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Demmzy15:
OH you meant Isa Al - Masih?! Sorry I didn't know o, why change it to 'masi' na?! What you wrote 'masi' is a Persian word for 'copper'!

jcross19:
some people write it in that form sir okay

Demmzy15:
It's only dumb people like you that do that!

Demmzy15:
It's only dumb people like you that do that!

jcross19:
alhaji? Na you , mr boko haram.

Demmzy15:
What's this about?!

Rilwayne001:
I am not educated, but you on the other hand are educated. Infact you are a professor.



It would be better if you go amd ask them. My question to you now his, did Jesus as you to worship him? Did jesus ask you to believe in trinity?



I can't continue to repeat myself. I have made myself clear up there.



BS.

Trying to digress, isn't it?

Demmzy15:
Bros I saved a page sometimes back, I knew people like this malvisguy212 would bring up gibberish points. A group of Arabia Christians worshipped Mary and even some Christian saints wrote letters warning them!
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malvisguy212:
excellent, you say some Arabia christians worship Mary and even some christians saint's warn them to deceits from the acts? Good, it is crystal clear muhammed got this idea from this Arabia christians and wrote it in the quran because NO place in the bible Jesus ask his followers to worship Mary.NO wonder!!! Quran contradict the bible.

malvisguy212:
there are many places the people wanted to worship the disciples and even the prophet, but they were rebuke BUT Jesus never rebuke thoes who worship Him.

Jesus was worshipped by various people the wise men, the disciples, a leper, a synagogue official, a woman of Canaan, Mother of Zebedee's children, a blind man, angels, and everybody in heaven.
The Bible clearly indicates that God alone is to be worshipped, if this people were wrong Jesus would have rebuke them.

Jesus claimed to have many of the
attributes that God alone possesses.
Jesus claimed to have sent the prophets:

"Therefore, behold, I am sending you
prophets and wise men and scribes;
some of them you will kill and crucify,
and some of them you will scourge in
your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, ( Matthew 23:34)

However, the Old Testament indicates
that God sent the prophets. Therefore,
Jesus was claiming the authority that was previously reserved only for God.

Jesus claimed that His origins are from
heaven, whereas men are from the
world:

"And no one has ascended into heaven,
but He who descended from heaven,
even the Son of Man. ( John 3:13)

And He was saying to them, "You are
from below, I am from above; you are
of this world, I am not of this world.
( John 8:23)

Not only did Jesus claim to come from
heaven, but He said that it was "my
kingdom" Isn't heaven God's kingdom?
that you may eat and drink at My table
in My kingdom, and you will sit on
thrones judging the twelve tribes of
Israel. ( Luke 22:30)

Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of
this world. If My kingdom were of this
world, then My servants would be
fighting, that I might not be delivered
up to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom
is not of this realm." ( John 18:36)

Jesus claimed to have existed before He
was born in Bethlehem:

"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered,
"before Abraham was born, I am!" At
this, they picked up stones to stone him,
but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds. ( John 8:58-59)

The claim included the term "I am" - a
reference God made of Himself when
talking to Moses. The Jews immediately recognized that Jesus was claiming to be God and attempted to stone Him.

Jesus also claimed to have existed
"before the world began":

"And now, Father, glorify me in your
presence with the glory I had with you
before the world began." ( John 17:5)

This statement is an obvious claim to
deity. Not only did Jesus claim to exist
before the creation of the universe, but
He claimed to share the glory of God!
Jesus also claimed that He had "all
authority... in heaven and on earth" and
that everything of God was His.

And Jesus came up and spoke to them,
saying, "All authority has been given to
Me in heaven and on earth." (Matthew
28:18)

I ask a simple question, where in the bible Jesus command it followers to worship Mary ? Were did muhammed got this idea from ? Instead you guys are qouting catholic prayer book for me. The first brother even make sense more than you guys.

Demmzy15:
This guy is damn dumb!!!

Rilwayne001:


[b] Well, you can save all these^ trash in your ass. I have stopped being the type of muslim that would validate the Quran with what was written in the buybull ever since you and plainbibletruth were bursted on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/2172133/question-did-jesus-read-bible/15 Like i said on the thread, I quote: "IT has often been said, that anything may be proved from the Bible, but before anything can be admitted as proved by the Bible, the Bible itself must be proved to be true; for if the Bible be not true, or the truth of it be doubtful, it ceases to have authority, and cannot be admitted as proof of anything." So, you will hardly see me validate anything from the buybull. You can engage me again on this by discussing with me the authenticity of the bible by either referrimg to that thread or starting a new thread here.

The only question I have for you here is that, why is it tthat this your god a.k.a Jesus have no idea when THE HOUR WOULD COME? [/b]

Rilwayne001:
Where did Jesus command you to collect tithe? are catholic christians or not?

Rilwayne001:
Indeed, argueing with a fool will only make one foolish.
Hmmm...this quote comes to mind

' Never argue with an idiot.They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience' - George Carlin

Have a nice day malvis.

malvisguy212:
smh. here is one.

Quran 16:103-104
"We know indeed that they say "It is a
man that teaches him." The tongue of
him they wickedly point to is notable
foreign while this is Arabic pure and
clear. Those who believe not in the Signs of Allah, Allah will not guide them and theirs will be a grievous Penalty." (Yusef Ali's translation) [1]

Why did Muhammad's contemporaries
say that Muhammad borrowed from
other religions or fables? Why do today's scholars make the same exact charge? What is the basis of their accusations and statements? Do they have ground to stand on? I think they Do:

There is a passage in the quran that have it origin in Mishnah.here is it :
This passage is Sura 21:51-71.
The Mishnah passage is found in
Rabbah Genesis.
Here is the Quranic story:

Surah 21:51-71
We formerly bestowed guidance on
Abraham, for We knew him well. He said
to his father and to his people: "What are
these images to which you are so
devoted?" They replied: "They are the
gods our fathers worshipped." He said:
"Then you are your fathers are in the
grossest error." "Is this the truth that you
are preaching," they asked, "or is this but
a jest?" "Indeed," he answered, "Your
Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the
earth. It was He that made them: to this I
bear witness. By the Lord, I will
overthrow your idols as soon as you have
turned your backs." He broke them all in
pieces, except their supreme god, so that
they might return to him. "Who has done
this to our deities?" asked some. "He
must surely be a wicked man." Others
replied: "We have heard a youth called
Abraham speak of them." They said:
"then bring him here in sight of all the
people, that they may act as witnesses."
"Abraham," they said, "was it you who
did this to our deities?" "No," he replied.
"It was their chief who smote them. Ask
them, if they can speak." Thereupon they
turned their thoughts upon themselves
and said to each other: "Surely you are
the ones who have done
wrong." [Confounded as they were, they
said to Abraham:] "You know they cannot
speak." He answered: "Would you then
worship that, instead of God, which can
neither help nor harm you? Shame on
you and on your idols! Have you no
sense?" They cried: "Burn him and
avenge your gods, if you must punish
him!" "Fire," We said, "be cool to
Abraham and keep him safe."

Here is the quote from the Mishnah
Rabbah, Genesis (Noach) (CH 38:11-13)
Vol. 1, pp. 310 -311, Soncino Edition,
Soncino Press London, Editors Dr H
Freedman and Maurice Simon. [28]

13. AND HARAN DIED IN THE PRESENCE
OF HIS FATHER TERAH (XI,28). R Hiyya
said: Terah was a manufacturer of idols.
He once went away somewhere and left
Abraham to sell them in his place. A man
came and wished to buy one. 'How old
are you?' Abraham asked him 'Fifty years'
was the reply 'Woe to such a man!' he
exclaimed. 'You are fifty years old and
would worship a day old object!' At this
he became ashamed and departed.
On another occasion a woman came with
a plateful of flour and requested him,
'Take this and offer it to them.' So he took
a stick and broke them and put the stick
in the hand of the largest. When his
father returned he demanded, 'What
have you done to them?' 'I cannot
concealed it from you' he rejoined. "A
woman came with a plateful of fine meal
and requested me to offer it to them.
One claimed 'I must eat first' while
another claimed 'I must eat first'.
Thereupon the largest arose, took the
stick, and broke them." 'Why do you
make sport of me' he cried out; 'have
they any knowledge!' 'Should not your
ears listen to what your mouth is saying'
he retorted. Thereupon he seized him
and delivered him to Nimrod.
'Let us worship fire' he (Nimrod)
proposed. 'Let us rather worship water',
which extinguishes the fire' replied he.
'Then let us worship water!' ' Let us
rather worship the clouds which bear the
water.' 'The let us worship the clouds!'
'Let us rather worship the winds which
disperse the clouds' 'Let us worship the
wind!' 'Let us worship human beings,
who withstand the wind' 'You are just
bandying words' he exclaimed; 'We will
worship naught but fire. Behold, I will
cast you into it, and let the God whom
you adore come and save you from it.
Now Haran was standing there
undecided. If Abram is victorious, (he
thought), I will say that I am of Abram's
belief, while if Nimrod is victorious I will
say that I am on Nimrod's side. When
Abram descended into the fiery furnace
and was saved, he (Nimrod) asked him,
'of whose belief are you?' 'Of Abram's' he
replied. Thereupon he seized and cast
him into the fire; his inwards were
scorched and he died in his father's
presence. Hence it is written, AND
HARAN DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ('AL
PENE) HIS FATHER TERAH.

malvisguy212:
Quran claims that one
night, God took Muhammad to the "al-
Aqsa" mosque is in Jerusalem:

"Exalted is He who took His Servant by
night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-
Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings
We have blessed, to show him of Our
signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the
Seeing." - Quran 17:1

The Muslim army conquered Jerusalem
in 637 AD and the al-Aqsa mosque was
completed in 705 AD. The problem with
the above passage in the Quran is that
Muhammad died in 632 AD, which was 5
years before the Muslim army reached
Jerusalem and 73 years before the al-
Aqsa mosque was built.

[b](the earth has been made for me a "masjid"
means a place for prostration, i.e., prostration is not restricted to any particular place of the earth. It may also be a metaphor of a construction built for prayer. This is due to the fact that once prayer is authorized everywhere on earth it becomes like a mosque for that purpose. Ibn al-Tin said: "The earth has been made for me a masjid and a means of purification" both were given to the Prophet, peace be upon him, while it was only a place for worship for others and was not a means of purification, because Jesus used to walk around and pray whenever prayer was due. Al-Dawudi said likewise before him. It was also said that they [the previous generations] were authorized to perform prayer in places known for sure to be pure, whereas this ummah is authorized to pray anywhere on earth except in the places known for sure to be impure. The strongest opinion is that of al-Khattabi who says that earlier nations were authorized to perform prayer in special places like synagogues and churches. This is confirmed by the wording of the narration of Ibn Shu`ayb "And before me people prayed in their churches." This is a controversial[?] wording but the specificity was established [??]. This is supported by the narration of al-Bazzar from the hadith of Ibn `Abbas similar to the present hadith which includes "Prophets did not pray until they reached their chamber".[/b]

Demmzy15:
Mosque in Arabic is known as 'Masjid' which can be translated as "place of prostration" So when you hear the word 'Masjid' it doesn't necessarily mean a building with a dome! The Prophet also made mention of something similar when he said the earth as a whole is a Masjid for him(hadith #323 in Sahih al-Bukhari).


Correct!


Any place on the earth is a masjid for Muslims. Therefore, whether there was a building or not when the Prophet made his heavenly trip, it is the location of the "Farthest Mosque" that is intended by the verse and not a building per se because the location where it lies was blessed by God as mentioned in verse 17:1 "the Farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless".

Imam Ibn Hajar confirms this opinion in Fath al-Bari (his commentary on Sahih al-Bukhari):

[b](the earth has been made for me a "masjid"
means a place for prostration, i.e., prostration is not restricted to any particular place of the earth. It may also be a metaphor of a construction built for prayer. This is due to the fact that once prayer is authorized everywhere on earth it becomes like a mosque for that purpose. Ibn al-Tin said: "The earth has been made for me a masjid and a means of purification" both were given to the Prophet, peace be upon him, while it was only a place for worship for others and was not a means of purification, because Jesus used to walk around and pray whenever prayer was due. Al-Dawudi said likewise before him. It was also said that they [the previous generations] were authorized to perform prayer in places known for sure to be pure, whereas this ummah is authorized to pray anywhere on earth except in the places known for sure to be impure. The strongest opinion is that of al-Khattabi who says that earlier nations were authorized to perform prayer in special places like synagogues and churches. This is confirmed by the wording of the narration of Ibn Shu`ayb "And before me people prayed in their churches." This is a controversial[?] wording but the specificity was established [??]. This is supported by the narration of al-Bazzar from the hadith of Ibn `Abbas similar to the present hadith which includes "Prophets did not pray until they reached their chamber".[/b]

The building you're referring to that was built after the Prophet's death is called 'Dome Of The Rock' and I attach some photos below. I also attached photos of 'Masjids' in occupied Palestine!

malvisguy212:
masjid is mosque in English, And the quranic verse I provide indicate
the name of the masjid (mosque) is al-
asqa mosque , the al-asqa mosque was not build as at that time.

Demmzy15:
I didn't just bring up the definition from my head, I gave proofs. "Masjid" means "place of prostration". Read my posts again, stop deluding yourself. I guess you're shocked that a Muslim could have replied you right?!

malvisguy212:
yes, masjid is a place of worship and Al-asqa is the building located in Jerusalem.

Demmzy15:
Stop acting dumb and look at the pictures!

malvisguy212:
smh

Demmzy15:
Please shake it vigorously, make sure it doesn't fall o!

malvisguy212:
[s]"Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing." - Quran 17:1

Maby muhammed ressurect .how you guy read the quran ? The Muslim army conquered Jerusalem
in 637 AD and the al-Aqsa mosque was
completed in 705 AD. The problem with
the above passage in the Quran is that
Muhammad died in 632 AD, which was 5years before the Muslim army reached
Jerusalem and 73 years before the al-
Aqsa mosque was BUILT.[/s]