₦airaland Forum

ECOTERRORS:
Buhari antecedents predates him today so I'm not suprised about his Northnocratic appointment

barcanista:
Òga Federal Character may or may not be enforced by the government in power except where speccified (eg min number of Ministers per state). How many of GEJ appointees were from his Bayelsa state? how many are Ijaws? Which key sector was the North marginalised? What GEJ did was to give fair sharing of office. In fact only the Yorubas can complain of "not getting enough" among the r majority ethnic groups.

bayooooooo:
The OP is employing psychology or sophistry to manipulate gullible folks. Why do you have SE, SS, and SW without corresponding NE, NW, NC?
Also, if there are as many as 500 departments and agencies, it would be erroneous to make an inference based on mere nine appointments. What trend can one see in nine out of about a thousand appointments to make? Your representative sample (about 45 appointments) is also too small and flawed to make any meaningful inference. In addition, many of those names listed are ministers which the president is duty bound, constitutionally, to appoint from their states. It doesn't matter who is ruling, Delta state, for instance must produce a minister. Indeed, all states must produce a minister. Therefore, listing names of ministers to prove impartiality is puerile. Why not wait till Buhari constitute his cabinet and see if he only appoints northerners?

GEJ was a divisive president who never missed an opportunity to advertise his tribalism. Even at a point, OP condemned GEJ's glaring celebration of tribalism. Hear him here:


And this


It's laughable to think a first class tribalist like GEJ could also be described as an impartial president. Some of the reasons he couldn't carry the entire South were not just because he ran a clueless, corrupt and incompetent government, part of them included his glaring tribalism. Nigeria is more than North-South contraption, just because GEJ didn't marginalize the north does not automatically mean he didn't marginalize others even in the South. One man's nationalist can easily be another's tribalist.

barcanista:
The topic you quoted was reaction to GEJ's "Igbos are the pillars of my administration" comment. It has nothing to do with appointment. On why I distinguised SE/SS and SW, it is because the argument employed by you guys was that GEJ morginalised the North and you lumped SE/SS/SW as one and the whole North as one. You guys should distinguish yourself. North is North,

I want you to name ANY sector and I will tell you the Minister and Parastatals that were appointed by GEJ.

Are you saying the South-South ganged up with the South-East to marginalise other regions in the country?

If you compare man for man, the South-West has more people that are better educated with university degrees than the entire South-South. But when you look at the protocol list of the top 20 officials in the country, from the President downwards, there is only one Yoruba man. I am not trying to incite any unnecessary fears, but if all the appointees were chosen based on merit and there was no qualified Yoruba person who could be in that group of 20, I am prepared to concede. But the fact of the matter is that for every one out of those 20, there are thousands of Yorubas who are qualified but were not appointed. If you don’t call that marginalisation, then I don’t know what it is. You can make an excuse that maybe northerners like me are not educated. That was what Edwin Clark said until he had to admit at the National Conference that he was mistaken and he had become aware that the governors were also educated.

The reality is that there was a deliberate machinery set in motion to alienate certain sections of the country; the entire North and the South-West were particularly singled out for marginalisation and, to a large extent, that succeeded. Look at the economy, for instance; it is headed by a woman who started her career as a geographer that was bundled up and shipped to Nigeria to be made Minister of Finance and Coordinating Minister of the Economy. The Governor of the Central Bank of Nigeria is an Igbo man. Within the CBN, there is an agency called the Assets Management Company of Nigeria. For the most part, it has been headed by Igbo men. The Nigeria Economic Summit Group is also headed by an Igbo man. The Securities and Exchange Commission, until two months ago, was headed by an Igbo woman. The Manufacturers Association of Nigeria has been headed by an Igbo man.

If you look carefully, you will notice that the movers and shakers of the national economy are Igbos, and not because they are the best or the brightest, but simply because they could not find Ijaw people. Now that this so-called Coordinating Minister of the Economy has driven the economy into a ditch, we are being confronted with economic disaster for which every Nigerian, whether Igbo or non-Igbo will pay a price. We now have the highest level of unemployment in the history of this country, in addition to corruption.

AhmedMustapha:
Okay I think we are speaking of the appointments of PMB in his first 30 days, if you did check the holders of these posts under Jonathan you will find just a little difference... PMB has made just 9 appointments since the 29th of May. He made replacements in the DSS, INEC, DPR, Slot of Accountant General, CSO, State Chief of Protocol, ADC SSA on media and publicity and SA on media and publicity. Those who occupied these slots under Pres. Jonathan were
DG DSS- Ita Ekpenyong(South)
INEC- A.Jega(North)
DPR- George Osahun(South)
Accountant General- Jonah Otunla (South)
CSO- Mr Gordon Ogbuah(South)
State Chief of Protocol- Olutola Onijala(South)
Aide de Camp- Adegbe(North)
SSA on Media and Publicity [GEJ didn't have this but had SSA on public affairs(same functions) ]- Doyin Okupe(South)
SA on media and publicity- Reuben Abati(South)
-So of PMB's nine appointees 8 are northerners, 1 is a southerner.
-Of PGEJ's nine appointees 7 are southerners, 2 are northerners.
So how does that make PGEJ detribalized if PMB is being accused of tribalism for having 8 out of 9 appointees as tribesmen?

bayooooooo:
I have not said GEJ marginalized the North, rather, that you can't show by this simplistic analysis of yours that GEJ was a nationalist president and a detribalized (if such a thing exists) Nigerian. Also, that a mere nine appointments do not show the South has been marginalized especially by a man who is yet to constitute boards, parastatals, agencies and even name his cabinet. How is that difficult to understand? If Buhari names another nine appointments from the South next week, by your logic, he will be a detribalized Nigerian. Not so? And what happens a week after when he names another ten from the North, he would revert to a tribalist? Why not wait and have a thorough analysis when different boards have been constituted?

Two, neither the south nor the North is monolithic. The mere notion that GEJ didn't marginalize the North does not mean he didn't indulge in favoritism or marginalization of others even within the South. How is that also difficult to understand? He himself admitted that he favored Igbo and the next question would or should be relative to who? Nigeria is more than a stereotypical North-South relations. That should not be difficult to understand.

I think it's an open secret that GEJ was a divisive president. Many took him up on this issue including an excerpts below:


http://www.punchng.com/politics/crossfire/history-will-not-favour-jonathan-junaid-mohammed/

barcanista:
Stop trying to sound clever. The Director DPR wasn't part of GEJ first appointment. Aliyu Giusau NSA(North) was among the first prominent appointment of GEJ in March 2010. Attahiru Jega was appointed in June 2010,

George Osahun was appointed Dir DPR in 2013. The first DPR di®ector appointed by Jonathan is Mr. Osten Oluyemisi
Olurunsola from Kogi state. He serveved between 2011 and 2013.

Ibrahim Dankwambo(North) was the Accountant General under Jonathan until when he left to contest Governorship election.

Mohammed Jameel was GEJ's chosen State Chief of Protocol, Olutola Onijala was not appointed by Jonathan

barcanista:
GEJ can be accused of anything but not marginalising the North. The only people that can complain is the SW but it wasn't that bad. It is a shame that some people in the North are poised to rewrite history that we all witnessed.

AhmedMustapha:
These ones that have been appointed by PMB may still be replaced later on so there isn't a problem. If PMB factored in the competencies of those under him, he would remain unruffled by the negative perceptions of some Nigerians... Humans see only what they want to see. At least I still remember Dr Dora Akunyili for her achievements at NAFDAC. The day she indicated interest in the senatorial seat of Anambra was the very day I got to know she was a native of the state.

francizy:
If you like kill yaself for them, you've done nothing tangible but once you're one of them and do nothing for them, then you're a messiah..

barcanista:
How smart are you guys?
Finance Ministry- Igbo Woman
National Planning- North
Trade and Investment- Yorubaman

Your article alleged that CBN is headed by Igboman, but the CBN was only headed by Igboman just one year ago. Under Jonathan administration, Sanusi held sway for 4years and 1year under Yar'adua.
Your Article made mention of SEC DG being Igbo woman (until the Hausa woman) but it forgot to make mention of Commissioner National Insurance Commission -Fola Daniel (SW), Exec Chairman FIRS- Kabir Mashi (North), MD National Deposit Insurance Commission- Alj Umaru Ibrahim (North) aÑd other parastatals within the Finance Ministry.

Shamefully, your article also blamed GEJ that MAN President is Igbo. MAN is a Professional Association and their members elect their President. What has GEJ got to do with it? Your article further blamed Jonathan that a professional think-tank NÉDG appointed/elected an Igboman to lead them. How does that affect Jonathan?

bayooooooo:
The OP is employing psychology or sophistry to manipulate gullible folks. Why do you have SE, SS, and SW without corresponding NE, NW, NC?
Also, if there are as many as 500 departments and agencies, it would be erroneous to make an inference based on mere nine appointments. What trend can one see in nine out of about a thousand appointments to make? Your representative sample (about 45 appointments) is also too small and flawed to make any meaningful inference. In addition, many of those names listed are ministers which the president is duty bound, constitutionally, to appoint from their states. It doesn't matter who is ruling, Delta state, for instance must produce a minister. Indeed, all states must produce a minister. Therefore, listing names of ministers to prove impartiality is puerile. Why not wait till Buhari constitute his cabinet and see if he only appoints northerners?

GEJ was a divisive president who never missed an opportunity to advertise his tribalism. Even at a point, OP condemned GEJ's glaring celebration of tribalism. Hear him here:


And this


It's laughable to think a first class tribalist like GEJ could also be described as an impartial president. Some of the reasons he couldn't carry the entire South were not just because he ran a clueless, corrupt and incompetent government, part of them included his glaring tribalism. Nigeria is more than North-South contraption, just because GEJ didn't marginalize the north does not automatically mean he didn't marginalize others even in the South. One man's nationalist can easily be another's tribalist.

Firefire:
Hope am not later ?

AhmedMustapha:
Okay I think we are speaking of the appointments of PMB in his first 30 days, if you did check the holders of these posts under Jonathan you will find just a little difference... PMB has made just 9 appointments since the 29th of May. He made replacements in the DSS, INEC, DPR, Slot of Accountant General, CSO, State Chief of Protocol, ADC SSA on media and publicity and SA on media and publicity. Those who occupied these slots under Pres. Jonathan were
DG DSS- Ita Ekpenyong(South)
INEC- A.Jega(North)
DPR- George Osahun(South)
Accountant General- Jonah Otunla (South)
CSO- Mr Gordon Ogbuah(South)
State Chief of Protocol- Olutola Onijala(South)
Aide de Camp- Adegbe(North)
SSA on Media and Publicity [GEJ didn't have this but had SSA on public affairs(same functions) ]- Doyin Okupe(South)
SA on media and publicity- Reuben Abati(South)
-So of PMB's nine appointees 8 are northerners, 1 is a southerner.
-Of PGEJ's nine appointees 7 are southerners, 2 are northerners.
So how does that make PGEJ detribalized if PMB is being accused of tribalism for having 8 out of 9 appointees as tribesmen?

bayooooooo:
I have not said GEJ marginalized the North, rather, that you can't show by this simplistic analysis of yours that GEJ was a nationalist president and a detribalized (if such a thing exists) Nigerian. Also, that a mere nine appointments do not show the South has been marginalized especially by a man who is yet to constitute boards, parastatals, agencies and even name his cabinet. How is that difficult to understand? If Buhari names another nine appointments from the South next week, by your logic, he will be a detribalized Nigerian. Not so? And what happens a week after when he names another ten from the North, he would revert to a tribalist? Why not wait and have a thorough analysis when different boards have been constituted?

Two, neither the south nor the North is monolithic. The mere notion that GEJ didn't marginalize the North does not mean he didn't indulge in favoritism or marginalization of others even within the South. How is that also difficult to understand? He himself admitted that he favored Igbo and the next question would or should be relative to who? Nigeria is more than a stereotypical North-South relations. That should not be difficult to understand.

I think it's an open secret that GEJ was a divisive president. Many took him up on this issue including an excerpts below:


http://www.punchng.com/politics/crossfire/history-will-not-favour-jonathan-junaid-mohammed/

bayooooooo:
The OP is employing psychology or sophistry to manipulate gullible folks. Why do you have SE, SS, and SW without corresponding NE, NW, NC?
Also, if there are as many as 500 departments and agencies, it would be erroneous to make an inference based on mere nine appointments. What trend can one see in nine out of about a thousand appointments to make? Your representative sample (about 45 appointments) is also too small and flawed to make any meaningful inference. In addition, many of those names listed are ministers which the president is duty bound, constitutionally, to appoint from their states. It doesn't matter who is ruling, Delta state, for instance must produce a minister. Indeed, all states must produce a minister. Therefore, listing names of ministers to prove impartiality is puerile. Why not wait till Buhari constitute his cabinet and see if he only appoints northerners?

GEJ was a divisive president who never missed an opportunity to advertise his tribalism. Even at a point, OP condemned GEJ's glaring celebration of tribalism. Hear him here:


And this


It's laughable to think a first class tribalist like GEJ could also be described as an impartial president. Some of the reasons he couldn't carry the entire South were not just because he ran a clueless, corrupt and incompetent government, part of them included his glaring tribalism. Nigeria is more than North-South contraption, just because GEJ didn't marginalize the north does not automatically mean he didn't marginalize others even in the South. One man's nationalist can easily be another's tribalist.

funlord:


Mr man,Note the bolded! I'm tired of explaining to you guys that I am non partisan! Whether pdp or apc! But maybe if they can register OPP then I can reconsider! Always note my posts, I swing both ways! Give the man a chance to make his mistakes 1st then crucify him! If you take a look at my background you would understand my ideology! Nationalism and youth empowerment! That's all I care about!

AhmedMustapha:
But Oga most of the appointments you have up there were made based on the Federal Character stuff na.... When you even compare the appointments PMB has made and those GEJ made they don't look different if you consider the zones of the appointees

barcanista:
I wouldn't have bothered creating this thread but for the deliberate twisting of facts by your people to justify the Northocratic appointment by Pres Buhari.

docsholz:
Detribalised indeed..... He struggled to hide his dislike of yorubas

barcanista:
GEJ can be accused of anything but not marginalising the North. The only people that can complain is the SW but it wasn't that bad. It is a shame that some people in the North are poised to rewrite history that we all witnessed.

fulanimafia:
The North is made up of 3 out of the 6 geopolitical zones so it's impossible to marginalize the North.

Jonathan had no option.

bayooooooo:
The OP is employing psychology or sophistry to manipulate gullible folks. Why do you have SE, SS, and SW without corresponding NE, NW, NC?
Also, if there are as many as 500 departments and agencies, it would be erroneous to make an inference based on mere nine appointments. What trend can one see in nine out of about a thousand appointments to make? Your representative sample (about 45 appointments) is also too small and flawed to make any meaningful inference. In addition, many of those names listed are ministers which the president is duty bound, constitutionally, to appoint from their states. It doesn't matter who is ruling, Delta state, for instance must produce a minister. Indeed, all states must produce a minister. Therefore, listing names of ministers to prove impartiality is puerile. Why not wait till Buhari constitute his cabinet and see if he only appoints northerners?

GEJ was a divisive president who never missed an opportunity to advertise his tribalism. Even at a point, OP condemned GEJ's glaring celebration of tribalism. Hear him here:


And this


It's laughable to think a first class tribalist like GEJ could also be described as an impartial president. Some of the reasons he couldn't carry the entire South were not just because he ran a clueless, corrupt and incompetent government, part of them included his glaring tribalism. Nigeria is more than North-South contraption, just because GEJ didn't marginalize the north does not automatically mean he didn't marginalize others even in the South. One man's nationalist can easily be another's tribalist.

sunnyb0b0:
The south is also made up of 3 geopolitical zones but Buhari is already marginalising the South.

fulanimafia:
Nope.

Femi Adesina is SW, and the rest of PMB'scabinet will reflect the SW significantly. As for the rest of the south, they are already over represented in this government which they never believed in.

PMB does not have their mandate and that a cold hard fact.

sunnyb0b0:
Smh!

And GEJ had the mandate of the North?

bayooooooo:
The OP is employing psychology or sophistry to manipulate gullible folks. Why do you have SE, SS, and SW without corresponding NE, NW, NC?
Also, if there are as many as 500 departments and agencies, it would be erroneous to make an inference based on mere nine appointments. What trend can one see in nine out of about a thousand appointments to make? Your representative sample (about 45 appointments) is also too small and flawed to make any meaningful inference. In addition, many of those names listed are ministers which the president is duty bound, constitutionally, to appoint from their states. It doesn't matter who is ruling, Delta state, for instance must produce a minister. Indeed, all states must produce a minister. Therefore, listing names of ministers to prove impartiality is puerile. Why not wait till Buhari constitute his cabinet and see if he only appoints northerners?

GEJ was a divisive president who never missed an opportunity to advertise his tribalism. Even at a point, OP condemned GEJ's glaring celebration of tribalism. Hear him here:


And this


It's laughable to think a first class tribalist like GEJ could also be described as an impartial president. Some of the reasons he couldn't carry the entire South were not just because he ran a clueless, corrupt and incompetent government, part of them included his glaring tribalism. Nigeria is more than North-South contraption, just because GEJ didn't marginalize the north does not automatically mean he didn't marginalize others even in the South. One man's nationalist can easily be another's tribalist.

Beremx: