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The Absurdity Of Atheism by bi0nics: 1:27pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
atheists think they've 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by podosci(m): 1:34pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
The truth of the matter is God existence cannot be proved by the absobity exhibited by the religions of this world through the nuisance written in both the Bible or the Quran or the thousands of religion spread across the world. Religion demonizes God with it doctrines 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by Sunnystooth(m): 1:34pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
You ended up not saying anything reasonable at the end. What's your point exactly? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by ITbomb(m): 1:36pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
Couldn't read it cos of bad formatting but I agree with you, it is absurd 1 Like |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by bi0nics: 1:50pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
Sunnystooth: im not done |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by bi0nics: 1:54pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
NO PHILOSOPHICAL BASIS FOR ETHICS Beyond dispute there are moral atheists. I ve known atheists who are more ethical than some people claiming to believe in a god. This is not the issue. The question is, why be ethical? Can an adequate basis for morality be found given atheistic premises? Think about it. Unless God exists, there is no eternal and transcendent standard for right and wrong. If God did not give the Ten Commandments to Moses at Sinai, thereby establishing a moral standard above human creation, we are merely left with humanly devised scruples. If humanity is left to create its own ethical standards, we are left with only three options to base ethics upon: 1) collective tradition, 2) human survival, or 3) personal preference. IS COLLECTIVE TRADITION AN ETHICAL BASE? Those who argue that morality is properly based upon what society as a whole deems moral have a big problem. What one society says is moral another says is immoral. Nazi Germany held that it was morally good and beneficial to exterminate the Jewish people. The Allies saw the Nazis as evil and fought against them. Who was right? If one believes God gave the law You shall not murder, the answer is obvious. Any society that advocates murder is evil. How can an atheist respond? Most would admit the Nazis were evil, but according to what standard? Were the Nazis evil just because the Allies said they were evil or were they in fact evil? One can try to argue that it isn't just what a few societies say that matters, but what the majority of human societies agree upon. This does provide a better basis, since God has given us a conscience, but it has been corrupted by rebellion. At one time most human societies placed less value on female offspring than on males. In many societies female infants were left to die. In some places this exists today. This is morally wrong, no matter if the whole of human society were to say otherwise! Basing morality on human society does not provide an adequate answer. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by menesheh(m): 1:59pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
the post seems to me copy and paste material but not minding that though. you started with the contemporary evidences and the stiffness of some people's mind against the emerging evidence that disprove their old world view. You then delved into the absurdity of atheism. This to me is rigmarole with no destination. vividly point out those absurdities of atheism. 1 Like |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by Nobody: 2:04pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
podosci: Seconded! 1 Like |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by Misanthrope: 2:26pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
Your religion or lack of doesn't determine your ethical values. Ethics is a contentious topic that cover a hefty area in scientific disciplines and philosophical works. Although our culture, tradition and society plays a huge role in morality, they are complex approaches that have been used to study morality, such as the substrate of you frontal lobes, hormonal regulations, never synapses, and other environmental factors. It is inane to ask "since you don't believe in my imaginary friend, why are you not killing people?". You really have a distorted understanding of ethics. 3 Likes |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by hahn(m): 2:58pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
Op. Please format your post to be more readable |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by IsaacBuchi(m): 3:03pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
podosci: Pls I don't understand this thinking? How did the amazing universe and the intricate beauty of man came about? |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:05pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
IsaacBuchi:That you don't know how something came about doesn't imply you should cook up any imaginary fiction to fill this gap. . .just say you don't know until study and observations proves otherwise 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by finofaya: 3:07pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
You, not being omniscient yourself, are here claiming that another thing is omniscient. However, you don't want others to deny your claim since they are not omniscient. Lol. Morality which is defined by God is not true morality. It is subject to redefinition by God. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by IsaacBuchi(m): 3:15pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
johnydon22: But, Atheist belief is based on faith and religious belief is based on faith. So atheist should not also claim the non-existence, is it not? |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by menesheh(m): 3:17pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
IsaacBuchi: will you accept god did it as an answer 1 Like |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by IsaacBuchi(m): 3:25pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
menesheh: I think it is logical to say that every thing created is by a higher intelligence. That is what I think is scientifically true. I accept that logic unless, you prove me wrong. |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by menesheh(m): 3:26pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
finofaya: perfect A god that cannot be defined by space, time and matter sent signals through some individuals to only one intelligent animals specie (human), telling them how the world came about the how they can obey or disobey him to make inexplicable heaven or hell. is more absurd. 2 Likes |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:30pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
IsaacBuchi:Disbelief is not a weight on the negate. . . atheism in a nutshell is simply "I don't believe you" so until you as the claimant of the god thesis proves your claim it is still as good as nothing. . . . Only Gnostic atheist will make the absolute statement "Am sure there is no god" 2 Likes |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by bi0nics: 3:33pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
johnydon22: What are you? Agnostic? |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:34pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
IsaacBuchi:it is absolutely illogical and irrational to fill a gap you don't have answers to with any thesis that pops in mind, it is misleading as it is preposterous. . it kill the intellectual curiosity that drives the zeal to learn what exactly happend. If we have swallowed the god did answers of the ancient men, we wouldn't have gone to space by now, we would still be of the opinion that the sky is the abode of the gods. Your analogy is like "I don't know how a child is formed, heck that means i will just believe a god does it" But just a simple touch of science with the use of ultra sound you can monitor the formation of a child first hand see exactly how it forms. . . "God did it" is never an answer to any question 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by menesheh(m): 3:35pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
IsaacBuchi: i as an atheist don't doubt you until you substantiate how it happened, not just saying that it is logical to accept god did it as an answer until there is a disprove. there are many things we human never know or may never know about the universe, therefore any proposition to that aspect should come with apparent evidence and prove. |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:35pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
bi0nics:Agnostic atheist 2 Likes |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by finofaya: 3:36pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
menesheh: You don't mean it! 1 Like |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by menesheh(m): 3:39pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by bi0nics: 3:41pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by IsaacBuchi(m): 3:41pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
johnydon22: But science do not see a lot of things such as air, but believe in them and base their theories on them. |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by menesheh(m): 3:43pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
IsaacBuchi: you don't see air but you feel it and its impact |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:43pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
bi0nics:Exactly, and i disblief exactly the notion of spiritual god concepts like Wotan, thor, yahweh, allah, osiris and every other concept humanity have cooked up within the years |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by Nobody: 3:45pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
johnydon22:So if a madman calls you by your name( with glowing eyes) and asks you serve yahweh, what would you make of it? |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:45pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
IsaacBuchi:statements like this sell you off to be naive honestly. . . . Air can be measured, air in motion (wind) can be seen. . .Now tell me the method you used to determine the existence of YOUR own god concept... 1 Like |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:46pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
timonski:exactly what you will make of it if a mad man calls you by name and tell you that you serve Osiris 1 Like |
Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:48pm On Jul 18, 2015 |
hahn:The Op as copied and pasted as it is, is riddled with many misconceptions, assumptions, misrepresentation of many notions to cook a poorly worked christian apologetic article. 1 Like |
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