Surah 6:101: “To Him is due the
primal origin of the heavens and the
earth: How can He have a son when
He hath no consort?” (Yusuf Ali)

Yet, the Qur’an itself records that Mary
had a son without a consort.

Surah 19:20-21: She said: How can I
have a son when no mortal hath
touched me, neither have I been
unchaste! He said: So (it will be). Thy
Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it
will be) that We may make of him a
revelation for mankind and a mercy
from Us, and it is a thing ordained.
(Pickthall)

If Mary could produce a son without a
husband, why would it be impossible
for the Almighty Creator to produce a
son without a wife?
Why do you believe that the Almighty
God is incapable of doing something
that he himself empowered Mary to
do?
If Mary can beget a son without the
sexual involvement of a husband, why
cannot the Almighty God produce a son
without the sexual association of a wife
If Almighty God was able to create the
vast universe and every living being in
it out of nothing, why is he unable to
produce a son for himself without a
wife?
When you say that God cannot have a
son without a consort, is this not
limiting God’s almightiness?

And the Qur’an acknowledges:

Surah 39:4: “If Allah had willed to
choose a son, He could have chosen
what He would of that which He hath
created.”

Well, does not this Qur’anic verse prove
that God can and could have a son?
That he could have a son anytime he
wants? And that He could simply create a son for himself?Is this not exactly what the Holy Bible teaches? ( Colossians 1:15)

To even concieve this idea, how much more think of debating it in public, not to talk of refering to The Almighty in ur post as "he" instead of He, is highly sacrilegious.

you should busy yourself with travelling or at least looking around to appreciate the Mercy and Might of our God Almighty.

please desist from such topics.

galadima77:
To even concieve this idea, how much more think of debating it in public, not to talk of refering to The Almighty in ur post as "he" instead of He, is highly sacrilegious.

you should busy yourself with travelling or at least looking around to appreciate the Mercy and Might of our God Almighty.

please desist from such topics.

am a Christian and I don't believe christians and muslim worship the same God. So what your answer concerning the op.

Topic like this are not worthy of your post... brothers and sisters in islam, ignore him

AgentXxx:
Topic like this are not worthy of your post... brothers and sisters in islam, ignore him

wrong advice, you mean they should not ask question, just believe ?

AgentXxx:
Topic like this are not worthy of your post... brothers and sisters in islam, ignore him

is because the op has brought out overwhelming proof from the koran which your best scholars can't even stand for. The answer is that you are confused like allah itself. If you want to refute the claim kindly do it for the sake of trouble minded muslims because of this revelation.

malvisguy212:
wrong advice, you mean they should not ask question, just believe ?

yes, there is nothing impossible for God to do! He created jesus by just saying BE! and jesus WAS! but associating jesus to be his son is highly blasphemous, using your parochial reasoning, then all angels are also sons of God coz angels had no fathers nor mothers(astagfirullahi)! quran18:4-5 "and warn those that say that Allah has begotten a son, they have no knowledge of such thing nor did their fathers, mighty is the words that comes out from their mouths(saying Allah begets a son), they say nothing but lies"

jcross19:
is because the op has brought out overwhelming proof from the koran which your best scholars can't even stand for. The answer is that you are confused like allah itself. If you want to refute the claim kindly do it for the sake of trouble minded muslims because of this revelation.

@bolded. whats the "overwhelming proof"?

lexiconkabir:
yes, there is nothing impossible for God to do! He created jesus by just saying BE! and jesus WAS! but associating jesus to be his son is highly blasphemous, using your parochial reasoning, then all angels are also sons of God coz angels had no fathers nor mothers(astagfirullahi)! quran18:4-5 "and warn those that say that Allah has begotten a son, they have no knowledge of such thing nor did their fathers, mighty is the words that comes out from their mouths(saying Allah begets a son), they say nothing but lies"

let me ask this same question I've been asking.

Both the Qur’an and the Bible tell us very clearly that Jesus had no human father. We must therefore ask ourselves this vital question, “Since Jesus is addressed as a ‘SON’ by the angel Gabriel both in the Qur’an (Surah 19:19) and in the Bible (Luke 1:35)," WHOSE SON IS HE?” Is it Mary’s? In Surah 19:19, the angel Gabriel said to Mary: “I am only a messenger of thy Lord, to announce to thee the GIFT OF A HOLY SON.” Here,Gabriel refers to a son who was to be given as a “GIFT” by God to Mary. Since the Qur’an makes it very clear that the son is a gift from God, it shows that Mary was only the RECIPIENT of that gift. She is
NOT THE SOURCE of that gift but God. The
gift belongs to God. The gift was a son.
Therefore, the son belongs to God
which means the son was His or His
son. In other words, God’s son. This
testifies to the Gospel truth that Jesus is
the Son of God.

The word “son” means “a human male
considered with reference to both his
parents or either one of them; a male
descendant.” Every male child or person
has to be the son of a father who
produced or generated his life. Adam
had no human father, but still he had to
be the son of someone. Of whom then
was he a son of? Adam must have been
the son of God because God was the
originator of his life. God was his father.
The Bible, which contains the most
ancient history of the human race,
testifies correctly to this truth when it
gives the genealogy of the human race:

malvisguy212:
let me ask this same question I've been asking.

Both the Qur’an and the Bible tell us very clearly that Jesus had no human father. We must therefore ask ourselves this vital question, “Since Jesus is addressed as a ‘SON’ by the angel Gabriel both in the Qur’an (Surah 19:19) and in the Bible (Luke 1:35)," WHOSE SON IS HE?” Is it Mary’s? In Surah 19:19, the angel Gabriel said to Mary: “I am only a messenger of thy Lord, to announce to thee the GIFT OF A HOLY SON.” Here,Gabriel refers to a son who was to be given as a “GIFT” by God to Mary. Since

i've told you before, desist from copying and pasting, if you cannot, analyze what you are copying before pasting. that verse clearly says mary will beget a pure boy(ibn or walada means son, walada/ibn wasnt used in that verse, so stop being deceitful), God never called jesus His son in the quran! thereby i refer you to quran18:4-5(the one i quoted in my previous post), its a warning from Almighty God!

lexiconkabir:
i've told you before, desist from copying and pasting, if you cannot, analyze what you are copying before pasting. that verse clearly says mary will beget a pure boy(ibn or walada means son, walada/ibn wasnt used in that verse, so stop being deceitful), God never called jesus His son in the quran! thereby i refer you to quran18:4-5(the one i quoted in my previous post), its a warning from Almighty God!

what are you saying here ? Is Jesus not a "male" son ? The angel say the son Mary will conceived will be a gift, according to the quran. Every male son had to be the father of someone, who is the father of Jesus ? The quran adress Him by His mother name, in what culture is a man adress by his mother name ? If you don't know how to comprehends is not by force you must comment.

malvisguy212:
what are you saying here ? Is Jesus not a "male" son? The angel say the son Mary will conceived will be a gift, according to the quran. Every male son had to be the father of someone, who is the father of Jesus ? The quran adress Him by His mother name, in what culture is a man adress by his mother name ? If you don't know how to comprehends is not by force you must comment.

@bolded, what are you saying?, confused person!! well i'm saying that angel gabriel never used son(the main aim of this thread) as you falsely claim and Almighty God never called jesus His son, again i refer you to quran18:4-5(warning from Almighty God), like i said earlier try not to be copying and pasting, so you wont embarass yourself as you just did.

lexiconkabir:
@bolded, what are you saying?, confused person!! well i'm saying that angel gabriel never used son(the main aim of this thread) as you falsely claim and Almighty God never called jesus His son, again i refer you to quran18:4-5(warning from Almighty God), like i said earlier try not to be copying and pasting, so you wont embarass yourself as you just did.

trash.
Surah 19:17-21: She placed a screen
(to screen herself) from them; then
We sent her our angel, and he
appeared before her as a man in all
respects. She said: “I seek refuge from
thee to (God) Most Gracious: (come
not near) if thou dost fear God.” He
said: “Nay, I am only an apostle
from thy Lord, (to announce) to
thee THE GIFT OF A HOLY SON. She said:
“How shall I have a SON, seeing that
no man has touched me, and I am
not unchaste?” He said: “So (it will
be): Thy Lord saith, ‘that is easy for
Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as
a Sign unto men and a Mercy from
Us’: It is a matter (so) decreed.” (Yusuf
Ali)

Here the angel refers the gift to Mary as a 'son' unless you know Arabic more than yusuf Ali, you are confused.

malvisguy212:
trash.
Surah 19:17-21: She placed a screen
(to screen herself) from them; then
We sent her our angel, and he
appeared before her as a man in all
respects. She said: “I seek refuge from
thee to (God) Most Gracious: (come
not near) if thou dost fear God.” He
said: “Nay, I am only an apostle
from thy Lord, (to announce) to
thee THE GIFT OF A HOLY SON. She said:
“How shall I have a SON, seeing that
no man has touched me, and I am
not unchaste?” He said: “So (it will
be): Thy Lord saith, ‘that is easy for
Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as
a Sign unto men and a Mercy from
Us’: It is a matter (so) decreed.” (Yusuf
Ali)

Here the angel refers the gift to Mary as a 'son' unless you know Arabic more than yusuf Ali, you are confused.

like i said earlier walada/ibn wasnt used in that verse, you've brought this silly talk again "yusuf ali" i'm not a follower of yusuf ali or any other translator! leave them and lets see it ourselves, son wasnt used!!

lexiconkabir:
@bolded. whats the "overwhelming proof"?

refute the op basic.

jcross19:
refute the op basic.

i have!

lexiconkabir:
i have!

the koran or hadith is it true? Or not.

jcross19:
the koran or hadith is it true? Or not.

read my refutal its just below your first post(i think) up

lexiconkabir:
like i said earlier walada/ibn wasnt used in that verse, you've brought this silly talk again "yusuf ali" i'm not a follower of yusuf ali or any other translator! leave them and lets see it ourselves, son wasnt used!!

according to your respond to malvisguy , shows that you Don't even know what to say.

jcross19:
according to your respond to malvisguy , shows that you Don't even know what to say.

actually read the post after your first post.

malvisguy212:
am a Christian and I don't believe christians and muslim worship the same God. So what your answer concerning the op.

Yes we don't, we worship the God of Jesus and you worship Jesus which makes you an idolater for worshipping a man.

malvisguy212:
trash.
Surah 19:17-21: She placed a screen
(to screen herself) from them; then
We sent her our angel, and he
appeared before her as a man in all
respects. She said: “I seek refuge from
thee to (God) Most Gracious: (come
not near) if thou dost fear God.” He
said: “Nay, I am only an apostle
from thy Lord, (to announce) to
thee THE GIFT OF A HOLY SON. She said:
“How shall I have a SON, seeing that
no man has touched me, and I am
not unchaste?” He said: “So (it will
be): Thy Lord saith, ‘that is easy for
Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as
a Sign unto men and a Mercy from
Us’: It is a matter (so) decreed.” (Yusuf
Ali)

Here the angel refers the gift to Mary as a 'son' unless you know Arabic more than yusuf Ali, you are confused.

Jesus wasn't referred to anybody's son but Mary in the Quran... he id the son of mary

Op...I congratulate ur inquisitiveness,well I can't say if ure asking to knw or asking to disqualify buh I will assume d earlier nd God willing we will learn for each oda
1st your topic is revolved around the fact"if mary can give birth without being laid why can't God do dsame
Here I will also put it to u dat if marry could die why can't God dsame,nd also I will like to let you knw dat everyhuman being needs a child to avoid extinction,as everyhuman will one day die so he ensures dat he leave behind sum1 dat will inherit him..can dis case b applied to God? Will God go extinct? If no why den will he need a child....nd finally if u say God needs a child u nullify d fact that He is FREE OF NEED...nd if u nullify Dat very important fact ure saying HE is vulnurable and imperfect

dekatrons:
Op...I congratulate ur inquisitiveness,well I can't say if ure asking to knw or asking to disqualify buh I will assume d earlier nd God willing we will learn for each oda
1st your topic is revolved around the fact"if mary can give birth without being laid why can't God do dsame
Here I will also put it to u dat if marry could die why can't God dsame,nd also I will like to let you knw dat everyhuman being needs a child to avoid extinction,as everyhuman will one day die so he ensures dat he leave behind sum1 dat will inherit him..can dis case b applied to God? Will God go extinct? If no why den will he need a child....nd finally if u say God needs a child u nullify d fact that He is FREE OF NEED...nd if u nullify Dat very important fact ure saying HE is vulnurable and imperfect

what your definition of death ? Death does not mean none existence, the bible say God is a spirit , spirit don't have flesh that they will die, however,
if God choses to be in none existence, He will , so I don't see the point you are trying to make here.

malvisguy212:
what your definition of death ? Death does not mean none existence, the bible say God is a spirit , spirit don't have flesh that they will die, however,
if God choses to be in none existence, He will , so I don't see the point you are trying to make here.

Funny!!..is it dat ur bible didn't tell u dat God is eternal nd u haven't reasoned for urself dat wat will make God chose to die or wat will make him chose to fart for instance or want to take a bath
Sorry to say ur questions are too illogical nd goes below intellectual standard
Yes death isn't nonexistence..but a state of unconsciousness..imagine.wat happens wen God d ruler of d universe decides to die
Neva said death is non-existence doh

dekatrons:

Funny!!..is it dat ur bible didn't tell u dat God is eternal nd u haven't reasoned for urself dat wat will make God chose to die or wat will make him chose to fart for instance or want to take a bath
Sorry to say ur questions are too illogical nd goes below intellectual standard
Yes death isn't nonexistence..but a state of unconsciousness..imagine.wat happens wen God d ruler of d universe decides to die
Neva said death is non-existence doh

listen!
There are Guideline which God will not step over because of WHO HE SAY HE IS, I mean, God cannot be God and be God at the same time ,God cannot create another God to be equal with Him.God will not stop being existing because The nature of God is infinite-meaning no end, He is from everlasting to everlasting. God's unchanging moral
character is a moral absolute, he changes not.

Death does not mean you stop existing ,your spirit is eternal and cannot die.

But to say God cannot have a son without a consort and LETER one of His creature have a son without a consort , is wrong

malvisguy212:
listen!
There are Guideline which God will not step over because of WHO HE SAY HE IS, I mean, God cannot be God and be God at the same time ,God cannot create another God to be equal with Him.God will not stop being existing because The nature of God is infinite-meaning no end, He is from everlasting to everlasting. God's unchanging moral
character is a moral absolute, he changes not.

Death does not mean you stop existing ,your spirit is eternal and cannot die.

But to say God cannot have a son without a consort and LETER one of His creature have a son without a consort , is wrong

In d quoted u made mention of d fact dat Gods nature is infinite,His moral unchanging and also of Him being eternal,,is dere any human with such qualities? NO! So it is glaring dat d laws wich govern d human specie isn't dsame as dat of God..mary giving birth without a consort is a miracle permitted by God to proof his might nd power to d humans, of course he also created adam nd eve without a parent
And we knw dat when a human gives birth he gives birth to anoda human,if dis laws wich operates in d terrestial realm do dsame in d celestial den if God gives birth he will give birth to anoda God.nd u said in d above dat God cannot give birth to anoda God like Him...if dis is true has God given birth to a human? Or a God less dan him? If he has given birth to a human,what sense does it make nd if he has given birth to a God less dan him are u saying dere exists two Gods?
Please clarify me and happy sunday

malvisguy212:
what are you saying here ? Is Jesus not a "male" son ? The angel say the son Mary will conceived will be a gift, according to the quran. Every male son had to be the father of someone, who is the father of Jesus ? The quran adress Him by His mother name, in what culture is a man adress by his mother name ? If you don't know how to comprehends is not by force you must comment.

you read in your bible about prophet adam, who was his parent? He has no parent. He was created by Allah without parent,

malvisguy212:
Surah 6:101: “To Him is due the
primal origin of the heavens and the
earth: How can He have a son when
He hath no consort?” (Yusuf Ali)

Yet, the Qur’an itself records that Mary
had a son without a consort.

Surah 19:20-21: She said: How can I
have a son when no mortal hath
touched me, neither have I been
unchaste! He said: So (it will be). Thy
Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it
will be) that We may make of him a
revelation for mankind and a mercy
from Us, and it is a thing ordained.
(Pickthall)

If Mary could produce a son without a
husband, why would it be impossible
for the Almighty Creator to produce a
son without a wife?
Why do you believe that the Almighty
God is incapable of doing something
that he himself empowered Mary to
do?
If Mary can beget a son without the
sexual involvement of a husband, why
cannot the Almighty God produce a son
without the sexual association of a wife
If Almighty God was able to create the
vast universe and every living being in
it out of nothing, why is he unable to
produce a son for himself without a
wife?
When you say that God cannot have a
son without a consort, is this not
limiting God’s almightiness?

And the Qur’an acknowledges:

Surah 39:4: “If Allah had willed to
choose a son, He could have chosen
what He would of that which He hath
created.”

Well, does not this Qur’anic verse prove
that God can and could have a son?
That he could have a son anytime he
wants? And that He could simply create a son for himself?Is this not exactly what the Holy Bible teaches? ( Colossians 1:15)

This is a confusing post from a confused poster of a confused religion. . small time now, they will tell you jesus is God, then how does all these above prove that you are your own father?

smartesboys:

you read in your bible about prophet adam, who was his parent? He has no parent. He was created by Allah without parent,

Adam was created without the agency of a human father or mother because, as the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly parents. Being created without parents is necessary as the first man.

But Jesus was born of the virgin birth, when God procreation exist.here we see God interrupt His very own law of nature and override His own law of procreation which Himself established, for christ to have the virgin birth.

why will God interrupt the process of just for Jesus to have the virgin birth ?

golpen:


This is a confusing post from a confused poster of a confused religion. . small time now, they will tell you jesus is God, then how does all these above prove that you are your own father?

the quran say "how can He have a son without a consort " yet it record Mary having a son without a consort .

If Almighty God was able to create the
vast universe and every living being in
it out of nothing, why is he unable to
produce a son for himself without a
wife?

malvisguy212:
the quran say "how can He have a son without a consort " yet it record Mary having a son without a consort .

If Almighty God was able to create the
vast universe and every living being in
it out of nothing, why is he unable to
produce a son for himself without a
wife?

thqt is where the problem of Christians lie. the concept of God in your religion is human, that is why you believe God's image is in human form, you believe He regrets, you believe He has a son.

what Allah means in the ayah you quoted is that having a consort is a characteristics of HIS creations, HE is far from doing that. Mary's case is just one of Allah's various miracles. HE created adam from no male and no female, He created eve from no mother and created jesus from no father and then, me and you from fathers and mothers....you see?

seek the truth with logic and reasoning my brother!