₦airaland Forum

coolscott:
Again you buttress my point.

"Anioma and present day Anambra communities..."

What percentage do these two make of the Igbo people? And what was the rest of the Igbo population doing when these two were fighting?

Let me guess.
1) going to their farms
2) getting married
3) organising yam festivals
4) and doing all the other things that communities that mind their business do

If you could not see this before you made your post, I am tempted to say that a shallow intellect plaguing you and your kind has helped immensely in keeping your kind in their second fiddle role politically in Nigeria

Ode! The colonialists were invading via the river niger, it makes sense that we that were close to the river tackle them.

fr3do:
Ode! The colonialists were invading via the river niger, it makes sense that we that were close to the river tackle them.

[size=14pt]Ha ha! While the others go on holiday.
Even now the concept of an ethnic-wide military mobilisation eludes you. It is beyond the reach of your mind.
[/size]

coolscott:
[size=14pt]Ha ha! While the others go on holiday.
Even now the concept of an ethnic-wide military mobilisation eludes you. It is beyond the reach of your mind.
[/size]

You just want to win a baseless online argument, cause I don't see sense in what you are saying.

I wish to inform all here that the moniker HopeAthand who claims to be an Ikwerre is a not from Rivers state. He is an imposter from the SW whose objective is to cause rift and disharmony between we from Rivers state and those from the SE. He speaks for himself and not for us. Read this:

Culled from the thread: How Igbos Are Treated in The North.

You thought you were smart all the while until you carelessly busted your cover with your divide and rule tactics. You first tried to cause a rift between the SE/SS. Someone cautioned but we didn't pay attention to him. Maybe because he was from the SE. This was his comment.

CyberWolf :
this thread was just moving fine until you started playing the ethnic card..Why did you start calling Igbos? Is Igbos that created the 12 states? Is it Igbos that increased it to 19? If I insult you, it will look as if I'm a bad person ...Anyway continue with your lies

You responded with this comment:

HopeAtHand :
So are you're infering that Major Chukwuma K. Nzeogwu didn't scuttle true federalism or he isnt Igbo..or what?
Are you also saying Aguiyi-Ironsi did not make a decree uniting all regions under him as a precursor to Unitary system or he isnt Igbo..What is the problem mister??
Or are you saying Irinsi passed when in earnest he failed woefully when he refused to deal with Nzeogwu and conduct fresh elections and return Nigeria back to regional system of govt?
What!!!!!!

Notwithstanding your smartness (even when you were trying to deviate all blames to the Igbos). You then deviously device another plan. This time you decided to turn your fist on your supposed state. This was you divisive comment.

Not just the village, the argument will end at the family level.the family who owns the land will demand their land, their oil.
The true federalism or fiscal federalism or whatever its called will be argued nonstop.agitations and court cases and judgements will abound because the Nigerian sectionalism has eaten so deep..The local govt chairman may become the juiciest elected position...You see local councils splitting along clannish lines.That is when you will know that in Opobo, the Nkoro man (maybe because he produces the bulk of the oil in Opobo) wil say his clan should be a separate Lg and agitate for that..The Ogu man in Ogu/Bolo same thing, the Akporman in Obio/Akpor LGA.
The endpoint will be the family within the locality where the mineral resource comes from..they will want control of resource wirhin their land..That is true federalism to me.

You foolishly continued with this.

HopeAtHand :
If other regions arent alien, give Ogonis the opportunity to leave Nigeria and see if they will invite the Okrika man to join them though they've been neighbours for centuries
Truth be told, the tribalism and sectionalism has gotten deep into the marrow of Nigeria..most tribes/erhnic groups believe that that their destiny isnt attached to another tribe and they will happily go it alone...
Im asking you if not for geographic boundaries thay puts some of us in same state what do we have in common both in language and culture.
Am not 'happy my resources end up in the North', am also not happy it is shared in some part of the south..but i will be most satisfied if i held onto all of it..what is mine is for me alone.

And this:

Oil politics 101 for you..Who is delaying the cleanup of Ogoniland after the UNEP report adviced same, the Ijaws in Ogu bolo LGA.
Why did the Ikwerre people of Nkpolu-Oroworukwo disagre that RSUST should not be moved to another Ikwerre town of Igwuruta...this is what it is...u cant blame me for spotting it out, i did not invent sectionism
When we are ready for fiscal federalism, you will know..we will start showing ourselves love by not embezzling funds and standing in the way of progress of neighbouring tribes/ethnicities

Then we eventually took you serious, first by:

Mogidi :
Lets not go there mate.
If Opobo is pumping 200,000bpd of crude oil, should the village where the oil is located enjoy it alone or should the whole Opobo reap the benefits?
Give it to the states and the scenario you painted above won't occur.

You're arguing from the stand point of an anarchist.
You paint other lga as aliens, your perspective is shallow, look at the bigger picture. Are you happy now that the bulk of your resources ends up in the north?

Then Atlwireles:

atlwireles :
What have you learnt from this OP? think outside the box ,.God bless NL, as the bible says, by their fruits we shall know them. When a person thinks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, they cannot be called a goat. Mogidi don't waste your time with him.

Then by me:

Eastlink :
The Ogoni man and the Okrika man have a whole lot in common regardless of the Oil. The same goes for other minorities in the ND by virtue of similar culture, religion, political affiliation and regional consciousness which began centuries ago. So please limit your shallowness when out to make your sentimental points.

Again

Your arguments are baseless. In immediate families there are evidence of brothers going against brothers just to have their individual interests protected. That doesn't make them enemies. The same dilemma is witnessed everywhere around the globe.

Finally this is how we finally nailed the imposter:
This is the link:
www.nairaland.com/2441434/nigeria-still-date-truth/7

pazienza:
Ok. At this juncture, I would like to know the ethnic group in SS that you are specifically from, God help you that it's not Edo, cos if it is, I am going to so tear you apart, you will regret ever starting this debate.

Without knowing your ethnic group, this discussion can't truly hold, cos it's all about comparison.

let's compare your ethnic group and Igbos pre colonially, colonially and in independent Nigeria.

SS, is a nebulous term. Step into the light, reveal your ethnic group, I dare you.

[size=13pt] The picture below summarises my position. We are not insecure about our cultural identity and heritage. We are as cool as cucumber. You bother other Nigerians because of your inner insecurities.[/size]

Eastlink:
I wish to inform all here that the moniker HopeAthand who claims to be an Ikwerre is a not from Rivers state. He is an imposter from the SW whose objective is to cause rift and disharmony between we from Rivers state and those from the SE. He speaks for himself and not for us. Read this:

Culled from the thread: How Igbos Are Treated in The North.

You thought you were smart all the while until you carelessly busted your cover with your divide and rule tactics. You first tried to cause a rift between the SE/SS. Someone cautioned but we didn't pay attention to him. Maybe because he was from the SE. This was his comment.


You responded with this comment:


Notwithstanding your smartness (even when you were trying to deviate all blames to the Igbos). You then deviously device another plan. This time you decided to turn your fist on your supposed state. This was you divisive comment.


You foolishly continued with this.


And this:

Then we eventually took you serious, first by:


Then Atlwireles:

Then by me:

Again

Finally this is how we finally nailed the imposter:
This is the link:
www.nairaland.com/2441434/nigeria-still-date-truth/7

I didn't expect your analysis to be anything other than subjective.If you're from Rivers, you will understand the clannishness rooted in the state..i gave a clear analysis of the situation at hand.

Rivers state looks united on the outside but deep within lies ethnic strife..The Jonathan re-election bid somehow strenghtened unity among the ethnicities but its still a far cry away from being one united state.

Call me Sudanese or whatever, i dnt care.im not obligated to prove anything to you.

I agree. There's even an affordable way to call Nigeria, UK, CANADA and the USA for only $29/month. It's really shocking and hard to believe but check it out yourself:

http://jumbocalls.com/estore/unlimitedcalls.aspx

podosci:
Sit down and evaluate it....apart from a very huge population of Igbos who would end up marginalizing us in the south south, what can we gain from the five eastern states? The beat economic decision would be to declare our own republic.
We would even gain money from taxing the biafran state on anything it wants to import through our air and land space, even waterways since the five biafran states would be landlocked

Why do u think the Isekiris want to go with Yoruba always?
Its simply because of their population for protection.
Likewise u will HV our population for protection.
In Naija r u not marginalized already?
Which is even better for u, to be marginalized in a country of 170,000,000 or to be marginalized in a country of 50,000,000?

NormalCodes:
So why are u not dictating to Oduduwa kingdom how u will not be part of them, u see?

Remove Igbo part of Edo, we no get business that area, we respect the monarchical system of leadership in Edo, and at such we respect the seat of Oba of Benin, but in Biafraland we are republican, so you people and Oduduwa fit wella.
In Biafraland we believe that God is the one and only king.

Sir, kindly adjust ur view a bit, look west side, the east side is for us.
thank u very much.

Dont forget that d urhobos, itsekiri, delta-ijaws orginated frm Edo state as well

NAIJASOM:
Frequently asked questions about Igbos and their answers by Ogaranya Uju Nkwocha Afulezi, Ph.D., Duru Akwukwo III Ndi Umuohiagu



Question: Is Southeast and Igboland the same thing?

Answer: Not at all. Southeast is only about 3/5th of Igboland. Igboland covers the whole of Southeast, parts of Rivers, Delta, Benue, and Akwa Ibom states.

Question: Why were we taught in school that Igbo people are easterners?

Answer: It is both an unfortunate parroting by teachers and careless adoption by Igbo educated class. Igbo people come from Southern Nigeria and not Eastern Nigeria. It may be correct to say that the Igbo are found predominantly in eastern Nigeria. However, by saying that the Igbo are easterners, the implication is that the Igbo in western Nigeria, numbering about 2.5 million (Agbor, Ogwashi Ukwu, Ibuzo, Okpanam, Asaba, Orimili, Ndokwa, Anioma, etc) are not Igbos. The best known Igbo anthropologist Professor Mike Onwuejeogwu is from the western part of Nigeria, Chukwuma Nzeogwu, Dennis Osadebe, Okonkwo Adibe (the famous musician), Sony Odogwu, etc. are all from the western part of Nigeria. They are no less Igbo than those who live in the eastern part of Nigeria. The correct answer to your question is "the Igbo come from Southern Nigeria."

Question: Why do some Igbo refer to themselves as "core Igbo?"

Answer: That is clearly arrant nonsense. Nobody is core and others peripheral. All Igbo are the same. It is both arrogant, thoughtless and insensitive for anybody to regard others as marginal.

Question: Is Igboland landlocked?

Answer: [/b]Not at all. Igboland stretches from Igwe Ocha (Port Harcourt) to Agbor. The Atlantic ocean washes the shores of Igboland. Africa's second largest river - River Niger, traverses Igboland with one part of Igboland in the east and another part in the west of Nigeria. Uguta Lake has the potential of accommodating large ships and could be made a navigable port. If Igboland is landlocked, then all Nigeria is landlocked.

[b]Question: Is there oil in Igboland?

Answer: [/b]Yes, indeed. There is a lot of oil in Imo State, Abia, Ebonyi, Rivers State and Delta States Igbo areas, and now in Anambra. Besides, Igboland has many other natural resources, including coal, limestone, etc.

[b]Question: Are the Igbo a nation or a tribe?

Answer: [/b]The Igbo are a nation, and a very large one. There are many tribes in Igbo nation, just like you have many tribes within Israel.

[b]Question: Why do some Ikwerre people say they are not Igbo?

Answer: First, it is not up to them to say what they are and what they are not. When God created them, He did not ask them who they wanted to be. He just created them Igbo. The only way you'll know who belongs to what ethnic group in Nigeria is the name and what language the name comes from. Anybody whose name is Amadi or Onyeri, or Eke, or Odili, Wanodi (Nwanodi) does not need to tell you who he is. He is Igbo, his politics notwithstanding.

Question: But they claim that their language is Ikwerre, not Igbo.

Answer: That is politics. Ikwerre is a dialect of Igbo language. Just like an Ngwa man speaks Ngwa Igbo, Arochukwu speaks Arochukwu Igbo, etc.

Question: Some people say that Igbo language is not complete, is it true?

Answer: [/b]No language is complete. All languages borrow from each other. Igbo language is very rich. It has inexhaustible and rich linguistic features like idioms, proverbs, aphorisms, sayings, anecdotes, riddles, folklores, etc. Igbo language is one of the major languages of the world, being spoken by millions of people.

[b]Question: How many are the Igbo?

Answer: The Igbo are very numerous. There is educated guess that if Nigeria's census is properly enumerated, the Igbo could easily be the largest ethnic group in the country. They may number up to 40 million. Everything right now, is speculation. Nobody knows the true stratification or ethnic populations in Nigeria. The Igbo are the only ethnic group found in large numbers everywhere in Nigeria, and foreign countries more than any other ethnic group in Africa.

Question: Do the Igbo have a culture of their own?

Answer: [/b]Yes, indeed. Igbo culture is perhaps, one of the richest and all-encompassing cultures in this world. Igbo culture always observes the temporal and the spiritual aspects of cosmology. The study of Igbo culture reveals that it is extremely deep and original.

[b]Question: Why do the Igbo wear Yoruba Agbada and Hausa babban riga but the Yoruba and the Hausa do not ever wear Igbo national dress?

Answer: Unfortunately this is the case. The Igbo have very attractive and resplendent national dresses. And they come in assortments that are extremely dignifying. The Igbo take up foreign cultures more readily than other Nigerians, and they seem not to care that nobody reciprocates their carefree attitude to life. Most ethnics promote their cultures and show off what makes them unique. Actually, it is still the same so-called educated Igbo class who behave in such disgraceful and the devil-may-care attitude.

Question: Why do the Igbo call themselves Biafrans?

Answer: Great question. Some people have the idea that Biafra originates from the Bight of Biafra. But that is wrong. There was the Kingdom of Biafra that ruled most of the ancient world about 50,000 years ago. Unfortunately, nobody talks about it, for whatever reason, I do not know. But, it is in the ancient maps of the world. If you wish I'll make a copy and send to you.

Question: Were the Igbo also taken into slavery during the slave trade?

Answer: [/b]Yes. The Igbo slaves themselves gave account of their travails in slavery. Olauda Ekwuano an Igbo ex-slave who bought his freedom in Britain was the first slave to write about his experience in slavery. His book has become a classic. You ought to find it and read it. Also, other Igbos who were brought to America revolted and some walked back on water and were said to have returned to Africa. Several books have been written about them. One of such books is "Ibo Landing." It is available in bookstores like Barnes & Noble. In Haiti, the Igbo settled there and refused to be colonized by anybody. There are many places where the Igbo left their mark or their signature.

[b]Question: How did the Igbo know days and years?

Answer: [/b]The Igbo invented an accurate, if not the most accurate calendar called "Iguafo Igbo (Igbo Calendar)." In Igbo calendar, there are four market days - Eke, Afor, Nkwo, Orie that make one week. Four days make one week, seven weeks make one month, and thirteen months make one year. There are 28 days for each month, with the last month having 29 days. Each month starts the same day as the previous. Igbo calendar forms the perfect astronomical alignment with the cosmos, and regulates the seasons, agriculture, navigation, astrology, geography, mathematics, travel, etc.

[b]Question: Did the Igbo have their own alphabets?

Answer: [/b]Yes, indeed. It is called "Nsibidi."

[b]Question: How about mathematics; did the Igbo know mathematics?

Answer: [/b]Yes, indeed. There are such inventions as "Okwe" and "Mkpisi" which the Igbo used to resolve figures.

[b]Question: Did the Igbo know anything about banking?

Answer: [/b]Yes. Igbo banking was more in the nature of Savings and Loans. The authentic Igbo savings and loans invention called "Isusu' in which contributions are pooled each week and one person, who has the need, collects, is still in practice. Igbo slaves took this invention to the Caribbean Islands where they still practise it and call it "Sue Sue."

[b]Question: Some people say that Igboland is too small for the Igbo, that they have no alternative than to live as Nigerians: is this true?

Answer: False. Igboland is a large country. Do every Igbo need to stay and work in Igboland? No. Everywhere in the world, some will stay home while others venture abroad in search of opportunities. Igboland is large enough for the Igbo. And it is a very rich and hospitable part of the world. It has rich soil for agriculture, abundant rainfall, good sunshine, and table land in many parts. Its land space and population are more than that of over half of the present countries in the world.

Question: Where did the Igbo come from?

Answer: That question is still being asked. There are very intriguing theories or histories now being studied. You may have heard of the Jewish angle, the Egypt angle, and the Origin of man angle. This twenty-first century, hopefully, will resolve the mystery.

Question: Why do people say that the Igbo are not united?

Answer: Those who say so, do so out of ignorance. The Igbo are famous for their unity. In the colonial period and the First Republic of Nigeria, the Igbo were always envied for their unity. Under Igbo Union, they accomplished many things. They were feared by others for this. Since after the war, the Igbo are gradually recovering and getting rid of the individualism they developed brought about by their war experience which enabled them to survive as a disinherited people. Now, there are vigorous efforts to reunite them and return them to their old glory which served them well in the past.

Question: Some people say that the Igbo are susceptible to being bought by some other Nigerians, and that they "sell" the Igbo in the bargain; is this true?

Answer: The same parroting and recycling of unfounded talk. When you hear such a talk, challenge the one who is mouthing it to give you evidence, or to cite an example of such an Igbo person. He is likely to say "what of Jim Nwobodo?" Tell him that the Igbo number about 40 million, if it would be fair for the action of one person to represent the integrity of the other 3.99.9 million. The truth is that an Igbo is like any other human being, when he sees where he can take advantage of a situation, he goes for it. It has nothing to do with "selling." Were we not told that fish clusters where the river was deepest or that the dog follows he who has crumbs? Not long ago in the history of Nigeria, other Nigerians were also running after the Igbo for crumbs because the Igbo were in position to call the shots. Things will not remain as they are today. In fact, things are changing fast.

Question: Why are other Nigerians always persecuting the Igbo?

[b]Answer: [/b]I have always tried to know myself. I am one of those who believe that the Igbo are among the most peaceful people on earth. But, because of the fact that they are very hardworking, ambitious, and not afraid to live anywhere, or take up any task, they tend to be resented by their less ambitious and successful neighbors or hosts. When you confront a non-Igbo to say what specific offense the Igbo have committed against them, oftentimes they draw blank, or engage in fabrications, which they insist must stand for a fact. The Igbo believe in live-and-let-live. It is virtually impossible for any Igbo to rise against their guests or hosts. It has never happened in Nigeria, or elsewhere. It is an abomination in Igboland for a host to cause his guest harm. Instead, a guest is considered metaphysically and physically under the protection of the host. All Igbo deities forbid doing harm to a guest. The Igbo are accused of "loving money." I suppose the charge is based on the fact that they work hard and acquire money in the bargain. One would like to believe that the outcome of hardwork is good harvest and hopefully prosperity. If anybody take-Do the Igbo have their own system of jurisprudence before the arrival of the white mans offense at the prosperity of a hardworking person, then the Igbo or for that matter any other person or persons, have no apologies to render.


Answer: [/b]Yes. The Igbo had a system of resolving conflicts. The elders were presented with cases that could not be satisfactorily settled within the family or kindred. Matters where veracity must be ascertained, the Igbo resort to spirituality. Oath-taking is a matter left to the spirits to settle. Those who swear falsely were expected to be killed by the spirits within a given period. After the period, he is acquitted and he could celebrate with public merry-making. The Igbo did not have any prisons, but they could ostracise a culprit, exile him, or send him into slavery or to serve to a deity.

[b]Question: Why don't the Igbo teach these things you are telling me to their children?

[b]Answer: [/b]In the pursuit of what they taught was the "new way" either from Europeans or o Christianity, the Igbo began to distance themselves from their heritage, and in the process became lost in the wilderness of a world they hardly understand. They have learned their lesson the hard way. The twenty-first century will lead them back home.

freedom is close

coolscott:
See these uncivilized Igbos...
You have the efunctry to call us (south-southeners) Igbos who sold you guys as slaves all along Nigeria's southern coast to the white man.

You who could never form yourselves into one political unit.

You who have never had a military.

You who never knew the boundaries of the area covered by Igbo-speaking people until the 20th century.

You who are so "intelligent" every 4 years, the fight for presidency and the fight for Biafra reaches its peak. Even children would know it is self-shooting in the foot.

It is time we started referring to you people as the inferior rascally people that you are...

...who up till now in this 21st century still kill yourselves over chieftaincy titles when other south-south kingdoms solidly set their chieves, senate houses, and royal structure 100s of years ago.

I hear Ojukwu told some south-south guys "good morning". In return, I more fittingly say "Good morning and stop making more noise than others since you were the last to get up and actually, the last to be born. Keep quiet and learn"

I see that you will remain the most disgruntled Nigerians and the most subjugated for all your sustained misdemeanors.

Your ranting against the Igbo nation will never stop her from speeding ahead of you and your tribe in all endeavor. It is a known fact that we look inward. Our pride is in what we can generate from our working brain, not over-reliance on natural resource that may never be there tomorrow. @coolscot, your hatred for Indigbo is so pathetic. Thank God, the real Niger Deltans are waking up to reality. Good Morning

coolscott:
Thank you.
They don't even know how to secceed and it does not necessarily require arms. At this rate, they will never succeed unless the rest of the country kicks them out.

So let us help them.
Show them the diplomatic route to take and achieve this as soon as possible.

Now you talk about seceding without arms. Who are the ones agitating with the use of force? IPOB/MASSOB = peaceful protest, and diplomatic measures. Niger Deltans = Militancy and Oil infrastructure sabotage. The reality is staring you in the face. Quit your Igbo hatred. It will do you no good.

coolscott:
[size=13pt] The picture below summarises my position. We are not insecure about our cultural identity and heritage. We are as cool as cucumber. You bother other Nigerians because of your inner insecurities.[/size]

Yet you failed to identify with your tribe. Its unfortunate that Pazienza is no more active here on Nairaland.

coolscott:
[size=14pt]Ha ha! While the others go on holiday.
Even now the concept of an ethnic-wide military mobilisation eludes you. It is beyond the reach of your mind.
[/size]

What tribe are you from,black man?

.








.

Stop misinforming People, the REAL Lagosians area Awori/Ijebu Yorubas and Egun people in Badagary axis of the State.
The Oba of Eko (a part of Lagos Island) and some of his chiefs are the people that came from Bini just like the Governor-General and some Government officials in colonial Nigeria were from Britain but the real Nigerians were indigenous peoples.

does that make Onitsha people edo people? Havent you heard the history that said the real lagosians migrated from edo?

How did I miss this thread. I would have just made a big statement and ended the debate by my trademark response...Afonja and a picture affixed. NgeneNkoli, Sachris and co are are Afonjas masquerading as Igbo wannabe or SS.

Freedom2016:
How did I miss this thread. I would have just made a big statement and ended the debate by my trademark response...Afonja and a picture affixed. NgeneNkoli, Sachris and co are are Afonjas masquerading as Igbo wannabe or SS.

This people are not afonja...I can only see one or two afonja there...dat baby is Fulani,I can see a kanuri among them too....pls,these are not afonja

sexybbstar:
This people are not afonja...I can only see one or two afonja there...dat baby is Fulani,I can see a kanuri among them too....pls,these are not afonja

I thought I was the only one that spotted the Kanuri tribal marks on the face of the 1st guy on the left. Anyway, people who keep posting pictures of tribal marks lack intellectual depth and have nothing to contribute to any on-going debate. That is why they take refuge in inanities like tattoos, tribal marks etc. Ah well....like they say, common sense is not common.

laudate:
I thought I was the only one that spotted the Kanuri tribal marks on the face of the 1st guy on the left. Anyway, people who keep posting pictures of tribal marks lack intellectual depth and have nothing to contribute to any on-going debate. That is why they take refuge in inanities like tattoos, tribal marks etc. Ah well....like they say, common sense is not common.

That's just it.....no common sense

Are

sexybbstar:
That's just it.....no common sense

are you from Afonja lineage as well?

backtosender:
Areare you from Afonja lineage as well?

A proud afonja