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| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by ohzee(f): 1:14am On Jun 20, 2015 |
I was one of the people waiting for jp to open this new thread hoping it will make front page. Unfortunately it is unlikely to do so because it is soooo full of insults. It's really sad. However the subsidy debate appears to have died down again because fuel scarcity has ended temporarily. Maybe with a new round of scarcity we will debate more civilly. Let's take it easy people. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by Aura2(f): 10:46am On Jun 20, 2015 |
jpphilips:Are you aware of Nigeria's swap crude agreement? read about it sometime ago where does that crude come from? Can't we use that source for our local production capacity? |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by kaboninc(m): 12:53pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
ohzee:I will say it is a time bomb, ticking slowly. The faster this administration acts, the better for all of us. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 5:44pm On Jun 22, 2015 |
Aura2:OPA you mean? I am aware of it, you can not use it either, according to the arrangement, three companies will get 90,000bbls each to swap with refined petroleum products, Nigeria pays for logistics, the money you pay for the products plus logistics cost is always higher (depending on the price of crude), so it equally attracts a little subsidy. 270,000bbls of crude can not satisfy daily local consumption regardless. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 5:45pm On Jun 22, 2015 |
kaboninc:The better for your dumb soul not all of us |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by kaboninc(m): 7:56pm On Jun 22, 2015 |
jpphilips:Do you know what Yorubas call egbee? You run when the heat is on. Only to return as a terrorists. Hmmmm. Just not in the mood to respond to your insults. I've sized you and noted your faults. Rather than accepting, you throw insults, insults you can't match. Until such a time when you're ready for a robust debate, with facts to back up claims, without distorting positions of important individuals, then we can't walk on same road. Hope you've seen the "supposed" recommendations of the Joda committee on subsidy removal, refineries privatisation, NPDC review and NNPC overhauling all subject of our disagreements? |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 10:33am On Jun 23, 2015 |
kaboninc:I cannot have a robust debate with you because as far as subsidy removal is concerned, you have no plan let alone one that will not work, outright removal is no plan, now get lost!! I saw your allegations on alternate Moniker, I couldn't help but size your IQ. An IQ that is bereft of ideas however small can only think of alternate monikers, does mine look that way to you? you are not even scared!! |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by kaboninc(m): 10:58am On Jun 23, 2015 |
jpphilips:I kept how I want an outright removal of subsidy on hold because I had to point out some of your flaws. I told you so. Your supposed thesis was filled with so much hate, distortion and flaws which I just cannot allow slide. So I challenged you and instead of proving otherwise, you began the insult. Everybody here is anonymous and the next guy is just smarter than you. I saw your allegations on alternate Moniker, I couldn't help but size your IQ. An IQ that is bereft of ideas however small can only think of alternate monikers, does mine look that way to you? you are not even scared!!Oh, you saw the allegations on alternate moniker on another thread...you didn't see the ones here? I may not have ideas but the one you profess to have, they are foolis.h words not even worth labeling a foo.lish idea. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 11:10am On Jun 23, 2015 |
kaboninc:That is the point, you are bereft of ideas that qualifies you as dumb!! People like you said Jonathan was clueless when he proposed outright removal of subsidy, I equally called him clueless for doing so, the difference between you and I is that I branded him clueless because I had a clue, on your part, what do you have? "clueless" won't you say?? Now tell me, what is the difference between you and Jonathan if you were at the helm of affairs? |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 11:21am On Jun 23, 2015 |
ohzee:I really don't see it that way, every good national policy will definitely jeopardize the interest of the hawks of failure. So you will never know whose interest has been barking on the thread to derail it, nevertheless, Aura has promised to recommend it, who knows, someone in Government may listen and Nigerians will be better off with that, that in my opinion is the bottom line. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by mandarin: 12:11pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
jpphilips:I am seriously opposed to subsidy removal.But let me state that your position isn't bad either. Taken that all your stated reforms are excited but I will state my position: Before we can attain 100% local production of all our petroleum products consumption it will be at least 24 months if we start today, this is because the technology to do it isn't domiciled within our country. Also, one critical factor to import cost of products is the exchange rate to the dollar. The current mangers of out MPR are to me, have not demostrated sufficient knowledge of the game. Devaluing the naira is criminal why those economic hawks responsible for such have not been put behind bars. Removing subsidy is making the populace pay for the inefficiencies of government over the years. Before you can deregulate, get new refineries on stream, sell crude to them at prices below the international market and grow the domestic consumption market by ensuring more consumers are built. The future of Nigeria lies in building its own domestic market which has hundreds of billions in gaps. What about the gas market. Generating electricity through gas and growing industrial and domestic consumptions is the way forward. We are a weak party in international negotiations but if we have a thriving local market we will become strong. So what is the way forward: quickly reform the CBN, I mean now to be responsive to current challenges and seek to build the domestic market. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by kaboninc(m): 12:40pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
jpphilips:I have never at any time made such a remark. You have as you have admitted. I'll say it again: I may not have ideas but the rub.bish you profess can't hold water. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by kaboninc(m): 12:42pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
mandarin: ![]() |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by atlwireles: 12:43pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
Kabonic, if I were you I will forget this thread. Your point has been clearly made, don't allow ediots draw you to their levels. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by kaboninc(m): 12:46pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
jpphilips:I just saw again the rubb.ish you posted in your opening thread. Like this: Probe and forensic auditing of the existing subsidy regimen;The areas I had to bold tell so much about what you know. When you correct yourself, you can then review your daft solution. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by kaboninc(m): 12:47pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
atlwireles: ![]() My brother, I just feel the need to screw some guys head. That jpphilips head for instance needs some tight screwing. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 3:32pm On Jun 27, 2015 |
kaboninc:You still don't have any ideas uptill now? so what are you doing here? This thread is for people who have got the ideas, can you open your own thread and continue with your buffoonery pls!! I won't ask you nicely again. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 3:48pm On Jun 27, 2015 |
mandarin:My plan is a 4yr plan so the 24months you proposed is a little conservative. I really don't know much about the financial sector, I only know how the policies there affect the oil industry, can you explain more how a CBN reform could affect subsidy? About the Exploratory part and the technology there in, you are right but I am only proposing a restructure of what we have on ground first before we advance. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by netotse(m): 6:56pm On Jun 27, 2015 |
jpphilips:Chairmain...you're coming across as a proud person, granted, it's easy to see that you're knowledgeable in some areas but you still make some funny mistakes that out you as not being as rounded as you seem to potray yourself as being. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by netotse(m): 6:33pm On Jul 01, 2015 |
http://africaoilgasreport.com/2015/06/petroleum-people/okoye-is-ceo-of-neconde/ since a lot of this thread was spent analysing Neconde thought this would be interesting...lol |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by kaboninc(m): 7:22pm On Jul 01, 2015 |
netotse: Okoye is CEO of Neconde |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 2:31pm On Jul 02, 2015*. Modified: 4:41pm On Jul 02, 2015 |
netotse:I opened this thread for a reason and your pseudo innate behaviour has derailed that objective. Of what use are you here since you have no ideas how to remove subsidy? You are fast becoming a nuisance, watch it!! |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by kaboninc(m): 8:21pm On Jul 02, 2015 |
jpphilips:You use your own sore hands, with your decayed mouth, and worn-out brain to shut people out of your thread. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by Aura2(f): 11:29pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
jpphilips:You must have confused him for Kabnoninc |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by kaboninc(m): 5:29pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
Aura2:At least, spell my moniker correctly nau |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 12:40am On Sep 04, 2015 |
kaboninc:President Mohammed Buhari through the GMD of NNPC has commenced the implementation of phase 1, 4 and 6. You are free to hang by your balls. Aura, thanks for the recommendation even when moderators thought it wasn't front page worthy. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 12:45am On Sep 04, 2015 |
kaboninc:President Mohammed Buhari through the GMD of NNPC has commenced the implementation of phase 1, 4 and 6. You are free to hang by your balls. Aura, thanks for the recommendation even when moderators thought it wasn't front page worthy. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 12:56am On Sep 04, 2015 |
Phase 1: You may not know what you are up against (Trust me) and I see no possibility in Buhari achieving it.Guess you will swallow your words now that 1,4&6 are in progress. You guys have no idea how a sane country should run |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 1:01am On Sep 04, 2015 |
@jpphilipsBuhari has gone public with his asset declaration, you are free to commit suicide. |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by kaboninc(m): 9:17am On Sep 04, 2015 |
jpphilips: jpphilips:All the narrative you wrote was at best nothing and an exercise in futility to substantiate why subsidy must be probed and audited. Your first gaffe was insulting the (former) Minister of Finance and secondly, you mistake depot owners for importers of PMS. I have corrected you on these issues yet you do not want to take corrections. I had used Capital Oil as an example of a depot owner who warehouses petroleum imports on behalf of the NNPC. Here is an excerpt from the GMD of NNPC and note how he canvassed for the complete removal of subsidy as against your Mr. Buhari who initially said he knows nothing about subsidy on to be - after been sworn in - said subsidy will stay. Economy can’t sustain subsidy – Kachikwu, NNPC boss Phase 4Another exercise in futility. No cogent reason for why there should be a lean "government" and restructure of the "NPDC". Note the words I quoted. With specific reference to the "NPDC", maybe you should re-read your news properly as it appears you are mistaking "NNPC" for "NPDC". Let me help you: In major restructuring, Buhari shrinks [size=15pt]NNPC’s[/size] directoratesEven in your essay, you did not give specific units that needs structuring and the possible processes. Lastly, Phase 6Funny guy! The turn around maintenance of the refineries have since begun, quietly, unlike the loud mouth you and your people represent. NNPC refutes spending N152bn on Turn Around MaintenanceHowever, I have always supported the idea of completely selling the refineries due to the nature of the Nigerian lifestyle of bureaucratic corruption. However, here is what I like and I am ready to give him a benefit of doubt: Kachikwu: We Saved $287m in Port Harcourt Refinery Turnaround MaintenanceJPPhilips......please spend more time thinking than talking! |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 10:50pm On Sep 04, 2015*. Modified: 11:15pm On Sep 04, 2015 |
kaboninc:This is the end of this road, the probe will expose what dumb people like you will never see. You will commit suicide once the people I mentioned are indicted, we may attend your funeral when you see the direction of the policy makers. I am monitoring events pretty closely arguing with you is a mistake I will not make again. Just to let you know, Kachikwu is considering a JV agreement for PH refinery for now which is the primary focus of stage 4. ""He ruled out any plan by the federal government to sell off the refineries, stating that instead, government might consider joint ventures. “There will never be a plan to sell the refineries. There might be a plan to have joint venture investors, but that is going to depend on how the refineries are going to work on their own. Obviously, we are going to be looking at all options to make the refineries 100 per cent efficient,” he said.""........GMD NNPC www.thisdaylive.com/articles/kachikwu-we-saved-287m-in-port-harcourt-refinery-turnaround-maintenance/219243/ * PRCN, WRCN and KRCN will have their operatorship Licence revoked, NNPC will award operatorship license to qualified refining companies to manage her operations, agreement should be one that gives room for operator/NNPC expansion of refining output.............JP PHILIPS (June 1st 2015) While people with ideas steer the wheel of change, Vultures like Kaboninc will continue hovering in futility. Like I said, you can choose a quick death or a painful one, Nigeria must change. I owe you nothing hence wont bother to show you how far Buhari has gone with the rest. We continue watching!! |
| Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 12:03am On Sep 05, 2015 |
atlwireles:well well well I remembered your post when Kachikwu proposed a JV for PRCN, I wonder how long you have been an !diot to believe that phase 4 has no workability. Never you criticize what you dont understand so you will not remain an !diot. |
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