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@hanibal please ponder over this:

"Many non-Muslims, when they think about Islam, picture religious fanatics on camels with a sword in one hand and a Qur'an in the other. This myth, which was made popular in Europe during the Crusades, is totally baseless. First of all, the Holy Qur'an clearly says "Let there be no compulsion in religion".

In addition to this, Islam teaches that a person's faith must be pure and sincere, so it is certainly not something that can be forced on someone. In debunking the myth that Islam was "spread by the sword", the (non-Muslim) historian De Lacy O' Leary wrote: "History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever accepted." (Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923, p. 8.). It should also be known that Muslims ruled Spain for roughly 800 years. During this time, and up to when they were finally forced out, the non-Muslims there were alive and flourishing. Additionally, Christian and Jewish minorities have survived in the Muslim lands of the Middle East for centuries. Countries such as Egypt, Morocco, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan all have Christian and/or Jewish populations. If Islam taught that all people are supposed to be killed or forced to become Muslims, how did all of these non-Muslims survive for so long in the middle of the Islamic Empire?

Additionally, if one considers the small number of Muslims who initially spread Islam from Spain and Morocco in the West to India and China in the East, one would realize that they were far too few to force people to be members of a religion against their will. Additionally, the great empire and civilization established by the Muslims had great staying power -- its citizens were proud to be part of it. The spread of Islam stands in contrast to the actions of the followers of Christianity, who since the time of the Emperor Constantine have made liberal use of the sword - often basing their conduct on Biblical verses. This was especially true of the colonization of South America and Africa, where native peoples were systematically wiped-out or forced to convert. It is also interesting to note that when the Mongols invaded and conquered large portions of the Islamic Empire, instead of destroying the religion, they adopted it. This is a unique occurrence in history - the conquerors adopting the religion of the conquered! Since they were the victors, they certainly could not have been forced to become Muslims! Ask any of the over 1.8 billion Muslims alive in the world today whether they were forced! The largest Muslim country in the world today is Indonesia --- and there were never any battles fought there! So where was the sword? How could someone be forced to adhere to a spiritually rewarding and demanding religion like Islam?"

Source:http://www.islamicweb.com/begin/myth8.htm

themosthigh:
I would rather you explain why there is evill since there is an all powerful merciful god who can prevent it

I haven't said I believe in any GOD now Have I? Am not tryin to argue just want to learn

malvisguy212:
No man can never find peace in religion, only with God. God invented Man and Man invented religion.
God created Man for the express purpose of mutual relationship with him, but gave Man the power of choice and free will. Man chose to break that
relationship and has been trying to find
his own way by inventing religions and
cults of all kinds in an effort to replace
that void left by lack of relationship with
his Creator.
But relationship with God cannot be
found through religion. In fact, religion is the biggest roadblock to seeking a
relationship with God. Religion is simply
Man trying to reach out to God by doing
something that he thinks will please God.
“If I can do enough, say enough, pray
enough, give enough, sacrifice enough
perhaps God will show me favor”. Every
religion is based upon this “WORKS
theology”. Neither ceremony, liturgy,
creeds, sacraments nor money have ever brought one soul into a reconciled
relationship to God.

Christianity is a relationship with God which you cannot get through religions.

your are confused

DMainMan:
hmmn av you heard of Crusaders. How christians kill and force oda people to convert to christianity. spain, granada, serbia and many oda eurooean country were muslim countries. Only bosnia survived in europe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

know your history bro. dont let me dig down through history and present. u wil feel ashamed which i dont want u be.

the crusades were expeditions to free Jerusalem from Muslim oppression.

Alhamdulilahi robil allamin. I'm happy for him.

He's not d first to convert &u won't be d last. Nicolas Anelka did lots of other players.

U are welcome to ISLAM DEEN.

malvisguy212:
No man can never find peace in religion, only with God. God invented Man and Man invented religion.
God created Man for the express purpose of mutual relationship with him, but gave Man the power of choice and free will. Man chose to break that
relationship and has been trying to find
his own way by inventing religions and
cults of all kinds in an effort to replace
that void left by lack of relationship with
his Creator.
But relationship with God cannot be
found through religion. In fact, religion is the biggest roadblock to seeking a
relationship with God. Religion is simply
Man trying to reach out to God by doing
something that he thinks will please God.
“If I can do enough, say enough, pray
enough, give enough, sacrifice enough
perhaps God will show me favor”. Every
religion is based upon this “WORKS
theology”. Neither ceremony, liturgy,
creeds, sacraments nor money have ever brought one soul into a reconciled
relationship to God.

Christianity is a relationship with God which you cannot get through religions.

hence xtianity is not a religion. U r very intelligent but sentiments wont let ur true colour shine. I love Adebayo as a xtian and I still luv him now, religion is a choice and God knows which is Best. Pls stop judging. I am a muslim and i will still b muslim in my next world. #Ilovechristhianityandislam.

malvisguy212:
am not the one to proved the existence of God, YOU , you need to take the first step to believe in Him, the bible say in Romans 10:14;
"14 How, then, can they call on the one
they have NOT BELIEVE IN?And how can
they believe in the one of whom they
have not heard? And how can they hear
without someone preaching to them?"

Faith come by hearing verse 17 and 18:

17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. 18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:
“Their voice has gone out into all the
earth, their words to the ends of the world.”


Truth be told, there may be atheists who are better human being than most so called christians, but can you name one ? Most atheists has no problem legalizing gay .

atheists legalizing gay??that's partly a work of your christian brothers if not then how come we have gay bishops all around??.

malvisguy212:
Islamic juju? . It saddened me. I was born into muslim family, by his grace I am saved.

. U av lost ur path I don't pity u

klax:
Indeed is the way in the hand of boko haram, yes is the sucking way in the hands of ISIS, Yea is the vampire way in the hands of Al Quaeda, Yea is the way in the hands of Al Shabab, indeed the way in Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Somalia, Sudan, Northern Nigeria, Iran, Palestinian and Pakistan very good way indeed. Shameless disgusting things.

I pray for you too to find your way.

Yesterday it was Emenike,today its Adebayo maybe tomorrow it will messi or christiano ronaldo that will convert to islam,some people dont just have work to do other than stay online gossiping,what difference does it make if he converts to islam? as if he was a chritian before,Arrant ninesence.

Then prove that he is a man made idea...how about that?

dalaman:
God remains a man made idea.

Fash20:
Islam is the way. I pray you find your way back.

there are many thing you need to ask your self as a muslim, will God wait for over 600 years before sending muhammed ? The quran say Jesus was not crucified, but Allah made the Jews to believe He was crucified, only to revealed the truth through muhammed, my question is , those who believe Jesus was crucified, before muhammed came, surly they must have died believing Jesus was killed, who will take the blame for their unbelief? Allah or satan ? There are many questions , click my threads and read.

Elxandre:
I'm not in anyway an atheist but I just want to hear your stance.

What happens when one is born in a place like China, Syria, or Saudi Arabia? Would there be any reason to even give christanity a thought?

bible say the Gospel shall be preach and then the end will come. Those who never hered the gospel, they will be judge by there work , the book of revelation make this clear.

madammamus:
Then prove that he is a man made idea...how about that?

No God can be shown to exist on its own independent of human writings and stories and cultural acceptance and human . No God can be shown on its own independent of human influence. Humans must develop stories about all the God ideas they invent. Write it, spread it by telling other humans, create doctrines and enforce them, build places of worship for their Gods and on and on. No God can be shown to exist on it's own without human influence and input. Gods remain human ideas that is why there are different Gods and different religions .

malvisguy212:
bible say the Gospel shall be preach and then the end will come. Those who never hered the gospel, they will be judge by there work , the book of revelation make this clear.

Hear which gospel? You think a muslim or a Hindu that hears the story of Jesus will make any sense out of it? They will have to be indoctrinated first. How many muslims have you converted?

dalaman:
Hear which gospel? You think a muslim or a Hindu that hears the story of Jesus will make any sense out of it? They will have to be indoctrinated first. How many muslims have you converted?

if I preach the gospel, it is the work of the holy spirit to convict them of there guilt, but the spirit will not override their freewill, He will just let you know how much you need His grace and mercy.

@Binb... I ave pondered over those things
but you see... Islam will benefit immensely if muslims like you stop building up defences and living in denial.
Either u deny it or not it is clearly written on d pages of history that d crusades was started by European christians as a means of stopping the advance of the muslims on d holy land ... Jerusalem.
The crusades was never a means of spreading xtianity but a means of defending it... and reclaiming lost territories ( spain)
Your silence on my questions abt how Islam got to Europe, how Islam spread in Arabia and to North Africa
And how pagan mecca became d Islamic capital is deafening .

You can never hear a christian shout "Jesus is Lord" before shooting an AK47.
A sudden shout of Alla hu Akbar in a public transport anywhere in d world will send fear into hearts of d passengers... because the next thing that is likely to follow is d sound of an AK47 or the blast of a bomb.


I know your reply.... they are not muslims, Islam is peace, religion is not compulsion etc etc
And that is d problem with Islam... u deny the obvious instead of addressing it.

On ur allegation dat xtians supported killing with some verses of d bible, Im sure you know d bible has old and new testaments... the commandments of d new testament is love
Jesus never fought any war with swords, no matter how much you want to dispute abt who he really is..
can d same be said of Mohammed?... will it be an historical myth for me to say The prophet was a conqueror?

How did Islam get to southwestern Nigeria, do you remember a man called Usman dan fodio and his fulani jihad?, El kanemi of Bornu?.... are these guys historically absurd myths too?

Bro you will face an uphill task telling me that Islam is peace... because I will present history you cannot deny.

Except that you have decided to call all those written history "absurd myth"

Then maybe we are all "absurd myths"

Elxandre:
You certainly didn't read my comment.

I did.

But if I reply you based on what you typed, we'd argue till dawn.

I get your gist anyway, but it is not supposed to be so.

dalaman:
I never mentioned anything about believing that I evolved from apes you myth believing pig. I do not believe in that. those that believe in it are actually better than you that believe you descended from a Jew that that was created from dust by some weirdo god idea that was living in darkness and sudenly realized he needed light and yelled let there be light. You believe in these childish stories, stick it up you stinking anussss

'And the earth was void and without form and darkness was upon the face of the deep and God said, let there be light'. THis sounds like your bullshittttt that I quoted? Ani you are dull and this is probably the last I'll text you'll get from me. I deal with brilliant atheists like johnydon22 not mumu poverty pushed into atheism mindless chickens likee your royal stuupidity. Nitwit, what then do you believe in? You don't believe in science's theory of how man came into existence? So how did man come? you are just living, you have no purpose.

Actually it is christians that believe in God because of their sad lot in life, every day your pastors preach and tell you lies about how this imaginary entity will better your lives if only you give him money, your God is so incompetent and needy that he needs humans to give him money, yet fools like you still believe he is all powerful, he can't do anything for himself, he is so needy that he needs people to offer things unto him, animals, humans, money and what not. There is nothing like answered prayers to diseased hemorrhoid.Your God answers no prayers that is why you have to do everything others do to get what you want, even at that you still fail at it.

ah swar you are a dullard. What do you even know? Go and tell that to an over 60 years old woman who delivered twins after doctors told her she had no chance of child birth again. She gave the testimony after praying in camp. Tell that again to me who was jaundiced and weak for 3 months at birth that the only viable passage for blood was my head. And oh mumu I got healed after prayers to God. See if you have never received answers don't think everybody is unfortunate like the failure of a lineage that has a virus-infested and diseased
bread crumb of a human like you in its annals.[/quote]

You worship the image of a white man and still call others foolish, well done. Tell your White Jesus to go suck some cock.

Ignoramus, get your facts right, Jesus was born in a white man's land by people from the white race so you are such a cretin and a slow fooool that you don't know white people birth white people.

Sorry why didn't you address the fact that your lineage doesn't exist because you don't have pictures of them. Your grand parents(I guess you saw them and your parents have probably told you abt them if you didn't) fell from the sky eh? Daura President mtchww...

No quote me again abeg you can dull a newly sharpened chain saw.

Esdb3:
'And the earth was void and without form and darkness was upon the face of the deep and God said, let there be light'. THis sounds like your bullshittttt that I quoted? Ani you are dull and this is probably the last I'll text you'll get from me. I deal with brilliant atheists like johnydon22 not mumu poverty pushed into atheism mindless chickens likee your royal stuupidity. Nitwit, what then do you believe in? You don't believe in science's theory of how man came into existence? So how did man come? you are just living, you have no purpose.

Neither the scientists nor the ignorant deluded fools that wrote the bible know the real truth about how life came about. Both are just guessing. I am ok with I don't know unlike you that have been indoctrinated into believing the writings of fools who thought the earth was in existence before the sun was created. You remain an slowpoke cretin.

ah swar you are a dullard. What do you even know? Go and tell that to an over 60 years old woman who delivered twins after doctors told her she had no chance of child birth again. She gave the testimony after praying in camp. Tell that again to me who was jaundiced and weak for 3 months at birth that the only viable passage for blood was my head. And oh mumu I got healed after prayers to God. See if you have never received answers don't think everybody is unfortunate like the failure of a lineage that has a virus-infested and diseased
bread crumb of a human like you in its annals.[

So because some nameless and unknown people were told to tell lies that they received healing at a christian gathering in other to enrich some foolish, lying and deceitful pastor means I should believe the lies? You remain an imbecilic cretin. Didn't you bible recommend prayers for those that are sick? Why are the hospitals filled with christians including pastors? Is there any evidence to show that those that pray to your foolish imaginary God for healing get healed faster than people of other religions or those that have no religion at all? You a senseless

ignoramus, get your facts right, Jesus was born in a white man's land by people from the white race so you are such a cretin and a slow fooool that you don't know white people birth white people.

Sorry why didn't you address the fact that your lineage doesn't exist because you don't have pictures of them. Your grand parents(I guess you saw them and your parents have probably told you abt them if you didn't) fell from the sky eh? Daura President mtchww...

No quote me again abeg you can dull a newly sharpened chain saw.

The Daura President is alive and heading your country you dimwit. I remember when your pastors gathered themselves praying to your dead Jesus to help GEJ win the elections but Allah prevailed over your dead Jesus. You are a fool. I have quoted me tell your imaginary God to come and arrest me you idiotic pig.

malvisguy212:
there are many thing you need to ask your self as a muslim, will God wait for over 600 years before sending muhammed ? The quran say Jesus was not crucified, but Allah made the Jews to believe He was crucified, only to revealed the truth through muhammed, my question is , those who believe Jesus was crucified, before muhammed came, surly they must have died believing Jesus was killed, who will take the blame for their unbelief? Allah or satan ? There are many questions , click my threads and read.

Allah (God) will open your eyes.

malvisguy212:
bible say the Gospel shall be preach and then the end will come. Those who never hered the gospel, they will be judge by there work , the book of revelation make this clear.

Even if they hear, what will spur them into believing their religion isn't the right one?

Jarus:
Obviously. People don't kill or suffer inconvenience in something they don't believe in. Whether what they believe is right or wrong is the issue.

obviously it is wrong to kill innocent people for whatever reason .. either for islam , Christianity , Buddhism etc , it a shame people can say they are helping or fighting for God by blowing up themselves and taking others with them , they even go to mosque and churches to play out their conviction .....is God not powerful to fight for himself , am sure he is more than able
have a great week bruv

ooshinibos:
obviously it is wrong to kill innocent people for whatever reason .. either for islam , Christianity , Buddhism etc , it a shame people can say they are helping or fighting for God by blowing up themselves and taking others with them , they even go to mosque and churches to play out their conviction .....is God not powerful to fight for himself , am sure he is more than able
have a great week bruv

Killing anyone for whatever is not justifiable. Not sure I ever saw anyone say it is justifiable, except the deluded murderers and terrorists themselves.

dalaman:
Neither the scientists nor the ignorant deluded fools that wrote the bible know the real truth about how life came about. Both are just guessing. I am ok with I don't know unlike you that have been indoctrinated into believing the writings of fools who thought the earth was in existence before the sun was created. You remain an slowpoke cretin.

. You are Just plain stuuuupid. Well, the bible is not a single book. It is a compilation of books. That have archaeological dates. It is not a book at all but a manuscript compiled into a book.

Dullard, give your reason for why the sun can't exist before the earth.

So because some nameless and unknown people were told to tell lies that they received healing at a christian gathering in other to enrich some foolish, lying and deceitful pastor means I should believe the lies? You remain an imbecilic cretin. Didn't you bible recommend prayers for those that are sick? Why are the hospitals filled with christians including pastors? Is there any evidence to show that those that pray to your foolish imaginary God for healing get healed faster than people of other religions or those that have no religion at all? I am senseless.

So I was paid to get well too? Dummy. And you know she was paid how? I'll get you her name so you'll look into it though I doubt you can ever get up and find outt cause your miserable life is lost in foolery.

The Daura President is alive and heading your country you dimwit. I remember when your pastors gathered themselves praying to your dead Jesus to help GEJ win the elections but Allah prevailed over your dead Jesus. You are a fool. I have quoted me tell your imaginary God to come and arrest me you idiotic pig.

no pastor who is sane prayed for his success. They only prayed for peace to reign and lots supported Jonathan because he was a christian but asked for God's will to be done. And mumu Allah is arabic for God. When will your brain grow?

rahazaqa:
Well,ok. Can you now tell me how we can be closer to God without religion?

are you a christian? First you must repent.

God is a personal god, In order to get this as a concept, you have to pull back and take a look at it in light of other religions. If you look at other religions, you see gods who do not care about individuals. In other religions the goal is to please their god(s) enough to be accepted into heaven. The love flows one direction: towards the god.

Jesus, however, is different. He comes to
each one of us personally. He reaches
down and speaks to each of us individually and relates to us on a personal level.
This means that he wants to know us as
individuals--that he wants to be loved by us as individuals. That he wants a
relationship with us as individuals. But that relationship means that we have
to both speak (through prayer) and listen (through all the ways that God talks with us). That, ultimately, is what a
relationship is. A give and take; both
speaking and listening.
He wants our love and gives love in
return. That's what a personal relationship is about.

John 1:12-13 NIV
Yet to all who did receive him, to
those who believed in his name, he
gave the right to become CHILDREN OF
GOD — children born not of natural
descent, nor of human decision or a
husband’s will, but BORN OF GOD .

malvisguy212:
there are many thing you need to ask your self as a muslim, will God wait for over 600 years before sending muhammed ? The quran say Jesus was not crucified, but Allah made the Jews to believe He was crucified, only to revealed the truth through muhammed, my question is , those who believe Jesus was crucified, before muhammed came, surly they must have died believing Jesus was killed, who will take the blame for their unbelief? Allah or satan ? There are many questions , click my threads and read.

Oh that's not a problem brother, if they believed in Jesus as a messenger from God his message to worship one God, Allah, not Jesus as a God, cos u wouldn't like your god to be killed now will you?
if u make mistakes in islam Allah is forgiving

malvisguy212:
are you a christian? First you must repent.

God is a personal god, In order to get this as a concept, you have to pull back and take a look at it in light of other religions. If you look at other religions, you see gods who do not care about individuals. In other religions the goal is to please their god(s) enough to be accepted into heaven. The love flows one direction: towards the god.

Jesus, however, is different. He comes to
each one of us personally. He reaches
down and speaks to each of us individually and relates to us on a personal level.
This means that he wants to know us as
individuals--that he wants to be loved by us as individuals. That he wants a
relationship with us as individuals. But that relationship means that we have
to both speak (through prayer) and listen (through all the ways that God talks with us). That, ultimately, is what a
relationship is. A give and take; both
speaking and listening.
He wants our love and gives love in
return. That's what a personal relationship is about.

John 1:12-13 NIV
Yet to all who did receive him, to
those who believed in his name, he
gave the right to become CHILDREN OF
GOD — children born not of natural
descent, nor of human decision or a
husband’s will, but BORN OF GOD .

shut the Bleep up!!!

rahazaqa:
shut the Bleep up!!!

it's a choice, accept or reject.

malvisguy212:
No man can never find peace in religion, only with God. God invented Man and Man invented religion.
God created Man for the express purpose of mutual relationship with him, but gave Man the power of choice and free will. Man chose to break that
relationship and has been trying to find
his own way by inventing religions and
cults of all kinds in an effort to replace
that void left by lack of relationship with
his Creator.
But relationship with God cannot be
found through religion. In fact, religion is the biggest roadblock to seeking a
relationship with God. Religion is simply
Man trying to reach out to God by doing
something that he thinks will please God.
“If I can do enough, say enough, pray
enough, give enough, sacrifice enough
perhaps God will show me favor”. Every
religion is based upon this “WORKS
theology”. Neither ceremony, liturgy,
creeds, sacraments nor money have ever brought one soul into a reconciled
relationship to God.

Christianity is a relationship with God which you cannot get through religions.

You were making a whole lot of sense right up till the very last statement...

og2711:
You were making a whole lot of sense right up till the very last statement...

“The difference between Christianity and every other faith in the world is that all other religions are about man trying to reach up to God. Christianity is about God reaching down to man.

When the disciples ask Jesus to teach them how to pray, Jesus start like this "OUR FATHER " the word our father is a universal language , when you say our father it mean God is your father and we are your brother,we are one family. The moment you say OUR FATHER , you are building a relationship with God and your fellow christians, OUR including the rest of the christians and GOD is our father. Understand?

Religion is a system of beliefs or a code of moral conduct that judges (qualifies or disqualifies) a person based on their adherence and obedience to certain codes, rules, laws, traditions, or the performance of required acts.do you think God will create soo many religion just to confuse us ? Which one is true ?

When Jesus was on the earth, religion was very rampant, as it is today. There was a group of corrupt religious leaders called the Pharisees who had taken the word of God, passed down from Moses and the prophets (the Torah), and written a commentary on it interpreting what the scriptures said (called the Talmud). So removed your self from this people, start calling your self a child of God and me your brother.