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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:00pm On May 30, 2015 |
tess1: These shows Rooney in the number 10. Is is not playing on same line as Hernadez or Welbeck or Bebertov. If one player is behind another, it's no longer 4-4-2. Moreso, even Association Football stated that there is no much difference between 4-4-2 and 4-4-1-1. I dont know why you guys going back and forth just because Rooney MUST be brought down. So do you want to say Sir Alex Ferguson was lying? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:02pm On May 30, 2015 |
tess1: These are all 4-4-1-1. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 7:02pm On May 30, 2015 |
elampiro:Toni is nowhere as good as Rooney. But fact remains he is the highest goal scorer in Serie A THIS SEASON(for his old age) |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Tval(m): 7:11pm On May 30, 2015 |
How are you manchester fans feeling? All the trophies to be won in England are in London. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 7:14pm On May 30, 2015 |
elampiro: elampiro: Even when your Almighty Zonal Marking's comments said they are 4 4 2? SMH This is one of Zonal Marking's comments: City crafted a clever first half advantage over United, then were rampant after half time. This comment was made as at January 2012 Maybe Zonal Markings is no longer reliable. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 7:15pm On May 30, 2015 |
elampiro:mr man stop spitting shit, rooney is no wia near luca toni, he has won the golden boot in different leagues.. He also brought palermo to the serie a after being the serie b top scorer, he was also awarded the european golden shoe award in 2006 with 30+ league goals (a feat wazza hasn't achieved and will never do it till his playing career comes to an end) he was also a joint top scorer in the uefa cup 2008, he has won the golden boot in more than 4 occasions (rooney never even smell one before) he's a LEGEND! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 7:15pm On May 30, 2015 |
tess1: elampiro is a fraud! carrick is far behind scholes but it's 4 for him. rooney is slightly behind berbatov.....mr elampawa feels they are not levelled so it's a 1-1. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:17pm On May 30, 2015 |
tess1: Zonal Marking tells you when it's 4-4-1-1 and when it's 4-4-2. It tells when it's 4-4-1-1 but looking like a 4-4-2 (twish) Look at the matches one after the other. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 7:19pm On May 30, 2015 |
elampiro: rooney played mostly in a 4-4-2 formation! stop making excuses for a useless striker that has one away league goal in 14 months. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:22pm On May 30, 2015 |
weedtaker: Let me use you guy's logic: How many goal does he average a season? Then how can you use Seria B as a measurement? Lastly, name the leagues you said he won different golden boots. Rooney has got into Ballon Dor best three forwards. Who is Toni? Rooney won the best player and golden boot in world club cup. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:24pm On May 30, 2015 |
coogar: Rooney played mostly in 4-4-1-1 He said this himself and SAF said this. You guys said he played as a second striker/support striker. Even if we were to accept that, that is still the number 10 position. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 7:24pm On May 30, 2015 |
elampiro: a competition of 2 matches? you have no shame at all. who reckons with CWC? how is it any different from community shield? elampiro: he didn't play mostly in 4-4-1-1. alex ferguson always used 4-4-2. it's his most preferred formation. just because a player is slightly behind the other does not split them. from that image, how come you are putting carrick & scholes in the same band? if scholes & carrick are in the same band, how come berba & rooney aren't in the same band? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:26pm On May 30, 2015 |
Now Arsenal won two trophies in three seasons withou Van Persie. Kai! They surely knew he was their bad luck blocking the route to the goal. A liability to a team that truly wants to win trophies. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:27pm On May 30, 2015 |
coogar: How can it be two matches when there were clubs that played 3 or 4 matches. Remember CR7 was there. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 7:28pm On May 30, 2015 |
elampiro: van persie has won the league title! it's the most prestigious trophy in england. who reckons with FA cup? why are the winners of the league title known as the english champions? 1 league title = 10 FA cups! elampiro: united played 2 games in that tournament! rooney's mates are winning golden boots on the league, champions league, euros & world cup and you are mentioning a competition the average football fan knows nothing of. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:30pm On May 30, 2015 |
coogar: Carrick is the sitting midfielder, the DM. Scholes the box to box who could move forward. This is simple tactics na. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 7:30pm On May 30, 2015 |
elampiro: so why isn't it 4-1-1-2-1-1? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:33pm On May 30, 2015 |
coogar: 1. o you can defend a player? Ukwu!!! Okay, let me just allow it go because RVP is our player. 2. Rooney is number 10, he musnt win the golden boot in the league. He won best three forwards in the world. He won the PFA player of the year. He finished 5th best footballer in the world. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 7:34pm On May 30, 2015 |
elampiro:Seriously?? RVP dat won EPL 10 months after leaving Arsenal. Why u dey talk like dis na?? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 7:34pm On May 30, 2015 |
elampiro: That is a FAT lie. From what i've read on Zonal Marking, it'll simply state if it is 4 4 1 1 or 4 4 2 2. This was essentially a very simple game – two fairly standard 4-4-2s doing battle. Manchester United’s problems in the centre of midfield can be considered on a wider scale, but this match primarily came down to two factors. That game was also similar in terms of being 4-4-2 v 4-4-2, and the formations, whilst not a crucial factor, were of importance – it meant Newcastle could close down United in midfield without fear of being passed around. It’s far easier to press 2 v 2 than 2 v 3. A lot of balls were won in standard defensive midfield positions, but there was also a willingness to press higher up. Those comments are also from Zonal Markings. I don't rely much on what Zonal Markings says over football tactics and formations over whoscored. Zonal markings only pick matches that they like. Unlike whoscored that analyse all matches throughout the season. I only went to Zonal Markings to pick all those formations because you've always been mentioning them as if they are the almighty of tactics and formation analysis. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:36pm On May 30, 2015 |
coogar: Alex Ferguson played mostly 4-4-1-1. He said he used Rooney behind the striker. Rooney himself said he played behind the striker. Carrick was our DM Scholes was our box to box. They didnt have same roles. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 7:36pm On May 30, 2015 |
elampiro: no... don't allow it to go. what can you say about RVP? nothing!
he mustn't win the golden boot & yet a winger won it for man utd? elampiro: exactly! they didn't have the same roles which means carrick, scholes & our wingers shouldn't have been grouped together as the second 4. if carrick, scholes & the wingers are all in the same band then logic follows rooney & berbatov must be in the same band. you have been exposed yet again. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 7:43pm On May 30, 2015 |
Pls! Wat on earth happened to Dortmund this season |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:43pm On May 30, 2015 |
tess1: You are the one telling lies. I stated that Zonal Marking states if it's 4-4-1-1. They have more 4-4-1-1 and even said United played 4-4-1-1 2011/2012 season. See below too: I may have to fetch more later. elampiro: elampiro: |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 7:50pm On May 30, 2015 |
@elampiro..... what formation did united play in moscow in the final of the 2008 champions league? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:52pm On May 30, 2015 |
coogar: Even whoscored and opta group all midfielder (central and wingers) together as 4. That is a standard on its own. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 7:56pm On May 30, 2015 |
elampiro: so why is rooney & berbatov not grouped on their own then? opta/whoscored already told us man utd played 4-4-2 formation 31 times in 11/12 season. what else are you arguing for? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by HARDDON: 7:57pm On May 30, 2015 |
I find it mos def difficult to bliv these wet pipes r United fans! Having all sorts of distinctive arguments And running this thread out of control,But at the end of it all, itz nothing But a hanging wire! WHY FIGHT AT ALL IF THERE LIES NO LOGICAL END? apart from slitting each other's throat like some loose guns from Arsenal , talk constructively n let this thread be informative! I, DON, hereby call this thread to order. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:01pm On May 30, 2015 |
tess1: You need to learn to use Zonal Marking. The above has the explanation below: ......................................................................... Man United 1-6 Man City City crafted a clever first half advantage over United, then were rampant after half time. Sir Alex Ferguson went with the 4-4-2ish shape he’s favoured this season (but moved away from last weekend at Liverpool). There was no Nemanja Vidic, nor Phil Jones at the back. Danny Welbeck was alongside Wayne Rooney. Roberto Mancini had to replace Nigel de Jong with Yaya Toure (though this might have contributed to the fluidity of his side), and used Mario Balotelli rather than Edin Dzeko as the main striker. City were the better side throughout the match, using the ball more efficiently in the final third and creating more opportunities. The scoreline of 6-1 overstates Mancini’s tactical triumph over Ferguson – three goals came in stoppage time, five came after Jonny Evans was sent off and the six came from ‘only’ seven shots on target. But that should not detract from the fact that Mancini got his decisions right, and City were by far the better side against a team who had previouly gone 19 home games without defeat. Formations Both managers opted for the more attacking of their two potential formations – both broadly in a 4-4-1-1 shape, rather than the defensive-minded 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 that Ferguson used at Liverpool and Mancini switched to against Villarreal. The result was a game that was much more open than previous Manchester derbies – remember the dreadful 0-0 at the City of Manchester Stadium when both used three central midfielders? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 8:08pm On May 30, 2015 |
elampiro:he won it with fiorentina and he won it wit bayern in his debut season with 24goals and scored upto 39goals in all competitions dat season. World club cup golden boot? Hahahahaha best player is not that bad though defenders like ramos won it.. But world club cup golden boot? Na wetin you wan take console urself and ur paddy rooney? At 38years someone finished a league campaign in one of the top 5 european leagues as their top scorer.. Mehn its an incredible feat to achieve. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:16pm On May 30, 2015 |
coogar: We were on this twice before. It should be postponed to another day. Let's not make this unending. I have lost two days of what was suppose to be a long weekend. Bring it up again. But remember SAF said something about the formation and I published it here recently, I think this year. He told papers what we played in the second half. coogar: The two upfront are the most targeted for analysis on their roles by pundits. Many formation charts however carelessly still group 4-4-1-1 together as 4-4-2. Why? It depends on the staff in charge of drawing the formation of certain clubs. Some have Kagawa as number 10 in their list, may be too Januzaj as a winger. May be they marked Ozil as number 10, Welbeck as a striker. So when Welbeck is taken to the wing and Ozil on the right wing and Ramsey in the hole, they miss their formation. If Januzaj is in the hole and Kagawa in the wing, they miss their formation. If Rooney is in the hole, they could mistke him as a second striker. However, second striker is still number 10. I think I want to end this argument. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 8:19pm On May 30, 2015 |
elampiro: That's what i said that if it's 4 4 1 1 they'll state it. They stated specifically that it's 4 4 1 1. But what you do is that you always choose the ones that aids your arguments. What about these two from Zonal Marking? Chelsea 2-1 Man Utd: second half turnaround Liverpool 3-1 Manchester United: Kuyt x 3 The same Zonal Marking made those comments without mentioning 4 4 1 1. Zonal marking cannot know more than whoscored. I don't know why i'll trust Zonal Marking which is a one-man's work more than whoscored that has so many feeds from a lot of experts and and is computer based. |
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