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| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 12:12am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Syncan:What on earth are you raving on about? she was saying s-h-i-t all over the place and so I called her MizPoo, simple take your medication or whatever, accuser. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 12:26am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Syncan:You hear and you don't understand, that's obvious. And at the bold, is the son not from everlasting??? He is but Mary didn't give birth to him there Scripture:"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold,a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel" Isaiah 7:14and around and around in circles you go with the same things over and over again Truly, Mary didn't give birth to mighty God, He was Mighty God before He was born a man, in fact He was mighty God from Everlasting. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 12:57am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Syncan:Anas09 is right, the great harlot of revelation does sound like the rcc Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. rcc bishops and cardinals are arrayed in scarlet and purple colour a golden cup is used by rcc to contain wafers which they say when blessed is the actual body of Christ, Haha that's from voodoo land and can ceretinally be called "full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication" Syn: My Faith! My Pride!@bold, you have plenty of that. Pro_8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. 1Jn_2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. Not of the Father, and of course how could the false accuser be? Syn, is a good handle for you. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 1:34am On Jun 07, 2015 |
The rc prayer Hail Mary is wrong where it says "Holy Mary Mother of God" God is the Father of Jesus Christ and so lodgically Jesus Christ is God's son accordingly Mary gave birth to the Son of God, just like the scriptures say, syn does not believe those scriptures and unlike the Bible writers syn say's Mary gave birth to God, and he is blind to the truth. Syn is a good name for you, sounds like you. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Nobody: 7:31am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Seun, Lalasticlala, do the needful |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Syncan(m): 8:05am On Jun 07, 2015 |
johnw74:Stop telling lies here. Her post is there for all to see, and so is yours. (Prov 19:9)- A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Syncan(m): 8:24am On Jun 07, 2015 |
johnw74:Beloved, am I winding you up? Sorry, but I have to tell the truth at all times. Yes my faith is my Pride. Pride is not always negative you know, I am glad to be teaching you a lot here. Here are some scripture quotes for you. "We are not trying to commend ourselves to you again, but are giving you an opportunity to take pride in us, so that you can answer those who take pride in what is seen rather than in what is in the heart...2 Cor. 5:12 "I have spoken to you with great frankness; I take great pride in you. I am greatly encouraged; in all our troubles my joy knows no bounds"...2 Cor. 7:4 "Therefore show these men the proof of your love and the reason for our pride in you, so that the churches can see it."...2Cor 8:24 1 Like |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Syncan(m): 8:37am On Jun 07, 2015 |
johnw74:What you fail to understand is that your mother is your mother naturally because she bore you in her womb and gave birth to you into this earth. She did not bring you into existence, for before you were formed in your mother's womb scripture says that God already knew who you are. "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you...," Jer.1:5 So it doesn't matter if Jesus who is God existed before coming into the womb of Mary. As far as she bore Him who is God in her womb, and gave birth to Him who is God (and was worshipped) at bethlehem, her son is God and she is the Mother. She is the Mother of God. 1 Like |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by btoks: 9:00am On Jun 07, 2015 |
johnw74:On sighting Mary,Elizabeth said in Luke 1:43 -Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?’ And look at 1 Corinthians 8:5 - Yet to us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist These refute your claim that the Hail Mary prayer is wrong on Mary being mother of God.. Once again please read the council of Ephesus declarations,this issue has been long addressed. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 9:10am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Syncan:What I said is perfectly true, but you are so confused. johnw74: My answer doesn't clarify that at all.Syn mocks because Syn doesn't understand. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 9:13am On Jun 07, 2015 |
BADNEAT:if those moderators are rc then they may ban me it appears rc can't stand the Truth |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 9:17am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Syncan:Ha ha, the ugly rc quote whatever posts you are talking about so we can know too, accuser |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 9:25am On Jun 07, 2015*. Modified: 10:53am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Syncan:@bold It's very obvious that pride of yours is the puffed up type, and so self righteous ... "I am glad to be teaching you a lot here" |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 9:36am On Jun 07, 2015*. Modified: 10:51am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Syncan:@bold, Truly God has no mother, you disbelieve the scripture saying Jesus is the Son of God, you disbelieve the scripture where God said Jesus is His Son you disbelieve the scripture where the Angel told Mary she was to give birth to the Son of God. You disbelieve scripture, you oppose the Truth, you falsely accuse etc. etc. etc. that shows the spirit in you. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 9:58am On Jun 07, 2015*. Modified: 10:20am On Jun 07, 2015 |
btoks:You take one or two scriptures and think that proves Mary gave birth to God even when God Himself said This is my beloved Son and when the Angel said to Mary He shall be called the Son of God. I anyway, don't pray to dead saints, but directly to God in me there is no need for anyone to intercede on my behalf the prayers of those who pray to Mary are not heard. Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 10:23am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Jesus said He is the Son of God: Joh_10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? Mar_1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; Luk_1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. God (the Word) lowered Himself and became man Mary gave birth to that man, not to God who already exists There are many verses in the Bible showing that Mary gave birth to the Son of God There is not one single verse saying that Mary gave birth to God because most everyone know that God was never born, He has no beginning. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 10:36am On Jun 07, 2015 |
God's Word speaking of rcc: 1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. The rcc used to forbid priests to marry, it may still be so the rcc used to command to abstain from meats on fridays |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 10:39am On Jun 07, 2015 |
The accusers lies, the foul mouth of Syn: Syn: Why do you like to tell liesRev_12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Syn is just like that accuser |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 10:45am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Syncan:There is that puffed up pride again, coupled with self righteousness and lies |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Syncan(m): 11:08am On Jun 07, 2015 |
johnw74:Beloved, why are you so agitated? Going through my posts in different threads and showing your annoyance, trying to derail threads were I've posted in, importing some of my posts irrelevant to this thread and responding to them, leaving the subject matter and attacking my handle, all because I am enlightening you on the word of God. No wonder Scripture says: "For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart". Heb.4:12. You're obviously not at peace, but only "the truth shall set you free" Jn 8:32. Peace be with you, as am done with you on this. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by italo: 11:24am On Jun 07, 2015 |
"A wise man once told me don't argue with fools, cos people from a distance can't tell who is who"--Jay Z. That advice is for Syncan. 1 Like |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Syncan(m): 2:27pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
italo:Thanks bro, I have already made known to those that seek in truth and in spirit, what they need to know. Indeed the scripture had said it all: "He who corrects a scoffer gets dishonor for himself, And he who reproves a wicked man gets insults for himself. Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you, Reprove a wise man and he will love you" Prov.9:7-8. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by MizJanet(f): 2:57pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
johnw74:Jesus born by his mother Mary, Is God ? yes OR no . |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 12:00am On Jun 08, 2015 |
MizJanet:I'm not going to discuss matters of the Bible with you an atheist, who will accuse of lies etc like rc does, ask another atheist. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 12:11am On Jun 08, 2015 |
Syncan:That puffed up prideful spirit is always with you. Where are the quotes of all these lies you keep accusing me off? When I became a Christian many moons ago, I put away lying as Christians do, but with your continued accusing of lying, it shows that lies are still a part of you, and so you think that others are the same. You think God doesn't know about your false accusations, that He doesn't see it, or your insults, or your wrong use of His scriptures against a believer. You will find out that He does see. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 12:15am On Jun 08, 2015 |
Because Jesus is God, and Mary gave birth to Jesus, rc blindly say that Mary gave birth to God, even though Jesus was God from Everlasting. God lowered Himself and became man, the man that Mary gave birth too. The Word of God tells us that God was not born, but is from everlasting, rc say God was born. The bible says Mary's child is the Son of God, rc say Mary gave birth to God, and all because their prayer "Hail Mary" to a dead saint say's so. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 12:30am On Jun 08, 2015 |
On Mary being the Mother of God and more. Is Mary the Mother of God? by Moisés Pinedo Catholics have recited the “Hail Mary” prayer for many years. It includes the words, “Holy Mary, Mother of God.” These words represent one of the most treasured doctrines of Catholicism. In A.D. 431, the Council of Ephesus proclaimed Mary “to be the mother of God because God the Word took flesh and became man and from his very conception united to himself the temple he took from her” (“Formula of Union...” n.d.). One of the arguments used extensively to support this doctrine is presented as follows: (1) Mary was the mother of Jesus; (2) Jesus is God; (3) therefore, Mary is the “Mother of God.” This syllogism may seem logical, but the conclusion is superficial. Consider the following. First, although the Bible documents that Mary became the mother of Jesus and clearly teaches that Jesus is God, it never states, or even implies, that Mary was (or is) the “Mother of God.” For a theological syllogism to explain correctly the relationship between Mary and God, it must be based on biblical truth. We can propose correctly that (1) Jesus is God (Hebrews 1:8 (2) God became flesh (John 1:1,14); (3) therefore, Mary is the mother of Jesus according to the flesh (Romans 9:5), i.e., Jesus’ physical body. Second, we should keep in mind that Deity is not constituted by a literal family—with fathers, mothers, sons, and daughters—like some of the gods of Greek and Roman mythology. Although we refer to the first and second Persons of the Godhead as the Father and the Son, these titles do not denote a literal familial bond, but emphasize Their united and divine nature. To refer to Mary as the “Mother of God” is to misunderstand the nature of Deity and misapply Scripture. Third, consider the consequences which develop from such an inappropriate use of the syllogism aforementioned. Since the Bible records that Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit (Matthew 1:18), Catholics conclude that it is correct to refer to Mary as “the daughter of God the Father, Mother of Jesus Christ, and true spouse of the Holy Spirit” (Peffley, n.d., p. 3). If the Holy Spirit is Mary’s “husband” (and, therefore, Jesus’ “father”), and Jesus is God, would not the Holy Spirit be the “father” of God? This is not only a completely erroneous application of Scripture, but also blasphemous theology. Now let us consider some additional evidence from the Bible that further explains Mary’s relationship to God. God does not have a physical mother. Speaking to the Son, the Father declared, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever” (Hebrews 1:8, emp. added). In God’s revelation to the apostle John, the resurrected Christ said, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,...who is and who was and who is to come” (Revelation 1:8, emp. added). The Son did not have a beginning; He is the Beginning. “He was in the beginning with God” (John 1:1-2). Paul pointed out, “He is before all things, and in Him all things consist” (Colossians 1:17, emp. added). The Son’s existence did not begin with His conception in Mary’s womb. He was alive in eternity (cf. Micah 5:2), and, at the right time in history, He became flesh (John 1:1,14). Paul put it this way: “But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law” (Galatians 4:4). On the other hand, Mary came into a time-bound world long after the creation of the Universe. She, like all human beings, was not eternal. She was not divine, not “from everlasting to everlasting” (Micah 5:2). She could not have provided an eternal nature to her Son. He is Deity. He is the “eternally blessed God” (Romans 9:5). Consider how Jesus explained His divine nature. When addressing the Pharisees, He asked them: “‘What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?’ They said to Him, ‘The son of David.’ He said to them, ‘How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord’.... If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?’” (Matthew 22:42-45, emp. added). The Pharisees failed to answer the question correctly because they were thinking about the physical nature of the Messiah. While Christ was a physical descendant of David (cf. Luke 1:32; Matthew 1:1), according to His divine nature He did not have a physical father, since He Himself is before all (John 8:58). In the same way that David could not be the father of the divine Messiah since he called Him “Lord,” Mary cannot be the “Mother of God” since she calls Him “Lord” in Luke 1:38,46-47. The truth is, as Paul explains, “according to the flesh, Christ came” through the patriarchs, David, and, yes, Mary, but according to His deity, He is the “eternally blessed God” who is over all (Romans 9:5, emp. added). Mary never was considered the “Mother of God. There is not a single verse in the Bible that describes Mary as the “Mother of God.” In fact, none of the inspired writers of either the Old or New Testament gave even a hint that she should be regarded as such. This idea is based purely on human tradition. Mary considered herself as a “maidservant of the Lord” (Luke 1:38, emp. added) and considered God as her “Savior” (Luke 1:47). Sadly, many have distorted this concept. When speaking about the blessing of being chosen by God to be the mother of the Messiah, Mary declared: “For He [God] has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant” (Luke 1:48, emp. added). Certainly the words “lowly state” would be inappropriate to refer to Mary if she is the “Mother of God.” W.E. Vine has noted that the Greek word for “lowly state” is tapeinosis, which denotes “abasement, humiliation, or low estate” (1966, 3:23). Mary was conscious of the humble state of her human condition. Additionally, the New Testament makes it very clear Who became flesh. It was God Who took on the form of a man (John 1:14) and was born of a woman (Galatians 4:4). The woman did not become “divine” in order to conceive the Son of God. The Bible mentions Mary as the mother of Jesus, but never as the “Mother of God” (cf. Mark 3:31; Luke 8:19; Acts 1:14; et al.). Mary never was worshipped as the “Mother of God. Catholics worship Mary, claiming that she has “divine maternity” (“Dogmatic Constitution...,” 1964, 8.3). But if Mary is to be worshipped as the “Mother of God,” we should expect to find a biblical command to do so, or a biblical example of approved action. However, such commands and examples are nowhere to be found. From the first moment Mary appears in the biblical record, there is no indication of her being the object of worship of any kind. When God’s angel announced to Mary that she would give birth to the Messiah, the heavenly messenger did not worship her (Luke 1:26-38). The shepherds, who came to the stable, praised God—not Mary—for what they had witnessed (Luke 2:16-20). Later, the wise men came to a house and “saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him” (Matthew 2:11, emp. added)—not Mary. Simeon and Anna, who had waited their entire lives for the Messiah, recognized Jesus as the One sent by God. They did not offer any special acknowledgement or praise to Mary (Luke 2:21-38). Additionally, Jesus’ disciples never gave Mary any preeminence during their gatherings, much less worshipped her as the “Mother of God” (cf. Acts 1:14-26). When Mary asked for Jesus’ help at the wedding in Cana, He said, “Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me?” (John 2:4, emp. added). He used the word “woman” not in a derogatory way but as an expression of respect and affection (cf. Matthew 15:28; John 19:26; 20:15; Lyons, 2004). He may have used “woman” instead of “mother” to emphasize that “in his calling Jesus knows no mother or earthly relative, [but] he is their Lord and Savior as well as of all men” (Lenski, 1961, p. 189). Jesus made it clear that Mary had no preeminence among His followers or before God. On one occasion, “He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, ‘Here are My mother and My brothers!’” (Matthew 12:49, emp. added). Jesus wanted His disciples to understand that anyone who believed in Him and obeyed the will of the Father would be blessed as part of His family. But He did not say that any member of that family was worthy of worship or adoration. Another incident in Jesus’ ministry is worth mentioning. While Jesus was teaching the multitudes, “a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, ‘Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!’” (Luke 11:27). Jesus responded, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it” (11:28, emp. added). Again, Jesus made it clear that there was nothing about Mary that elevated her above anyone else who heard the Word of God and obeyed it. Jesus Himself taught us not to consider His mother as the “Mother of God,” a person to be worshipped. The title “Mother of God” is unbiblical, as are other titles given to Mary, such as “Mother of the Church,” “Mother of Mercy, Life, Gentleness, and Hope,” “Door to Heaven,” etc. Worship directed toward her (or any other mere human being), rather than to Almighty God, not only denigrates appreciation and respect for Deity, but also leads further into apostasy. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 5:48am On Jun 08, 2015 |
italo: italo:And the devil can have you pray to a dead saint the devil can make you believe the communion wafer is the actual body of Christ the devil can have you pray before statues the devil can have you believe the pope (a man) is infallable the devil can have you believe that priests can forgive your sins the devil can have you believe repeatedly praying to a dead saint is not a sign of a heathen plus so much more. A person who believes and does those things, could be considered a fool. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by italo: 7:47am On Jun 08, 2015 |
Syncan:Indeed! |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by MizJanet(f): 8:26am On Jun 08, 2015 |
johnw74:
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| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by btoks: 11:43pm On Jun 08, 2015 |
johnw74:I notice how you conveniently avoided addressing the verses but state that I've based the teaching one or two verses. Firstly,How many verses will do?Secondly, the teaching is based on more than those verses. It's up to you if you don't pray to saints,it's not compulsory within the CC anyway, it is however encouraged that we pray for one another - see 1tim2:1 Saints are more alive than you or I are,how else could they offer our prayers in Rev 5:8? Vain repetition is not about repeating same words but not praying from the heart. While it's possible to pray the rosary vainly,(or any protestant prayer for that matter),it's meant to be prayed meditating on the mysteries of Christ .we see several examples of repetitions in the scriptures - e.g.plasm 136, Rev 4:8. I've stated before that you require guidance to understand the scriptures, so that you see things in proper historical context not some novel interpretations. |
| Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by btoks: 12:13am On Jun 09, 2015 |
johnw74:So I take it you're 2015's CC attacker . others came before but have largely given up. I'll recommend that you please study the CC teachings Well before you post. - I've explained in my previous post about praying to saints. - Christianity from inception has believed the consecrated bread to be the body of Jesus Christ. Please see 1cor 10:16 (The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?) -what is your understanding of the pope being infallible?as CC teaches that pope is only infallible when teaching faith and morals to the whole church in defined circumstances. (Pls see matt 16:19[i] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."  [/i]-on priests forgiving sins (please see John 20:22) God bless |
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