DJHayes:


if the reading is literal, it cannot be the Son of God. "Resemblng the Son of God" does not mean is. Literal would mean he was like the Son of God.

Your argument still fails.

MarkMiwerds:
Sorry, but the Word clearly says those that "maketh and loveth a lie" will be outside the city.

Your argument is not with me, it is with what the God clearly says.

Revelation 22:15 For without (outside) are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

One that lies consistently, (maketh a lie) saying God requires tithes of money, will be found outside.
One that embraces that lie (loveth a lie) that God requires tithes of money, will be found outside.

Believe what you will, but my God is not a liar. If He said those who love and make a lie will be outside the city, I believe Him.

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You also lie consistently about some delusional God's only holy tithe definition. With the same measure, it will be meted to you. Beware.

OLAADEGBU:


Question: "Who was Melchizedek?"

Answer: Melchizedek, whose name means “king of righteousness,” was a king of Salem (Jerusalem) and priest of the Most High God (Genesis 14:18–20; Psalm 110:4; Hebrews 5:6–11; 6:20—7:28). Melchizedek’s sudden appearance and disappearance in the book of Genesis is somewhat mysterious. Melchizedek and Abraham first met after Abraham’s defeat of Chedorlaomer and his three allies. Melchizedek presented bread and wine to Abraham and his weary men, demonstrating friendship. He bestowed a blessing on Abraham in the name of El Elyon (“God Most High”) and praised God for giving Abraham a victory in battle (Genesis 14:18–20).

Abraham presented Melchizedek with a tithe (a tenth) of all the items he had gathered. By this act Abraham indicated that he recognized Melchizedek as a priest who ranked higher spiritually than he.

In Psalm 110, a messianic psalm written by David (Matthew 22:43), Melchizedek is presented as a type of Christ. This theme is repeated in the book of Hebrews, where both Melchizedek and Christ are considered kings of righteousness and peace. By citing Melchizedek and his unique priesthood as a type, the writer shows that Christ’s new priesthood is superior to the old levitical order and the priesthood of Aaron (Hebrews 7:1–10).

Some propose that Melchizedek was actually a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ, or a Christophany. This is a possible theory, given that Abraham had received such a visit before. Consider Genesis 17 where Abraham saw and spoke with the Lord (El Shaddai) in the form of a man.

Hebrews 6:20 says, “[Jesus] has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.” This term order would ordinarily indicate a succession of priests holding the office. None are ever mentioned, however, in the long interval from Melchizedek to Christ, an anomaly that can be solved by assuming that Melchizedek and Christ are really the same person. Thus the “order” is eternally vested in Him and Him alone.

Hebrews 7:3 says that Melchizedek was “without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.” The question is whether the author of Hebrews means this actually or figuratively.

If the description in Hebrews is literal, then it is indeed difficult to see how it could be properly applied to anyone but the Lord Jesus Christ. No mere earthly king “remains a priest forever,” and no mere human is “without father or mother.” If Genesis 14 describes a theophany, then God the Son came to give Abraham His blessing (Genesis 14:17–19), appearing as the King of Righteousness (Revelation 19:11,16), the King of Peace (Isaiah 9:6), and the Mediator between God and Man (1 Timothy 2:5).

If the description of Melchizedek is figurative, then the details of having no genealogy, no beginning or ending, and a ceaseless ministry are simply statements accentuating the mysterious nature of the person who met Abraham. In this case, the silence in the Genesis account concerning these details is purposeful and better serves to link Melchizedek with Christ.

Are Melchizedek and Jesus the same person? A case can be made either way. At the very least, Melchizedek is a type of Christ, prefiguring the Lord’s ministry. But it is also possible that Abraham, after his weary battle, met and gave honor to the Lord Jesus Himself.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Melchizedek.html#ixzz3Kxtt1jSx

OLAADEGBU:
The Mystery of Melchisedek solved:

http://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/library.sr/ct/hwa/k/745/mystery-melchizedek-solved.htm

DJHayes:


Wow! Going to rely on a WWCoG article rather than the Bible, eh?

Sad.

The article says Jesus was not God's Son until He was born of the Virgin Mary. That is pure foolishness. The Bible says God sent His Son into the world. He was the Son before being born of the virgin.

You will remain in error as long as you keep looking to worldly-minded commentators, rather than the truth.

OLAADEGBU:


Is that the only thing you could point out in the article. If you must deflect from the main issue you should place it in it's context. Jesus can be said to be the Son of God depending on the context. He is the Son of God by eternal generation (Heb.1:3), He is also the Son of God by miraculous conception (Heb.1:5) which was the context in which the article you are referring to used. Jesus can also be said to be the Son of God when referring to His bodily resurrection (Acts 13:33; Psalm 2:7; Rom.1:4).

This is why you shouldn't take one verse and run with it without comparing it with the rest of the Scriptures. Now, what have you learnt from the solved mystery of Melchisedek as revealed in the Scriptures?

MarkMiwerds:


It was already pointed out that Melchizedek and Christ could not have been the same, Olaa. DJ did not need to point out what was already pointed out.

MarkMiwerds:


Melchizedek was made like unto the Son of God. The phrase "like unto" is used 37 times in the KJV New Testament Scriptures. Each time prior to Hebrews 7:3, it is used to show comparison between two different subjects. "Heaven... like unto... leaven" "Heaven... like unto... net", etc.. It is not the net, it is not the leaven, but is compared to such. Hebrews 7 is no different. It compares two historical figures... Melchisedec and the Son of God. Melchisededec was not the Son of God, he was compared to Him.

MarkMiwerds:


And as DJ so rightly pointed out, Jesus was God's Son prior to the virgin birth.

MarkMiwerds:


It is funny that you tell DJ not to take one verse and run with it, when that is exactly what you are guilty of doing. You are trying to make Hebrews 7:3 say what it does not by running with it and relying on fallible commentaries to agree with your error.

DJHayes:
so you think God is delusional, eh? I think it is you who should beware.

Leviticus 27:30 (KJV) 30 And all the tithe of the land, [whether] of the seed of the land, [or] of the fruit of the tree, [is] the LORD'S: [it is] holy unto the LORD.

Leviticus 27:31 (KJV) 31 And if a man will at all redeem [ought] of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth [part] thereof.

Leviticus 27:32 (KJV) 32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, [even] of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

Leviticus 27:33 (KJV) 33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.

He did say, " ALL THE TITHE OF THE LAND," did He not? Yes, I believe He did. Last time I checked, the word "all" meant "entirety".

Deuteronomy 12:8 (KJV) 8 Ye shall not do after all [the things] that we do here this day, every man whatsoever [is] right in his own eyes.

God said the entirety of His holy tithe was agricultural.

If you are trying to refer back to Abram's tithe, need I remind you that nowhere in the text concerning that tithe does it say that that tithe was "holy"? Obviously, because Abram's tithe was the property of a pagan king, it was not holy. God never called it holy.

And God said that the Israelites were not to tithe until the crossed Jordan. The tithe then was to be observed, and was then called holy. And under the Law, the Israelites could not offer anything as tithe but that which God decreed to be titheable... agricultural produce and livestock.

Since Mark's post is totally supported by the Word of God, it is clear he is not lying. Your accusations against him are unwarranted.

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What i referred to as delusional was the God's only holy tithe definition that Mark propagates. Comprehend? NO ONE is contesting ALL THE TITHE OF THE LAND. What we have simply and straightly contested is the addition "ONLY" which changes the context. For instance, i believe that Jesus is the ONLY way, my perspective is different from the random religious person in Lagos that believes all religions lead to God. ONLY has not changed in meaning.
In Deut 12v8, the Israelites were in the wilderness and were not tithing there. Don't twist that passage to refer to tithes again. Again, we are not under the law so stop prescribing it to us(even though you naively missed the import and interpretation). The principle of the tithe is so plain that it takes so much twist and letter for the common man to miss it. It is akin to the principle of Jesus as the Lamb or as Adam(last Adam). Jesus is the our passover lamb but not an animal. The passover lamb was offered by each family and sprinkled on each door post. The lamb wasn't necessarily crucified etc. In God's eyes the same principle however applies, Jesus is our paschal Lamb that takes our sins away. Jesus is the last Adam. In the similitude of Adam, He is the beginning of God's creation as it were. He doesn't however have to live in a garden or have a physical wife or be created, He was born etc. In the same principle, the tithe is simply a tenth and the Holy Spirit through the Bible recognises it so. He refers to Abraham's tithe, Leviticus tithe, pharisee tithe etc as simply tithe which is 1/10. It doesn't say any one is unholy or make silly demarcations as monetary tithe and other such seminary terms. Go and start reading your Bible instead of listening to Mark.

DJHayes:
And I have done no twisting of Deuteronomy 12:8. When read in conteaxt (with its surrounding verses, it clearly is speaking of tithe.

OLAADEGBU:


The Mystery of Melchisedek solved:

http://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/library.sr/ct/hwa/k/745/mystery-melchizedek-solved.htm

The Mystery of Melchizedek Solved!

FEW MYSTERIES of the Bible have attracted more interest than the mystery of the identity of Melchizedek. Who is he?

You will read in Hebrews 6:19-20 that Jesus Christ, after His resurrection, is High Priest "after the order of Melchizedek." The plainer English of the Moffatt translation words it: ". . with the rank of" that is, equal status with "Melchizedek."

Melchizedek Was God's Priest

First, notice from both Old and New Testaments that the man of mystery, Melchizedek, was a priest of the Most High God. Turn 'low to the account in Genesis 14. During the war between a number of ancient city-states in Canaan and Mesopotamia, Abraham's nephew Lot had been captured. He and his family and goods were carted off.

One of their number escaped and brought the news to Abraham, who armed 318 of his own servants and pursued the invaders to what was later named Dan and beyond. Abraham rescued Lot and his family and returned them safely to the Canaanite cities.

On Abraham's return a man of mystery bursts upon the scene. Abraham was ministered to by Melchizedek.

Here is the account:

"And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was priest of God Most High. And he [Melchizedek] blessed him [Abraham] and said, 'Blessed be Abram by God Most High, maker of heaven and earth; and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand!' And Abram gave him [Melchizedek] a tenth of everything" that is, a tithe of all, for a tithe means a tenth (Genesis 14:18-20, RSV).

Notice that Melchizedek was king of Salem. That is the city of Jerusalem. "Salem" comes from the Hebrew word meaning "peace." That would make Melchizedek the "King of Peace" (Hebrews 7:2). The Hebrew name Melchizedek itself means "King of Righteousness" (Hebrews 7:2). The same individual is mentioned in Psalm 110:4. Speaking prophetically of Christ, David stated: "The Eternal hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." This verse is quoted again in Hebrews 5:6, 10.

Before we turn to Hebrews for the identification of Melchizedek, remember that this mystery figure is a mystery only to us. Abraham and the King of wicked Sodom knew exactly who he was. They must have seen him before. He could not have been a Canaanite, for they were steeped in pagan customs. And furthermore Canaan was a descendant of Ham, whereas God basically chose the descendants of Shem to accomplish His work.

Then who is the mystery man Melchizedek?

One other hint before we proceed. The land of Canaan from ancient time, before the days of Moses, was known among the Gentiles as "the divine land" the Holy land" the land of the place of worship!" Why? Was there someone in the Holy Land who was divine, holy, worthy of worship?

The Mystery Clears

Coming to Hebrews 7, we find Melchizedek identified:

"For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace" (Hebrews 7:1-2).

Since God names individuals what they are, that, then is what this man is.. "King of Righteousness."

Think of it! King of Righteousness.

Jesus Himself said: "There is none good but one, that is, God" (Matthew 19:17). Human self-righteousness is, before God, as filthy rags. None can be righteous but God—or one made righteous by God's power—Christ in a person! And certainly none but One of the Godhead the divine Kingdom of God would be King of Righteousness. Such an expression, applied to any but God, would be blasphemous. Why?

Righteousness is obedience to God's Law. Since God made all laws (James 4:12), He is Supreme Ruler or King. He determines what righteousness is. "All thy commandments are righteousness" (Psalm 119:172). When speaking of one of the points of that Law, Jesus placed Himself superior to it. He is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28). No man is Lord or King over God's Law. Only God could be! All human beings have sinned and broken that Law of righteousness (Romans 3:23).

To continue with Hebrews 7. Note, too, that this man was King of peace. "Salem" from which Jerusalem was named means "peace." And remember, Jesus is called the Prince of peace! No human being could be King of Peace. Men know not the way of peace. Read Romans 3:10 and 17: "There is none righteous, no, not one.... And the way of peace have they not known."

Observe further: Melchizedek was "without mother, without father, without descent," or as the Phillips translation renders it: "He had no father or mother and no family tree." He was not born as human beings are. He was without father and mother. This does not mean that Melchizedek's records of birth were lost. Without such records human priests could not serve (Ezra 2:62). But here Melchizedek had no genealogy. He must not have been an ordinary mortal. He had no descent or pedigree from another, but was self-existent. Notice Paul's own inspired interpretation of this fact: "Having neither beginning of days, nor end of life" (Hebrews 7:3). Therefore He has always existed from eternity! He was not even created, like angels. But He is now eternally self-existing. And that is true only of GOD deity, not humanity!

Not the Father Nor the Holy Spirit

Yet Melchizedek cannot be God the Father. He was the "priest of that Most High God." Scripture says no man has ever seen the Father (John 1:18, 5:37), but Abraham saw Melchizedek. He cannot be God the Father, but rather, "made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually" (Hebrews 7:3).

And there it is! In the days of Abraham, He was not the Son of God, for He had not yet been born of the virgin Mary but He was made like unto the Son of God in His manifestation to the ancients.

Notice again: Melchizedek, this scripture reveals, abides that is, remains permanently, continually, a priest. God the Father is not the Priest of God, but Christ the Son is! Yet, in the days when the Apostle Paul lived and wrote, shortly after Jesus ascended to heaven as High Priest, the scripture states that even then Melchizedek "abideth "—which means does now abide—"a priest continually." The Moffatt translation states it: "continues to be priest permanently" even while Jesus Christ is High Priest!

And notice that the order of Christ's Priesthood is named after Melchizedek. It is the High Priest's name that is placed upon an order just as Aaron's name was upon the Aaronic priesthood. Thus Melchizedek was then High Priest, in Paul's day, and even now, and He will rule forever! And at the same time Christ was, is today, and shall be forever High Priest!

Are there two High Priests'? No! Impossible! The conclusion is inescapable. Contrary to many cherished man-thought-out ideas, Melchizedek and Christ are one and the same! Some people have stumbled on the statement that Melchizedek has no "end of life." They contend that since Christ died, He had an end of life! If that be true then Christ is still dead! But Christ is not dead. He is alive. It was not possible for Christ to be held by death (Acts 2:24). Melchizedek would never have fulfilled His office of High Priest if He had not died for the sins of the people and risen again. It is the function of the High Priest to lead the way to salvation.

Indeed, Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of our salvation (Hebrews 5:9; 12:2). He is "called of God an high priest after the order of Melchizedek" (Hebrews 5:10).

And no wonder. Melchizedek and Christ are one and the same Person!

http://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/library.sr/ct/hwa/k/745/mystery-melchizedek-solved.htm

OLAADEGBU:

MarkMiwerds:
There is an old saying, "Tell a lie often enough, the gullible will accept it as truth."

So many have told the lie that "Melchizedek/Melchisedec was Jesus Christ" for so long that the gullible have accepted it as truth. The fact is, it is not truth, as the text clearly states. Melchisedec was made "like unto" the Son of God. "Like unto" denotes comparison. Melchisedec was being compared to the Son of God in Hebrews 7.

If they were one and the same person, "like unto" would not have been present in the text.

vooks:


Food for thought. If the first time Jesus walked on earth he had no mother or father, what was the need of having at least a mother when he came to save us?

OLAADEGBU:
Higher Everyday
TUESDAY, JULY 14, 2015

PAY YOUR VOWS

"Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High" (Psalm 50:14).

As the wealthy oil tycoon lay on his deathbed, his pastor talked to him of God's healing power. "Pastor," he gasped, "if God heals me, I'll give the church a million dollars." Miraculously, the man was revived and within a few weeks, he was out of the hospital. Several months later, the following chat ensued between him and the pastor: "You know," the pastor said, "when you were in the hospital dying, you promised to give the church a million dollars if you got well. We haven't got it yet." "Did I say that?" the tycoon asked. "I guess that goes to show how sick I really was!" The tycoon’s response shows that he did not make his vow from a sincere heart, and was not ready to redeem it after God had healed him. Many youths make vows that they hardly keep. Yet, paying your vow is a command from God. Do not make any vow if you think you cannot fulfill it.

• Challenge: "Avoid any vow if you are not ready to redeem it"

• Prayer: "God, help me not to make any vow out of desperation"

• Quote: "Vow and redeem it"

• Further Reading: Psalm 116:13, 14

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PastorKun:


You still haven't repented from this your church business racket

OLAADEGBU:


Pay your vows, don't let avarice make you be like that rich oil tychoon.

OLAADEGBU:


Pay your vows, don't let avarice make you be like that rich oil tychoon.

OLAADEGBU:
Higher Everyday
TUESDAY, JULY 14, 2015

PAY YOUR VOWS

"Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High" (Psalm 50:14).

As the wealthy oil tycoon lay on his deathbed, his pastor talked to him of God's healing power. "Pastor," he gasped, "if God heals me, I'll give the church a million dollars." Miraculously, the man was revived and within a few weeks, he was out of the hospital. Several months later, the following chat ensued between him and the pastor: "You know," the pastor said, "when you were in the hospital dying, you promised to give the church a million dollars if you got well. We haven't got it yet." "Did I say that?" the tycoon asked. "I guess that goes to show how sick I really was!" The tycoon’s response shows that he did not make his vow from a sincere heart, and was not ready to redeem it after God had healed him. Many youths make vows that they hardly keep. Yet, paying your vow is a command from God. Do not make any vow if you think you cannot fulfill it.

• Challenge: "Avoid any vow if you are not ready to redeem it"

• Prayer: "God, help me not to make any vow out of desperation"

• Quote: "Vow and redeem it"

• Further Reading: Psalm 116:13, 14

See more at: