PabloAfricanus:



You are clearly a kid.
I have no "loss" or anything of that sort.
If there is any "bad" results from the government...all Nigerians irrespective of tribe or ethnicity will share in it.
So you might have to adjust your lenses.

lokoloko84:
Other politicians like who?Why did not buhari,saraki and co team team up with these so called politicians before the merger.
Can you mention those politicians that are credible presently in SW

carnegiefan:
And @PabloAfricanus

NOBODY is Igbo political master. We are individually masters of our own fates.

As for the Fulani, "monkey dey clever be say tree dey". In Nigeria, the Yoruba have consistently played the role of the tree upon which the Fulani demonstrate their cleverness to the chagrin of other groups in Nigeria.
The last election proved that point fully.

PabloAfricanus:


Not just Awo, but Ayida and all the civil service and foreign service crew still cringing from the cold blooded murders of January 1966.
Awo with the benefit of hindsight was relatively naive and a bit blinded by his unapologetic tribal politics.
The Igbos were more than willing to have a working relationship with the Yorubas...as most of the Igbo nationalist leaders
had Yoruba leanings, spoke Yoruba or lived and schooled in then Western Region.
I think the Yoruba leaders generally did not like the domineering and pushy attitudes of the Igbos.
The Igbos undoing was their lack of political and diplomatic experience...plus not factoring in London's response
to the deaths of Ahmadu Bello, Tafawa Balewa and the rest.
If Awo had chosen the path of secession, there was nothing stopping the Westerners from forcing
the remaining Northern soldiers out of their region.
By the time of the Aburi meetings, majority of soldiers in the divisions had been relocated to their various regions.
It was an opportunity passed on.
The then Western region would have been had a chance of being a model of an organized African country.

Gowon was used, Awo was used both by the British and the Fulanis and they never realized it.
They were rather tolerated by the oligarchs.
As I have commented earlier, the Yorubas played a game of convenience...it was what it was.
But the real masterminds were not even Fulanis or Yorubas...the stakeholders were the old colonialists in London.
Nigeria was likely their checkmate to any oil production instability in the Arabian gulf and elsewhere they had planted puppet rulers.
Even the Soviets and France had to back down on Biafran support when they realized what the game was all about.

The British had decided that only the Hausa/Fulani sufficiently had the political, cultural and military experience to
secure their investments in their former colony.
The Igbos proved too smart and headstrong to play "civilized" politics with.
The Yorubas typically thrived in chaos and educated tribalism...not enough to handle international politics.
The other minorities were just not visible enough.

The only anti-dote to the Fulani (not Hausa/Fulani as some suppose) hegemony while Nigerian remains a nation is the Orkar formula.
Or a complete dismantling of Ironsi's unitary style of govt and a return to the former regions.
Unfortunately the strategic positioning of allies across all ethnic groups by the Fulani would have to be broken first.

My not necessarily correct opinion.

tobtap:

there is no self denial...tinubu was instrumental to buhari wining the election....u can jugde his success thru buhari political appointments... u cannot expect members of the national assembly to be loyal to tinubu...cos tinubu is not saraki Godfather neither is he the Godfather in a state like bauchi...my point is that u and article have not given any valid evidence that tinubu has lost anything...lawan and gbajamila are APC candidates not tinubu's....

Truckpusher:
Boy! You changed your song too soon.

This was all we've been crying for all this while but ya all said you were smarter and more sophistciated and that your interest is well protected but we kept warning you that the Northern oligarchy will use you and dump you ,throw some bones to the Niger Delta to pacify them, settle some crooks in the SE and position themselves to take it all .smh
Until we come back to our senses and pursue a common interest ,these invaders from Futa Jallon will use our Bantu people for their own gains all the time.Meanwhile pay the price for being so naive.

PabloAfricanus:


Not just Awo, but Ayida and all the civil service and foreign service crew still cringing from the cold blooded murders of January 1966.
Awo with the benefit of hindsight was relatively naive and a bit blinded by his unapologetic tribal politics.
The Igbos were more than willing to have a working relationship with the Yorubas...as most of the Igbo nationalist leaders
had Yoruba leanings, spoke Yoruba or lived and schooled in then Western Region.
I think the Yoruba leaders generally did not like the domineering and pushy attitudes of the Igbos.
The Igbos undoing was their lack of political and diplomatic experience...plus not factoring in London's response
to the deaths of Ahmadu Bello, Tafawa Balewa and the rest.
If Awo had chosen the path of secession, there was nothing stopping the Westerners from forcing
the remaining Northern soldiers out of their region.
By the time of the Aburi meetings, majority of soldiers in the divisions had been relocated to their various regions.
It was an opportunity passed on.
The then Western region would have been had a chance of being a model of an organized African country.

Gowon was used, Awo was used both by the British and the Fulanis and they never realized it.
They were rather tolerated by the oligarchs.
As I have commented earlier, the Yorubas played a game of convenience...it was what it was.
But the real masterminds were not even Fulanis or Yorubas...the stakeholders were the old colonialists in London.
Nigeria was likely their checkmate to any oil production instability in the Arabian gulf and elsewhere they had planted puppet rulers.
Even the Soviets and France had to back down on Biafran support when they realized what the game was all about.

The British had decided that only the Hausa/Fulani sufficiently had the political, cultural and military experience to
secure their investments in their former colony.
The Igbos proved too smart and headstrong to play "civilized" politics with.
The Yorubas typically thrived in chaos and educated tribalism...not enough to handle international politics.
The other minorities were just not visible enough.

The only anti-dote to the Fulani (not Hausa/Fulani as some suppose) hegemony while Nigerian remains a nation is the Orkar formula.
Or a complete dismantling of Ironsi's unitary style of govt and a return to the former regions.
Unfortunately the strategic positioning of allies across all ethnic groups by the Fulani would have to be broken first.

My not necessarily correct opinion.

carnegiefan:


No, believe me you are the kid here.

Nigeria is a lost cause; has been a lost cause since 1966.
Every political structuring and maneuverings have been to preserve privileges secured from the win/loss of the war.
The greatest lair is anyone trying to pass off other reasons for Nigeria's failure.
I'm simply calling out your lies.

PabloAfricanus:

I beg to disagree.
Since the end of the civil war, the Igbos are yet to produce a president.
Atleast even the Yorubas are back at the center after less than a decade of OBJ's exit.
The same burdens of bad leadership are SHARED by all Nigerians...so I dont get the point about "We are individually masters of our own fates.".
A simple change in policy from Aso rock would make your brothers trading across Nigeria resume the old marginalization anthem.
And there is nothing you can do about it.
Sorry but the facts indicate that the Igbos have no visible game as far as Nigerian politics is concerned.
It would have been you Igbos who should have sold the GEJ campaign to the North and the West.
You guys were the most favoured in the GEJ presidency...the lot fell on you to make sure he returned.
Even it had to entail wooing your perceived "enemies".
The results speak for themselves...
All in all...what Nigeria needs is a function government...irrespective of ethnic origin.
The sooner we work towards that...the better for everyone.

Shymm3x:


You did make a few points but a lot of things are wrong in ya post.

Story for a next time.

It's past my bed time -I'm out.

Volksfuhrer:


It's easy to talk now with the benefit of hindsight. That period was a state of heightened fear and uncertainty. Many decisions were rushed, with untoward consequences.

For instance, Awo could not have toed the line of secession because the Yorubas were not prepared for war. In the last meeting Awo had with Ojukwu, he pointed out to Ojukwu about the unpreparedness of the Western Region. He asked Ojukwu for two weeks to consult with his people, after all he understood he could never force anything on them. Awo was still en route to the West when he heard about Ojukwu's declaration of the new state of Biafra! You see, there was no way Awo would trust Ojukwu, if he could not have Awo in confidence. Awo knew immediately after Ojukwu's declaration that Ojukwu no longer needed him, which effectively destroyed any further possible alliance.

Shymm3x:


You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. There was a reason why I labelled Buhari as "Nigerian Abraham Lincoln" and "The Reagan era", and there was also a reason why I never said "Sai Buhari" in any of my posts before, during, and after the election. I knew what it was about but I just wanted regime change. No matter what happens during this administration - it will never be as bad as GEJ's. GEJ should never rule a local council, that was how poor he was.

Heck, even during GEJ's tenure - he also placated them. The only difference is that they have absolute powers now, after taking all the three arms of government. They also control the ports, military, and just added Accountant General to it. And they will make it a slum-dunk if they can take finance, and aviation ministries (Buhari is going to head the petroleum ministry). Anyway, I was just waiting to see if Tinubu can play a blinder - but he's just hype and no substance when it comes to Fulani hegemony based on the current scores.

Anyway, you better warn ya folks not to deny them their food in the SS - else, all of you will be wrapped up in body-bags.

Krucifax:
On a purely mathematical or numbers basis the Fulani will always dominate Nigeria. The colonialists didn't help by carving a Nigeria where half of the country geographically is Northern. Only unity of different groups can challenge the Hausa/Fulanis politically

MrPresident1:
It will be very difficult to dislodge the Fulanis from power, they understand the game too well. Petty jealousy and primordial sentiments made the south to lose power. Former president GEJ was a bad fit for president because he did not understand the dynamics of the Nigerian state. To rule an ethnically diverse nation as Nigeria, one has to think like an emperor, it has to be in you, GEJ simply did not have it in him.

GEJ depended on the Igbos to power his presidency, the Igbo culture and psyche thrives on individualism and disdain for social hierarchy, it neither understands the need for a give and take type of politics nor the dynamics of losing minor skirmishes to win major battles, it is a winner takes it all no holds barred culture. The Igbo culture does not understand empire building.

Nigeria is like an empire, made up of many federating units all functioning together and projecting as a single nation. Among the federating units exists fierce but subliminal rivalries that run deep but is tempered, by mutual respect and wary watchfulness among the followers, and mutual wanton indulgence in the public till among the leaders. This was the state of the relationship between the Yorubas and the Igbos before the ascendance of GEJ.

GEJ became a pawn because he failed to understand the dynamics of empire building, whether deliberately, or ignorantly, GEJ played the two major titans in the south against themselves. It was so BLATANT. Maybe it wasn't his faullt, maybe he was used, but who did not see the deliberate marginalisation of the Yoruba's in the GEJ administration? It was so glaring it stank to high heavens. If GEJ was used, IT WAS THE IGBOS THAT USED HIM, and perhaps this marginalisation of the Yorubas wasn't deliberate, but just the offshoot of a cultural system that takes it all.

The Yoruba did not vote for Buhari because Tinubu ordered them to do so, Tinubu is overhyped and he is in no way the leader of the Yoruba people, he is a child of circumstances and an opportunist, henceforth, no one should place much premium on Tinubu's intelligence, he is not as astute as he is portrayed. The Yorubas voted against Jonathan because Jonathan failed to understand the place of balance in a multi-ethnic heterogeneous society. It was only a reaction, a well justified one, by a highly educated and sophisticated people.

The Fulanis are back in power, the masters of the game of subterfuge.

MrPresident1:


Bros, you have summarized it all. There is no common rallying point in the south, that critical zone of continuity where we all can converge and see reason is just not there, unlike in the north where they have the Hausa language and the Islamic religion.
Fulanis like the Somalis, are a learned, proud and warlike people, and a people with deep and longstanding heritage. They are not lost people per se. They are the owners of Nigeria, and until there is that point of convergence in the south, they will continue to rule us. Of course with their knowledge of subterfuge and divide-and-rule, give the Yoruba man plenty amala for jollyment, give the Igbo man big title and let him be a bit above his people, and all forms of rally dissipates.

We are back to the past bro. Smh.

I think the Yoruba race should forever be grateful to the warriors of Ibadan who stopped them at Osogbo in the 1800s, if not? hehehe, we for don hear am.

Volksfuhrer:


It's easy to talk now with the benefit of hindsight. That period was a state of heightened fear and uncertainty. Many decisions were rushed, with untoward consequences.

For instance, Awo could not have toed the line of secession because the Yorubas were not prepared for war. In the last meeting Awo had with Ojukwu, he pointed out to Ojukwu about the unpreparedness of the Western Region. He asked Ojukwu for two weeks to consult with his people, after all he understood he could never force anything on them. Awo was still en route to the West when he heard about Ojukwu's declaration of the new state of Biafra! You see, there was no way Awo would trust Ojukwu, if he could not have Awo in confidence. Awo knew immediately after Ojukwu's declaration that Ojukwu no longer needed him, which effectively destroyed any further possible alliance.

Okikiade:
Majority of comments here shows the how "Nigeria as a nation in abberation!" We will never trust or helping each other in pursuing common goal of patriotism! Colonial Creation To Neo~Colonialism, you can never see anything good from hatred & distrust!

Dollyak:

Then we should divide? This isn't that hard is it?

mauriceju2:
Mark my word : the Hausa man can never never never never change Nigeria for good, it is not in their blood to do that, the day anybody will be able to bring Yoruba’s and Igbo together will be the day Nigeria will change for good, pdp cannot do us good and apc is the same with apc, look for a way to great a party that can bring Igbo’s and Yoruba’s together and you will see Nigeria change for good, Hausas does not have any power , their strength come from Igbo’s and Yoruba’s disunity.

Okikiade:
"sis vis pacem..."! "If You Want Peace, Prepare For War!" Do You?

Dollyak:

Not sure about my fam, but I am willing to do my part my providing a financial assistance in my own way.

Okikiade:
"I Smiles! Let's Just Pray For The Better Living On The Land God Gave Us To Be Born! Warring Nations Can Tell There Losses! Peace Be With You Dearie, cos you're ready for war!

Dollyak:

fvck prayer and I am a christian. Nigerians pray more than anyone in the world. I mean how can someone fast consecutively for 60 days. Yet, have you seen any changes?
I believe in God. Perhaps he is trying to tell us to take law into our own hands like every other successful western countries.
I will rather pray for my salvation. Thanks.

Okikiade:
optimism & pessimism, you should take one! I'm An UnRepentant optimist but my human nature forbids it extremism! hope keep us going