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Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 8:42pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davidylan:True and i guess the term "building block" does not apply when proteins are the catalysts involved in most of its operations... How does that change things....another god of the gaps arguement... All day you've not given one scientific notion of ID and you claim it's science... |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 8:43pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davien: you cant read and intelligently comprehend a point. i didnt say that ID is justified because DNA is held on a pin-prick (i never said that in the first place). What i said was that sometimes science forces us to think outside the box. The entire gamut of a human (looks, psyche, personality etc.) is held in DNA which is encased in a cell which is smaller than a pin prick. This level of complexity is somehow what you think that nature came up with on its own? at random? But somehow nature cannot create a simple metal pipe? |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:44pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davidylan: This comment alone can win you trophies |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 8:46pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davien: Building block - a basic unit from which something is built up. So what has catalysis got to do with "basic unit"? A cell cannot survive without oxidative respiration... so is the mitochondria now the building block of the cell? davien: Do you have anything else of value other than simply crying "god of the gaps" every 2 seconds? davien: And what scientific notion have you given all day? |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by anicheibo: 8:47pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davidylan:science is still reaserching isn't an argument, its a temporary answer. It does better than filling the gaps with "the designer". The god of d gaps argument is intellectual laziness. 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:50pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davien: @bold - you could also question Ben Carson's credibility as a neurosurgeon |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 8:51pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davidylan:Everyone here can read this....you noted a human can't pop from the ground and i asked where adam came from... davidylan: davien: And i then explained davien: But i guess you missed all that |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 8:51pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
anicheibo: Actually i beg to disagree... there is no god of the gaps argument (unless when used by those who have no answers and have to resort to mockery)... what we have is a reasoned scientific basis for why nature does not explain the origin of life. Science provides no cogent answers for how life originated. Science provides no valid or logical hypothesis as to how life may have originated. Infact science still has no clue how to create the basic building block of life - the DNA... The very science of life and the cell suggests to us that it could not simply be a product of random chance (which is what you propose and is just statistically impossible)... so how on earth is it a god of the gaps argument? Or you're simply using big words you learnt somewhere? Just as an exercise... try doing this - if the universe is a cocktail of natural mechanisms, what is the statistical probability that life will be seeded on earth alone? That is basic mathematics... not god of the gaps... "Science is still researching" is no answer at all... it is infact a speculative guess, a fig leaf for ignorance, perpetuated by people who have no clue since they cannot point to the scientific labs doing the searching they claim in the first place. When i get the chance, i read through the latest titles on the most prestigious scientific journals, i cant find any that is still doing the "searching" you claim. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 8:51pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Dont bother... you really cannot reason with the close-minded. 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 8:53pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davidylan:Dude i don't know how nature came up with it is an honest answer than your usual god of the gaps lazy arguement.. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 8:55pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davien: well, if you dont know then how do you know for sure that ID is wrong? Its like saying i know 2+2 is not 5 but i have no clue what 2+2 actually is...i just know it cant be 5! that is the very height of illogicality. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:02pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davien: Genesis 2:7 7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. form verb 1.bring together parts or combine to create (something). 2.make or be made into a specific shape or form. If the above paints a picture of something popping out from the ground then you need to have your brain re- examined |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 9:03pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davidylan:Since when did science offer merit to supernatural causation then? just a few http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140929105349.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150710081209.htm |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 9:05pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:from the dust of the ground so god would by you have to bring together parts of dust and mold a human being So much for ID being science,lol... |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 9:09pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davien: I was very cautious to list 3 of the most prestigious biological journals - nature, science and cell. Any serious biological advance of the last 30 years has come from anyone of them... of course you can find any fringe blog that will publish anything for a fee. Next you'll ask me to read wikipedia like anicheibo did... funny guy. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 9:10pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davien: You're mixing two things - either because you really are that dense or you're just resorting to the usual mockery to escape the yawning deficit in the science you tout. ID is not the same as the bible... there are many proponents of ID who are not christians and do not subscribe to the biblical notion of God. I think you devolve into the Adam strawman to detract from your difficulty in discussing the science. I notice you avoid posts that question the science and prefer to traffic in those where you can quickly change the subject into another bible bashing exercise. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:13pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davien: So much for the poor comprehension of creation story and life coming from inorganic matter Isnt it funny that the dead body turns to mere dust after some time . |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 9:16pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davidylan:wow...so nothing else credible exists outside those...i can see an argument from authority here.. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 9:16pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Isnt this the time we insert another "god of the gaps" statement? |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 9:17pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:dust or dead organic matter... try using dust as a fertilizer! |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 9:18pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davien: you've been using the same "science is researching" as an appeal to authority for the last 2 pages so it is quite rich for you to accuse me of doing what exactly amounts to the whole pillar of your argument against ID. I have not said nothing credible exists outside of those... i certainly publish in other journals but these are the creme de la creme of biochemical research. Surely you are aware that any science that announces a breakthrough in how we understand the origin of human species would be big enough to get into one of the three right? Its just common sense and an idea of how scientific publishing has worked for years. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 9:21pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davidylan:Did i claim every proponent of ID is a christian or you mixed up the context as usual... |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:23pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davidylan: Still havent explain how 1 life came from inorganic matter 2 something came from nothing 3 Why the DNA isnt an intelligent design You are really an artful dodger Its obvious someone learnt a new term recently - "god of the gaps" |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 9:27pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: lol i'm not Davien, i made that comment sarcastically. It seems the atheists use "god of the gaps" more as an insult when they themselves know they cannot explain the yawning gaps in the questions you pose. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 9:33pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davidylan:okay then,here's some nature articles http://www.nature.com/news/new-species-of-early-human-discovered-near-fossil-of-lucy-1.17644 http://www.nature.com/news/ancient-wolf-genome-pushes-back-dawn-of-the-dog-1.17607 http://www.nature.com/news/dino-chickens-reveal-how-the-beak-was-born-1.17507 http://www.nature.com/news/homo-erectus-footprints-hint-at-ancient-hunting-party-1.17346 http://www.nature.com/news/mystery-of-darwin-s-strange-animals-solved-1.17138 let me guess,someone paid them? 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by anicheibo: 9:36pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
@davidylan lemme explain how d god of d gaps argument works my brother and I are arguing 'bout the origin of pasta. He says its chinese, I say its mexican. He looks it up and finds out its not mexican so he claims therefore that it is chinese, without proof that it is chinese. Thats how ID works and dats how you've been arguing. I wasn't trying to mock you, if I was I would have used the term 'argument from ignorance'. 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:38pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davidylan: lmao ... sorry for the mistake ... the "d and "a" in your usernames tho . I'll look closer next time . It seems the atheists use "god of the gaps" more as an insult when they themselves know they cannot explain the yawning gaps in the questions you pose. Exactly ! |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 9:39pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davien: You dont seem to be thinking... all the articles above are strictly on the science of evolution, which as you know, is different from the topic on hand which is - does science provide a valid hypothesis as to the ORIGIN of species? |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by davien(m): 9:42pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davidylan:And isn't evolution about the origin of species? In one article an hypothesis was verified... http://www.nature.com/news/mystery-of-darwin-s-strange-animals-solved-1.17138 |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:44pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
anicheibo: Dear Friend , there are two options involved here in our arguments . In your analogy , there are many options involved |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 9:44pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
anicheibo: Anichiebo, let me explain your own "science is researching" argument. My brother and I are arguing about the sum of 2 and 3. I say the answer is 5, my brother says it cannot be 5. I ask him how he knows it is not 5, he says he has no idea but is sure it can never be 5, just because... i ask him for evidence, he says mathematicians are still trying to solve the problem but i should just believe that 2+3 is not 5. Now anytime i say that 2+3 = 5 because there is no rational basis for it to be anything else, he just chants "god of the gaps"... Again let me repeat... your preconceived, but completely factless insistence that only science can explain the origin of the life is behind the constant use of the "god of the gaps" mockery. I asked you to do the math (which is still a form of science by the way)... what is the statistical probability that universal laws of physics and biology sparked life on earth and on no other part of the planet? You have a pen, paper and calculator... start working. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 9:47pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
davien: How does evolution explain how the species that allegedly evolved appear in the first place? |
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