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tess1:
Different coaches with different training system/methods. As far as i understand, no coach will ever drop his training standard because that is a recipe for failure. So also, no coach will condone laziness by any of his players.
Why will a coach change training system/methods that is giving him results? There can only be modifications here and there.
It is only normal for a new coach to change what he met at a club if it doesn't align with his own training methods and that doesn't mean the previous coach's method was not up to standard.
Winning some games by 1 goal margin doesn't mean the team was lazy. Man Utd are used to winning that way. What about Chelsea winning this season with about eleven games with one goal margin? Does that mean they too are lazy?

elampiro:
We had a change of hands in the assistant coach. So the style and system would automatically change. The result might be that the players muscles will be getting weak year in year out if the training became too soft. I wouldnt also know if there were other changes in medical team as to affect players fitness when coming out of injuries.

In 2007/8 we won many games 1-0, 2-1. But we dominated those games such that the oppositions only played to reduce the goals they came to concede. Most times we went in front first. This is different from when a middle table team dominate us and we only got away with our superior ability to create a clear cut chance or superiority in finishing a chance.

elampiro:
Four years after Mourniho left, Terry, Mikel, Ashley Cole, Drogba, Maluoda, were beating all the teams in Europe and won the Champions league. Some other players like Alex, who left out of issues are still first team players for their clubs.

Two years after SAF left, all our players are going into early retirement. Many can't smell first team football in Man United.

Abeg, how else can one be lazy? Very clear.

Happy Sunday.

tess1:
Changing of assistant coach doesn't necessarily means that SAF will then will change his training system/methods. The new assistant coach will still have to plan his coaching sessions according to the cub's established standards.

Not dominating games wasn't training method's problem. Rather, it was a personnel problem. It was the usual midfield problem that's still affecting the club till today. The players who were supposed to take over from Scholes didn't live up to expectations.

I could remember at the start of the 2010/11 season when Ando and Cleverly were on fire before they faced some injury crises, this issue of not dominating wasn't there.

elampiro:
Four years after Mourniho left, Lampard, Terry, Mikel, Ashley Cole, Drogba, Maluoda, were beating all the teams in Europe and won the Champions league. Some other players like Alex, who left out of issues are still first team players for their clubs.

Two years after SAF left, all our players are going into early retirement. Many can't smell first team football in Man United.

Abeg, how else can one be lazy? Very clear.

Happy Sunday.

StarBoard:
megedefegede
answer me directly.
how many players did jose meet in his secondstint from his original squad?
the same players you mentioned couldnt stop united and its lazy players from dominating the local scene.

And who are the players going into early retirement?

youre not making any sense to this. You're just yarning for the sake of it.


please tell us how lazy players won nearly a half-dozen league titles in 7 years and stop rigmarolling.

elampiro:
You are only interested in prolonging this. Your points are aimless.

I asked a simple question, why are we changing a whole team just two years down? You brought Mourinho. Same Mourinho whose boys were still the pillars of Chelsea four years down the line, and they won the Champions League.

Abeg lets leave the argument.

tess1:
How many players retired? As far as i know it's only Scholes that retired then. Giggs was still a player-assistant coach. Vidic and Evra moved for their personal reasons.
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tess1:
I can even tell you that the whole team was over-trained by Moyes and this affected a lot of younger players.

elampiro:
What now happened to Anderson and Cleverley?

tess1:
[b]How many players retired?[/b]As far as i know it's only Scholes that retired then. Giggs was still a player-assistant coach. Vidic and Evra moved for their personal reasons.

I can even tell you that the whole team was over-trained by Moyes and this affected a lot of younger players.

elampiro:
Four years after Mourniho left, Lampard, Terry, Mikel, Ashley Cole, Drogba, Maluoda, were beating all the teams in Europe and won the Champions league.

Two years after SAF left, all our players are going into early retirement. Many can't smell first team football in Man United.

Abeg, how else can one be lazy? Very clear.

Happy Sunday.

parrotibaba:
Ryan giggs no play ball till he was 41? is evra not benching asamoh n padoin currently at Juventus? has vidic retired? Fletcher nko? Carrick? O'Shea? Brown? where is Ashley Cole now? sitting on Roma's bench ,Malouda? Essien? Kalou? bosingwa? Calvaho? How many years d moaninho stay at Chelsea during his first stint ,no be four? how many did SAF stay in united during dis various players united career? from 2003-2013 is it not 10 years?

tess1:
For Ando it was injury crisis. He has a long list of injury crisis from his days at Porto. It is only a fit player that can be in form.

For Cleverley, Moyes over-trained him and also affected him with his negative football. We can see that in his performances at Aston Villa this season.

Moyes destroyed a lot of our players with his hard training method and negative playing style that eroded their confidence. At a point Fellaini complained about the intensity of his training. That is a player that he brought from his former club who knew his training methods from Everton. That alone speaks a lot of over-training.

parrotibaba:
Elampiro we hv been dominated by small teams in d past n still win in d end or salvage a last gasp draw ,we hv won matches with 1-0 ,2-1 deficits in d past ,we hv been trashed in d past ,u think say na today de start to d thrash us? in '09 a certain Fulham thrashed us 3-0 ,in '06 we were trailing Blackburn 4-0 b4 ruud scored a hat trick ...were we lazy den? or u just want to start another baseless argument?

StarBoard:
as long as players are not carrying cement in training (apology to raumdeuter) united players are lazy.
Fergie doesnt need that to produce winners but woe betide you if you missed or came late to the supposed lazy training.

elampiro:
How many are still around?You didnt get the logic. Anderson, Nani, Cleverley, etc. Even the ones still around, everyone is shouting, bench them, bench them. Sell them bring new ones.


Moyes is long gone. Gaal has been around for a year plus now. Gaal is not even interested in such players like Nani, Rafael, Evans, Celverley. I doubt if he even wants Chicharito. You see these players just got weak.

tess1:
For Ando it was injury crisis. He has a long list of injury crisis from his days at Porto. It is only a fit player that can be in form.

For Cleverley, Moyes over-trained him and also affected him with his negative football. We can see that in his performances at Aston Villa this season.

Moyes destroyed a lot of our players with his hard training method and negative playing style that eroded their confidence. At a point Fellaini complained about the intensity of his training. That is a player that he brought from his former club who knew his training methods from Everton. That alone speaks a lot of over-training.

elampiro:
What now happened to Anderson and Cleverley?

parrotibaba:
Ryan giggs no play ball till he was 41? is evra not benching asamoh n padoin currently at Juventus? has vidic retired? Fletcher nko? Carrick? O'Shea? Brown? where is Ashley Cole now? sitting on Roma's bench ,Malouda? Essien? Kalou? bosingwa? Calvaho? How many years d moaninho stay at Chelsea during his first stint ,no be four? how many did SAF stay in united during dis various players united career? from 2003-2013 is it not 10 years?

elampiro:
Even Barca and Madrid do lose matches. Same with BAYERN.

I know what I am saying. I have already addressed this. Those days, United would lose and you will say we were unlucky because we dominated completely. Or you say, it was a bad day. You can be sure we will win the next set of matches. From 2012/13, we will win and still express our dissatisfaction about the performance.

In 2007/8, teams had no options than to park the bus against us, then eventually they fell to pressure and we got slim wins. If we were winning 1-0 at 60 minutes, it would almost be certain it was wrapped up. When oppositions take over possession, the way JS Park, Rooney, Tevez will commence their chase, they will almost voluntarily surrender the ball.

elampiro:
We are talking about players getting weak from 2012 down. Not 1990-2008

elampiro:
We are talking about players getting weak from 2012 down. Not 1990-2008

elampiro:
Moyes did not destroy anything. Everton players are fitter than ours.

Fellaini revealed: 'I have a problem with the intensity of the training because I am playing with big players. It is quicker than at Everton. But I am happy. I like the game and I like to play.'

He wrote: “Moyes’s innovations mostly led to negativity and confusion. The biggest confusion was over how he wanted us to move the ball forward. Some players felt they kicked the ball long more than at any time in their career.

“Sometimes our main tactic was the long, high, diagonal cross. It was embarrassing. In one home game against Fulham we had 81 crosses! I was thinking, why are we doing this? Andy Carroll doesn’t play for us!

“The whole approach was alien. Other times Moyes wanted lots of passing. He’d say: 'Today I want us to have 600 passes in the game. Last week it was only 400’. Who cares? I’d rather score five goals from 10 passes.”

Ferdinand said the former Everton manager brought the mentality of a small club to Old Trafford. The former England defender listed a series of gripes which he claimed demonstrated why Moyes was unsuitable to manage the country's most successful team.

Chief among these was Moyes' decision to ban the players' regular meal of low-fat chips the night before games. Ferdinand says that upon hearing of Moyes' sacking, another player's first reaction was to declare this an opportunity to have the chips restored.

Ferdinand also said the squad was "destabilised" by being asked by Moyes to take 10-minute team walks on the mornings of matches, and frustrated by Moyes ending Sir Alex Ferguson's tradition of playing a small-sided training matches on Fridays. Moyes instead wanted his players to play a two-touch match.

Ferdinand revealed he wanted to "scream and grab" Moyes after being told he would not feature against Munich, which he said was the lowest point of his United career and the moment when he realised his time at the club was coming to an end.

Ferdinand discloses details of a meeting with Moyes called to discuss defensive issues with Nemanja Vidic. Ferdinand said he and Vidic left the meeting exchanging baffled looks and asking each other in obscene language whether they had any idea what Moyes had been saying to them.

The player also speculated that Moyes did not have the management skills to cope with the size of the United squad, citing Javier Hernandez as a peripheral player who only became unhappy at United after Moyes took over. He claimed Moyes spent far too long concentrating on the qualities of opponents.

He had a reputation as a hands-on coach who pushed his players hard in training. According to Phil Neville, who played for Moyes at Everton, players sometimes ran so hard in preseason training that they vomited. “The Horse Shoe” was a Moyes preseason institution. Neville describes it as “a series of sharp runs that cover distances between 100 meters and 300 meters and there is barely any time to catch your breath in between. By the time you are on your eighth sprint, your legs feel like jelly and buckle, while your lungs are burning. The manager, meanwhile, simply laughs as you collapse.” Phil Neville

tess1:
At a point Moyes himself agreed to have over-trained RVP.

coogar:
elampawa is just talking nonsense.....
stop taking him serious - he's a troll(paid by the admin) to start controversies that would generate more clicks on this section.

moyes was a failure!
his methods, training regime, fitness routines, etc were all criticised by the players. moyes is a reactive manager. he concentrates on what the opponents would do.....he never strategises on what his own team should do.

StarBoard:
its not even about Moyes.

its the silly notion that United players were encouraged to be lazy by backroom staff under Fergie's watch that is actually annoying me.no names of the said staff.
he then went on to clsim that Juventus were in the cl final because of an implied comment Evra made. Forgetting thst the same Juve were knocked out at the group stages last season.
we have asked how lazy players lost the league on goal difference in one season but managed to win the league by 13 points the next season. no response.

coogar:
i dunno why you are surprised.
mr pawa told us fergie hid rooney from gerrard because gerrard always shackles rooney.