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| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Nobody: 9:40am On Jun 27, 2015 |
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| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by kay1one2(m): 9:40am On Jun 27, 2015 |
Do you know how many permanent secretaries are in one department. The minister coordinates them. 2 Likes |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by prospero5(m): 9:42am On Jun 27, 2015 |
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| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by zinosleek(m): 9:45am On Jun 27, 2015 |
We dont really need ministers for this institutions to function, these ministers are suppose to relay what is happening in the ministries to the president but we see it as a very important position because of the status and the Nigeria factor of a way of making it. We need to set our priority right, without these ministers the ministries can function 3 Likes |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by ifyan(m): 9:45am On Jun 27, 2015 |
What is the need of labourers when there is robot. Op you funny 1 Like |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by limamintruth: 9:46am On Jun 27, 2015 |
Saifullah01: The Nigerian Constitution considers it as needful; thus your opinion or mine doesnt matter in this regard. Therefore so long as the constitution hasnt been amended to exclude the office of ministers, the President must comply with the provisions of the constitution and appoint his ministers as soon as possible.  Note that a ministry shall be headed by a minister, not a perm. sec. 1 Like |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Nobody: 9:46am On Jun 27, 2015 |
Let me educate the OP. Forget about the fact that the constitution makes it compulsory....let me tell you why ministers are different from P.S. One, the minister is the policy maker, the thinker of initiative, both for the president and for the ministry...so he is an expert in his field...e.g, finance. While the PS is the chief administrator, managing policy and directive implementations, coordinating processes and guiding the minister towards existing laid down rules and procedures in the civil service. Just to be sure you understand, a court room has a Judge, it also has a Registrar. The judge is only paid to think and decide...not an easy task though. While the registrar is burdened solely by administrative duties of all workers in the court as well as guiding the judge and lawyers on how court procedures have been carried out for donkey years. Any attempt to combine both roles will be counter productive. That explains why science researchers have advised executives not to drive their cars themselves...you cannot be thinking of issues to discuss at the meeting you are going, receiving instantaneous updates, making clear judgments on them and expect to pay perfect attention to both the road and the condition of the car. That is also why, biologically speaking, in the central nervous system, the cerebrum is totally different from the medulla oblongata Your take home from the above is this...the thinker must never be the driver in any organisation...and mr president cannot be the major thinker in all ministerial departments. Second point, it is hard to tell from the outside on why a ministry has not been effective or has successively failed in its mandate....the PS may have stayed for over 15yrs in that service without much exposure to the larger society on how things are being better run. The PS may have run out of new ideas and so may have other civil service colleagues in the system...the minister comes with a 4yrs mandate to turn the fortunes around and is expected to give strong motivation and direction to the team while looking critically into what aspects of bureaucracy has hitherto lampooned the system into the current lacuna thereby reinvigorating the system out of such imbroglio. Thirdly, when a ministry fails and the president wishes to strike them hard, the head is usually the first causality...the question now is...who should bell the cat? A civil servant who may be innocent and has put in over 25 years of hard work into the system? Or a recently appointed minister who maybe innocent but still has his own livelihood to fall back on? I leave the answer to your judgment. My final point is this...you cannot keep running things same way and expect a different result, if you want change, change the head. And that is why the constitution has made every ministry to be headed by someone who is changeable and not someone who is permanent. I rest my case 21 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by olayemigod(m): 9:47am On Jun 27, 2015 |
Agreed but I am sure that if not for the constitution, Buhari may not appoint ministers |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by luvinhubby(m): 9:48am On Jun 27, 2015 |
There is a part of our constitution called Federal Executive Council (FEC), whose job is to formulate policies that are relevant to day to day running if Nigeria & advice the president accordingly. These policies are approved at the weekly council meetings & the perm secs & DG's carry out the administrative aspect of these policies. 1 Like |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by nationwide1(m): 9:49am On Jun 27, 2015 |
Kenai:Do you know why it is so? These people can't think for themselves anymore. Politicians think for them. Anything APC / Buhari for them is correct no matter how silly, illogical and myopic it looks. I weep for the youth of today in Nigeria. 1 Like |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Kunlexity(m): 9:50am On Jun 27, 2015 |
Have said it in different fora that minister has nothing to do with good and effective governance....I see Ministers has mere political jobbers and waste of space.The main purpose of appointing them is to reward them for the job well done during electioneering campaigns.All what minister does is to approve and award mouthwatering contracts to their cronies with the aim of siphoning the contract fund and conractors end up in doing virtually nothing.DG's,Perm sec's and other civil servants in the ministries 'r the one doin real work in ministries.....Minister will come and go! 1 Like |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by ncolumella(m): 9:51am On Jun 27, 2015 |
Our government and mismanagement |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by ncolumella(m): 9:52am On Jun 27, 2015 |
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| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Segadem(m): 9:52am On Jun 27, 2015 |
myklangelo:with kindergarten analysis u made up here, u think your blog worth visiting? |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Nobody: 9:53am On Jun 27, 2015 |
You need ministers for policy direction and implementation. The ministers are part of the bureaucracy. You might say permanent secretaries understand policy implementation process but they don't have the political knowledge about policy implementation. Since the business of government is highly politicized, an administrative staff like the permanent secretary cannot be duly certified to carry out the duty of a minister. 2 Likes |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by nationwide1(m): 9:54am On Jun 27, 2015 |
Saifullah01:For you anything APC / Buhari is correct no matter how silly, illogical and myopic it seems. Do you know that you're subconsciously or consciously supporting dictatorship? Do you know Buhari swore to adhere to the constitution of the country? Well, NL is full of children these days. 1 Like |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by myklangelo(m): 9:56am On Jun 27, 2015 |
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| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Matthew95(m): 10:01am On Jun 27, 2015 |
Our nation |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by darmys(f): 10:05am On Jun 27, 2015 |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Miranda11: 10:08am On Jun 27, 2015 |
Most of the perm secs are Northerners so how will Fed Xter be satisfied if they are to replace ministers and head the ministries. If the constitution is to be amended to do away with ministers, then it will also follow that the civil service rules for promotion to perm sec must also be reviewed to ensure that Fed Xter is satisfied whilst also considering merit. |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by shawwal1(m): 10:13am On Jun 27, 2015 |
atbu1983: Absolutely true |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Nobody: 10:22am On Jun 27, 2015 |
atbu1983: Not entirely true. Some ministers are put there to actually do things. Like a former Minister of State for health in GEJ's admin...who was appointed to improve PHC delivery.(Left the job for Harvard.....wicked Americans...poaching our best people!). And of course...who has forgotten the former Minister of Agriculture.....technocrat par excellence. |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by ExtraUniqueGuy(m): 10:23am On Jun 27, 2015 |
Saifullah01:that foolish thought did not cross your mind throughout Gej's tenure |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Realdeals(m): 10:24am On Jun 27, 2015 |
What people do not know is that ministers are just figurehead in the ministry, they cannot sign cheque. I believe PMB is comfortable working permanent secretary, they are the technocrats |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by nwaanambra1(m): 10:25am On Jun 27, 2015 |
Saifullah01: KB i don catch u!!!  so u are on Nairaland! so after we discussed this topic yesterday u now come and create a thread for it on Nairaland! u badt! like i told u, i think ministers are a big time waste of resources, it should be done away with. Perm secs do all the job while one political appointee chop all the money. Nigeria doesn't have the resources to support such wastage anymore - the national assembly should raise a bill to nullify ministerial appointments. my opinion. |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by sweetgala(m): 10:28am On Jun 27, 2015 |
Saifullah01: Perm secretaries are civil servants who are part of an institution, partisan in activities ideally. Ministers assist to translate the present governments policies, the main requirements would be to synergize the multiple departments and ministries and centralise the system so all efforts provide improved results. The ideas to reduce the number of ministers to 19 is good we might even be able to skim it down further, the perm secs can either act as junior ministers or a shadow government system can be instigated by the opposition who can deputise 1 Like |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by ruffDiamond: 10:29am On Jun 27, 2015 |
Saifullah01:my thought. ENTIRELY! I hope to hell buhari won't interfere when efcc (a more bolder efcc pls!)comes for all those thieves jugular |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Okaka27(m): 10:31am On Jun 27, 2015 |
BUHARIWILLWIN:TANoids?? 1 Like |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by nwaanambra1(m): 10:32am On Jun 27, 2015 |
luvinhubby: since they are the ones to carry out the admin aspect of these policies, i put it to you that they are better equipped to present these policies to the President. being the implementers, they are better equipped and have the technical know-how to circumvent any bottleneck that may be encountered in the implementation of this policies. the minister are simply the middleman who is not supposed to be there in the first instance.  |
| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by anselm791(m): 10:35am On Jun 27, 2015 |
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| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Nobody: 10:36am On Jun 27, 2015 |
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| Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by patrickmuf(m): 10:38am On Jun 27, 2015 |
This is what I wrote on my fb wall couple of days ago... " For small minds here asking for ministerial list and others asking for commissioners, I ask again what the difference in roles of a minister/commissioner from that of a permanent sect... Ministers/commissioners are just political appointees and nothing more in most cases...It's like.placing a crown on top a crown...Totally unnecessary if you oblige me" |
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