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Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by bosedekemi(f): 4:13pm On Jun 24, 2015
OP. This is time to be realistic, not musing o huh

People are dying everyday because of Nigeria. You are not spared. So think think... don't be musing embarassed
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by 1bunne4lif(m): 4:15pm On Jun 24, 2015
rudebouy:
So you upload a blured picture and cover ur face with a sun glass on top of the blurrness, and you expect anybody to take you serious.

My friend take a clearer picture without the sun glasses and hold a piece of paper with ur monicker boldly written on top of it, den we'll take u serious as a correct biafran soldier.
I won't thread words with you, but mind you i'm serious about it. When it starts, i'll find you and you know the rest. I don't make treats, i make promises. PEACE
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by 1bunne4lif(m): 4:18pm On Jun 24, 2015
obailala:
What freedom are you talking about?

What is your definition of freedom?

Can you point out to me 1 or 2 examples of the captivity in which you need freedom from?
Freedom from this zoo called Nigeria. If you're not comfortable with it don't quote me ok, just back off
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by obailala(m): 4:21pm On Jun 24, 2015
1bunne4lif:
Freedom from this zoo called Nigeria. If you're not comfortable with it don't quote me ok, just back off
ok

All these ones because the incompetent Ijaw man lost election? cheesy cheesy cheesy grin grin

I see someone jumping inside a lagoon very soon.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by 1bunne4lif(m): 4:23pm On Jun 24, 2015
obailala:
ok
thank you. You're matured enough
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by Nobody: 4:25pm On Jun 24, 2015
SLIDEwaxie:
U may have laid some valid points, but it's none of my concern...

With all my life, I wish they start a war...

It will be fun, watching them being blown into pieces on CNN...

Do they for once think they are ready for another civil war?

What they failed to realise is that the war will be on their soil again..

I hope they will be annihilated this time..

undecided
you would gladly watch people blown to pieces??! and others would gladly like the comment.You lots are the hopelessness of mankind.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by zendy: 4:47pm On Jun 24, 2015
obailala:
In the late sixties, Igbos were attacked and slaughtered on the streets all over Nigeria as if they weren't humans. Surviving Igbos in large masses fled back the the south east for safety and sequel to that, the independence of Biafra was announced. There was a pogrom against the Igbos in the late sixties and in view of that, the declaration of Biafran independence was absolutely necessary then. Igbos willingly fought for their survival in the late sixties and there was absolute unity because the cause was justified.

What I do not understand however is the motive or the driving factor behind this present clamour for Biafra 45 years after. Is it just because an Ijaw candidate supported by Igbos lost a presidential election, or is it because Igbos have been prevented from carrying out their businesses peacefully in other regions?

I would have preferred a clamour for true federalism instead of this senseless xenophobic incantations by the young man in London. There are more Igbos living outside Igbo land than within the south-east, if there are any hostilities between Igbos and non-Igbos in the Nigeria of today, Igbos would definitely be the losers. We have more investments outside Igbo land than we even had prior to the civil war. Yet Nnamdi Kanu calls for Igbos to attack non-Igbos in the east and some individuals genuinely think this man is a smart man? undecided

Anyway, I would be interested in seeing how Mr Kanu can convince oga Chike or Chukwuemeka or Livinus in Alaba market Lagos to close their shops, relocate to the south east, pick up arms and start fighting Nigerian military.
The northerner will never agree to true federalism or regionalism. The Biafran war was fought because of this very reason. Gowon and Ojukwu signed an agreement in Aburi Ghana where both agreed that Nigeria must be run as a confederation. Gowon returned to Nigeria and realised that what he had just signed was not in tandem with norths overwhelming ambition to control Nigeria. That's why he abandoned the Aburi agreement and created States which forced Ojukwu to declare Biafra. The North will never allow regionalism to ever come back. If a motion for regionalism is moved at the National Assembly tomorrow, you can bet the northerners will gang up and vote it down with their numerical strenght. Biafra was not just about the Igbos that were massacred all over Nigeria, it was also about the people of Eastern Nigeria to decide for themselves if the are Nigerians or not. An 'honour' nobody ever asked them if they wanted. It is the integral right of the Igbo man and any minority in the SS to pull out of Nigeria if they so wish and nobody can take that away from them. As for Igbos and their investment outside Igboland. I have read with constant amusement the way Yorubas say "leave Lagos and your investments and return to the east if you are serious about Biafra". In event of Biafra emerging, I believe that many Igbos will sell up and head home to build their nation. Lagos is just one of the many commercial hubs in the world. It is not the be all and end all of anything. The world is a much bigger place than Lagos. God knows what Lagos will become after Igbos leave it en mass. We shall make Biafra more attractive to the world than Lagos will ever be and I believe in the ingenuity of my people. Biafra shall emerge as a triumphant nation and we shall take much delight in proving our detractors wrong that we need Nigeria to survive

All Hail Biafra!!!!!!
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by sweetgala(m): 5:04pm On Jun 24, 2015
1bunne4lif:
You think of investment, i think of freedom. FREEDOM I SHALL HAVE; IN BIAFRA I TRUST
Freedom without poverty has no purpose
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by 1bunne4lif(m): 5:13pm On Jun 24, 2015
obailala:
ok

All these ones because the incompetent Ijaw man lost election? cheesy cheesy cheesy grin grin

I see someone jumping inside a lagoon very soon.
Mind you, the struggle has been on before the emergence of the clueless one as president
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by obailala(m): 6:03pm On Jun 24, 2015
1bunne4lif:
Mind you, the struggle has been on before the emergence of the clueless one as president
But the new Biafran struggle obviously gained massive prominence and popularity since GEJ conceded defeat.

A lot of GEJ supporters of south-eastern origin suddenly felt dejected, betrayed and felt like they needed freedom from the captivity of Nigeria; all these because the candidate they supported lost a single election. Had GEJ won the election, we wouldn't have heard of all these.

I still maintain that a person who is heartbroken (from the election shock) is in no emotional state to make a sound decision. All I see from the present crop of Biafran proponents are just a bunch of emotionally vulnerable people being manipulated psychologically by a violence inciting xenophobic lunatic called Nnamdi Kanu. Just imagine youngsters calling for WAR, WAR and WAR in a time of peace like they even know what war entails. The current situation we find ourselves cannot in anyway be compared to the crisis experienced in the late 60's before the civil war. In the 60's, there was an ethnic cleansing of Igbos in other parts of Nigeria and innocent people were dragged into the streets and slaughtered in cold blood. That was the reason we went to war in the 60's so the question I ask is, why are we going to war now?

Instead of applying some wisdom in seeking out a peaceful resolution, the proponents of the struggle keep preaching hate, hate, hate, violence,violence and violence against every other ethnic group. The most foolish part of this approach being that Igbos more than every other tribe have massive investments within the territories of their 'so called' enemies. Just imagine Igbos destroying Yoruba or Hausa properties in the south-east just like the albino lunatic admonishes?... Who will be the greatest losers if all other Nigerian ethnic groups decide to return the favour?

As for me, I support true federalism which I am sure will favour not just the Igbos, but every other ethnic nationality in Nigeria. I absolutely do not support the ill thought idea of secession in 2015. For true federalism to be achieved, the entire southern Nigeria has to be united and not divided. The foolish hate messages the albino lunatics keeps spewing against Yorubas on radio Biafra is the surest way not to achieve true federalism.

To whom brain is given, common sense is expected!
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by Nobody: 6:07pm On Jun 24, 2015
SLIDEwaxie:
U may have laid some valid points, but it's none of my concern...

[s]With all my life, I wish they start a war...

It will be fun, watching them being blown into pieces on CNN...

Do they for once think they are ready for another civil war?

What they failed to realise is that the war will be on their soil again..

I hope they will be annihilated this time..[/s]

undecided
May the gods inflict you with elephantiasis of the scrotum your frustrated beast of burden fit only to be fed to crocodiles.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by Rilwayne001(op): 6:25pm On Jun 24, 2015
EUROBOMBER:
May the gods inflict you with elephantiasis of the scrotum your frustrated beast of burden fit only to be fed to crocodiles.
Why the curse uhnhuh
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by londoner: 7:54pm On Jun 24, 2015
Why are people talking about 'freedom'? Igbo's that chose to neglect their land have ALWAYS been free to build up all of their states. You are not actually competing with any tribe in your region.......all this Biafra talk is nonsense and if you are honest with yourselves you will admit that Igboland is lacking because if lack of unity, selfishness and because above all else money rules.

Igbo's are our own worst enemy.....no one else.

People would be telling of activity all over Igboland of people investing and giving their best years to their region if Igbo's really wanted a better region. Even those in London advocating for Biafra have given their best to Queen Elizabeth.

Igboland is not what it should be because WE IGBOS HAVE FAILED and instead of this much needed awakening to build our region they HIJACK it for their own thirst for blood, or do you not think their wives and children will not be in the UK US and anywhere but Nigeria while they encourage those who have no option of fleeing to pay the sacrifice?

Such hypocrites and I am immensely ashamed of them.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by carnegiefan: 8:25pm On Jun 24, 2015
londoner:
Why are people talking about 'freedom'? Igbo's that chose to neglect their land have ALWAYS been free to build up all of their states. You are not actually competing with any tribe in your region .......all this Biafra talk is nonsense and if you are honest with yourselves you will admit that Igboland is lacking because if lack of unity, selfishness and because above all else money rules.

Igbo's are our own worst enemy.....no one else.

People would be telling of activity all over Igboland of people investing and giving their best years to their region if Igbo's really wanted a better region. Even those in London advocating for Biafra have given their best to Queen Elizabeth.

Igboland is not what it should be because WE IGBOS HAVE FAILED and instead of this much needed awakening to build our region they HIJACK it for their own thirst for blood, or do you not think their wives and children will not be in the UK US and anywhere but Nigeria while they encourage those who have no option of fleeing to pay the sacrifice?

Such hypocrites and I am immensely ashamed of them.
If you are Igbo, just know this fact: Your sister Stella Oduah was hounded out of office because she had the guts to fund full internationalization of Enugu airport, all other alleged reasons are conspiracy, old conspiratorial strategy overused to keep Igbo down, which is why they leave SE! Stella had guts (or she may have forgotten what Nigeria is and attempted to work to be fair to SE), they made her pay for it. Tomorrow, other Igbo will not dare try her guts in federal position.
Your type cannot know this because even if the evidence was thrust into your face, you will prefer to ignore it and instead look for another reason that indict Igbo for it. It is called COWARDICE. It is not new.

Ndigbo have been unimaginably patient with Nigeria, and yes they hoped that the idea of a Jonathan's presidency would have ushered in a new era devoid of born to rule and northern/Islamic chauvinism, but guess what, the OLD GUARD STILL MANAGED TO WIN. We are back in 1984!
The Igbo are tired of all the nonsense, and if you have any guts at all to face the truth you will acknowledge this fact.

Any opportunity that shows up realistically (even if remotely), and even if led by a Kanu, the masses of Igbo will grab at it with both hands!
I hope you saw what happened at Aba on May 30th.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by carnegiefan: 8:39pm On Jun 24, 2015
Rilwayne001:
Nigeria belongs to nobody but everyone, South-east inclusive.

Joe Onwukeme
www.theparadigmng.com/?p=33414&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
The real truth is that Nigeria belongs to Hausa/Fulani; the marauding top predator in the zoo.
Nigeria is worse than a zoo because in a zoo each animal is confined to its own cage; the lion in a lion cage; the porcupine in a porcupine cage etc.
In Nigeria, the lion roams freely and CONSTANTLY kills and devours the porcupines, herbivores, smaller cats, reptiles, etc. In fact each animal is constantly seeking to outwit the other for survival. A true nation is one where there is peace, same values/mindset, same life dreams and life goals.

I wonder where all these lies will lead people like you.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by londoner: 9:00pm On Jun 24, 2015
carnegiefan:
If you are Igbo, just know this fact: Your sister Stella Oduah was hounded out of office because she had the guts to fund full internationalization of Enugu airport, all other alleged reasons are conspiracy, old conspiratorial strategy overused to keep Igbo down, which is why they leave SE! Stella had guts (or she may have forgotten what Nigeria is and attempted to work to be fair to SE), they made her pay for it. Tomorrow, other Igbo will not dare try her guts in federal position.
Your type cannot know this because even if the evidence was thrust into your face, you will prefer to ignore it and instead look for another reason that indict Igbo for it. It is called COWARDICE. It is not new.

Ndigbo have been unimaginably patient with Nigeria, and yes they hoped that the idea of a Jonathan's presidency would have ushered in a new era devoid of born to rule and northern/islamic chauvism, but guess what, the OLD GUARD STILL MANAGED TO WIN. We are back in 1984!
The Igbo are tired of all the nonsense, and if you have any guts at all to face the truth you will acknowledge this fact.

Any opportunity that shows up realistically (even if remotely), and even if led by a Kanu, the masses of Igbo will grab at it with both hands!
I hope you saw what happened at Aba on May 30th.
I say it again...Igbo's chose to neglect Igboland. Even the example of Stella Odua....did she run away to the UK? Or was that passion for the SE converted into an airport? An airport her people can use ( when they do not stubbornly opt to still go and use Lagos airport) ? Did she not make sure airlines did not come and are still wanting to fly from that airport?

Now that is FACT

She puts this KANU madman to shame along with others like her.
She did not have to drop one drop of blood to deliver it either. Our own Igbo govs can term after term swallow any money meant for their states and you people say and do need nothing, but it is instead Yoruba's you want to accuse. When SE govs eat the money and use it build hotels in Abuja or deliver substandard roads that become death traps, what does Kanumadman say?

Why is he looking towards SW and ignoring those administrations in our own region that have refused for many years to build Igboland?

Let Igboland become self sufficient first because talking about succession rubbish.

No one is talking about running after Federal appointments either build, your own region that is what EVERY OTHER TRIBE is doing. Stop giving your best years to others.

Igbo's that troop to Lagos or Kaduna do not do so in search of appointments. It is a long standing trend that has cost the SE region dearly....that is FACT.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by londoner: 9:06pm On Jun 24, 2015
carnegiefan:
The real truth is that Nigeria belongs to Hausa/Fulani; the marauding top predator in the zoo.
Nigeria is worse than a zoo because in a zoo each animal is confined to its own cage; the lion in a lion cage; the porcupine in a porcupine cage etc.
In Nigeria, the lion roams freely and CONSTANTLY kills and devours the porcupines, herbivores, smaller cats, reptiles, etc. In fact each animal is constantly seeking to outwit the other for survival. A true nation is one where there is peace, same values/mindset, same life dreams and life goals.

I wonder where all these lies will lead people like you.
In fact it is some animals that constantly keep going where the lion lives.

If you were to take a minute to look at our region on state, local and community level you will see that we are our own worst enemy. We are to blame for much of what we are experiencing in our region. That is not to say that there is no deliberate keeping down at federal level and that tribalism is not alive and kicking, but it is not as if outside of that we don't work against ourselves in a very peculiar way that even other tribes can't understand.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by kay1one2(m): 9:16pm On Jun 24, 2015
SLIDEwaxie:
U may have laid some valid points, but it's none of my concern...

With all my life, I wish they start a war...

It will be fun, watching them being blown into pieces on CNN...

Do they for once think they are ready for another civil war?

What they failed to realise is that the war will be on their soil again..

I hope they will be annihilated this time..

undecided
Your parents have failed.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by pazienza(m): 9:28pm On Jun 24, 2015
SLIDEwaxie:
U may have laid some valid points, but it's none of my concern...

With all my life, I wish they start a war...

It will be fun, watching them being blown into pieces on CNN...

Do they for once think they are ready for another civil war?

What they failed to realise is that the war will be on their soil again..

I hope they will be annihilated this time..

undecided
Why should Biafra demand for independence be seen as an act of war by you leeches? Why would you plan to annihilate a group simply because they had decided that they have no reason whatsoever to co exist with you? Your annihilation threat is a valid reason why Biafra must exist and justifies the demand for Biafra.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by Mckennedy: 12:27am On Jun 25, 2015
Rilwayne001:
www.theparadigmng.com/?p=33414&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
The fear of Biafra will always remain the beginning of wisdom,,,,what has Nigeria as country benefited we the occupants?
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by carnegiefan: 12:40am On Jun 25, 2015
londoner:
In fact it is some animals that constantly keep going where the lion lives.

If you were to take a minute to look at our region on state, local and community level you will see that we are our own worst enemy. We are to blame for much of what we are experiencing in our region. That is not to say that there is no deliberate keeping down at federal level and that tribalism is not alive and kicking, but it is not as if outside of that we don't work against ourselves in a very peculiar way that even other tribes can't understand.
I shall say it again: you have no stomach for the real truth.
In response to your claim above, I have two names for you to consider; two names that have killed people ALL OVER NIGERIA INCLUDING IGBOLAND: Fulani herdsmen , Boko Haram. Together they have killed at least 40,000 Nigerians in less than 10 years. If I throw in deaths at the hands of Nigerian police the figures skyrocket.
In a sane country, this will not happen.
In Biafra, we shall have real peace.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by MAYOWAAK: 12:43am On Jun 25, 2015
Radio Biafra is an avenue for those with a siege mentality to vent, it must not be banned or sabotaged. -

The call for a ban on Radio Biafra is an irritating distraction for the following reasons.

1. Biafra Radio operators are guaranteed free speech and do not operate on Nigerian airwaves, they are free to agitate for the State of Biafra so long as they do it without violence, call to violence or promote violence against persons, or promote ethnic war against others.

2. Agitation for the State of Biafra is not a crime as individuals/groups can advocate for a right to self determination, what would be wrong is for them to dismember themselves from the territory of the Federal Republic of Nigeria without the consent and agreement of the other federating units. Biafra agitators would have to wage a war against the Federal Republic of Nigeria to do that and would have to be prepared for the consequences (Positive or Negative) of such action.

3. Banning Radio Biafra would just be playing into the agenda of the operators who are making a kill financially from those who buy into whatever agenda they promote, a ban will increase the funding and drive sympathy to the platform.

4. Radio Biafra and other voices should be encouraged to speak openly rather than drive agitators underground.

5. MASSOB (Movement for the Actualisation of the Sovereign State of Biafra ) is a good example of how lame the power base of Biafra agitators are, like most other pretentious platforms, Radio Biafra will end up like MASSOB and should be left to be.

6. Best way to counter the narrative of those who operate Radio Biafra is to treat ALL Nigerians equally irrespective of region, religion, tribe, sex or political affiliation, if that is done, platforms such as Radio Biafra would remain an avenue for those with a siege mentality to vent and let the steam out and they must be allowed to let it out in a peaceful way.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by benjsniper33: 1:17am On Jun 25, 2015
Aegon:
Mr Op, your Igbo name doesn't legitimize your assertions. Anybody can assume any name over the internet to publish politically bent articles. Anyway it doesnt matter your type is inconsequential. Your argument is founded on two major flaws. First radio Biafra started as far as 2011 in London. So what government are you talking about? Are you deliberately trying to misinform the gullible or are you yourself lacking the facts? Either way your have exposed yourself. Second people gathering over an issue is the first step towards any revolution. The civil rights movement, the Russian, French and even the uprising of Hitler in the 1930s all started with these gatherings.
The fight for biafra independence was motivated by ojukwu's selfish penchance for the oil of the Niger-Delta which he felt he could sieze for himself on the miscalculation that he was well read and educated, and that if he utilizes both his educational experience with his military position,he could successfully spearhead a seccession.
But his calculations were wrong, fighting a war requires more than your intelligence and the quantity of your weapons.

And pls and pls, do not compare the biafra "movement" to that of Stalin's Russia and Hitler's Germany, it would be unfair to say that.
Germany and Russia were not fighting to Secede (as compared to Biafra), instead they were fighting to expand their territories and this made them invest massively in war, hahaha.
So my friend comparing biafra to the historical struggles of these giant countries is a big damage to commonsense.
When it comes to Warfare history biafra should doff their red-head warmers for the British, Germans Russians, and even their older bros the Yorubas hahahaha Bleep

Joor ooh grin
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by obailala(m): 12:07pm On Jun 25, 2015
Permit me to break you argument into 3 parts...
1. The northerners will never agree to true federalism
2. Igbos will sell all their properties and investments and return home
3. We shall make Igboland (Biafra) much more attractive to the world than Lagos

zendy:
The northerner will never agree to true federalism or regionalism. The Biafran war was fought because of this very reason. Gowon and Ojukwu signed an agreement in Aburi Ghana where both agreed that Nigeria must be run as a confederation. Gowon returned to Nigeria and realised that what he had just signed was not in tandem with norths overwhelming ambition to control Nigeria. That's why he abandoned the Aburi agreement and created States which forced Ojukwu to declare Biafra. The North will never allow regionalism to ever come back. If a motion for regionalism is moved at the National Assembly tomorrow, you can bet the northerners will gang up and vote it down with their numerical strenght.
Everyone knows the northerners would never support the idea of true federalism for obvious reasons. Everyone also understands the numerical capacity of the north. So what can we do about this?... Remember in the 2011 presidential elections, the northerners overwhelmingly supported Buhari while the entire southern Nigeria rallied behind GEJ. What was the outcome of that election?... GEJ gave Buhari a whooping 10million votes gap, the northern hegemony and numerical advantage was crippled. So how did southern Nigeria achieve that feat?... The answer is simple, UNITY!

Southern Nigeria united and overwhelmingly voted GEJ and the northern dominance was crushed. Fast forward to 2015 elections, it took just 60% of the southwest and 60% of the middle belt to support the northern candidate and the outcome was a historic defeat of the almighty PDP incumbency. In all these, all I am trying to say is that UNITY is the only key that can break the northern numerical advantage. A Warri proverb says, "na cooperation make rice full pot"

Unlike what we had in the 60's before the civil war, today the south-west supports true federalism, the south-south supports true federalism, a major chunk of the middle-belt supports true federalism and the south-east still wants true federalism. Presently, it is not the northern numerical advantage that stops us from achieving true federalism, rather it is the collective foolishness of the entire southern Nigeria to see the need for UNITY in order to achieve this great cause. I am particularly disgusted at the foolishness of some of my Igbo brothers who think the Yorubas are our enemies and who keep preaching hate against the SW. From history, the SW has always been our competitors and never our enemies. One wouldn't require much wisdom to know the difference.


zendy:
As for Igbos and their investment outside Igboland. I have read with constant amusement the way Yorubas say "leave Lagos and your investments and return to the east if you are serious about Biafra". In event of Biafra emerging, I believe that many Igbos will sell up and head home to build their nation. Lagos is just one of the many commercial hubs in the world. It is not the be all and end all of anything. The world is a much bigger place than Lagos. God knows what Lagos will become after Igbos leave it en mass.
Did you just say Igbos would sell all their properties first then head home?... Sell to who?... Where would the funds come from to buy Igbo properties?... I have an aunt who's been trying to sell off her house in Jos so she can relocate permanently to the SE. For the past 3 years she hasn't been able to get a reasonable buyer yet for a bungalow. But you think ALL Igbos can just automatically place all their businesses and houses and investments all over Nigeria for sale and then buyers would appear instantly with cash?... With over 70% of Igbos living and doing business outside Igboland, do you have the slightest idea of how much investments and properties Igbos have outside of Igboland?... Can the entire Nigerian budget even pay for the properties owned by Igbos outside the SE?... I am sorry to ask this but how old are you and what's your level of education?...

I'm sorry to say this but your current level of reasoning is sadly very common amongst most of the present proponents of Biafra; you guys have not spent a second to imagine the consequences but just keep reasoning like you are in dreamland.

zendy:
We shall make Biafra more attractive to the world than Lagos will ever be and I believe in the ingenuity of my people. Biafra shall emerge as a triumphant nation and we shall take much delight in proving our detractors wrong that we need Nigeria to survive

All Hail Biafra!!!!!!
Finally, you say we shall make Biafra more attractive than Lagos and I ask, "what stops us from making present day Igboland as attractive?"

Are you aware that if we still had reasonable and visionary leaders like Dee Sam Mbakwe leading us in the SE, the SE could have been miles ahead of Lagos by now?... Igbos have been begging successive central governments to build the 2nd Niger bridge and I ask, what stops the 5 Igbo states from coming together and building that bridge once and for all (even if it means placing a toll gate)?... Remember that even the GEJ who eventually wanted to build the bridge was going to put a toll gate to milk Igbos dry for the next 25 years and yet we were praising him. With the present crop of useless stomach politics leaders we have in the SE today, even if we achieve Biafra, what makes you think it would be any better than what we have today?...

Brother, the problem the SE in Nigeria today has is bad leadership and bad representatives and not marginalisation. A close look at Nigeria shows that not just the SE but all other regions are also marginalised by our useless leaders. If we cannot have good leaders today, we cannot still have good leaders even if we split into 100 countries.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by zendy: 1:02pm On Jun 25, 2015
obailala:
Permit me to break you argument into 3 parts...
1. The northerners will never agree to true federalism
2. Igbos will sell all their properties and investments and return home
3. We shall make Igboland (Biafra) much more attractive to the world than Lagos


Everyone knows the northerners would never support the idea of true federalism for obvious reasons. Everyone also understands the numerical capacity of the north. So what can we do about this?... Remember in the 2011 presidential elections, the northerners overwhelmingly supported Buhari while the entire southern Nigeria rallied behind GEJ. What was the outcome of that election?... GEJ gave Buhari a whooping 10million votes gap, the northern hegemony and numerical advantage was crippled. So how did southern Nigeria achieve that feat?... The answer is simple, UNITY!

Southern Nigeria united and overwhelmingly voted GEJ and the northern dominance was crushed. Fast forward to 2015 elections, it took just 60% of the southwest and 60% of the middle belt to support the northern candidate and the outcome was a historic defeat of the almighty PDP incumbency. In all these, all I am trying to say is that UNITY is the only key that can break the northern numerical advantage. A Warri proverb says, "na cooperation make rice full pot"

Unlike what we had in the 60's before the civil war, today the south-west supports true federalism, the south-south supports true federalism, a major chunk of the middle-belt supports true federalism and the south-east still wants true federalism. Presently, it is not the northern numerical advantage that stops us from achieving true federalism, rather it is the collective foolishness of the entire southern Nigeria to see the need for UNITY in order to achieve this great cause. I am particularly disgusted at the foolishness of some of my Igbo brothers who think the Yorubas are our enemies and who keep preaching hate against the SW. From history, the SW has always been our competitors and never our enemies. One wouldn't require much wisdom to know the difference.


Did you just say Igbos would sell all their properties first then head home?... Sell to who?... Where would the funds come from to buy Igbo properties?... I have an aunt who's been trying to sell off her house in Jos so she can relocate permanently to the SE. For the past 3 years she hasn't been able to get a reasonable buyer yet for a bungalow. But you think ALL Igbos can just automatically place all their businesses and houses and investments all over Nigeria for sale and then buyers would appear instantly with cash?... With over 70% of Igbos living and doing business outside Igboland, do you have the slightest idea of how much investments and properties Igbos have outside of Igboland?... Can the entire Nigerian budget even pay for the properties owned by Igbos outside the SE?... I am sorry to ask this but how old are you and what's your level of education?...

I'm sorry to say this but your current level of reasoning is sadly very common amongst most of the present proponents of Biafra; you guys have not spent a second to imagine the consequences but just keep reasoning like you are in dreamland.

Finally, you say we shall make Biafra more attractive than Lagos and I ask, "what stops us from making present day Igboland as attractive?"

Are you aware that if we still had reasonable and visionary leaders like Dee Sam Mbakwe leading us in the SE, the SE could have been miles ahead of Lagos by now?... Igbos have been begging successive central governments to build the 2nd Niger bridge and I ask, what stops the 5 Igbo states from coming together and building that bridge once and for all (even if it means placing a toll gate)?... Remember that even the GEJ who eventually wanted to build the bridge was going to put a toll gate to milk Igbos dry for the next 25 years and yet we were praising him. With the present crop of useless stomach politics leaders we have in the SE today, even if we achieve Biafra, what makes you think it would be any better than what we have today?...

Brother, the problem the SE in Nigeria today has is bad leadership and bad representatives and not marginalisation. A close look at Nigeria shows that not just the SE but all other regions are also marginalised by our useless leaders. If we cannot have good leaders today, we cannot still have good leaders even if we split into 100 countries.
I don't think you are looking at the bigger picture here. I'm well aware that in the event of the emergence of Biafra, Igbos will suffer and make incredible sacrifices. But this is all about the future not the past. I know my people. Igbos are a resilient people. They are known to make something out of nothing. Ordinarily, what should obtain is that Biafra would immidiately join "ECOWAS" and guarantee that any Biafran can travel or live anywhere in west-Africa including Nigeria without need for a Visa. That's what the 'ECOWAS' in front of the Nigerian passport is their to remind everybody. However, we have to be prepared for anything. In the event of Biafra,we may have difficulty converting stocks and property to cash,we may even lose certain immovable investments but that is the price of freedom. God knows many people have paid a much higher price to be free. South Sudan fought for over 20 years and lost millions of lives to get the freedom they enjoy today. What matters is the future. Nigeria is cess-pit of deciet and incompetence bordering on the absurd. It has never worked as a nation and never will, not even if you make his Holliness, the Pope president. We have way too different personal interests and no one really has a 'Nigerian interest'. We cannot continue with this "British invented" hopeless faliure of a nation. Biafra represents hope, a new dawn,return of sovereignty and autonomy and freedom. It represents the right of choice and the opportunity to make a fresh start and to bring Governance closer to home. We cannot give up the the opportunity to administer our selves just because the way will be frought with hardship,danger and uncertainty. The average Igbo man goes through all of that in strange lands all over the world every day. Biafra, must come and the 'disaster' created by Lugard 100 years ago called Nigeria must come to an inglorious end.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by asha80(m): 1:18pm On Jun 25, 2015
zendy:
I don't think you are looking at the bigger picture here. I'm well aware that in the event of the emergence of Biafra, Igbos will suffer and make incredible sacrifices. But this is all about the future not the past. I know my people. Igbos are a resilient people. They are known to make something out of nothing. Ordinarily, what should obtain is that Biafra would immidiately join "ECOWAS" and guarantee that any Biafran can travel or live anywhere in west-Africa including Nigeria without need for a Visa. That's what the 'ECOWAS' in front of the Nigerian passport is their to remind everybody. However, we have to be prepared for anything. In the event of Biafra,we may have difficulty converting stocks and property to cash,we may even lose certain immovable investments but that is the price of freedom. God knows many people have paid a much higher price to be free. South Sudan fought for over 20 years and lost millions of lives to get the freedom they enjoy today. What matters is the future. Nigeria is cess-pit of deciet and incompetence bordering on the absurd. It has never worked as a nation and never will, not even if you make his Holliness, the Pope president. We have way too different personal interests and no one really has a 'Nigerian interest'. We cannot continue with this "British invented" hopeless faliure of a nation. Biafra represents hope, a new dawn,return of sovereignty and autonomy and freedom. It represents the right of choice and the opportunity to make a fresh start and to bring Governance closer to home. We cannot give up the the opportunity to administer our selves just because the way will be frought with hardship,danger and uncertainty. The average Igbo man goes through all of that in strange lands all over the world every day. Biafra, must come and the 'disaster' created by Lugard 100 years ago called Nigeria must come to an inglorious end.
you call what is happening in south Sudan today 'enjoying freedom '?do you know what is actually happening is south Sudan today?make use of google my friend and believe many igbos who are at least comfortable will never subscribe to this your 'resilience' talk after crawling back after the civil war..
No one is that passed through that is ready to go through that process again
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by zendy: 1:33pm On Jun 25, 2015
londoner:
I say it again...Igbo's chose to neglect Igboland. Even the example of Stella Odua....did she run away to the UK? Or was that passion for the SE converted into an airport? An airport her people can use ( when they do not stubbornly opt to still go and use Lagos airport) ? Did she not make sure airlines did not come and are still wanting to fly from that airport?

Now that is FACT

She puts this KANU madman to shame along with others like her.
She did not have to drop one drop of blood to deliver it either. Our own Igbo govs can term after term swallow any money meant for their states and you people say and do need nothing, but it is instead Yoruba's you want to accuse. When SE govs eat the money and use it build hotels in Abuja or deliver substandard roads that become death traps, what does Kanumadman say?

Why is he looking towards SW and ignoring those administrations in our own region that have refused for many years to build Igboland?

Let Igboland become self sufficient first because talking about succession rubbish.

No one is talking about running after Federal appointments either build, your own region that is what EVERY OTHER TRIBE is doing. Stop giving your best years to others.

Igbo's that troop to Lagos or Kaduna do not do so in search of appointments. It is a long standing trend that has cost the SE region dearly....that is FACT.
Stop talking like someone who lives inside a box. If Igbos have neglected Igboland, can't you see that Biafra will reverse that trend? You talked about being self sufficient first, what nation on earth have you ever seen that is self sufficient? There comes a time everyone one has to strike out on their own no matter the consequence. The day I left my parents house, I had less than N400 in my pocket but that did not stop me from believing in my self. Kanu no doubt is an over zealous chap,but it understandable. He is a hardcore Biafran. I may not agree with some of his statements about agressive violence but I do agree that there may be no other way to achieve Biafra except through violence. It was with violence and intimidation that Lord Lugard used his "west African Fronteer force" to create Nigeria and it may well be that Nigeria will need violence to be dissolved. Either way, we must have Biafra.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by zendy: 1:45pm On Jun 25, 2015
asha80:
you call what is happening in south Sudan today 'enjoying freedom '?do you know what is actually happening is south Sudan today?make use of google my friend and believe many igbos who are at least comfortable will never subscribe to this your 'resilience' talk after crawling back after the civil war..
No one is that passed through that is ready to go through that process again
What is happening in South Sudan is being engineered by Sudan same way that what is happening in Ukraine is being orchestrate by Russia. It's all about 'grabbing territory'. As I said before, no new nation has it easy. Not even America had it easy after winning their war of indepedence against Britain, but today they are the greatest nation on earth. I'm sure that many Igbos will not like the idea of Biafra, unfortunately for them, they are in a minority of maybe 10 to 15%. They will have go with the will of the vast majority of Igbos who are completely disenchanted with Nigeria. I wish Nigeria was a civilised Country like Britain that created it who offered Scottish people a referendum last year,but it not. The alternative might just be a violent break up.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by asha80(m): 2:15pm On Jun 25, 2015
zendy:
What is happening in South Sudan is being engineered by Sudan same way that what is happening in Ukraine is being orchestrate by Russia. It's all about 'grabbing territory'. As I said before, no new nation has it easy. Not even America had it easy after winning their war of indepedence against Britain, but today they are the greatest nation on earth. I'm sure that many Igbos will not like the idea of Biafra, unfortunately for them, they are in a minority of maybe 10 to 15%. They will have go with the will of the vast majority of Igbos who are completely disenchanted with Nigeria. I wish Nigeria was a civilised Country like Britain that created it who offered Scottish people a referendum last year,but it not. The alternative might just be a violent break up.
oh so it is no longer south Sudan enjoying freedom but Sudan that is now causing the problems?..by the way your 10 to 15 percent of Igbo that do not want Biafra have you a sample to reach that agreement? Has it occurred to you that there are son Igbo out there that want Biafra but not the way kanu is going about it?really kill kumuyi? Is he mad?take up weapons he tells his followers...weapons to fight who if I may ask?on whose soil os the war going to be fought?Igbo soil?...it I not about a new country having it easy it is about common sense...i was okay when kanu was approaching un but when he started preaching hate and taking up weapons I just put a brake
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by zendy: 3:46pm On Jun 25, 2015
asha80:
oh so it is no longer south Sudan enjoying freedom but Sudan that is now causing the problems?..by the way your 10 to 15 percent of Igbo that do not want Biafra have you a sample to reach that agreement? Has it occurred to you that there are son Igbo out there that want Biafra but not the way kanu is going about it?really kill kumuyi? Is he mad?take up weapons he tells his followers...weapons to fight who if I may ask?on whose soil os the war going to be fought?Igbo soil?...it I not about a new country having it easy it is about common sense...i was okay when kanu was approaching un but when he started preaching hate and taking up weapons I just put a brake
What I mean is that the largely Christian South Sudan are now enjoying autonomy and control of their natural resources which such as oil which the largely Islamic Sudan once denied them. There maybe disagreements between both nations and some skirmishes amongst the former war lords of South Sudan but it pails into signicance when you realise that they have achieved self rule. As for sample rate, I'm an Igbo man on the ground. I don't need a sample rate to tell me what the vast majority of what my people are saying. Amongst the older Igbos of 50+ who witnessed the war, there is near total support for an independent state of Biafra although many hope it will not be achieved by war again. The younger ones, between 18 or to 49 support the emergence of Biafra although some may be divided as to how to go about it. The 15 percent of Igbos who don't support Biafra are largely those who were born or raised outside Igbo land in places like Lagos or Kaduna and have since been 'Yorubanised' or 'Hausanised'. Those ones have lost virtually all link with Igbo land and can't even comprehend the notion of Biafra. Another set of Igbos who detest Biafra are those who have 'fat' off the rot called Nigeria and don't want anything to change. They include Business men, politicians and their hirelings top Governent officials. The last set of Igbos who don't want Biafra are those have adopted 'slave mentality' and are scared about the repercussions of Biafra. They are all in the minority. I listen to Radio Biafra from time to time and even though he is over zealous with his use of words , it's not without reason. That's his method of reaching his people or propaganda method. I disagree with Kanu on the use of violence against someone like Kumuyi. I think violence should only be used if the struggle for Biafra reaches armed conflict level.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by obailala(m): 3:59pm On Jun 25, 2015
zendy:
I don't think you are looking at the bigger picture here. I'm well aware that in the event of the emergence of Biafra, Igbos will suffer and make incredible sacrifices. But this is all about the future not the past. I know my people. Igbos are a resilient people. They are known to make something out of nothing. Ordinarily, what should obtain is that Biafra would immidiately join "ECOWAS" and guarantee that any Biafran can travel or live anywhere in west-Africa including Nigeria without need for a Visa. That's what the 'ECOWAS' in front of the Nigerian passport is their to remind everybody. However, we have to be prepared for anything. In the event of Biafra,we may have difficulty converting stocks and property to cash,we may even lose certain immovable investments but that is the price of freedom. God knows many people have paid a much higher price to be free. South Sudan fought for over 20 years and lost millions of lives to get the freedom they enjoy today. What matters is the future. Nigeria is cess-pit of deciet and incompetence bordering on the absurd. It has never worked as a nation and never will, not even if you make his Holliness, the Pope president. We have way too different personal interests and no one really has a 'Nigerian interest'. We cannot continue with this "British invented" hopeless faliure of a nation. Biafra represents hope, a new dawn,return of sovereignty and autonomy and freedom. It represents the right of choice and the opportunity to make a fresh start and to bring Governance closer to home. We cannot give up the the opportunity to administer our selves just because the way will be frought with hardship,danger and uncertainty. The average Igbo man goes through all of that in strange lands all over the world every day. Biafra, must come and the 'disaster' created by Lugard 100 years ago called Nigeria must come to an inglorious end.
Sometimes I just wonder the kind of utopian dreamland some people live in that make them churn out these Wonderland fairy tales. You just said I should look at the bigger picture yet you have been basing your arguments on illusions and not reality. Can you convince me why I or Emeka or Chibuzor or Kelechi or any other hardworking Igbo son living and hustling happily outside Igboland should make such huge economic sacrifice at this very time all just to satisfy the greed of a few political elite?... Why exactly should I make this sacrifice?...

You just live in a fantasy world and assume all our problems would be solved when we change our name to Biafra. You tried to assure me that because Biafra would be a part of ECOWAS, then I can move around freely without a passport. Is it not in this same country that Lagos state deported destitute non-indigenes and then you think that cannot happen when we impose an international border?... Is it not within this same country that Akwa-Ibom, Anambra and Rivers States deported non-indigenes?.... Was Ghana not a part of ECOWAS when a democratic Nigeria deported millions of Ghanaians in the 'Ghana-Must-Go' saga?... Is Niger Republic not a member of ECOWAS, yet every now and then, we deport their destitute?

With the present Igbo-phobia prevalent in Nigeria (which is obviously fuelled by some of our unnecessary SUPERIORITY COMPLEX), do you think other Nigerian ethnic groups (including the Ijaws) are very happy with Igbos?... With the prevailing Igbo phobia, if you are still 100% sure that Nigeria would be very friendly and cordial with Igbos even after we forcefully break away to form Biafra, then you must be living in a fantasy world called 'Wonderland.'

I maintain and I will continue to maintain that the problem of Igbos is a lack of good leaders. There is absolutely no zone in Nigeria that is not as marginalised as the SE and we need to stop this paranoid attitude of always feeling Igbos are most marginalised. If only we could still have visionary and patriotic leaders like Dee Sam Mbakwe, SE Nigeria would have been much more developed than it is today even with the unitary central government we practice today. What we presently need to progress in the SE is true federalism and the regional autonomy. In the late 60's, Biafran secession was a good idea considering the pogrom, but seceding and forming a new country now in 2015 would be too detrimental to our existence at this point in time.
Re: Musings On The State Of Biafra - By Joe Onwukeme by asha80(m): 4:10pm On Jun 25, 2015
obailala:
Sometimes I just wonder the kind of utopian dreamland some people live in that make them churn out these Wonderland fairy tales. You just said I should look at the bigger picture yet you have been basing your arguments on illusions and not reality. Can you convince me why I or Emeka or Chibuzor or Kelechi or any other hardworking Igbo son living and hustling happily outside Igboland should make such huge economic sacrifice at this very time all just to satisfy the greed of a few political elite?... Why exactly should I make this sacrifice?...

You just live in a fantasy world and assume all our problems would be solved when we change our name to Biafra. You tried to assure me that because Biafra would be a part of ECOWAS, then I can move around freely without a passport. Is it not in this same country that Lagos state deported destitute non-indigenes and then you think that cannot happen when we impose an international border?... Is it not within this same country that Akwa-Ibom, Anambra and Rivers States deported non-indigenes?.... Was Ghana not a part of ECOWAS when a democratic Nigeria deported millions of Ghanaians in the 'Ghana-Must-Go' saga?... Is Niger Republic not a member of ECOWAS, yet every now and then, we deport their destitute?

With the present Igbo-phobia prevalent in Nigeria (which is obviously fuelled by some of our unnecessary SUPERIORITY COMPLEX), do you think other Nigerian ethnic groups (including the Ijaws) are very happy with Igbos?... With the prevailing Igbo phobia, if you are still 100% sure that Nigeria would be very friendly and cordial with Igbos even after we forcefully break away to form Biafra, then you must be living in a fantasy world called 'Wonderland.'

I maintain and I will continue to maintain that the problem of Igbos is a lack of good leaders. There is absolutely no zone in Nigeria that is not as marginalised as the SE and we need to stop this paranoid attitude of always feeling Igbos are most marginalised. If only we could still have visionary and patriotic leaders like Dee Sam Mbakwe, SE Nigeria would have been much more developed than it is today even with the unitary central government we practice today. What we presently need to progress in the SE is true federalism and the regional autonomy. In the late 60's, Biafran secession was a good idea considering the pogrom, but seceding and forming a new country now in 2015 would be too detrimental to our existence at this point in time.
igbophobia has not always being aboh superiority complex..just had to correct that.
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