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shaybebaby:
What free pass? Who wants a man that is firing blanks, ignorant and looking to shift the responsibility of infertility on the woman?

Nobody. Go on and screen for male fertility if you must. Funny thing is that it will be women who will also protest more against this, they know that if such a demand were to be made mandatory before all marriages it would lend greater urgency to the demand that they should open up their past too.

Lol, I don't understand why you guys are even taking the topic serious to the point of wanting to start an argument.

It's simple really and I agree with the study, which is why I suggest these women on NL direct their husbands and brothers to read this thread....these are the people whose sperm count and overall fertility y'all should be bothered about, not strangers.

Nigerian population breakdown


0-14 years: 43.2% (male 39,151,304/female 37,353,737)
15-24 years: 19.3% (male 17,486,117/female 16,732,533)
25-54 years: 30.5% (male 27,697,644/female 26,285,816)
55-64 years: 3.9% (male 3,393,631/female 3,571,301)
65 years and over: 3.1% (male 2,621,845/female 2,861,826) (2014 est.)

The highlighted group above is most likely the population from which these studies are drawn

Rate of infertility ranges from 12-30% in subsaharan Africa
Out of that number how many know they are infertile
How many get tested?
A study spanning years at a fertility clinic in a teaching hospital of the males that presented for tests is valid as it can get and should be a true representation of the situation.
Anybody who knows anything about research work cannot argue with that

You can choose to make the SE study a representation of the SE Men and the SW study a representation of SW men
In either study, it is clear the men are just as culpable if not more in cases of infertility.

Lmao...

25-54 years: 30.5% (male 27,697,644/female 26,285,816)

Good to know that the husbands and brothers of most family section women fall within that age-range, please direct your frustrations to the appropriate quarters.

crackhaus:
Lmao...

25-54 years: 30.5% (male 27,697,644/female 26,285,816)

Good to know that the husbands and brothers of most family section women fall within that age-range, please direct your frustrations to the appropriate quarters.

My parents have a dozen grand kids and counting
Not our portion
Go and impregnate half a woman then come let's talk

[size=28pt]Study in NW Nigeria gives a different twist[/size]
In a society where most females there are married off as underaged virgins, most of the cases of infertility is from the women and secondary infertility rather than primary infertility accounts for most of it.
Could the women be getting infected frequently by STDs from their polygamous and poly amorous men?
Poor birth methods and untreated post partum infections after the first child,causing previously parous women to become infertile
The study in the NW is very interesting and adds a different twist to all this.

A total of 1,264 new gynecological cases were seen during the study period, and 198 infertile patients were evaluated. The prevalence of infertility was 15.7%. Primary infertility constituted 32.8%, while secondary infertility was 67.2%. Previous history of evidence of genital infection including lower abdominal pain (78.8%) and vaginal discharge (76.6%) were common.[size=28pt] Female gender-related causes of infertility accounted for 42.9%; male causes accounted for 19.7%[/size]. Both partners contributed to infertility in 16.7%, while no cause was found in 20 % of patients. Conclusion: The study shows a dominance of secondary infertility with probable genital tract infection being a major contributor. Early presentation and prompt treatments of genital tract infections may reduce the prevalence of infertility in the study population.

http://www.smjonline.org/article.asp?issn=1118-8561;year=2014;volume=17;issue=1;spage=7;epage=11;aulast=Panti

why do u always present facts to justify a point which you jwant to use to deceive

out of 1264 cases started with, only 198 cases of infertility were assessed

sample sizes...

read before you start cackling

babyosisi:
This is for all you males that insist that you need to check out and make sure your wives can conceive
Facts are sacred
Dinachi ,timbuktou,harveyspec cococandy,keppyy,jahblessme,bukatyne,apextitan,njokusboy,kilode100,4teelaw

The truth is that I do not blame men for their high standards; I blame women who think all a man needs to be a husband is his dick. It solely depends on the premium she has placed on herself...

A servant can wish for a queen (it is now left for the queen to. degrade hherself to the level of the servant ); not much blame can go to the servant.

We would not say because a queen managed a servant, a king should manage a servant too... it is his choice to choose a worthy bride or a queen.

If a woman knows the stuff she is made of and where she is going to, it would guide her choice of husband...

I am talking from reality here.

Also, What you believe in is What you get at the end.

Nobody has stopped the girls from carrying out all the tests too. If the guy would not bulge (,bad sign for me) and she is still willing to go on, What stops her from telling the Church/Mosque/parents to request for it?

So ladies
It has been proven beyond all reasonable ( and unreasonable doubts) that infertility in Nigeria is as much a man's fault as it is the woman's
Therefore any man wanting to subject you to rigorous tests to check out your fertility before or after marriage must be willing to do a simple fluid analysis tests for starters.

The childlessness may be his fault not yours
Many men and women in Nigeria are mean to childless women out of sheer ignorance

bukatyne:
The truth is that I do not blame men for their high standards; I blame women who think all a man needs to be a husband is his dick. It solely depends on the premium she has placed on herself...

A servant can wish for a queen (it is now left for the queen to. degrade hherself to the level of the servant ); not much blame can go to the servant.

We would not say because a queen managed a servant, a king should manage a servant too... it is his choice to choose a worthy bride or a queen.

If a woman knows the stuff she is made of and where she is going to, it would guide her choice of husband...

I am talking from reality here.

Also, What you believe in is What you get at the end.

Nobody has stopped the girls from carrying out all the tests too. If the guy would not bulge (,bad sign for me) and she is still willing to go on, What stops her from telling the Church/Mosque/parents to request for it?

This should be the standard but unfortunately society dictates the standard in many cases
We come from a society where sometimes the choice is not even the woman's to make and just as that choice was a collective one,her choice to stay or remain is also collective.
Believe me this thread has knocked and will knock many people's halos sideways because it varies with everything they ever believed
But I also assure you it won't change much about their actions tomorrow
That is how innate the problem is
The average man huffing and puffing about a barren wife after reading this thread will still be advised and will prefer to get a second wife in a case of infertility .

Anyway

pickabeau1:
why do u always present facts to justify a point which you want to use to deceive

out of 1264 cases started with, only 198 cases of infertility were assessed

sample sizes...

read before you start cackling

You mean like telling the story of how God instructed Samuel on how he could go about anointing David without Saul finding out, just to justify why a woman should hide her very colorful and shameful past?

as in..i tire

and these are the people some look up to... even in church

crackhaus:
You mean like telling the story of how God instructed Samuel on how he could go about anointing David without Saul finding out, just to justify why a woman should hide her very colorful and shameful past?

babyosisi:
This should be the standard but unfortunately society dictates the standard in many cases
We come from a society where sometimes the choice is not even the woman's to make and just as that choice was a collective one,her choice to stay or remain is also collective.
Believe me this thread has knocked and will knock many people's halos sideways because it varies with everything they ever believed
But I also assure you it won't change much about their actions tomorrow
That is how innate the problem is
The average man huffing and puffing about a barren wife after reading this thread will still be advised and will prefer to get a second wife in a case of infertility .

Anyway

Well people especially ladies have to decide If they want to live for the society or live for themselves

The society can only pressure one if you allow them to.

You know who you are, where you are going to and the rest is history

babyosisi:
All these men walking about with dead sperm pointing fingers at women and refusing to be tested
Your time is up

Choi!

I know this thread is a little painful for some
Please don't make it obvious
No derailments please

babyosisi:
Nigerian population breakdown


0-14 years: 43.2% (male 39,151,304/female 37,353,737)
15-24 years: 19.3% (male 17,486,117/female 16,732,533)
25-54 years: 30.5% (male 27,697,644/female 26,285,816)
55-64 years: 3.9% (male 3,393,631/female 3,571,301)
65 years and over: 3.1% (male 2,621,845/female 2,861,826) (2014 est.)

The highlighted group above is most likely the population from which these studies are drawn

Rate of infertility ranges from 12-30% in subsaharan Africa
Out of that number how many know they are infertile
How many get tested?
A study spanning years at a fertility clinic in a teaching hospital of the males that presented for tests is valid as it can get and should be a true representation of the situation.
Anybody who knows anything about research work cannot argue with that

You can choose to make the SE study a representation of the SE Men and the SW study a representation of SW men
In either study, it is clear the men are just as culpable if not more in cases of infertility.

I wonder where people got porky stories that women are more to justify polygamy

bukatyne:
Well people especially ladies have to decide If they want to live for the society or live for themselves

The society can only pressure one if you allow them to.

You know who you are, where you are going to and the rest is history

If you are married off at 13 and thrown out at 15 because you couldn't conceive what choice do you have in your predicament?
Do you know it is more kosher to accuse a woman of infertility than a man
Women whose husbands have problems with infertility would rather admit in public the problem is theirs than tell anyone their man is carrying akamu instead of se.men
It is a grave destruction of his manhood plus injury
To say that a man cannot give his wife belle
Ah
How can he survive such an accusation
If a woman with an infertile husband dares say it to an outside party and the man or his family hears it,they will deny it with all their might and that marriage may not survive that accusation
Nigerian men are not supposed to be infertile
It is a woman's problem
Nne this is not that easy o

pickabeau1:
as in..i tire

and these are the people some look up to... even in church

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man woman is king queen.

crackhaus:
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man woman is king queen.

LOL... when a religious bigot, a purveyor of deception in marriage and an avowed tribalist gives people advice on marriage
you can wonder what can come out of such..

Royalroy please come and take care of any derailments on this thread
Thank you

babyosisi:
If you are married off at 13 and thrown out at 15 because you couldn't conceive what choice do you have in your predicament?
Do you know it is more kosher to accuse a woman of infertility than a man
Women whose husbands have problems with infertility would rather admit the problem is theirs than tell anyone their man is carrying akamu instead of semen
Nne this is not that easy o

This is a different sneario; was focusing on consented relationshipa between adult and before marriage sef

Besides, that girl can still make something Good out of her life. It might just take her longer.

pickabeau1:
LOL... when a religious bigot, a purveyor of deception in marriage and an avowed tribalist gives people advice on marriage
you can wonder what can come out of such..

She's crying already and calling for help..


I totally agree with the study, she and every other woman here should please just show it to those men in their lives they really care about and not to strangers on the internet - RoyalRoy, I'm still on topic.

Okwa unu ahula ihe mere m jiri fu xynerise na-anya.

xynerise:
This shiit is beginning to sound dumb. A man's world when some women are the bread winner of the family? A man's world when some women beat up their husbands like a child? A man's world when some men don't know how to run a home and quit alcoholism? My friend, no one owns the world.

I do educate my friends who have the stereotypes that the women determine the sex of a child, the ability to be pregnant and all that silly craps. We need to reduce the burden, both emotional and physical burden we put on these women and face reality.

Don't go out smoking and making alcohol your best buddy and ignore the effect in future. Your village people who always blame the woman for everything should be flogged and show them 2015 calendar because they still look at 1900 calendar.

crackhaus:
She's crying already and calling for help..


I totally agree with the study, she and every other woman here should please just show it to those men in their lives they really care about and not to strangers on the internet - RoyalRoy, I'm still on topic.

bukatyne:
I wonder where people got porky stories that women are more to justify polygamy

That is another thread altogether
This tells you that most things we heard growing up were pure lies fabricated by men and forced on society

babyosisi:
That is another thread altogether
This tells you that most things we heard growing up were pure lies fabricated by men and forced on society

Why would God create women more than men and still expect monogamy

cococandy:


Okwa unu ahula ihe mere m jiri fu xynerise na-anya.

That is the danger of generalization
Shows you that for any two stupeed juvenile "men",there is one mature and intelligent one
Maybe the lack of virile spermatozoa has something to do with estrogen levels

It's a man's world, kill yourselves.

Let's see how Hilary Clinton becomes president even in the God-blessed-liberal and arguably egalitarian USofA.

bukatyne:
Why would God create women more than men and still expect monogamy

This is that link btw

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ni.html

The countries that are the most polygamous in the world( Arab countries) ,have 2:1 male / female ratio or close
That is another thread I say
The lies we have heard our entire lives being debunked

Your typical nairaland dude will deactivate first be accepting any fact that's not in his favor.
Leave the mathematicians

When I need help for calculus exams now, I won't find any of them


The habits that some men engage in which could prevent them from having kids or having healthy kids are so many that even without a survey one can rightfully gauge the proportion of men in a given area who are at risk.

Some don't even know that they need to give up drinking alcohol before trying to conceive to avoid producing weak sperm cells that may not fertilize the egg or if it does could put the child at some risk.
Drinking and smoking and partying around every weekend and sometimes during the week is kind of like a habit for many guys.
Sleeping around is not condemned amongst them.

Yet they will be the first to start looking at the woman's face when they get married and can't have kids even though some of them (the guys) spent their youth engaging in activities that's harmful to their reproductive health.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/oct/03/bmj-open-sperm-quality-alcohol-five-units-study-semen

Drinking just five units of alcohol every week could reduce the quality of a man’s sperm, new research suggests. And the more alcohol consumed, the weaker the quality of the sperm, the study found. Men of a reproductive age should be advised to steer clear of habitual drinking, the authors said

Jahblessme:
Sooo funny that all this mathematics and scrutiny of publishing and sample size number wasn't more debated when the thread was about Nigerian women being the greatest cheaters in the world or the one about 40% of dads not being the fathers of first borns.

Many don't know that placing a laptop on their laps exposes the balls to excess heat and can reduce sperm count over time.

Excess alcohol,cigarettes all can be culprits.
Even a guy with undescended testicle will join and blame wife.
Plenty refuse to go and get checked and the lady ends up running helter skelter till she falls into the hands of a sharp shooter pastor or those PH baby farmers.

TTC is very dicey and can even push a person to insanity if care is not taken.. Endless tests,depression, se x when u no get energy,ovulation spotting,ivf..its a very difficult cycle.

Oya birth only girls naaa,woman carry blame immediately.Upon all the education of who donates y chromosome,the woman is still blamed.

We have a long way to go shaa but we are getting there.
It starts with the ladies being able to speak up.We have a problem,WE are going for tests.Not woman we have a problem,you will go.for tests,15 girls did abortion for me in uni,it can't be my fault.



In other news,Linda ikeji blog carrying gist about one OSI Umenyiora who just married ex miss world 2011 a few days ago.Apparently had a gf who's been with him for ages exposed the texts he sent her last week. The man was saying they should continue but have to be more careful,he loves her,she has power over him and new wife..plenty plenty things..

Thank God women are no longer hiding these men.Leila's God is alive,make she do fast go for tests. Wonder what footing the marriage will continue on.Lagoon tinz.

Of course the blogger is blaming the 'mistress' conveniently forgetting who is engaged,who is making the vows and that the chick knew him from teetee.

The marriage will never ever be the same..sorry Leila

Na this kain guy de ask 'abortion' and se xual history question pass

Ladies shine ya eyes.

crackhaus:
It's a man's world, kill yourselves.

Let's see how Hilary Clinton becomes president even in the God-blessed-liberal and arguably egalitarian USofA.

i think she has a solid chance

the GOP have not even identified a candidate
the economy is doing better so the democrats are perceived as better economy managers at the moment
also there is a perception that since a black man has gotten there, maybe its a woman's turn