli...all have the Oko prefix meaning "man of" or "man from". Okowa means "man from Owa" and that is a 100% Igbo name.
Ofcourse you're free to give me the alternative meaning.
A cursory survey of the names you bear across the length and breadth of Ika will reveal to anyone that they're Igbo names.
Except if you mean to tell me Okowa's father travelled to Lagos and in order to currry favour with the Igbos decided to swap their Bini names for Igbo names.
Same goes for all the Ikas who bear dual Bini/Igbo names like Nduka Obaigbena etc.

I think you lots should quit with all this identity crisis wahala...I don't remember at any time the Igbos collectively or individually ever begging anyone to bear their names or speak their language. The Igbos have no history of inter-ethnic warfare, colonization or tribal hegemony like the Binis, Yorubas, Nupes or Fulanis. You well know the majority of the Igbo clans abhor monarchies.
Even the monarchies in Ika apparently are borrowed from Bini with your "iyases" and "adas" etc.
They're not native to you. Cos what you have is still mixed with core Igbo customs and that has not changed.
You simply were influenced by Bini and borrowed a few lines from their heritage.
Ofcourse settlers must have come from Bini no doubt...but they are clearly in the "minute" minority.

Having said that, lemme bust a few of ur misrepresentations.
Recent history shows that Ojukwu never included Anioma in his secession bid...cos the Midwest was not under the control of the then Eastern Region. There was no "claiming of lands" or "attache by force" for oil purposes.
The focus of the then Eastern Region was on Ph which was the city Michael Okpara's administration focused all development activities on as a counterpart to Lagos.
Asaba, Ika, Agbor,Sapele,Warri never factored in to the plans or politics of the SE Igbos then.
When the Biafran forces invaded the Midwest...the commanding officers and administrators were all Midwest/Anioma sons.
Mind you the bulk of the instigators of the whole Biafran palava were Anioma sons and fought on the Biafran side.
They were neither forced nor coerced...neither did they tell the counter coup plotters the difference between them the "Ikas" from "Bini" and the SE Igbos whom they have nothing in common with.
The SE Igbos never came out to tell the world that it was the Ikas/Aniomas who murdered in cold blood the political leaders of other groups in an ill-advised coup.
If you know your history well, the Igbos had nothing to gain from that ill-advised venture. The bulk of the commissioned officers in the army were Igbos,Ironsi was the GOC, the Easter region was progressing,the Igbos had closed the education gap with the Yorubas...I could go on.
There was not anything the Igbos stood to gain...no "oil to claim", no "lands to attach to"...as then ALL the oil was in the Eastern Region.
The SE Igbos could have done it the way you're doing now and told the vengeful Northern and Western officers that all the Nzeogwus, Anukus, Okonwezes...all bearing Igbo names and speaking Igbo dialects were actually Bini people masquerading as Igbo people. That infact it was because of their trading with Igbos that they adopted Igbo names and traditions...that the Igbo dialect they speak was because the Igbos forced them to abandon their Edo tongue and all that...
Yet they and you all Ikas/Aniomas recognized your common heritage and slugged out the Biafran war together.

I asked these same questions in a related thread...
How come you Ikas and Aniomas speak Igbo?
Do you know the similarity between the Igbo spoken in Agbor and Owerri?
How come the SE Igbos "mistake" you for Igbos?
Why are you lots not bearing pure Bini names and practising pure Bini traditions?
Who did your mythological Bini forbears meet on ground when they "came" from Bini?
Lest I forget...if you are one of those who believe that a man name Eze Chime came from Bini and is a Bini man or that his name is now actually Ikhime...then I guess your inferiority complex needs divine intervention.

You lots should be proud of who you are.
On the flip side I've asked Igbos I know what the hullabaloo is all about and I was made to understand you lots are still suffering from post-civil war inferiority complex. Maybe they have a point...

Onegai:
Tears of pride at my Ika boys. Ewwwww!! Where were una when I wan marry, before one urhobo man snatched me, ehhh

But jokes apart, I don't get the modern Igbo stance. More than half of the people you are claiming (so far, on this thread they have mentioned my family and extended family) DO NOT wish to be associated and aligned with you. Why o why do you persist in such aggression?

That's like me leaving my hubby's house to be dragging over my neighbour who continually tells me he doesn't want me. Why? We respect the Igbo and wish them well, but DO NOT WANT TO BE ALIGNED WITH THEM OR CLAIM THEIR HERITAGE, how can that be a thorn in their flesh?

Even my FIL (an elderly man and a very old legal practioner) stated clearly that Ika aren't Igbo (and he handled cases in the area, h should know), so why all this wahala? My elderly mum said it was Ika when they came to Lagos that wanted to curry favour with Igbos, that started naming their kids with Igbo names, she swears she never grew up with any Amakas, Ifeanyis or Uches until after the Civil war (and she should know, she nearly ended up being an Ika Queen and her father was prominent). Ika names and last names are still found in Edo state, but I am yet to see one in the East.

@rexburton please one small point: you said owa/Agbor people claim descent from the East. That's not true as my grandmother passed away at 104 and I asked her this question and she was very clear the Agbor/Owa are NOT from the East. I choose to believe a woman who lived from that era than someone probably even younger than me.

But noooo. That is not enough for you. Please let us be, we have our own identity. Be assured, everyone respects you but enough of this claiming.

And where's that poster that put up proper Ika names, remind me to send you one very pretty Ika geh as reward. ; D

Also, which of you is from a prominent Ika family, let us betrothe our children now (because their papa is using style to try and marry them off to his Urhobo chiefs and I'm just giving him side-eye).

You sounds so aggresive...
Rexburton, I know that Ika and Ukwuani are distinct ethnic group... They have similarities with the Igbos..
My point is that, in ANIOMA, There are Igbo people apart from Ika and Ukwuanis...
Anioma comprises of the Igbo, Ika, and Ukwuani ethnic groups....
Thanks...

omojie:
1. ika is ika and it is different from the igbo nation , and i dont know what igbo people want to gain from trying to conscript ika people into igbo, i am ika and i dont ever want to be igbo , but if an igbo guy loves ika so much and all igbos want to be ika , then they are welcome.
2. the way igbo people talk about their tribe , is just a spark of ignorance , they talk as if igbo as an etrhnicity was formed by God , they do not even know that igbo ethnicity was put together by the british , just like any tribe is an amalgamation of people who think they share a common ethnicity and want to protect themselves politically . as for the ika people we cannot benefit any thing from an igbo union , and our fore fathers were never in any union with the igbos , we have resisted both the benins claim to own ika in 1930 and the igbo claims to ika in 1967 , during the civil war and that has ended the story .
3. ika people declared in 1930 to the british that ika is different ethnic group , different from any other in nigeria , end of story .and out of this resolve majority of ika people atleast about 98 percent of ika people believe in their ika ethnicity and so we have our onu-ika/ogua-ika as the highest socio-political organisation speaking for ika nation , just as ohaneze ndigbo speaks for igbo people.
4. ika is at the boundary of two major ethnicities which are edo and igbo , and as such is influenced by these two both in language and culture and this gave ika nation , its uniqueness.
5. our names , culture , tradition , beliefs , and language set us apart from the others or how else can you imagine that when the oba of benin is doing igue festival , the kings of agbor , owa , umunede and other ika areas are also performing same festival , when ikaba, ovia , idigun , idinwina and olokun is worshipped in benin , ika people two are bussy doing theirs ? then we also perform ikenga and do new yam festival of iwagi , but we also perform ogbanigbe and osiezi which is only performed by ika people , our kingship and titles are patterned after benin.
6. ika also retains some igbo culture like ikenga , new yam festival and worship of ali , these sets ika apart from others .
7. our people bear both igbo and benin names , but the benin names are usually our family names like osagie, omojie, omigie , osahon, obaigbena ,. irabor and the rest .we also bear ikenchuku , ifeanyi and the rest .
8. the oba of benin visits ika land quite often because the spiritual and ethnic link between ika and benin is still strong , the oba visited owa in 1992 , 1998 , 2009 , to perform some rites .owa kings still visit benin up till dates .
9. there are still some titles in agbor that you have to go to benin to get the chalk before you are given the title in agbor like ugbasogun of agbor title .
10. the reality today is that ika is a seperate ethnic group of its own and any body still dreaming of ika as being igbo is just performing an academic exercise which is wasteful , as of today there is not ika prominent person that belongs to ohaneze ndigbo meeting or speaks for or on behalf of igbos , but they speak for ika , even at the national conference ika was represented there .

We know that....
Ika is a distinct ethnic group so as Ukwuani.
My point is that, there are also Igbo group in Anioma apart from Ika and Ukwuani....
I mean Anioma comprises of Igbo, Ukwuani and Ika....