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egbetokuns:
You are totally wrong for this ur assumption..how can yoruba scuttle and hinder ur development...Easterner need to be brave about their political ambition. Personal interest don overpower the mind of ur people. ...Pls be constructive and embrace Peace

Please tell me where I am wrong. Moreover, I am not assuming, just stating the empirical evidences.

Saraki and Dogara of Northern political persuasion are doing all within their strength to balance political offices in NASS while the ACN arm of APC is kicking to see no Easterner near any position of responsibility.

On the issues after the war, I presume you are a toddler hence I will bypass the details to avoid stoking the embers of discord.

onenaira3:
See fucking attachment as usual. It is a well documented fact that Yoruba were the only ethnic group enslaved by Benin hence the huge influence of Benin culture all over yoruba similar to the same way the Fulani equally enslaved Una and still enslaving Una in modern day kwara state. The Benin slaves to igboland were benin people that left benin and sort refugee in igboland where igbo were original at. They were accepted in and some blended into igboland while some tried to forcefully take over, though unsuccesful. Igbo traded clothes, bronze, etc. Maybe you should go and read encyclopedia of Africa 2 by Henry Louis gates and Anthony Appiah. Hell even Giorgia riello and some dude I can't remember the name right now wrote about it in their book "how India clothed the world". Next time f2king read before una usual lies but then again, you are yoruba. Una are well known for propaganda and lies..na Una twin e be

Anyway, like I was saying before I was rudely interrupted. Pazienza and all igbo, the only ethnic our ancestors avoided like a plague is also currently the only ethnic group we know that are snakes and have tried to use media propaganda to destroy us. Our f2king ancestors saw then what we are currently seeing and made sure to avoid, it's a damn shame zik with his blindness for "pan African" did not and sadly, just like lord luggard, forced us in this mess. Let me repeat what i said earlier, like they always say, what your elders saw while sitting down, a child can never see while standing up.

So why is the title of Bini monarchy in Yoruba language, and not in Ibo?

You traded clothes but yet your forebears went everywhere clothless? Go and read Bascom. Read also Livingston. If thats not enough, read Landers brothers. They narrated in detail the crude form, the simplicity of mind and barbaric ways of every Ibo group they encountered without exception.

From same authors we get narration of Yorubas penchant for colorful and rich fabrics.

We know without being told that Bini, a Yoruba dynastic throne, is the founder of Onicha Ado. Ado itself is a Yoruba legend and Onicha is in fact Orisha. Ibo tongue cannot produce r....and you adopted it from Orisha to Onicha.

What more can you tell us about your unclothed forbears and their trade?

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
This is the same thing that happened after the war where the West did everything to scuttle and hinder the rehabilitation and reconstruction of devastated Eastern Nigeria.

LMAO. I don't blame you. It's Yorubas with their forgiving nature. Left to the Northerners, your entire ethnic group would've been wiped out. The same Northerners who were your political partners who you colluded with multiple times to sideline Yorubas politically. You then overreached, turned round and put knives in their backs and they gave it back to you 7-fold.

Now, after the war, were Eastern states not getting allocations like the rest of the states of the federation? What did your governors do with them? Or were your state governors Yoruba? When your people started trooping into Yorubaland in droves from the 70s to the 80s, did the Yorubas stop them? Did Yorubas collect the properties owned by Igbos in Yorubaland? As proven over and over, collectively you are a bunch of ingrates and crybabies. Make una continue.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
The problem between the West and the East is not religious nor socio-cultural rather political and economic competition hence the quagmire.

There is an unhealthy competition which has no end in sight. We can only give and take if the gap must be bridged.

Oh really? Could any of you muster the courage to respond to my post where I referred to what an Igbo VC in UI did back in the 60s; where he employed 109 Igbos and only 3 Yorubas in a university built with cocoa money? That should be healthy competition right? Honestly, I must be jobless. Na jobless person get time for una.

logica:
LMAO. I don't blame you. It's Yorubas with their forgiving nature. Left to the Northerners, your entire ethnic group would've been wiped out. The same Northerners who were your political partners who you colluded with multiple times to sideline Yorubas politically. You then overreached, turned round and put knives in their backs and they gave it back to you 7-fold.

Now, after the war, were Eastern states not getting allocations like the rest of the states of the federation? What did your governors do with them? Or were your state governors Yoruba? When your people started trooping into Yorubaland in droves from the 70s to the 80s, did the Yorubas stop them? Did Yorubas collect the properties owned by Igbos in Yorubaland? As proven over and over, collectively you are a bunch of ingrates and crybabies. Make una continue.

Oh really? Could any of you muster the courage to respond to my post where I referred to what an Igbo VC in UI did back in the 60s; where he employed 109 Igbos and only 3 Yorubas in a university built with cocoa money? That should be healthy competition right? Honestly, I must be jobless. Na jobless person get time for una.

You quoted Yoruba propaganda and want me to respond to it?

I talk out of experiences and not hear says neither do I attach emotions to social issues hence I stay away from tribal and ethno-religious threads.

Continue believing jargons you were fed instead of thinking for yourself.

Bye.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
You quoted Yoruba propaganda and want me to respond to it?

I talk out of experiences and not hear says neither do I attach emotions to social issues hence I stay away from tribal and ethno-religious threads.

Continue believing jargons you were fed instead of thinking for yourself.

Bye.

LMAO. See response. He speaks from experience; yet he could not provide anything to debunk well documented historical facts. So, did the VC employ 109 Igbos and 3 Yorubas? Oya, use your experience to tell us otherwise.

Look, we Yorubas treasure history; we document things. Even my grandfather owned diaries. We don't muck around with history because it is a compass to the future. So, go and learn your history. You didn't just arrive where you are; there was a journey.

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But why is it that after almost fifty years, we cant put it behind us, especially the New Age, technology generation?



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You're just wasting your time....



The union has expired..

Xyg12:
Please check my signature and[b] help us [/b]to sign, we don't need you for anything, let's part ways. You don't need to ask God to forbid, use your few seconds to forbid it.
Thank you

I cant just wonder why a Nation and people are ALWAYS begging and PLEADING people you HATE, people you are full of ANGER for, to HELP YOU in virtually all you want to do!

During the war, it was "please feed us and our dying pinkins"
After the war, it was "Please help us recover our house and small change we left behind"
In the last election, they even went ot the Oba's palace to "Please how can you help us to become Lagosians"!
Now, it is "Please help us to actualize Baifraud"!

I have told you guys times without number: Take it BY FORCE! IF YOU ARE UP TO IT< YOU WILL GET IT OTHERWISE, YOU WILL GET WHIPPED PROPERLY!
No one is going to serve you Biafra on a platter.
Start by relocating your @rze and properties back to your erosion-ridden South East

You put nothing on the table except GREED and AVARICE, Silly ARROGANCE, PIRACY and LOW INTELLECT yet you are the same people that fights every other tribe within the Polity! You guys even descend as low as "faking Yoruba-sounding i.d's!

So, where is the help going to come from? Even God in his infinite mercy, will ignore such sillyy call.

Dont wait until Ambode wakes up one day and decides "Enough, is Enough",.... deporting all of'ya into the Lagoon!
No, l am referring to the Lagoon after the Bridgehead! We dont want to contaminate our Lagos Lagoon anymore

We have tried to make you tow the part of reason but it seems una headiness nor get part 2
Nonsense without ingredience!


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I read a thread by one of our Igbo brothers, linked here
Let us settle our differences, Igbo group tells Lagosians: https://www.nairaland.com/2450640/lets-settle-differences-igbo-group.
I think this is a very heart-warming and credible effort on the part of the group.

I have decided to create this response, as a way forward on the issue.
The idea is to "TRY" to explain things from the point of view of a Yoruba person so that once we know what the issues are, we can begin to iron them out.

2015 mental
shattaaaap dia and gettoooout....whoever needed u betraying tigerclaws afonjas? We aint mentals neither are we sophisticated zomBs ...
Teams niger delta 5% standing tall with our eastern 5%as

lastpage:
I read a thread by one of our Igbo brothers, linked here
Let us settle our differences, Igbo group tells Lagosians: https://www.nairaland.com/2450640/lets-settle-differences-igbo-group.
I think this is a very heart-warming and credible effort on the part of the group.

I have decided to create this response, as a way forward on the issue.
The idea is to "TRY" to explain things from the point of view of a Yoruba person so that once we know what the issues are, we can begin to iron them out.


I read a thread by one of our Igbo brothers, linked here
Let us settle our differences, Igbo group tells Lagosians: https://www.nairaland.com/2450640/lets-settle-differences-igbo-group.
I think this is a very heart-warming and credible effort on the part of the group.

I have decided to create this response, as a way forward on the issue.
The idea is to "TRY" to explain things from the point of view of a Yoruba person so that once we know what the issues are, we can begin to iron them out.

[quote Author=Lastpage]Generally, l think the "yabbis" we post on Nairaland is just a way of 'venting' and does not actually represent how we actually "feel and relate" with ourselves in real life.
I for one , do not carry it into the real world but then, we can make the relationship better, if we really want that, by working at it.

We are not at "war" but a BETTER RELATIONSHIP between Igbos and Yorubas can (and will) only be achieved if we start with HONESTY of PURPOSE and address the "historic root of dislike" between us, as it relates to the Civil War.

In particular:
1.) That the killings between the Hausas and Igbos "aggravated" as a result of Nigeria's first bloody coup led by Aguiyi Ironsi.
There had been 'pockets of discontent' between the two hitherto, as the Northern Muslim is not renowned for being very tolerant, especially of an aggressive guest as the business-oriented igbos living in the North, turned out to be. An Huasa "reprisal coup" lead to Aguiyi ironsi's death later. This is the genesis of the Civil war, in one paragraph.

2.) That the Yorubas made it known to Ojukwu that they were not ready to go into a secession war as at that time because they were not ready militarily, were already surrounded by Northern populated military garrisons and to go to war at that point will be sheer suicide
Every leader has a 'right and duty' to protect the survival of its people, you will agree. Awolowo did just that

3.) That Ojukwu unilaterally declared secession (whether that was the best and only option at that point is left to Igbos to contemplate) and expected Yorubas to follow despite our clear objections and ill-preparedness

4.) That Yorubas despite being part and parcel of Nigeria, stood aloof and did not actively participate in the Biafran Civil war, despite Lagos being the centre of Government. Yorubas were 'initially neutral' as the fight was basically between Igbos and Northerners.

5.) That Ojukwu in his military 'calculations and strategy', tried to force Yorubas into the war, thinking he was trying to open a second front and thereby 'stretch' the Nigerian Army. He also wanted a psychological blow on the federal govt by attacking Lagos. As a kid, l remember him attacking and bombing the Casino Cinema, at Alagomeji, in Lagos mainland.

6.) That for almost two years, Yorubas were reluctant to react to such provocations as we felt he should have directed his bomb "Northwards" since we hold no grudge against Igbos.

7.) That the 'final straw that broke the camel's back' was when Ojukwu's army attacked, as far as Oore town (current Ondo state, just before Ijebu-Ode) and Yorubas felt his intention was to destroy Yoruba lands, as he has done to Benin kingdom!


8.) That the Yorubas had no choice than to "defend and protect" their land, just as we would expect Igbos to do, if attacked.
Yorubas at that point, joined the war and the rest as the say, is HISTORY. In war, there are no winners and anything to achieve victory is on the table. Our sympathy to all those who lost their lives on both sides.

9.) That the Igbos WRONGLY blamed Yorubas for their failure in the secession bid despite the fact that we only defended our land, when attacked, as any other nation would do.

10.) That Igbo parents see the above as a convenient excuse to tell their folks(That Yorubas made them lose the war), in a face-saving effort, when kids ask the question: But did you not realize that you could not win the war against North and S/West together?
This in-turn, fueled hatred, over subsequent generations. the result of which we experience in 2015!

11. That despite all these, the Yorubas have always shown "open arms" to Igbos and other tribes of Nigeria as we are a very hospitable people.
Our war effort was about our own survival as a Nation ...and after the war, we were willing to show the same disposition, as we had always shown to Igbos, before the war.

12.) That Igbos have since taken our 'hospitality and reluctance to resort to violence', as a sign of weakness and they do not think before calling us "cowards, to our face" but we make bold to say that no Nation is entirely a coward; it is just that our "risk aversion or risk threshold" are different. As Yorubas, we believe that we can solve most problems without recourse to violence. We think Violence should not be the first option, rather, "sound and logical brain-storming" is our hallmark.

13.) That Igbos have always adopted a confrontational and insulting posture, when it comes to discussing Yorubas, even within Yoruba enclaves. Such examples of provocative statements need not be repeated here though Yorubas have been known to reply in-kind, when provoked.

14.) That Peace between Nationalities is only achievable where there is mutual respect. A situation where one calls his host "Coward" or boast that they will overtake them on their ancestral land, reeks of arrogance and provocation.

15.) That Yorubas are first and foremost, Peace-loving people, intelligent and proud of who they are and as such, have no beef or deep-rooted animosity with any other tribe and we are always willing to "welcome and partner with" any other Nationality in Nigeria, as long as there would be mutual respect.

Let me also add that Yorubas believe in an "indivisible One Nigeria" where Justice, fair-play, respect for one another and integrity" are the building blocks of the nation. Though Nigeria as it is today, is far from this dream, we think "True Federalism", as opposed to secession, is the solution to attain such.
This is at variance with Igbos who believe they cannot live happily in a United and fair Nigeria, except they break-off into Biafra.

This is the "problem and solution", from the perspective of a Yoruba person.

I understand an Igbo person might see things from a different angle but l am sure that if we show honesty of purpose and are willing to accept and forget the past, then the future is always bright afterall, there are thriving marriages between both nations and in particular, Yorubas are known not to be "extremists" in anything, be it religion or tribal affinity.

So, the ball is your court, our Igbo brothers. We also extend an "Olive Branch" in return.
Like Broom, Together (based on Justice, fairness and mutual respect), we are stronger...
What do you think and what would you want, from your Yoruba Brothers?

The above post is typical of African and Nigerian in particular from a certain corner of the geographical expression called Nigeria. It lacked elementary logical as buttressed by stanza 7. If Gowon sat comfortably in Lagos, which is a Yoruba land and the collaborated with Yoruba peeps while launching military attacks against eastern region via midwastern region, is it not logical for eastern region to attack the seat utilized by the Gowon? Where the Yoruba people not aware that Gowon felt welcome in Lagos apparently in a locked steps with Yoruba people in concerted efforts to destroy eastern region of Nigeria? One of the reasons Nigeria lagged hopelessly behind the curve of relevance is because of its inhabitants such as the poster of the above crap.

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Do you by any means "stammer"? Just kidding, l guess it was your keyboard that was stammering up there!

On a more serious note.... and l will not mince word with you so you might not like what l would say but l am giving you the mindset of "others" which you might not be aware of.

1.) There is no equity in Nigeria, not even amongst the Yorubas who were part of the #teamvictory in the war, the only luck Lagos has was because it was the capital and anywhere in the world, the Capital comes first in development.

2.) I agree that the Northerners who held sway on power after the war, did not go overboard to let you guys feel welcomed. Its a combination of "anger, vissionlessness, selfishness and post-war vendetta" . That was not right if and when we are trying to forge a united Nigeria. ND suffered similar neglect despite being the Apple basket!

3.) The fact that Igbos did not actually "openly accept" defeat (remember Ojukwu was still in Ivory Coast for some time before he wss pardoned to come back home) and accept their role in what led to the war (as they still do today) gave the impression that they were only "bidding their time" to start another war of secession.

4.) This created an atmosphere of distrust such that "others" were wondering what these Igbos might try to do, if you give them too much room and power. The impoverization was deliberate though we also have to acknowledge that the fact that the Igbos tend to be Nomadic and live outside their own domain also contributed to their under-development!

5.) Some Igbo "leaders" are also to blame as they play "sell-out" of their people, for personal gains. From Nzeribes, to Ojukwu himself (l know Igbos wont like that part but l think he should have been a God father "anointing from behind", instead of playing partisan Politics when he came back as that would have given him more respect and bargaining power; just my opinion). I also wonder why Igbo Governors have not find it in their heart to "come together and use their allocation to do meaningful collaboration projects that would uplift their area...they are not poor mind you, as a people! but have nothing to show for it in the East itself...maybe in Lagos sha)

6.)Even up till today, there is still that trust deficit between Igbos and other Nigerian tribes, not just Yorubas alone. Even their closest neighbour, the Niger Deltans still view them with distrust. But How can you "completely trust" people who dont believe in the nigerian project?

so we have a "chicken and egg" situation here:
*Igbos agitate for Biafra because they are neglected by Nigeria and are not properly integrated
*Nigeria feels Igbo are not trying to properly ingrate into Nigeria because they still want to actualize Biafra and cannot be trusted with anything, especially Power, in the nigerian equation.

Who should break the ice? I think Igbos need to show Nigerians that they are onboard the Nigerian ship FULLY. No tjust waiting to seize an opportunity!
I say this because when you have a "chicken and Egg situation", you only need to go back and look at the "antecedents" to decide which should give first.

Take the last election as an example: Igbos wanted all hell to break lose so they can seize the opportunity to secede and actualize Biafra.
But meanwhile, they were urging the ND folks on, like they were really rooting for them because they think some injustice is being done to them for trying to vote our former President Jonathan.
Other Nigerians know and see this.
It is this kind of scenario that makes "Nigeria" to consciously suppress Igbos.

Igbos have also been known to be unstable (forgive my use of that word) and to not stand solidly behind what is right, even if they dont benefit from it.
Take the Saraki scenario as another example: Igbos knew what Saraki did was treacherous. Such Vile humanbeing MUST never be put anywhere near a position of responsibility but because it is a "dagger in the heart of Yorubas", Igbos are willing to go along with it.
When you behave that way, you are sending out the wrong signals and telling others that you are "unreliable and undependable".

I can go back to the past thirty of forty years wherein Igbos have acted the spoiler role (NPN Vs.UPN, SDP Vs NRP, Abiola Saga, Renaming of Unilag, e.t.c). In most cases, it is directed at Yorubas but meanwhile, the Northerners who reap the benefit dont give a phuck about Igbos. For them, they have seem the Igbos thru and thru.
Mind you, the Northerners are not that "indecisive" as the Westerner Yoruba when it comes to swift actions and they follow themselves dogmatically. Yorubas have this penchant for not following "orders", except they completely agree to it (Obasanjo's first term is an example)

In summary (l dont want to dwell too much on these examples as it will raise other arguments again), I think the igbos should throw the Olive branch first and let Nigerians embrace them.
The likes of Nnamdi Kanu is not doing such effort any favors at all.
I will also suggest that Igbos not put all their eggs in one basket because things dont always go as planned.
That your sworn enemy might be your saving grace when the time comes!

It is not that we actually like the Hausas (Sharia and blood-letting Vs. Born-to-rule mentality) and we collude with them, but we have found them to be at least more reliable than the Igbos. We can tolerate their excesses and we can also make our own demands which they also know when to "bow to" (as in Presidency and other political matters) otherwise, they know what we are capable of doing without even fighting!
Babangida will remember us, if not Abacha!
Igbos too have to know when to stop boasting and use "deft tactics" to achieve set objectives!

Chai, who da phuck am l to turn myself into "igbo adviser" sef, abi dem don dash me wife?


Thanks for your opinion Sir!


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