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elampiro:
I am not blaming SAF. But did he always have this same back room staff all these years? Because of players that got to retire quickly and those who lost form massively. Anderson would mark you and disposses you, then run forward with the ball. etc Now all gone.

If I am to blame SAF, it's has to do with his transfer policy.

Debroslink:
I can't wait to see United in UCL with the likes of Young, Feliani, Old Carrick, Overrated Rooney. I doubt if you guys will pass the group stage if there are no upgrades.

Debroslink:
I can't wait to see United in UCL with the likes of Young, Feliani, Old Carrick, Overrated Rooney. I doubt if you guys will pass the group stage if there are no upgrades.

SailorXY:
ogbeni e lo sun jare una don win, we know!

Tval:
.. What of emenike? don't you like him?

SailorXY:
elampiro won't mind all that pawa upfront tho, his combo with Fellaini could be ~brutal~

coogar:
LVG's brand of football is made for european games. we would get found out in the KO stage though but the group games would be too easy.

we need an upgrade - we are a money making machine now. mediocre players should be a thing of the past. we should start signing the cream players.

Keky:
Group games would be too easy? With the new seeding system, hell no.

coogar:
it would be easy for united.... i dunno about the team you support.

elampiro:
1. Why are we changing an entire team within two years despite having a world class coach?

2. It's possible SAF didnt always have the entire backroom staff all these years. Perhaps there was one or two new recruits that brought their style and spoilt everything.

SailorXY:
I'll agree if you're implying the standard steadily declined & was heavily declining in the last 2-3 years of SAF reign, even tho he managed to coin out some period of magic.

elampiro:
I saw them in calabash.

Seriously, don't you see Chicha looking drilled in Madrid? His face is becoming hard and he moves more energetically.

StarBoard:
you haven't answered my question. And even if (2) were true, how did a lazy team beat chelsea, city and liverpool AWAY before December in 2012/13? forget your theory of slim wins.

StarBoard:
hernandez was looking to be picked up on a permanent basis by Real.
Hernandez face has nothing to do with anything. He has always had the quickness. he was always being brought in as a sub. Fergie tried to use him as an impact sub in the ole solksjaer mode but he got tired of that role.

are you also implying that Real are using drill style as well?
bro drop this argument. you don't have enough evidence to reach the conclusion you are standing upon

chrisley024:
GAITAN ANNOUNCEMENT IMMINENT?

Manchester United will be announcing the arrival of Nicolas Gaitan “in the coming hours”, according to the Metro.

The paper says reports in Portugal are claiming the Benfica midfielder has agreed terms with Louis van Gaal’s side, with Nani reportedly going the other way.


If true then they take lefty swear for LvG

elampiro:
I think it was Carrick or Rooney who gave an interview recently that SAF was not directly involved in teams physical training. He said Gaal is so much involved personally in training.

I read it that SAF delegated his trainings and gave free hand. It's possible therefore that there has been a drop in standard with change of personnel handling the first team training.

elampiro:
We were just lucky to have gotten the wins over Chelsea and City. We were completely dominated, even when Chelsea were playing with less men, they looked more dangerous.
We were second to Chelsea and City in SAF last two seasons. At Old Trafford we lost to both teams.

StarBoard:
we could afford to lose to City at oldvtrafford because before kick off we were 12 clear with about 7 games to go.
we lost to chelsea at home after the league had been sewn up and fergie was in retirement mode.

trust me if Fergie needed a result against any of the two sides at OT he would get them.

Furthermore we won the league in 2012/13,Fergies last season with United.
2011/12 we finished second on goal difference behind City.
2009/10 we finished behind Chelsea by just a point.
check your facts on the emboldened.

BOTTOMLINE we beat both chelsea and city AWAY in his last season and won the league with nearly a month to go before seasons ending.Add Liverpool to that list and you realize that that side was hardly lazy. 3 points is what matters inbthe end. you should know by now that there are no prizes for playing good football.

elampiro:
When City beat us 6-1 at Old Trafford, Fergie did not need a result?

From 2011/2012 season, we were being dominated by City and Chelsea in play. We we got results against them, it was just luck. Gaal has changed ever thing back to the way it used to be. We could say this time, Chelsea were the lucky team.

StarBoard:
Fergie was always present during trainings. he may not have coordinated them but he oversaw them.
I do not want to believe Fergie would tolerate laziness by any standards. Fergie is known to drop or even sell players based on his percieved view of their commitment to the club in terms of their desire and ambition. how then would someone who is known for that during his entire career tolerate a dip in standards?

the free hands he gave were to his assistants.

elampiro:
Exactly. He gave the assistance free hands to coordinate physical training of the first team. May be they messed it up. The players fitness dropped over time without anyone realizing it. Before 2011/12 season, middle table teams just come to Old Trafford to surrender. Just to mark the register. Their attempts at goals were few. By 2012/2013, even though we won the league easily at the end, we were not comfortably dominating games at Old Trafford. Small teams felt they could threaten us and get something out. Some even took the lead against us. The technicality was there but we could not match the fitness and quickness of such teams like Everton, Tottenham, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle. Remember, Fergie was already old, the tendency to leave out so much for the assistant can not be ruled out for an old man.



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StarBoard:
10th game of the season and Fergie needs a result?

please you are just typing.

I wrote that post in the context of winning the title as regards the closing fixtures in 2012/13.if you dont get the point then there is no need to extend the argument. You still are yet to convince me how our side was in decline during Fergie s final seasons despite having backroom staff that encouraged laziness.

2011/12 vs Chelsea we scored 6 goals over two ties. how is that luck?

I dont have coogar's type of patience or time to be drawing out arguments for the sake of it.

please prove how laziness on the part of Fergies backroom staff in his last seasons made us less succesful. No need for gerrymandering and roundabouting abeg.

StarBoard:
copy and paste in effect but I digress.

still waiting for the answer to my question: how did a lazy weak team win the league by 13 points in 2013?

tess1:
Different coaches with different training system/methods. As far as i understand, no coach will ever drop his training standard because that is a recipe for failure. So also, no coach will condone laziness by any of his players.

Why will a coach change training system/methods that is giving him results? There can only be modifications here and there.

It is only normal for a new coach to change what he met at a club if it doesn't align with his own training methods and that doesn't mean the previous coach's method was not up to standard.

Winning some games by 1 goal margin doesn't mean the team was lazy. Man Utd are used to winning that way. What about Chelsea winning this season with about eleven games with one goal margin? Does that mean they too are lazy?

elampiro:
You question doesn't address anything. The fact remains that we are changing 90% of our players. Is that not to tell something was wrong in the management of the players?

StarBoard:
We've had 3 managers since Fergie left.
Isnt it obvious that players come and go but the club remains?

How many players did Jose Mourinho meet from his first stint when he returned to the club?


you claimed Juventus got to the final of the ucl by training very hard. (I dont know of any club in Europe that has soft training sessions) and wrote us off by proclaiming us lazy.

if you cannot answer why a club won the league easily despite your assertion that they were being pampered and spoiled then you have nothing to say im sorry.