An2elect2:


Lol. Actually you have a wrong understanding of what the church is. Firstly, the church is not a corporate body that is area-bound but a group of persons. An assembly. A community of individuals is what makes up a church. When two or three of this people come together, we have a church.

They bible defines church as THEY not IT.

For examples,

Acts 5:11 , So great fear came upon all
the church and upon all who heard these
things.
Acts 8:1 , ...At that time a great
persecution arose against the church
which was at Jerusalem; and they were all
scattered...
Acts 8:3 , As for Saul, he made havoc of
the church, entering every house, and
dragging off men and women, committing
them to prison.
Acts 11:22 , Then news of these things
came to the ears of the church in
Jerusalem, and they sent out Barnabas to
go as far as Antioch.


Yes there are "churches" today founded by men but they do not believe like the early Christians, the early church and the few believers around today. They are man-made and hence operate like one. You don't expect otherwise, do you?

You can't see the church am talking about, doesn't mean (they) are not out there. These people are not extra ordinary people. They feel everything you feel, they don't have physical marks on them, they cry, they laugh, they fall sick, they lack, they abound, they die too. The only thing that sets them apart is Christ in them. Though dwelling in this world like every other person, they see themselves as foreigners because of the one in them. They are the church. They are the salt and the light of the world. The body of Christ. They don't usurp authority over one another, even though they have elders, pastors, teachers, they are still equal and see themselves as such.

This is the church Christ died for and promised to be with till the end of time.

I don't know why you asking me that, but there are some great Christian scholars made by God's grace. A few come to mind Charles Spurgeon, A.W Pink, Martin Lurther king (snr). What they taught and what they wrote had and is still having great positive influence in the Christian church today.

Typical ignorant protestant. First of all, your statement in bold is false!

Matt 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome [b]it

See what Jesus said about his Church?

Obviously you are reading a strange Bible...and your Church is not the one Jesus.

That's why you've been speaking heresy.

Secondly An2elect2,

The early Church could be physically found everywhere it was. That is why the apostles could write to them and visit them.

This your invisible secret church cult that was not referred to as "IT" in Matt 16...is not the Church of Jesus Christ.

An2elect2:


Lol. Actually you have a wrong understanding of what the church is. Firstly, the church is not a corporate body that is area-bound but a group of persons. An assembly. A community of individuals is what makes up a church. When two or three of this people come together, we have a church.

They bible defines church as THEY not IT.

For examples,

Acts 5:11 , So great fear came upon all
the church and upon all who heard these
things.
Acts 8:1 , ...At that time a great
persecution arose against the church
which was at Jerusalem; and they were all
scattered...
Acts 8:3 , As for Saul, he made havoc of
the church, entering every house, and
dragging off men and women, committing
them to prison.
Acts 11:22 , Then news of these things
came to the ears of the church in
Jerusalem, and they sent out Barnabas to
go as far as Antioch.


Yes there are "churches" today founded by men but they do not believe like the early Christians, the early church and the few believers around today. They are man-made and hence operate like one. You don't expect otherwise, do you?

You can't see the church am talking about, doesn't mean (they) are not out there. These people are not extra ordinary people. They feel everything you feel, they don't have physical marks on them, they cry, they laugh, they fall sick, they lack, they abound, they die too. The only thing that sets them apart is Christ in them. Though dwelling in this world like every other person, they see themselves as foreigners because of the one in them. They are the church. They are the salt and the light of the world. The body of Christ. They don't usurp authority over one another, even though they have elders, pastors, teachers, they are still equal and see themselves as such.

This is the church Christ died for and promised to be with till the end of time.

I don't know why you asking me that, but there are some great Christian scholars made by God's grace. A few come to mind Charles Spurgeon, A.W Pink, Martin Lurther king (snr). What they taught and what they wrote had and is still having great positive influence in the Christian church today.

lolz... Do you know why I like you... In your bid to form "sensibility", you are exposing the ignorant side of you....
You said the church is not a corporate body, but the names of the chrustians scholars you listed are all pastors in corporate body churches.

My broda Italo have done justice to your second point...

Thirdly, you talked about churches founded by men, but your examplary christian scholars that you listed are pastors in churches founded by men... So wat point are you driving at...


So in essence, baptist church, calvanist n co are the churches founded by Christ.... Churches that started in the 18th century....

just shaking my head....

Lastly, plz tell me where I can find this church, I want to join them...

An2elect2:


Lol. Actually you have a wrong understanding of what the church is. Firstly, the church is not a corporate body that is area-bound but a group of persons. An assembly. A community of individuals is what makes up a church. When two or three of this people come together, we have a church.

They bible defines church as THEY not IT.

For examples,

Acts 5:11 , So great fear came upon all
the church and upon all who heard these
things.
Acts 8:1 , ...At that time a great
persecution arose against the church
which was at Jerusalem; and they were all
scattered...
Acts 8:3 , As for Saul, he made havoc of
the church, entering every house, and
dragging off men and women, committing
them to prison.
Acts 11:22 , Then news of these things
came to the ears of the church in
Jerusalem, and they sent out Barnabas to
go as far as Antioch.


Yes there are "churches" today founded by men but they do not believe like the early Christians, the early church and the few believers around today. They are man-made and hence operate like one. You don't expect otherwise, do you?

You can't see the church am talking about, doesn't mean (they) are not out there. These people are not extra ordinary people. They feel everything you feel, they don't have physical marks on them, they cry, they laugh, they fall sick, they lack, they abound, they die too. The only thing that sets them apart is Christ in them. Though dwelling in this world like every other person, they see themselves as foreigners because of the one in them. They are the church. They are the salt and the light of the world. The body of Christ. They don't usurp authority over one another, even though they have elders, pastors, teachers, they are still equal and see themselves as such.

This is the church Christ died for and promised to be with till the end of time.

I don't know why you asking me that, but there are some great Christian scholars made by God's grace. A few come to mind Charles Spurgeon, A.W Pink, Martin Lurther king (snr). What they taught and what they wrote had and is still having great positive influence in the Christian church today.

OK,please inform us what the true teaching is on baptism and confirm that this is accepted by all these churches. at least we've got to know what to believe in.

italo:


And millions of 'non-denominational' one-man 'only-me-and-my-God' "churches?

Lol even Luther would be shocked by these non denominational me and my God churches. These are the fruits of sola scriptura and private interpretation of scripture. Yet they complain about papal infallibility which is found in scripture and sacred tradition when they are essentially their own magisterium and infallible popes.

An2elect2:


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I hope u hv not disappeared from here.... Cos this will mk it d 3rd time you will be doing so....
Still waiting for you...

onetrack:


There are now only about 150,000 Catholics in Russia--about 0.1% of the population

There are about 35,000 Catholics in Turkey, which includes ancient Byzantium/Constantinople--about 0.05% of the population

No doubt the Nazis persecuted Catholic organizations, but not because the Church opposed the Nazis. The Pope was quite anxious to come to an agreement with the Nazi government, as the Church had openly supported Fascist movements in Italy (Mussolini) and Spain (Franco); the Nazis had other ideas as they didn't really want any kind of rival organization with outside support. There is no evidence that the Church was inherently opposed to Nazi ideology.

it seems you didn't research on the nazi topic before posting.

There are continous publications of catholic bishops and conferences of catholic bishops against nazi ideology. Infact the jews thanked the church for supporting and rescueing them during the nazi regim.

Even more importantly the pope wrote an encyclical on the issue, the highest form of ordinary papal teaching is an encyclical. Usually all encyclicals are published in latin, but this one is actually in german not latin, it was smuggled in germany and read to the people on sundays, the mit brennender sorge.

Have a look.

[url]w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html[/url]

The hate for the Church is making some people to lose their sense of reasoning ....

Rich4god:
lolz... Do you know why I like you... In your bid to form "sensibility", you are exposing the ignorant side of you....
You said the church is not a corporate body, but the names of the chrustians scholars you listed are all pastors in corporate body churches.

My broda Italo have done justice to your second point...

Thirdly, you talked about churches founded by men, but your examplary christian scholars that you listed are pastors in churches founded by men... So wat point are you driving at...


So in essence, baptist church, calvanist n co are the churches founded by Christ.... Churches that started in the 18th century....

just shaking my head....

Lastly, plz tell me where I can find this church, I want to join them...

Do you twist people's posts to make them sound stupid?

What is a corporate body? and define how they Christian churches they pastored ran as corporate bodies.

italo:
Secondly An2elect2,

The early Church could be physically found everywhere it was. That is why the apostles could write to them and visit them.

This your invisible secret church cult that was not referred to as "IT" in Matt 16...is not the Church of Jesus Christ.

Please, if you care read my post again. Huh. A church is an assembly of human beings! lol and these human beings can meet anywhere to fellowship!!! in their homes, in a building, anywhere! These human beings are the church, not the building where they gather or the area where they meet! lol Did i say these human beings are invisible??

The apostles were writing to human beings not to their localities! lol

The church(Christians) at Galatia
The church(Christians) in Corinthians
The church(Christians) at Ephesus

not letter to Galatia for example. Even if this was used, we would understand it as Paul using figurative device/metonymy where something is not called by its name but by another it is associated with. lol

So your point is?? you didn't get?? (likely) or you are blinded by hatred for truth??(more likely)


@bolded What the hell? pls what is a church ?? according to the bible of course ?? Your catholic cult built on pagan idolatries? pls the last people i should be hearing what a church is, is from y'all idolaters. OKAY?
lol.

italo:


Typical ignorant protestant. First of all, your statement in bold is false!

Matt 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome [b]it

See what Jesus said about his Church?

Obviously you are reading a strange Bible...and your Church is not the one Jesus.

That's why you've been speaking heresy.

Are you alright?

Pls do tell me how Matthew 16 defines a church, which is the body of Christ as IT or a thing??

Are Christians not the church

An2elect2:


Do you twist people's posts to make them sound stupid?

What is a corporate body? and define how they Christian churches they pastored ran as corporate bodies.

From your previous write up you said "the church is not a corporate body that is area bond".... Now your great Christian scholars are pastors in churches that is bound by area... So its ur words that am using to expose your ignorance and not that am twisting it...

An2elect2:



@bolded What the hell? pls what is a church ?? according to the bible of course ?? Your catholic cult built on pagan idolatries? pls the last people i should be hearing what a church is, is from y'all idolaters. OKAY?
lol.

It is this same idolaters that selected the books of the bible you use... They were the ones that changed the worship day from sat to sun... They protected the Christian race against jihadists... And right now, the idolaters are still the number one voice world wide trying to protect the sanctity of life and marriage... Just like the case if Ireland... Yet, the so called christians that call us idolators have chosen to remain silent... Now am wondering if that your church only have mouth when its time to bash the Catholic Church...

An2elect2:


Are you alright?

I am. You're the one who is not alright...

...because you said "Church" was never referred to as "IT."

Meanwhile Jesus said: Matt 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

So you are reading a Bible that is not alright...and following a church cult that is not alright.

following!! this topic go sweet die am so following it!

Ubenedictus:


it seems you didn't research on the nazi topic before posting.

There are continous publications of catholic bishops and conferences of catholic bishops against nazi ideology. Infact the jews thanked the church for supporting and rescueing them during the nazi regim.

Even more importantly the pope wrote an encyclical on the issue, the highest form of ordinary papal teaching is an encyclical. Usually all encyclicals are published in latin, but this one is actually in german not latin, it was smuggled in germany and read to the people on sundays, the mit brennender sorge.

Have a look.

[url]w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html[/url]

Once again, the encyclical comes out of breaches of the Reichskonkordat by the Nazi party, and not in reaction to antisemitism or nazi ideology, except it issues a mild criticism of the way that the Nazis glorified race. If the Nazis had not started to turn against the Church, the Pope would not have issued that encyclical.

An2elect2:

hope you are not trying to apply you trademark....

Rich4god:
hope you are not trying to apply you trademark....

am not trying to run, hey. I have told you the necessaries, but you have stubbornly refused to see; you and your brothers. Arguing with you has proven counterproductive many times. I can only pray for you guys. Thank you.

onetrack:


Once again, the encyclical comes out of breaches of the Reichskonkordat by the Nazi party, and not in reaction to antisemitism or nazi ideology, except it issues a mild criticism of the way that the Nazis glorified race. If the Nazis had not started to turn against the Church, the Pope would not have issued that encyclical.

first you claim the church never comdemned nazi ideology, now i showed you an encyclical where the pope condemned ideas of superior race, national religion and several other nazi ideology and your excuse is that he was responding to persecution and it was mild.

Really?

The catholic church on directions from the pope was busy hiding jews and catholic bishop conferences were condemning the nazis and your defence is that it was mild.

Well done.

An2elect2:


am not trying to run, hey. I have told you the necessaries, but you have stubbornly refused to see; you and your brothers. Arguing with you has proven counterproductive many times. I can only pray for you guys. Thank you.

lolz.... Typical of your trademark... Keep playing defence mechanism... What are the necessaries that you told... Cos I didnt see any thing... Mind you, we never argued. Am only trying to get cleared on the things you said on this thread....


I will keep counting them for you...
Next time don't say things that you can't defend...

onetrack:


Once again, the encyclical comes out of breaches of the Reichskonkordat by the Nazi party, and not in reaction to antisemitism or nazi ideology, except it issues a mild criticism of the way that the Nazis glorified race. If the Nazis had not started to turn against the Church, the Pope would not have issued that encyclical.

And you know this how?

italo:

I am. You're the one who is not alright...

...because you said "Church" was never referred to as "IT."

Meanwhile Jesus said: Matt 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

So you are reading a Bible that is not alright...and following a church cult that is not alright.

an2elect2 u ask if the above poster is alright

Rich4god:
lolz.... Typical of your trademark... Keep playing defence mechanism... What are the necessaries that you told... Cos I didnt see any thing... Mind you, we never argued. Am only trying to get cleared on the things you said on this thread....


I will keep counting them for you...
Next time don't say things that you can't defend...

so this is nt the first time she is using this mechenism and yet en no go shutup en mouth for what she does nt want to understand

vest:
so this is nt the first time she is using this mechenism and yet en no go shutup en mouth for what she does nt want to understand

lolz... That's why I was following her up... I really want her to know her mistake with regards to church history....