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Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by Kashif(m): 6:16am On Aug 24, 2015
IdaraCHODB:


Yes, he is not replacing the tranny agreed!

But he has bad ATF which flows through the oil cooler lines and oil cooler. Especially if he did not use a synthetic ATF.

If the tranny has degraded so much, and he doesn't plan on replacing the tranny anytime soon, then i recommend that he puts two and two together, that is, make a learned inference from the above service bulletin.

his oil cooler is now clogged, same goes for the transmission lines, in addition to the dirts clogging the transmission itself.

So I would flush not with a machine but via the return line method first until fluid is clear, he may need up to 6 litres above normal ATF capacity to get this done

THEN

disconnect tranny lines and oil coolers

AND DO

a backflush, a flush and another backflush using fluids and air compressor methods

THEN

reconnect.

if he doesn't follow this procedure, all his new ATF will be immediately contaminated and will turn brown within 5,000 to 10,000 miles

each subsequent minor drain and refill without clearing the oil cooler and lines will continually increase the debris until the transmission packs up

So true, Mazda didn't say so, but I can infer that he needs to do it or pay the price of a transmission replacement in 30,000 to 50,000 miles.




From his post, I could not find enough information to deduce his atf has debris. A dying transmission will die, even if you use honey as atf.
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by lele007: 9:48am On Aug 24, 2015
@
Kashif,
USAutobuy
IdaraCHODB

Thanks for helping out.

I don't think the transmission is about to die, given that its pretty normal when I don't drive for a while. Only acts up when it gets warm.

Previous ATF service the mechanic used something he shouldn't have (Oando or whatever, I wasn't there) and less than 3000 km later its now brown.

I think I'll just drain and fill 2 times within 500 miles with Mobil 1 synthetic to get to a safe level of bad oil dilution, and hope for d best. There's no debris on the dipstick as far as I can see, and in Jesus name, this same transmission will carry me for the next X ,000s miles till I'm ready to sell this car.

Amen? Thanks again.
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by Kashif(m): 10:25am On Aug 24, 2015
lele007:
@
Kashif,
USAutobuy
IdaraCHODB

Thanks for helping out.

I don't think the transmission is about to die, given that its pretty normal when I don't drive for a while. Only acts up when it gets warm.

Previous ATF service the mechanic used something he shouldn't have (Oando or whatever, I wasn't there) and less than 3000 km later its now brown.

I think I'll just drain and fill 2 times within 500 miles with Mobil 1 synthetic to get to a safe level of bad oil dilution, and hope for d best. There's no debris on the dipstick as far as I can see, and in Jesus name, this same transmission will carry me for the next X ,000s miles till I'm ready to sell this car.

Amen? Thanks again.

I did not mean that your transmission is dying. I was only trying to correct the impression that atf change cures most transmission palavars.

Just do a few drain and refills, and you should hopefully be fine. A way to know if you have debris though is to drop a few drops of your atf on clean white tissue paper. They will show there.
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by IdaraCHODB(m): 12:02pm On Aug 24, 2015
I have the utmost respect for my peers so I worded my initial post and response carefully.

I did not disparage anyone or method, I simply provided an alternative approach and I did not say take my word for it, I defended why I take the position I hold so you can make an informed choice. I do not subscribe to the cult of authority, do it because I(an expert) says so, I believe you should take that position because it is rational or makes sense. And you should decide with the help of all the facts you can muster.

I accept that there are many routes to the same location.

I never recommended a transmission flush, I mean I never recommended a power transmission flush! Neither did the manufacturer

I recommended a gentle flush via the drain and refill method using about 6 litres more than you use for normal drain and refill which will make the fluid run until it becomes clear thus reducing by nearly 70% TO 90% the amount of old ATF in your system.

Now on the second issue of cooler line and oil cooler flush, that is a recommended procedure for rebuilds, but what harm would it cause to do it before you get to the stage of a rebuild? NONE! Why are rebuilds necessary? One of the reasons is that overtime contaminants build up and clog the system.

Now, like it or like it not, every time you use your transmission or even the engine, it creates particles which in combination with the effect of friction and heat and oxidation cause it to change colour. Is that not why you change your oil filter along with the engine oil? What happens in the engine as far as contaminants and particles being created also happens in the transmission and the perfect place for them to hide is guess what? the oil cooler and the oil cooler lines! And if you don't do something about those? Guess where they will end up? Guess what the end result will always be?

Do you know how a mesh looks like? Look it up! Unless you do a backflush a flush and another backflush using fluids and air, those particles will remain in the transmission oil cooler and cooler lines, many transmission shops do not care, but I am anal about it.

Your alternative is to buy a new radiator and a new oil cooler. Matter of fact, some people actually replace those with a rebuild rather than flush, the idea is simple, reduce the number of contaminants that get into the transmission.

You can also install an inline filter to ensure that its filtered ATF that the pump feeds to the transmission.

I also said heat is the best enemy of your transmission beyond using quality ATF to delay degradation, increase the cooling capacity of your ATF beyond stock and your transmission will thank you for it with an extended lifespan

Educate yourself at the below:
http://www.mazda3forums.com/95-maintenance-care/262875-how-install-transmission-cooler-flush-8-quarts-atf.html
http://www.mazda3forums.com/95-maintenance-care/331789-how-drain-flush-atf-fluid-atx-mazda-3-a-21.html
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130918102911AAwnVm2

All the best

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Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by ifnyioj22(m): 4:35pm On Aug 24, 2015
Dr. Pls wat is the recommended Atf for mitsubishi endeavour 04/05? I bought the car about a year ago but haven't really driven far, any need to change the Atf it came with? because my mechanic said it's still Ok....
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by billionjoys: 5:07pm On Aug 24, 2015
cardoctor:


1992 car? 23 years? What do you expect after so much mileage? Gearbox should be due for change if not maintained properly. BTW, what's the mileage?
Thanks Car Doctor
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by femicousim: 6:46pm On Aug 25, 2015
lele007:
@
Kashif,
USAutobuy
IdaraCHODB

Thanks for helping out.

I don't think the transmission is about to die, given that its pretty normal when I don't drive for a while. Only acts up when it gets warm.

Previous ATF service the mechanic used something he shouldn't have (Oando or whatever, I wasn't there) and less than 3000 km later its now brown.

I think I'll just drain and fill 2 times within 500 miles with Mobil 1 synthetic to get to a safe level of bad oil dilution, and hope for d best. There's no debris on the dipstick as far as I can see, and in Jesus name, this same transmission will carry me for the next X ,000s miles till I'm ready to sell this car.

Amen? Thanks again.

well, you might want to scan that vehicle, from your description of the symptoms it might well be an automatic transmission valve control assembly, so you might want to check which solenoid is acting up, so if you replace the fluid and it is still acting up please be sure to pay the vave body some attention
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by 0gbeni(m): 7:40pm On Aug 25, 2015
Good evening chief, I use a an auto golf 3, I've noticed that each time I enter a porthole/bump, my gear refuses to change, the car's rpm just increases, my mechanic is advocating for a transmission fluid change but I want to seek other opinions before taking a decision .thanks
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by krystaball: 12:44pm On Aug 26, 2015
0gbeni:
Good evening chief, I use a an auto golf 3, I've noticed that each time I enter a porthole/bump, my gear refuses to change, the car's rpm just increases, my mechanic is advocating for a transmission fluid change but I want to seek other opinions before taking a decision .thanks

The first decision is to scan that vehicle. For your scan and diagnosis..call 07011822425.
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by 0gbeni(m): 4:13pm On Aug 31, 2015
krystaball:


The first decision is to scan that vehicle. For your scan and diagnosis..call 07011822425.
okay, im in ife/ibadan ..where are you based ?
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by usorohita: 10:04am On Sep 03, 2015
please I have an Honda Accord 2003 model with V6, 3.0L; SOHC; 24V; MPFI engine with automatic transmission and it does not enter reverse gear. please what is the way forward and what should i do to tackle this problem. thanks
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by Kashif(m): 5:50pm On Sep 03, 2015
usorohita:
please I have an Honda Accord 2003 model with V6, 3.0L; SOHC; 24V; MPFI engine with automatic transmission and it does not enter reverse gear. please what is the way forward and what should i do to tackle this problem. thanks

It does not select or it does not engage?
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by krystaball: 9:14pm On Sep 03, 2015
0gbeni:

okay, im in ife/ibadan ..where are you based ?

Oops, i am in Lagos but will be covering ibadan axis towards ending of the month.
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by lele007: 2:32pm On Oct 06, 2015
@
Kashif,
USAutobuy
IdaraCHODB

By way of an update...

Drained about 3+ liters of ATF, which is less than half of the transmission capacity - but all you can get out through the drain plug hole - and topped off with Mobil 1 ATF. Since then I only got the AT warning light once, after some (relatively) hard accelerating. On the whole problem seems to have disappeared.

A forum post at this link seems to suggest that it is a computer/software problem: http://forums.redflagdeals.com/2004-mazda3-gt-auto-light-any-thoughts-1323644/

Any way, will put in my final 3 liters of Mobil 1 probably this weekend, probably do it myself, as the mechanic I went to for the last drain-fill poured away about half a quart of my mobil red gold embarassed. Imagine paying somebody for clumsily doing something you can do yourself if you had the right spanner/wrench.

Scanned with a simple OBDII reader, didnt detect any AT codes. Hoping I've seen the last of that problem.
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by IdaraCHODB(m): 5:20am On Oct 08, 2015
lele007:
@
Kashif,
USAutobuy
IdaraCHODB

By way of an update...

Drained about 3+ liters of ATF, which is less than half of the transmission capacity - but all you can get out through the drain plug hole - and topped off with Mobil 1 ATF. Since then I only got the AT warning light once, after some (relatively) hard accelerating. On the whole problem seems to have disappeared.

A forum post at this link seems to suggest that it is a computer/software problem: http://forums.redflagdeals.com/2004-mazda3-gt-auto-light-any-thoughts-1323644/

Any way, will put in my final 3 liters of Mobil 1 probably this weekend, probably do it myself, as the mechanic I went to for the last drain-fill poured away about half a quart of my mobil red gold embarassed. Imagine paying somebody for clumsily doing something you can do yourself if you had the right spanner/wrench.

Scanned with a simple OBDII reader, didnt detect any AT codes. Hoping I've seen the last of that problem.

And the right spanner/wrench (bought as a set) will not set you back more than 20,000 naira. Now divide that by the number of times you will use it, and it just makes sense!

Guess why I decided to drop and replace my transmission all by myself? Primarily because of electrical faults that would follow as a matter of fact from each such replacement due to carelessness!

Great to know things are looking great and you have gone on to make more research on your car and the fault you experienced!
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by Flooerin(m): 9:22pm On Oct 08, 2015
Am about to buy a Passat 1999 model with automatic gear that is dead. Can it be repaired? Any issues with Audi 80 1998 model automatic gear box? Kindly save a soul
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by lele007: 4:38pm On Oct 13, 2015
bro, automatics cannot be repaired, especially if correctly described as dead. All you can do is to buy a replacement tokunbo gearbox unit. It's a different thing if the automatic is acting strange; repairability will then depend on what the problem is. But a car with a "dead" auto transmission needs a new transmission.

do not let anybody, no matter how they describe themselves, tell you otherwise, especially the person trying to sell the car to you.
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by andresia(m): 7:37am On Oct 16, 2015
I recently had a crash with my car (a baby boy 98 4plug) and one of the switch on the gearbox got broken.

Pls how can it be replaced as the switch seems to be glued together with the gearbox

Gazzuz, lomomike, cardoctor, luvinhubby, et al, pls assist

Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by Nobody: 3:05am On Oct 22, 2015
Hello house, I drive a Honda accord 2000, v6 engine. I had issues wit the ttransmission and had a local mechanic change it. Cost about 120k. I asked which atf he used, he said abro or something.

A week after replacement, somehow, my fan stopped working and I didnt realize until the transmission started jerking and delayed engagement when I changed gears.
I got the fan fixed but the transmission problem remained.

Now the question, do I have to replace this transmission again? Or a simple oil change to the aproprate one will do the magic.

I'll appreciate responses pls. Thanks

Cc @ car doctor
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by mophic123: 1:27pm On Oct 22, 2015
Gear doc,afternoon, my car transmission Nissan quest 02 model is not sharp at reverse.d front is selecting and moving well intact av traveled twice towards Ilesha and Ibadan in that condition and no problem. It has been like that since may 2015 and still working except the reverse. Mechanic av changed d reverse leather,latter change all the leather, valve body and only work for a week before starting bn sluggish again. Now the reverse only work on smooth express starting slugllishlly and then move but with high acceleration. is it wiring or gear replacement? 08023531571
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by femicousim: 2:32pm On Oct 22, 2015
andresia:
I recently had a crash with my car (a baby boy 98 4plug) and one of the switch on the gearbox got broken.

Pls how can it be replaced as the switch seems to be glued together with the gearbox

Gazzuz, lomomike, cardoctor, luvinhubby, et al, pls assist

the solenoid(what you referred to as switch) is not glued to the gearbox sir, it fastened to the box by a 10mm bolt, or did you mean it was stiff even after loosening the bolt?
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by seenter84: 4:54pm On Oct 22, 2015
Please which atf oil is best for acura mdx 2002 model. I use to use abro atf, was advised to change it. Now I use mobil atf. Please which is the best for me. The gear is giving me issues. Slow to engage, and while driving when I accelerate iit barely moves fast. Thank u


Please car doctor I hope to hear from you soonest.
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by Faru: 7:48pm On Nov 04, 2015
I commend all the experts who have made out time from their impossible schedules to answer repetitive queries. One of my regrets in life was my failure to learn mechanic work when I was much younger; I console all Nigerian car owners for the nightmare we have to endure from these bunch of quacks who call themselves mechanics.
I drive a V6 2001 Camry xle and recently I noticed the car is not as responsive as it used to and getting too slow for a v6 engined car. I complained to my mechanic in Ibadan and he changed my ATF without seeking my authorisation (meanwhile I had change d gearbox ATF wt d Toyota brand a week before).
The car has become even slower and now there's delay in the shifting of gear.
Please what do I do?
Secondly, I would want to know the implications to the car of converting the car to manual?
Thank you as I await a very urgent response from the house.
God bless you all.
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by umunnatim(m): 2:01am On Nov 05, 2015
MY CAR (RAV4 2002) THE GEAR WOULD NOT CHANGE WHEN I AM DRIVING 100, I NOTICED THE OIL WAS SHORT, I HAVE GAUGED IT BUT IT WON'T STILL CHANGE, WHAT DO I DO ?
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by lele007: 9:58am On Nov 05, 2015
femicousim:


well, you might want to scan that vehicle, from your description of the symptoms it might well be an automatic transmission valve control assembly, so you might want to check which solenoid is acting up, so if you replace the fluid and it is still acting up please be sure to pay the vave body some attention

Good man, it appears you were right. How do I pay this valve control body some attention, specifically, is there a mechanic familiar with these Mazda systems that you can recommend?

Here is a description of the faults this morning.

I warm the car up for about 4 mins at 5 a.m. when I shift into drive, the gear selector digital display shows 1, then 2, then 4 (!) even before the car moves. The AT (warning light) comes on. I shift to reverse, and the autobox thuds and shakes the car (! yikes !). I shift to park the warning light stays on. I shut off the engine and restart. Everything normal, shifts, movement, everything. I park the car and join my neighbour to work.

Please help with directions on how to solve this problem if u know how. Any wise autobox technicians in Lagos? Thanks in advance
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by DonBobes(m): 7:13am On Nov 07, 2015
walexpal:
I just had my gearbox change, i noticed the ATF fluid used by the Mechanic is Seahorse ATF fluid, Dextron III. Please is this Oil appropriate. The car is still working fine. Can I change the oil to ATF-Z1 after a while? The model is Honda Accord 1998/1999 model. Thank you.

dt searhorse is also ok, so long it is DEXTRON III grade. Wen DW1 is hard to com by, i jst drain my gear oil and use a gud DEXTRON III product.
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by Kashif(m): 9:39pm On Nov 16, 2015
Faru:
I commend all the experts who have made out time from their impossible schedules to answer repetitive queries. One of my regrets in life was my failure to learn mechanic work when I was much younger; I console all Nigerian car owners for the nightmare we have to endure from these bunch of quacks who call themselves mechanics.
I drive a V6 2001 Camry xle and recently I noticed the car is not as responsive as it used to and getting too slow for a v6 engined car. I complained to my mechanic in Ibadan and he changed my ATF without seeking my authorisation (meanwhile I had change d gearbox ATF wt d Toyota brand a week before).
The car has become even slower and now there's delay in the shifting of gear.
Please what do I do?
Secondly, I would want to know the implications to the car of converting the car to manual?
Thank you as I await a very urgent response from the house.
God bless you all.

Perform a stall test. If you don't know how to, I will explain.
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by Kashif(m): 9:40pm On Nov 16, 2015
lele007:


Good man, it appears you were right. How do I pay this valve control body some attention, specifically, is there a mechanic familiar with these Mazda systems that you can recommend?

Here is a description of the faults this morning.

I warm the car up for about 4 mins at 5 a.m. when I shift into drive, the gear selector digital display shows 1, then 2, then 4 (!) even before the car moves. The AT (warning light) comes on. I shift to reverse, and the autobox thuds and shakes the car (! yikes !). I shift to park the warning light stays on. I shut off the engine and restart. Everything normal, shifts, movement, everything. I park the car and join my neighbour to work.

Please help with directions on how to solve this problem if u know how. Any wise autobox technicians in Lagos? Thanks in advance

This is resolved?
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by timtom: 7:03am On Nov 17, 2015
Car Doc,

Please I need your assistance. I use Honda Pilot 2004. My D (drive) light was blinking about 2 weeks ago and I was advised to change the transmission oil which I did with Oando ATF but the check engine light came up a day (which I ignored). Yesterday night, the D light started blinking again and I decided not to drive it today.

Please what do you advise I do this time around, is that the need to replace the ATF again?

Thanks
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by Digriz(m): 12:57pm On Nov 17, 2015
Please experts in the house,what is solenoid valve fault and can it be corrected?
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by MrBuzy: 12:43am On Nov 18, 2015
Please can somebody advise me; Honda Odyssey 2002 Model. I changed the ATF with Honda DW I which I bought in Enugu and I was on speed after two weeks and the gear missed and later picked up and continued. Some minutes later it stop picking gear. I used D3 and D1 to get to my destination. Although it stopped a lot of times. I got home and I packed it in the morning, I started the car moved it and it moved but later refuse to enter gear. So what I noticed is that once you start the car the gear will work, but immediately the gear heats up, the gear will not work again. I was adviced to change the ATF again with Dextron III (because we suspected that the Honda DW I was a fake ATF) which I did and still the same problem. please what is the problem and what do I do. I need urgent advice.
Re: Automatic Gearbox Problems by lele007: 5:34pm On Nov 18, 2015
Kashif:


This is resolved?

I scanned the engine computer and got a code for "input turbine speed sensor". Online research tells me this is a sensor just below the battery compartment. At least one other user online had the same issue with this same car model, solved it by changing the sensor. Will see my mechanic over the weekend on this, and bring y'all updates. Cheers.

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