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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 5:32pm On Jun 13, 2015
AdeLaNa1:
The fastest players from this season
I dnt read meaning into all these stats as they are basically useless to how we performed or the position we finished the season in.So are u telling me realistically that Wayne Rooney and Ashley Young make up the list of fastest epl plauers?The same Wayne Rooney is hetting slower and slower by the day?I guess I see differently bt no chance on earth Rooney is wat dt stats say he is
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 6:45pm On Jun 13, 2015
Kemizee:
I dnt read meaning into all these stats as they are basically useless to how we performed or the position we finished the season in.So are u telling me realistically that Wayne Rooney and Ashley Young make up the list of fastest epl plauers?The same Wayne Rooney is hetting slower and slower by the day?I guess I see differently bt no chance on earth Rooney is wat dt stats say he is
Its just mere stats of the United players who ran the fastest in those matches. Those stats mean nothing really! We all know Valencia and Di Maria are the fastest players in the team.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 7:02pm On Jun 13, 2015
I'm not sure the price on Kane's head should worth considerations from any serious management.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by iheanyi40(m): 7:05pm On Jun 13, 2015
elrony:
the club officials are probably monitoring the DDG situation me thinks... a back up plan woulda probably been in place too!!


meanwhile I need go do medicals for United... I want that Chevy!!!! lol

cheesy cheesy cheesy
chevrolet gave him d car 4 signing 4 us cos em r our sponsor ? Choi c beta car
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 9:43pm On Jun 13, 2015
SailorXY:
I'm not sure the price on Kane's head should worth considerations from any serious management.
if he can replicate this season's performance onward, it's a good buy. But we know brits and their flashy onetime performance.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:38pm On Jun 13, 2015
Someone can not even play wit Germany again.....
7-0?? Its just qualifiers na
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 6:47am On Jun 14, 2015
Manchester United will step up their bid to land Ajax’s Jasper Cillessen to replace David De Gea on the advice of goalkeeping coach Frans Hoek.


I thought as much. So we want to end it with this GK huh
LvG wants to turn United into Netherland national team
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 6:56am On Jun 14, 2015
Comrades, how was di maria's performance last night? And what was nicolas otamendi doing at the back, when those paraguay amigos came 4rm 2-0 down to draw 2-2 angry
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 8:43am On Jun 14, 2015
chrisley024:
if he can replicate this season's performance onward, it's a good buy. But we know brits and their flashy onetime performance.
IF
that's not the kind of amount you pay for IFs, we talking 50+ mils in Mama Charlie style bro cool
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 8:48am On Jun 14, 2015
weedtaker:
Comrades, how was di maria's performance last night? And what was nicolas otamendi doing at the back, when those paraguay amigos came 4rm 2-0 down to draw 2-2 angry
they were both on top of their game. I didn't even concentrate on the game but they were easy to spot, especially di Maria! he got the PK & created late chances for Tevez & Messi, both failed to convert.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 11:14am On Jun 14, 2015
chrisley024:
Manchester United will step up their bid to land Ajax’s Jasper Cillessen to replace David De Gea on the advice of goalkeeping coach Frans Hoek.


I thought as much. So we want to end it with this GK huh
LvG wants to turn United into Netherland national team
Buhahahha....lmao @ "Netherlands national team" cheesy grin

who do u suggest we buy to replace DDG?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 11:18am On Jun 14, 2015
We should just go n get back CR7 na....
£60m + DDG cheesy grin
lol
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 11:27am On Jun 14, 2015
elrony:
Buhahahha....lmao @ "Netherlands national team" cheesy grin

who do u suggest we buy to replace DDG?
Cech!
We shouldn't not allow Arsenal have him
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 11:31am On Jun 14, 2015
SailorXY:
IF
that's not the kind of amount you pay for IFs, we talking 50+ mils in Mama Charlie style bro cool
fact is there's no good striker available and we know how the market is especially when it comes to United buying.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 11:41am On Jun 14, 2015
chrisley024:
Cech!
We shouldn't not allow Arsenal have him
but the okada man says he wants to remain in London with his Fam...#major_factor...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by bxg(m): 11:44am On Jun 14, 2015
What do you guys think of Oblak Athletico Madrid Gk
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 11:52am On Jun 14, 2015
bxg:
What do you guys think of Oblak Athletico Madrid Gk
he's a good prospect tho, might make another DDG from him someday.. buh LVG no dey look dat side.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 11:56am On Jun 14, 2015
Memphis Depay was unveiled as a Manchester United player on Friday afternoon after signing for the club at the beginning of May.

The BBC has reported that the 21-year-old winger has set United back £31 million, which makes him the third most expensive player in the club’s history. While England’s most expensive club has always been seen as a big spender, their transfer kitty has been dwarfed by the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City over the past decade.

In the 10 years between 2003-04 and 2013-14, Chelsea have spent £924 million on players, Manchester City spent £796 million and Liverpool spent £608 million. In that same period of time, United spent £594 million. If we are to look at net spend instead, before Liverpool fans get too upset, Chelsea are still the biggest spenders with £571 million, followed by City on £568 million, then United on £309 million and Liverpool on £237 million.

United have been limited by the Glazer take over in 2005, yet still managed to win more Premier League titles than any other club since then. In that time, they have spent close to £700 million on interest fees, bank charges and debt repayments.

What is interesting though, since the departure of Sir Alex Ferguson and the arrival of David Moyes, then Louis van Gaal, is that United have become massively involved in the transfer market. It makes you wonder what Ferguson could have won if he had spent the money the club has since he left.

When looking at United’s most expensive players of all time, six of the top 10 have all been purchased by Moyes of Van Gaal. Angel di Maria is currently the British transfer record signing, followed by Juan Mata, then Memphis Depay. Dimitar Berbatov and Rio Ferdinand were Ferguson purchases, then below them is Ander Herrera, Juan Sebastian Veron, Marouane Fellaini, Wayne Rooney and Luke Shaw.

Robin van Persie cast doubts over his future last week when talking about the competition for places he may face next season. ‘United spent £200m on players last year and they are going to spend another £200m this
summer so we will have a team that can compete for the title,’ he said.

The debt still stands at £380 million but it stands to reason that the more successful United are, the easier it will be to generate money. Having relied on the excellence of Ferguson to remain successful in the past, the Glazers have now loosened the purse strings to
ensure there’s never another disaster like the 2013-14 season. Have rival supporters started to wonder what
United’s spending power might look like when the debt has been paid off?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 12:09pm On Jun 14, 2015
chrisley024:
fact is there's no good striker available and we know how the market is especially when it comes to United buying.
& if it happens he's fluke, we turn out the bigger fools.

there are better experienced strikers that money will buy. Aguero will cost just about the same.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 12:43pm On Jun 14, 2015
For twenty years, almost every Manchester United fan could describe the perfect Fergie signing; young, talented and with scope for improvement. But it is high time this should stop. Signings like Wayne Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo are the perfect examples of how United can develop talented youngsters into world class players but there is something fundamentally wrong with this approach. It was for these reasons I was adamantly against the signing of Luke Shaw last season, and I am also against any proposed signing of Harry Kane this summer.

The first problem is that spending north of £30m on any player under the age of 23 is a huge risk; regardless of how supremely talented these players are, there is no guarantee that early impressive trajectories will follow that trend when they reach their more mature years. The majority footballing prodigies tend to be early peakers. They present the illusion of endless possibilities, only to be overtaken by players who develop at a slower but more consistent pace. One must remember that for every Cristiano there is a Nani and a Bebe, for every Messi there is a Bojan Krkic and a Pedro… not all bad players but not worth anywhere near the millions that could be spent on them. And it is in this example where United have got it completely wrong and Barcelona have got it right. Where United take risks signing players like these three for big money, Barcelona bring their young players through the ranks. Where you could argue for that the example provided each of the clubs saw one success (Cristiano and Messi) and two (relative) failures, one club spent millions on their failures and the other spent nothing. Another point that comes hand in hand with this one is the affinity that these players have with the club that developed them. Whilst Messi is Argentinean and not from Barcelona, he has developed his whole career there, he grew up there, it is his club. Cristiano is not a son of Manchester, and thus playing for Manchester United was never his dream. So after all the hopes of developing one of the best players in the world was finally realised, United lost him at his peak, whilst Barcelona still enjoy Messi.

‘But United do bring youth through!’ I hear you cry, and
yes they do, but what opportunities do these players
truly get to turn into world class talent? Try to think of
the youth products that got a real chance to break into
the first team over the last 10 years. Fletcher, Welbeck,
Januzaj, Evans, Brown, O’Shea? There are not too many
more who can claim to have come through our academy
and have more than 15 league games per season.
Furthermore, all of these players to some degree were
asked to play in different positions when breaking
through rather than being given the opportunity to
develop their expertise in one particular position. It’s a
scattergun approach to development in directopposition
to the sniper like approach our club used to have. Not
since Gary Neville, Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt, Ryan Giggs
and David Beckham have we had a youngster come
through and be clearly defined as a right back, central
midfielder, winger or any other position. Why is this?
The second problem is that prospective youth players
paths are blocked to the first team. The old adage is
that if you are good enough you are old enough, but it is
not practically true at United, there is also a simple
case of economics to adhere to. When United spend
£17m on Phil Jones and £12m on Chris Smalling,
talented but unproven youngsters, to come in as backup
to first teamers Ferdinand and Vidic, it sends a message
to any would be youth products. They simply cannot
break through into the first team. If a choice is to be
made between giving valuable developmental minutes to a youngster, the ones who cost the club millions will
always take priority over the ones that cost nothing.

Only this week Tom Thorpe was axed from a club he
loves, a club he has been with for years, for what? The
answer is because Sir Alex Ferguson took a decision to
buy two talented but expensive youngsters that play in
that position a few years earlier; talent that has been
unfulfilled, as pointed out earlier. Now United have a
surplus of players in central defence, none of which is
good enough to lace the boots of their predecessors.
Tom Thorpe, Tyler Blackett, Paddy McNair may not ever
have worked at Manchester United, in the same way
that Jonny Evans has not fulfilled his early hopes, but
at least United didn’t fork out millions upon millions of
pounds for them that could have been invested in
readymade talent. Buying potential is all well and good
but United fans need to remember that that is all it is.
Potential. Potential gives you no guarantees, as we have
seen with Nani, Anderson, Jones, Smalling, Bebe, Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Obertan, Bellion, Diouf, Dong, Manucho and the list continues. I accept the notion that spending big money on star names also doesn’t always work out, as we saw to some degree with Diego Forlan, Juan Veron and thus far with Angel Di Maria, but Manchester United’s major failings on players that cost more than £25m are scarce in comparison to the failed youngsters they have brought in from other clubs.

Furthermore, these star players had a history before
United so the club are guaranteed some sell on value
with this kind of player, with United accumulating decent
transfer fees for the likes of Veron in the past despite
his difficult time in Manchester.
Imagine for a moment that you are in the shoes of
James Wilson, a supremely talented youngster who has
not had a fair crack of the whip in the United starting
line-up because he has had the likes of Rooney, Falcao
and van Persie ahead of him. Now imagine that another
youngster, Harry Kane, who has had ONE great season
is brought in to your club at the price of £50m+. What
on earth is going though your mind? The club would
rather take a £50m risk on someone else’s kid than on
you, someone who has been there for years. It must be
demoralising! Now put yourself in the shoes of all the
other academy players who were looking to James
Wilson to break through, to give themselves the belief
that they also can one day play for the first team.
Shattered dreams everywhere. And for what? Potential?
Nathaniel Clyne is another young-ish player whose name is being thrown around in the press. What then of Saidy Janko? Why bother with an academy at all?

Look at Luke Shaw, United spend £30m on him after
ONE successful year in Southampton’s first team, now
he can hardly get a game ahead of Daley Blind when all
players are fit, a player who cost half the amount of
money and is a lot more talented, intelligent and
experienced. There is no guarantee that Luke will ever
be the next Patrice Evra, it is currently a hope, a fantasy, a dream. A dream that could have been invested in one of our own, with that £30m being spent on a world class, ready to go, central midfielder.

United need to take a leaf out of Barcelona’s book, they
are the standard bearers now. They spend huge
amounts of money on readymade stars and spend
nothing on unproven young players, bringing their own
through and giving them a GENUINE opportunity to
flourish. What was once United’s philosophy of bringing
in youngsters and giving them a true opportunity has
become diluted, fooling fans into a sense that we really
give youth a chance. We don’t. We must.
thefaithfulmufc

@chrisley024 wha ya fink?

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by diggz: 1:06pm On Jun 14, 2015
Nice write up and i totally agree with the part of not spending too much for unproven players. I even consider my club cfc to be the worse culprit when it comes to not integrating youths.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 1:56pm On Jun 14, 2015
SailorXY:


thefaithfulmufc

@chrisley024 wha ya fink?

good write-up I must say. But the truth is we had the same Barca is having. Unfortunately, our youths couldn't replace them. Barca also presently can afford to carry passengers unlike our team.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by parrotibaba(m): 2:00pm On Jun 14, 2015
^^^

The guy made some good points but d rest r balderdash ,not every youth product progresses through to d main squad n maintains his place dia ,he may hv forgotten that welbeck was given 2 years to show his worth up front for d team n he failed woefully ,d saido janko dat he is talking about is no good ... d thing with ppl like dis guy is dat de tend to forget a lot ,a certain Ritchie de laet has not made any telling contribution to de various teams he has played since leaving united ,what of Rodrigo possebom ,Federico macheda ? Ezekiel fryers? If d likes of Wilson will stay at d club n learn dia trade maybe one day ,de will become regular starters ,a fact dat LVG made known when he took over from Moyes ,dat he will integrate d youth players into d squad if de impress n he did so but u can't expect d likes of Wilson ,McNair n Blackett to lead our lines if we r to challenge d big guns ,we would be a laughing stock n dat guy would be d first to criticize d mgt for fielding inexperienced players n expecting dem to win trophies ...football den is different from now ,teams want to win trophies n not wait for a decade b4 achieving it ,all cos de r waiting for dia youth players to mature first. He mentioned barca as an example of youth integration ,but he forgot dat d likes of xavi ,iniesta ,Messi didn't just walk into d team n took d first team shirt ,de had already made stars anchoring dia development b4 de got to where de r currently ...d likes of sergi Roberto ,Montoya ,batra ,are currently sitting on d bench of Barcelona n for so long ,a certain thiago alcantara had to leave in order to get more football chances ,so much for youth integration in barca ...d difference between dis current barca team n dat of last season is d cash de spent on Suarez n rakitic ,according to dis guy's logic de should hv gone with d likes of sergi Roberto n munir n see if instant success would follow ,youth integration is not bad at all ,but u can't expect all youth players to make it to d first team by default ,de hv to prove dem selves first ,only den can de become regulars in d first team ,scholes ,giggs ,Neville ,butt worked hard b4 de got to d first team




..Youth doesn't always translate to success
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:55pm On Jun 14, 2015
parrotibaba:
^^^

The guy made some good points but d rest r balderdash ,not every youth product progresses through to d main squad n maintains his place dia ,he may hv forgotten that welbeck was given 2 years to show his worth up front for d team n he failed woefully ,d saido janko dat he is talking about is no good ... d thing with ppl like dis guy is dat de tend to forget a lot ,a certain Ritchie de laet has not made any telling contribution to de various teams he has played since leaving united ,what of Rodrigo possebom ,Federico macheda ? Ezekiel fryers? If d likes of Wilson will stay at d club n learn dia trade maybe one day ,de will become regular starters ,a fact dat LVG made known when he took over from Moyes ,dat he will integrate d youth players into d squad if de impress n he did so but u can't expect d likes of Wilson ,McNair n Blackett to lead our lines if we r to challenge d big guns ,we would be a laughing stock n dat guy would be d first to criticize d mgt for fielding inexperienced players n expecting dem to win trophies ...football den is different from now ,teams want to win trophies n not wait for a decade b4 achieving it ,all cos de r waiting for dia youth players to mature first. He mentioned barca as an example of youth integration ,but he forgot dat d likes of xavi ,iniesta ,Messi didn't just walk into d team n took d first team shirt ,de had already made stars anchoring dia development b4 de got to where de r currently ...d likes of sergi Roberto ,Montoya ,batra ,are currently sitting on d bench of Barcelona n for so long ,a certain thiago alcantara had to leave in order to get more football chances ,so much for youth integration in barca ...d difference between dis current barca team n dat of last season is d cash de spent on Suarez n rakitic ,according to dis guy's logic de should hv gone with d likes of sergi Roberto n munir n see if instant success would follow ,youth integration is not bad at all ,but u can't expect all youth players to make it to d first team by default ,de hv to prove dem selves first ,only den can de become regulars in d first team ,scholes ,giggs ,Neville ,butt worked hard b4 de got to d first team




..Youth doesn't always translate to success
Most of the time, it appears you don't read posts and comprehend before you comment. I just say make I check here today, I con see this. Part of the problem I had with you. grin

Abeg read that article again.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by olabode89(m): 4:09pm On Jun 14, 2015
elampiro:
Most of the time, it appears you don't read posts and comprehend before you comment. I just say make I check here today, I con see this. Part of the problem I had with you. grin

Abeg read that article again.
LMAO.... The article was all about paying top dollar for talents instead of giving opportunities to academy players or going all out for already established stars.

Paying 50M for Hurricane (Harry Kane) according to s article won't make sense.... It should b invested in an already finished product like Ibra, Suarez, Kun, Lewa, Huguain or Benz ir better still give Wilson a runout in d team.

When we paid 16M and 12M respectively for Jones and Smalling there were better and top class CBs that would have been snapped for 25M.

For me o.... If we want to sign a marque no 9 we should miraculously find a way to do away with Wazza. He is not the best no 10 in the team. D fat boi is a limiting factor to d squad.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 4:11pm On Jun 14, 2015
Guys, sup with the Robert Firmino rumour making waves across boards? Is he any better than what we already have?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by parrotibaba(m):
elampiro:
Most of the time, it appears you don't read posts and comprehend before you comment. I just say make I check here today, I con see this. Part of the problem I had with you. grin

Abeg read that article again.
and what do u. think I was. saying? undecided king of balderdash ,if u hv read from start to finish n understood d article u would hv understood my post ...I am still awaiting ur "Rooney is d best central midfielder of his generation" and ur denial dat follows d defense of ur previous implicating posts
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 5:06pm On Jun 14, 2015
olabode89:
LMAO.... The article was all about paying top dollar for talents instead of giving opportunities to academy players or going all out for already established stars.

Paying 50M for Hurricane (Harry Kane) according to s article won't make sense.... It should b invested in an already finished product like Ibra, Suarez, Kun, Lewa, Huguain or Benz ir better still give Wilson a runout in d team.

When we paid 16M and 12M respectively for Jones and Smalling there were better and top class CBs that would have been snapped for 25M.

For me o.... If we want to sign a marque no 9 we should miraculously find a way to do away with Wazza. He is not the best no 10 in the team. D fat boi is a limiting factor to d squad.
He is aware of the article's content and talked on the issue of our youth.

Fergie's "no value in the market" and the desire of most ready-made players to move to Spain led to this.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 5:12pm On Jun 14, 2015
parrotibaba:
and what do u. think I was. saying? undecided king of balderdash ...I am awaiting ur "Rooney is d best central midfielder of his generation".
the article was basically - play the youth or pay top dollar for the established & experienced. there's no need paying trucks of cash for "potential" that may or may not work.

I don't think there was any "balderdash" in the article
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by parrotibaba(m): 5:30pm On Jun 14, 2015
SailorXY:
the article was basically - play the youth or pay top dollar for the established & experienced. there's no need paying trucks of cash for "potential" that may or may not work.

I don't think there was any "balderdash" in the article
I never said d article was trash but some of d points he made ,yes d article was talking about paying big for potentials when de could flop but dat wasn't d only point he made ,he also talked about youth integration n dis is d point dat led to my post
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by parrotibaba(m): 5:34pm On Jun 14, 2015
patrickmuf:
Guys, sup with the Robert Firmino rumour making waves across boards?
Is he any better than what we already have?
dis is manutd!!! we get linked to every player in d world ,until dia is concrete bid for him ,all na rumor
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