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Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo: 1:13pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
adsonstone:Are you still trying to prove that Benin did not colonize Lagos? Look at the bold and answer! |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by Chiaka(f): 1:13pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
True talk! italo: |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by Chiaka(f): 1:17pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
The Yorubas was subject to Benin, not the other way round. Even colonial history reveals that the Benin Kingdom was then one of the strongest kingdoms before the change to colonialism |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo: 1:20pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
adsonstone: No. That is why the Lagos Govt hasn't said so. Are you trying to imply that you know the history of Lagos more than the Lagos State Govt...and the Govt is ignorant of its history? |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by Chiaka(f): 1:21pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
The Yorubas was subject to Benin, not the other way round. Even colonial history reveals that the Benin Kingdom was then one of the strongest kingdoms before the change to colonialism, quite unfortunately the yorubas teach this lie in their school history that Benin are subject to yorubas. Benin was very rich in culture and some of those cultures were copied by the yorubas. It is evident because the colonial reign carted away with lots of Benin cultural heritage than they did in any other region |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by Chiaka(f): 1:25pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
italo: The Yorubas was subject to Benin, not the other way round. Even colonial history reveals that the Benin Kingdom was then one of the strongest kingdoms before the change to colonialism, quite unfortunately the yorubas teach this lie in their school history that Benin are subject to yorubas. Benin was very rich in culture and some of those cultures were copied by the yorubas. It is evident because the colonial reign carted away with lots of Benin cultural heritage than they did in any other region |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo: 1:35pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
adsonstone: The name Dahomey is an abbreviation of "Isidahomen" who was a Bini General that conquered that land. People still bear Isidahomen today in Edo State. Togo named a university and hotel after the Bini kingdom. Universite du Benin, Lome. Republic of Benin was named after Benin Kingdom after the Late Oba Akenzua granted permission in 1974. Gnassingbe Eyadema said publicly that the people of Togo trace their roots to Bini Kingdom. Even the Ga people of Ghana are from Bini Kingdom. Oduduwa was from Bini. All the Kingdoms in Delta State and Onitsha were under the great Bini Empire. Benin tradition and history is too detailed to be twisted with your fake historical revision. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by hahn(m): 2:00pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
italo: Indeed the Yorubas are actually cowardly and lazy. Its only in Yorubaland that you will find a grown up mad with his wife and kids living in his mother's or grand parents house. They don't travel and thus are ignorant of other societies and tribes, remain within their own twisted logic and end up as agberos or omo oniles. I wonder why you even bother. They'll never learn 1 Like |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by adsonstone: 2:21pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
italo: A baptized and excommunicated Roman Catholic priest is a Roman Catholic, right? A man is disassociated from (ceases to be a member of) his people once he's banished. Read history and educate yourself. Stop displaying sheer ignorance. italo: You didn't answer this: Must they always fight? Besides, who told you they didn't fight? ...and the Lagos State Govt. and wikipedia were lying when they said this; "...Eko stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm" or Eko "war camp"." and they're trying to dignify Yorubas when they said this; "...the Aworis are peace loving people" Keep being hypocritical and choose what you want to believe from the same source. |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by modhream: 2:28pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
adsonstone:Eko is an Edo word meaning war settlement/camp.Another instance of a Benin settlement with the Eko prefix is Eko Oshodin or Ekosodin(Oshodin's camp) where uniben campus is located |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by adsonstone: 2:30pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
italo: Source? History clearly states that 'Bini' empire only spanned a land mass of some 90000-100000km² at its furtherest extent. It seems you're the one trying to 'change' history here. |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by modhream: 2:31pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
italo:Onitsha had some Benin influence,but never came under the Benin empire.Neither did Asaba nor Igbuzo on the western shore of the Niger |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by adsonstone: 2:34pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
italo: No, I'm not. Seems you're the one implying you know the history of Lagos more than its Govt that said the name has Yoruba roots. Or are you simply pained about that fact? |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by adsonstone: 2:36pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
modhream: Simple. There are many more kingdoms/empires that had influences from Bini, yet, were never under Bini Empire. Many are just ignorant about that. |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by adsonstone: 2:38pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
italo: No, Bini conquered Lagos. Bini colonized Lagos. The British Empire subdued and colonized Bini. No one is disputing that. |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by adsonstone: 2:48pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
modhream: Eko may refer to 'abode' or 'war settlement.' Though those words may not have direct or exact translations. |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo: 3:11pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
adsonstone: Please show me where the Govt said categorically that Eko has Yoruba roots. adsonstone: Then what is your argument about? |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo: 3:15pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
adsonstone: Just beating around the bush. Eko is an Edo word. Deal with it! |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by adsonstone: 3:54pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
italo: Tell that to the Lagos State Govt. Yorubas are calm, peace-loving and accommodating people! Deal with that! |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo: 4:08pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
adsonstone: I see that everyday as Yoruba omo oniles harass innocent and hardworking developers. I see that as Yoruba agberos harass and attack innocent and hardworking motorists and commuters. And all these thugs are supported and used by Yoruba obas. I see! |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by adsonstone: 4:16pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
italo: I did not claim the Govt. said that 'categorically.' This is what was said; Prior to the Portuguese name of Lagos being adopted, Lagos was originally called Eko, which stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm" or Eko ("war camp" italo: 1. The fact that Lagos State Govt. describe Lagos as 'No man's land' (rephrased) does not contradict the fact that: a. Presently and historically, Lagos was and still a part of 'Yorubaland.' b. Virtually 100% of its indigenes are Yorubas or Yoruba related. 2. It is improper to describe Oduduwa as a Bini Man...infact, he bluntly refused to return to Bini even to govern them, rather, he sent his son. |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by adsonstone: 4:18pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
italo: Tell that to the Lagos State Govt. and Wikipedia who described them as that. |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo: 4:35pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
adsonstone:Wikipedia is open source. Even you can update it. Lagos State Govt are mainly Yorubas. We expect them to say good about Yorubas. However, when you and I walk the streets of Lagos, we see a multitude of aggressive and mannerless Yoruba young men ready to harass and attack anybody at any given opportunity. But then, you revel in falsehood. |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by Nobody: 4:36pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
splashbaby:My happiness is that, you're not better than an average Igboman's poo. |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo: 4:58pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
adsonstone: Don't worry about the name anymore. It was meant to buttress my point that Lagos was a Benin colony...which you have already agreed to. adsonstone: In spite of what you said, Lagos is no man's land...according to the govt. adsonstone: There are many Nigerians that have refused to return to Nigeria. They are still Nigerians. |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by adsonstone: 5:05pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
italo: Yet they describe their land as a 'no man's land'----that tells me they're really accommodating....and honest too. The fact that historically, the Yorubas have the least engaged in wars and in modern times, Yorubaland has the highest number/percentage of non-yoruba living in it, that further prove that Yorubas are truly friendly and accommodating as described by the Lagos state Govt. and wikipedia. You chose to believe Lagos is a 'no-man's-land' yet, you're finding it really hard to accept that Yorubas are accommodating. It seems its not only dishonesty and hypocrisy your issue is. Hatred and envy for the Yorubas is eating you up. Free up yourself, it would really help you. |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by adsonstone: 5:25pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
italo: Okay Sir, you win! Congratulations! ....but it doesn't change facts like; 1.Banishment entails total disconnection from one's homeland. 2.Presently and historically, Lagos was and still a part of 'Yorubaland.' 3. Virtually 100% of its indigenes are Yorubas or Yoruba related. 4. Yorubas are accommodating according to Lagos State Govt. And Wikipedia and several other sources. |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo: 5:31pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
adsonstone: Maybe because that fact is undeniable. adsonstone: You have no shred of evidence for the bold. If they are true, it could be because Yorubas are cowards, and lazier than other tribe who find it easy to thrive in Yoruba land because the indegenes won't do anything. adsonstone: I have a reason to doubt the good they say because they are Yorubas so they can lie to make themselves seem good. I have no reason to doubt that Lagos is no man's land. Why would they lie to disadvantage themselves? adsonstone: I only quoted Lagos Govt. Maybe hatred and envy is eating them up. I don't hate Yorubas. I only hate some of the things they do, just like other tribes. There is nothing to envy Yorubas for. Nothing! Or do you know any? |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo: 5:38pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
adsonstone: In your Yoruba lie lie dictionary, I guess. Show me proof from an English dictionary. adsonstone: And Lagos is a no man's land full of mannerless and lazy Yoruba people looking for how to harass innocent citizens and extort them. |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by adsonstone: 7:11pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
italo: Read on banishment in the Bini Empire....and even many other areas. Banishment in the Bini empire entails loss of citizenship. Well, from an English dictionary; verb (used with object) 1. to expel from or relegate to a country or place by authoritative decree; condemn to exile: 2. to compel to depart; send, drive, or put away: Synonyms: deportation, dismissal, expatriation, expulsion, ouster, removal A deported man is not allowed to return or visit the country he was deported from. An expelled student is not allowed to re-enroll in the same school, he looses his 'studentship' and identity with the school. http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/expulsion Exile means to be away from one's home (i.e. city, state or country), while either being explicitly refused permission to return and/or being threatened with imprisonment or death upon return https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exile italo: You Win! You need a medal to realize it? |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by adsonstone: 7:17am On Jun 17, 2015 |
italo: Evidence on accounts of wars? You must be kidding. You wouldn't even like me to delve into bringing details of series of the south eastern Aro-Ibibio Wars which lasted for almost 30 decades...or the Anglo-Aro wars which resulted in serious casualties....or even the recent Igbo/Biafran war against Nigeria that almost tore Nigeria apart....or the series or Religious wars/violences/crises that occur frequently in Northern Nigeria. There are many books you can read about wars in Yorubaland. Read: 1. Robert Smith: Kingdom of the Yoruba 2. The History of the Yorubas by Samuel Johnson 3. Professor Akinjogbin - "Wars in Yorubaland, 1793 - 1893: An analytical categorization 4. S.A. Akintoye's "Revolution and Power Politics. 5. J.F. Ade Ajayi and R. Smith: Yoruba Warfare Here's a link to one www.archive.org/stream/historyofyorubas00john/historyofyorubas00john_djvu.txt I believe these books reveal a whole lot about wars, violences and conflicts in south western Nigeria and also present a form of comparison between the south west and other regions in Nigeria. ....and yes, Yorubas 'won't do anything' because of their friendly and accommodating nature as the Lagos State Govt. and Wikipedia describes, as long as the non-indigenes do not constitute nuisance. The nature of Lagos alone tells it all. There are millions of Igbos, Hausas and many other tribes living there, you can't find such in several other states/regions. "The Yorubas live in peace and harmony" "There has never been a history of religious crisis among Yorubas unlike with Northerners" "Yorubas are industrious, peace-loving and progressive, I am proud to be associated with them" - Governor of Bauchi State, Mallam Isa Yuguda. Speaking at the 2013 Yoruba Day celebration in Bauchi. scannewsnigeria.com/featured-post/learn-from-yorubas-peaceful-co-existence-yuguda-tells-nigerians/ italo: The bold; Hypocrisy and dishonesty at its peak. You're simply envious of the description of Yorubas given by Lagos State Govt., Wikipedia and Mallam Isa Yuguda admist several other sources....and that's the reason for your doubts. Like I said before, free up yourself. |
Re: 'No Tribe Can Claim Lagos, Even Oba Of Lagos Is From Benin Lineage.'--Lagos Govt by italo: 8:44am On Jun 17, 2015 |
adsonstone: You and I both know that the above in no way proves that Yorubas fought less wars than anyone else. You're just touting theories you're unsure of. How many wars did Yorubas fight and how many did others fight? If Yorubas are the most peaceful, then how are they the only ones that conquered territory up to Benin Republic, according to you? adsonstone: By "won't do anything," I meant they are so lazy they don't like to do any constructive work or business. That is why an Hausa man from Kano will excel in selling tomatoes in Lagos...because the Yoruba sellers cannot compete. The Igbo man dominates most major markets in Lagos because the Yoruba man just wants to eat amala and drink alomo and impregnate the girl on the roadside and harass the Igbo man and extort him. The Yoruba man doesn't go out of his homeland because his lazy attitude will make him not able to survive in Igbo land where everybody is hustling, for example. adsonstone: Lagos was Federal Capital. That is what happens in Capital cities all over the world. I'm surprised that at your age, you don't know that. As a matter of fact, it is because of the nature of Yorubas that Lagos became so dirty, rough and disorganized. Hence the movement to Abuja. Go to Abuja and see how the indegenes comport themselves in peace and civility. No Omo oniles, agberos, extreme dirtiness, no loud music inconveniencing others, no street parties blocking public roads, no Oba threatening people with drowning. adsonstone: Mallam Yuguda is expected to say things like that at Yoruba day celebration. Do you want him to say "Yorubas are dirty and lazy. They are cowards. They give birth to children indiscriminately and leave them to wander without training. They are very promiscuous in marriage. Infact they abhor strong family units. They are hypocrites. They cannot be held by their word. They are too fetish and diabolical. All their lives are controlled by juju. They are more concerned about wearing nice expensive clothes to parties than giving their children a decent meal?" adsonstone: No. If I say my mother is a witch, it is logical to believe me because I wouldn't ordinarily want to admit that. But if I say my mother is an angel...it is logical to take it with a pinch of salt because everybody would want to say so about their mother, even children of witches. If you admit in court that you killed a man, you'll be jailed...but if you denied it, you'll not be acquitted. So it's not hypocrisy and dishonesty. It's logic. I'm surprised that at your age, you need me to teach you that. adsonstone: I can show you dozens of Nigerians who have terrible things to say about Yorubas. Should we believe them? There are people who say nice things about Bin Laden. Are you envious of them if you disagree? It's you who needs to free up yourself from low reasoning capacity. What is making you defensive? Mention what I said about Yorubas that is a lie! 1 Like 1 Share |
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