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The Absurdity Of Atheism by bi0nics: 1:27pm On Jul 18, 2015
angry
atheists think they've
taken a heroic stand, but could it be
that they really don't want to face up to
the possibility that God is indeed there?
I hope you'll be intellectually honest
enough to consider what I have to say
and see if it makes sense.
No one who has prejudged an issue can
be convinced of anything contrary to
what he wants to believe. There are still
those who insist the earth is flat and no
one can convince them otherwise, no
matter what the evidence. There are
always folks, no matter if religious or
atheistic, who stubbornly believe what
they prefer, no matter if reason and
fact show otherwise. Someone like this
has the unspoken philosophy: Don't
confuse me with the facts. My mind is
already made up. Ask yourself: Am I
open-minded or narrow minded? Am I
willing to change my mind if I can be
shown atheism doesn't make sense?
You might say, If God is there, let him
prove it to me. I don't want to take an
irrational leap of faith. Fine. In Isaiah
2:18 God says: come let us reason
together. He wants us to reason and He
certainly wants us to be be rational, but
He will not submit himself to human
scrutiny; to do so he would need to stop
being God! He will not bow to our
perverse judgements. Ask yourself,
Would I ever be willing to believe God is
there, however strong the evidence? You
see, your problem may not be in your
head as much as in your heart. Perhaps
you've already taken a leap of faith. To
assert God cannot exist, despite the
impossibility of proving that statement,
is the ultimate irrational leap! 1
THE IRRATIONALITY OF ATHEISM
Atheism tends to exalt reason, but it is
actually irrational. Atheists tend to put
a lot of stock in the emperical method
and in logic. One cannot disprove God
exists using the emperical method. You
might reply: But I can't disprove a giant
purple frog on Mars controls the
universe, either. Granted, one can never
disprove any given thing exists. The
atheistic position denying God's
existence, if based on the emperical
method, is absurd. Why do I say that?
In order to prove the assertion No God
exists experimentally, one would need to
comprehensively know all of reality.
Comprehensive knowledge of reality is
called omniscience. One would need to be
omniscient in order to prove there is no
God, but if one were omniscient one
would, by definition, already be God! So,
based on emperical methodology, the
only one capable of disproving the
existence of God would be God himself!
But some would say you can indeed
assert something does not exist if its
existence is logically self contradictory,
such as a square triangle. By definition
it cannot exist. It is illogical for
something to be a square and to also be
a triangle. Again, granted, but this line
of reasoning assumes logic and real
meaning exist and are our basis for
knowledge --something an atheist has
no right to assert! The existence of God
is not only logically possible, it is
philosophically essential. (We'll get to
that more later below.) One cannot prove
logic exists unless one first presupposes a
God in whom reason and meaning are
transcendentally rooted, otherwise these
categories are mere philosphical
prejuduces. Atheism is inherently self-
contradictory. The evidence for the
existence of God is there for all to see,
only we refuse to see it. King David
wrote: The fool says in his heart there is
no God. (Psalm 14:1) In other words,
Atheism is irrational. Apart from God
there is no basis for truth or ethics. For
the sake of brevity,

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by podosci(m): 1:34pm On Jul 18, 2015
The truth of the matter is God existence cannot be proved by the absobity exhibited by the religions of this world through the nuisance written in both the Bible or the Quran or the thousands of religion spread across the world. Religion demonizes God with it doctrines

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by Sunnystooth(m): 1:34pm On Jul 18, 2015
You ended up not saying anything reasonable at the end. What's your point exactly?

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by ITbomb(m): 1:36pm On Jul 18, 2015
Couldn't read it cos of bad formatting but I agree with you, it is absurd

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by bi0nics: 1:50pm On Jul 18, 2015
Sunnystooth:
You ended up not saying anything reasonable at the end. What's your point exactly?

im not done
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by bi0nics: 1:54pm On Jul 18, 2015
NO PHILOSOPHICAL BASIS FOR ETHICS
Beyond dispute there are moral atheists.
I ve known atheists who are more ethical
than some people claiming to believe in a
god. This is not the issue. The question is,
why be ethical? Can an adequate basis
for morality be found given atheistic
premises? Think about it. Unless God
exists, there is no eternal and
transcendent standard for right and
wrong. If God did not give the Ten
Commandments to Moses at Sinai,
thereby establishing a moral standard
above human creation, we are merely
left with humanly devised scruples. If
humanity is left to create its own ethical
standards, we are left with only three
options to base ethics upon: 1) collective
tradition, 2) human survival, or 3)
personal preference.
IS COLLECTIVE TRADITION AN ETHICAL
BASE?
Those who argue that morality is
properly based upon what society as a
whole deems moral have a big problem.
What one society says is moral another
says is immoral. Nazi Germany held that
it was morally good and beneficial to
exterminate the Jewish people. The Allies
saw the Nazis as evil and fought against
them. Who was right? If one believes God
gave the law You shall not murder, the
answer is obvious. Any society that
advocates murder is evil. How can an
atheist respond? Most would admit the
Nazis were evil, but according to what
standard? Were the Nazis evil just
because the Allies said they were evil or
were they in fact evil? One can try to
argue that it isn't just what a few
societies say that matters, but what the
majority of human societies agree upon.
This does provide a better basis, since
God has given us a conscience, but it has
been corrupted by rebellion. At one time
most human societies placed less value
on female offspring than on males. In
many societies female infants were left
to die. In some places this exists today.
This is morally wrong, no matter if the
whole of human society were to say
otherwise! Basing morality on human
society does not provide an adequate
answer.

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by menesheh(m): 1:59pm On Jul 18, 2015
the post seems to me copy and paste material but not minding that though.


you started with the contemporary evidences and the stiffness of some people's mind against the emerging evidence that disprove their old world view. You then delved into the absurdity of atheism. This to me is rigmarole with no destination. vividly point out those absurdities of atheism.

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by Nobody: 2:04pm On Jul 18, 2015
podosci:
The truth of the matter is God existence cannot be proved by the absobity exhibited by the religions of this world through the nuisance written in both the Bible or the Quran or the thousands of religion spread across the world. Religion demonizes God with it doctrines

Seconded!

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by Misanthrope: 2:26pm On Jul 18, 2015
Your religion or lack of doesn't determine your ethical values.

Ethics is a contentious topic that cover a hefty area in scientific disciplines and philosophical works.

Although our culture, tradition and society plays a huge role in morality, they are complex approaches that have been used to study morality, such as the substrate of you frontal lobes, hormonal regulations, never synapses, and other environmental factors.


It is inane to ask "since you don't believe in my imaginary friend, why are you not killing people?".


You really have a distorted understanding of ethics.

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by hahn(m): 2:58pm On Jul 18, 2015
Op. Please format your post to be more readable
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by IsaacBuchi(m): 3:03pm On Jul 18, 2015
podosci:
The truth of the matter is God existence cannot be proved by the absobity exhibited by the religions of this world through the nuisance written in both the Bible or the Quran or the thousands of religion spread across the world. Religion demonizes God with it doctrines

Pls I don't understand this thinking? How did the amazing universe and the intricate beauty of man came about?
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:05pm On Jul 18, 2015
IsaacBuchi:


Pls I don't understand this thinking? How did the amazing universe and the intricate beauty of man came about?
That you don't know how something came about doesn't imply you should cook up any imaginary fiction to fill this gap. . .just say you don't know until study and observations proves otherwise

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by finofaya: 3:07pm On Jul 18, 2015
You, not being omniscient yourself, are here claiming that another thing is omniscient. However, you don't want others to deny your claim since they are not omniscient. Lol.

Morality which is defined by God is not true morality. It is subject to redefinition by God.

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by IsaacBuchi(m): 3:15pm On Jul 18, 2015
johnydon22:
That you don't know how something came about doesn't imply you should cook of any imaginary fiction to fill this gap. . .just say you don't know until study and observations proves otherwise

But, Atheist belief is based on faith and religious belief is based on faith. So atheist should not also claim the non-existence, is it not?
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by menesheh(m): 3:17pm On Jul 18, 2015
IsaacBuchi:


Pls I don't understand this thinking? How did the amazing universe and the intricate beauty of man came about?


will you accept god did it as an answer

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by IsaacBuchi(m): 3:25pm On Jul 18, 2015
menesheh:



will you accept god did it as an answer

I think it is logical to say that every thing created is by a higher intelligence. That is what I think is scientifically true. I accept that logic unless, you prove me wrong.
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by menesheh(m): 3:26pm On Jul 18, 2015
finofaya:
You, not being omniscient yourself, are here claiming that another thing is omniscient. However, you don't want others deny your claim since they are not omniscient. Lol.

Morality which is defined by God is not true morality. It is subject to redefinition by God.Unless life is a duty, it is only an option.


perfect

A god that cannot be defined by space, time and matter sent signals through some individuals to only one intelligent animals specie (human), telling them how the world came about the how they can obey or disobey him to make inexplicable heaven or hell.


is more absurd.

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:30pm On Jul 18, 2015
IsaacBuchi:


But, Atheist belief is based on faith and religious belief is based on faith. So atheist should not also claim the non-existence, is it not?
Disbelief is not a weight on the negate. . . atheism in a nutshell is simply "I don't believe you" so until you as the claimant of the god thesis proves your claim it is still as good as nothing. . . . Only Gnostic atheist will make the absolute statement "Am sure there is no god"

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by bi0nics: 3:33pm On Jul 18, 2015
johnydon22:
Disbelief is not a weight on the negate. . . atheism in a nutshell is simply "I don't believe you" so until you as the claimant of the god thesis proves your claim it is still as good as nothing. . . . Only Gnostic atheist will make the absolute statement "Am sure there is no god"

What are you?


Agnostic?
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:34pm On Jul 18, 2015
IsaacBuchi:


I think it is logical to say that every thing created is by a higher intelligence. That is what I think is scientifically true. I accept that logic unless, you prove me wrong.
it is absolutely illogical and irrational to fill a gap you don't have answers to with any thesis that pops in mind, it is misleading as it is preposterous. . it kill the intellectual curiosity that drives the zeal to learn what exactly happend.

If we have swallowed the god did answers of the ancient men, we wouldn't have gone to space by now, we would still be of the opinion that the sky is the abode of the gods.

Your analogy is like "I don't know how a child is formed, heck that means i will just believe a god does it" But just a simple touch of science with the use of ultra sound you can monitor the formation of a child first hand see exactly how it forms. . .

"God did it" is never an answer to any question

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by menesheh(m): 3:35pm On Jul 18, 2015
IsaacBuchi:


I think it is logical to say that every thing created is by a higher intelligence. That is what I think is scientifically true. I accept that logic unless, you prove me wrong.


i as an atheist don't doubt you until you substantiate how it happened, not just saying that it is logical to accept god did it as an answer until there is a disprove. there are many things we human never know or may never know about the universe, therefore any proposition to that aspect should come with apparent evidence and prove.
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:35pm On Jul 18, 2015
bi0nics:


What are you?


Agnostic?
Agnostic atheist

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by finofaya: 3:36pm On Jul 18, 2015
menesheh:
A god that cannot be define by space, time and matter sent signals through some individuals to only one intelligent animals specie (human), telling them how the world came about the how they can obey or disobey him to make inexplicable heaven or hell.

You don't mean it!

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by menesheh(m): 3:39pm On Jul 18, 2015
finofaya:


You don't mean it!


yea i mean it
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by bi0nics: 3:41pm On Jul 18, 2015
johnydon22:
Agnostic atheist
.

The Existence of God x Incapable of proof


More Like Einstein
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by IsaacBuchi(m): 3:41pm On Jul 18, 2015
johnydon22:
Disbelief is not a weight on the negate. . . atheism in a nutshell is simply "I don't believe you" so until you as the claimant of the god thesis proves your claim it is still as good as nothing. . . . Only Gnostic atheist will make the absolute statement "Am sure there is no god"

But science do not see a lot of things such as air, but believe in them and base their theories on them.
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by menesheh(m): 3:43pm On Jul 18, 2015
IsaacBuchi:


But science do not see a lot of things such air but believe in them and base their theories on them.


you don't see air but you feel it and its impact
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:43pm On Jul 18, 2015
bi0nics:
.

The Existence of God x Incapable of proof


More Like Einstein
Exactly,

and i disblief exactly the notion of spiritual
god concepts like Wotan, thor, yahweh, allah, osiris and every other concept humanity have cooked up within the years
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by Nobody: 3:45pm On Jul 18, 2015
johnydon22:
Agnostic atheist
So if a madman calls you by your name( with glowing eyes) and asks you serve yahweh, what would you make of it?
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:45pm On Jul 18, 2015
IsaacBuchi:


But science do not see a lot of things such as air, but believe in them and base their theories on them.
statements like this sell you off to be naive honestly. . . . Air can be measured, air in motion (wind) can be seen. . .Now tell me the method you used to determine the existence of YOUR own god concept...

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:46pm On Jul 18, 2015
timonski:

So if a madman calls you by your name and tells you serve yahweh, what would you make it?
exactly what you will make of it if a mad man calls you by name
and tell you that you serve Osiris

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Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:48pm On Jul 18, 2015
hahn:
Op. Please format your post to be more readable
The Op as copied and pasted as it is, is riddled with many misconceptions, assumptions, misrepresentation of many notions to cook a poorly worked christian apologetic article.

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