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| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by Nobody: 4:39pm On Aug 15, 2015 |
[s] IFALENU:[/s] Complete rubbish. Mixing Ifa symbolism to create historical occurrences. Try again. |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by Nobody: 4:43pm On Aug 15, 2015 |
PhysicsQED:The emboldened is a fact. Oramfe did play the role of mediator between Oduduwa and Obatala. He was the ruler of his domain which stretches from Ife General Hospital through Opa road. His descendants occupy these places and their surname starts with 'Ora'. It could be Orafidodo, Orawande etc He is the god of thunder, predating Sango. God bless you for sharing facts as opposed to the mess everyone is making of Ife/Oduduwa era history. |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by Nobody: 4:46pm On Aug 15, 2015 |
DuduNegro:Actually, Obatala had direct part in Ugbo kingdom in Ondo. Except you meant Ondo kingdom itself? |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by tpiander: 4:32am On Aug 16, 2015 |
Yoruba nlers liaise with Igbos a lot. |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by Nobody: 6:12pm On Aug 27, 2015 |
ok |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by macof(m): 4:16pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
9jacrip:Ilaje actually make reference to Aramufe as Deity of Thunder they also call him "Ajalorun"...is this a name Oramfe is known by in Ife? |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by Nobody: 8:26am On Aug 30, 2015 |
macof:This is new, I didn't know he is also known as Ajalorun or Aramufe. |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by rexzqcom(m): 1:52am On Aug 31, 2015 |
Ndipe:This is the truth. Ododuwa was the heir apparent to the "sky king" (Ogiso) dynasty of Benin kingdom. Ogie mean leader. Iso mean sky. Literally, mean leader from the sky. Figuratively, mean heavenly designated or heavenly destined leader. In Edo, before the advent of Obaship as king, Ogiso was the title of the kings. |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by tpiander: 4:00am On Aug 31, 2015 |
in a hypothetical likelihood of migration patterns, west to east would seem to predate east to west. east to west most times occurs in response to west to east. of course I could be wrong. |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by macof(m): 3:40pm On Aug 31, 2015 |
9jacrip:Dialectic variations surely. .. but "Ajalorun" seems like a fitting oriki for Oramfe |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by Nobody: 7:51pm On Feb 15, 2016 |
NegroNtns:nice post but few corrections. . . Oromo is name of the ethnic group and oromiifaa is their language i dont think they are called oromiiffa, that's just their language |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by Nobody: 1:34am On Mar 12, 2016 |
Dnt be misled,the people that they call arabs then were blacks,the yarabawa/arab also knonw as yoruba,the present ones are invaders/overcomers,Ishmeal and his projenitors were all blacks down to prophet muhammad. No2Atheism: |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by Angelou(m): 7:59am On Mar 13, 2016 |
nguage:it is quite obvious that people had existed and lived in yorubaland prior to the arrival of odua. he is referred as the ancestor of the yorubs kings and not the entire yoruba race... it seems that his ability to unify the entire yoruba stock into a single cohesive fold was wat made him distinguished |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by badnature: 8:08am On Mar 13, 2016 |
ah! Yoruba people said that he failed from the sky,is anyone doubting that? |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by Nobody: 8:29am On May 16, 2017 |
NegroNtns:Axumities weren't Oromo. Axumities were Agaw/Semite/Beja/Afar and few others. The Oromos homeland during Axum were in southern Ethiopia and northern Kenya. NegroNtns:Axumities weren't Jews. They were Cushitic/Yemenite. |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by SUNNYsparkle: 9:20pm On May 16, 2017 |
NegroNtns:Hahahahaha... How long did the journey take him? Na leg or plane he use come? Na you be the pilot? So he came all the way from Axum passed many kingdoms and empires just for the purpose of dislodging the Igbo people/Obatala group he met and just to set up an Ife kingdom. Please common sense points to Benin city which existed before he came to present Ife. He came from Benin. It is as simple as that |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by qeemus: 11:18am On Jul 03, 2017 |
nice and informative thread. |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by Revolva(m): 11:59pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
the SKY |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by macof(m): 11:16am On Jul 07, 2017 |
SUNNYsparkle:LOL. So he came all the way from bini just to dislodge the Ugbo. How long did it take him to reach ife, train or leg? Your sense is nothing common. Oduduwa has nothing to do with Bini. And Bini elders know this, but inferiority complex has finished them totally Oduduwa came from oke-ora |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by Cuddlebugie(f): 6:13pm On Jul 07, 2017 |
Back in high school, my Yoruba teacher claimed that the immortal oduduwa descended from the sky with a big chain.... Some Yoruba scholars/historians also claimed that he fell from the sky. Now, i see a different story. |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by ToyinDipo(m): 12:13am On Sep 04, 2017 |
Stumbles on this thread I read from somewhere that O-dudu-wa means "he came out black", because his other siblings were fair skinned, like people from the east. |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by shadeyinka(m): 10:40am On Sep 04, 2017 |
The several hundred dialects of Yoruba actually prove that they had been on ground well before an external unifying force came to preside over several communities. Now, historically, not all Yoruba communities have any link with Oduduwa; an example is the Yagba (kabba) in Kogi state. It may be important to also trace the link between the Igalas and the Yoruba's as they share some of their ancient names. Example: Igala (Akogwu) AND Yoruba (Akogun) Both meaning the same thing: warrior |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by princevinny: 8:28pm On Nov 26, 2017 |
So much crap about dis topic. Now dis is it, Oduduwa was d first son of an ogiso in edo. D ogiso had a wife who was barren as at then and she also hated oduduwa. So 1day she lied to d ogiso dat oduduwa cursed her with barreness, d ogiso was very angry n he sentenced him 2 die in d evil forest, but d guards sent to kill him loved him because he was good 2 dem n dey also believed d queen lied against him, so dey told him 2 escape. He escape frm d forest n got 2 ondo wier he was stop by ondo river. Oduduwa crossed d river by air because of his powers and got 2 ife which was under siege. Will continue later |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by id2019(m): 9:45am On Nov 28, 2017 |
The rulers or kings were commonly known as Ogiso. Igodo, the first Ogiso, wielded much influence and gained popularity as a good ruler. He died after a long reign and was succeeded by Ere, his eldest son. In the 12th century, a great palace intrigue and battle for power erupted between the warrior crown prince Ekaladerhan son of the last Ogiso and his young paternal uncle. In anger over an oracle, Prince Ekaladerhan left the royal court with his warriors. When his old father the Ogiso died, the Ogiso dynasty was ended as the people and royal kingmakers preferred their king's son as natural next in line to rule. The exiled Prince Ekaladerhan later became Izoduwa or Oduduwa the first Oni in uhe (ile ife). Oranmiyan, grand son of Oduduwa took up his abode in the palace built for him at Usama by the elders (now a coronation shrine). Soon after his arrival he married a beautiful lady, Erinmwinde, daughter of Osa-nego, was the ninth Enogie (Duke) of Ego, by whom he had a son. After some years residence here he called a meeting of the people and renounced his office, remarking that the country was a land of vexation, Ile-Ibinu (by which name the country was afterward known) and that only a child born, trained and educated in the arts and mysteries of the land could reign over the people. He caused his son born to him by Erinmwinde to be made King in his place, and returned to Yoruba land Ile-Ife. After some years in Ife, he left for Oyo, where he also left a son behind on leaving the place, and his son Ajaka ultimately became the first Alafin of Oyo of the present line, while Oranmiyan himself was reigning as Oni of Ife. Therefore, Oranmiyan of Ife, the father of Eweka I, the Oba of Benin, was also the father of Ajaka, the first Alafin of Oyo. Oni of Ife and Alafe of Oyo. By the 15th century, Edo as a system of protected settlements expanded into a thriving city-state. In the 15th century, the twelfth Oba in line, Oba Ewuare the Great (1440–1473) would expand the city-state to an empire. It was not until the 15th century during the reign of Oba Ewuare the Great that the kingdom's administrative centre, the city Ubinu, began to be known as Benin City by the Portuguese, and would later be adopted by the locals as well. Before then, due to the pronounced ethnic diversity at the kingdom's headquarters during the 15th century from the successes of Oba Ewuare, the earlier name ('Ubinu') by a tribe of the Edos was colloquially spoken as "Bini" by the mix of Itsekhiri, Esan, Ika, Ijaw Edo, Urhobo living together in the royal administrative centre of the kingdom. The Portuguese would write this down as Benin City. Though, farther Edo clans, such as the Itsekiris and the Urhobos still referred to the city as Ubini up till the late 19th century, as evidence implies. Aside from Benin City, the system of rule of the Oba in his kingdom, even through the golden age of the kingdom, was still loosely based after the Ogiso dynasty, which was military and royal protection in exchange of use of resources and implementation of taxes paid to the royal administrative centre. Language and culture was not enforced but remained heterogeneous and localized according to each group within the kingdom, though a local "Enogie" (duke) was often appointed by the Oba for specified ethnic areas. Oral tradition Bronze plaque of Benin Warriors with ceremonial swords. 16th–18th centuries, Nigeria. The first name of the Benin Empire, since its creation some time in the first millennium CE, was Igodomigodo, as called by its own inhabitants. Their ruler was called Ogiso.[3] Nowadays, nearly 36 known Ogiso are accounted for as rulers of this first form of the state. According to the Edo oral tradition, during the reign of the last Ogiso, his son and heir apparent, Ekaladerhan, was banished from Igodomigodo as a result of one of the Queens having deliberately changed an oracle message to the Ogiso. Prince Ekaladerhan was a powerful warrior and well loved. On leaving Benin he travelled west to the land of the Yoruba where he reportedly became a king. Most Yoruba cultures and festival ethnics are now practiced by Edo such as Ishango, Ogun, Festac of Idia Mother of Oba Esigie of Benin. Also most foods of the Yoruba are now consumed by the Edo, such as Iyan, Eman, Usi, Ighiawo and Ogi On the death of the last Ogiso, a group of Benin Chiefs led by Chief Oliha came to Ife, pleading with Oduduwa (The Ooni) to come reign as King in Igodomigodo (later known as Benin City in the 15th century during Oba Ewuare) to ascend the throne. Oduduwa's reply was that a ruler cannot leave his domain but he had seven sons and would ask one of them to go back to become the next king there. An Edo figure from the reign of the oba Esigie (c. 1504-1550) Brooklyn Museum. Eweka I was the first 'Oba' or king of the new dynasty after the end of the era of Ogiso. He changed the ancient name of Igodomigodo to Edo. Centuries later, in 1440, Oba Ewuare, also known as Ewuare the Great, came to power and turned the city-state into an empire. It was only at this time that the administrative centre of the kingdom began to be referred to as Ubinu after the Itsekhiri word and corrupted to Bini by the Itsekhiri, Edo, Urhobo living together in the royal administrative centre of the kingdom. The Portuguese who arrived on expedition led by Joao Afonso de Aveiro in 1485 would refer to it as Benin and the centre would become known as Benin City and its empire Benin Empire. The Ancient Benin Empire, as with the Oyo Empire which eventually gained political ascendancy over even Ile-Ife, gained political strength and ascendancy over much of what is now Mid-Western and Western Nigeria, with the Oyo Empire bordering it on the west, the Niger river on the east, and the northerly lands succumbing to Fulani Muslim invasion in the North. Interestingly, much of what is now known as Western Iboland and even Yorubaland was conquered by the Benin Kingdom in the late 19th century – Agbor (Ika), Akure, Owo and even the present day Lagos Island, which was named "Eko" meaning "War Camp" by the Bini. Nowadays, scientists discovered out that the Edo people did not have a writing system, but their art work, had let the scientists discover their true history. Including the armor, magnificent drawing skills. Golden Age Benin city in the 17th century. The Oba had become the mount of power within the region. Oba Ewuare, the first Golden Age Oba, is credited with turning Benin City into City States from a military fortress built by Ogiso, protected by moats and walls. It was from this bastion that he launched his military campaigns and began the expansion of the kingdom from the Edo-speaking heartlands. Oba Ewuare was a direct descendant of Eweka I great grandson of Oduduwa, Oni of Ife. |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by macof(m): 10:52pm On Dec 02, 2017 |
princevinny:oga please don't continue ![]() @bold tho first, there is no Ondo river, and Ondo didn't exist during the time of Oduduwa, Ondo was founded 300 years later Ife was not under Siege. Please go inform yourself on Ife history - Oduduwa is from Oke-ora Not only does oral tradition recognize Oke-ora as the earliest point of Oduduwa, Ooni collects the makeshift Ade oduduwa(the real one is in Idanre) at Ido signifying Oduduwa was the leader here before becoming Ooni. Ooni also receives the Aare crown at Oke-ora and Oduduwa shrine and resting place at Ido(populated by people from Oke-ora) These connections are obvious proof that Oduduwa came from Oke-ora |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by Olu317(m): 6:17am On Dec 09, 2017 |
princevinny:You people are just too good in fabricating different stories. Now,Odua became hated because of Ogiso's wife who was barren? Come up with something different truthful. ![]() princevinny:You people are just too good in fabricating different stories. Now,Odua became hated because of Ogiso's wife who was barren? Come up with something different that is truthful. Else stop this assumptions. |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by davidnazee: 2:27am On May 30, 2018 |
tpia:1. Please Black Africans should stop claiming to come from Egypt.. you are reducing your self worth. 2. There is nothing like Bini, it’s a description used by Yorubas.. it is Edo. 3. Edo conquered and ruled Eastern Yorubas and the rule ended when the British defeated Benin kingdom. 4. Benin kingdom founded Lagos. The Aworis were only at the outskirts of Lagos. |
| Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by davidnazee: 2:47am On May 30, 2018 |
No2Atheism:If you open your mind you will realize that the only difference between this modern era and the past is technology. Now we have a better way of doing things. People and migration and communications never changed. If you believe people can migrate from Sudan or Egypt then Ife is very close to Edo and word would have reached Edo people that a king of Ife speaks the Edo language and claimed to have come from Edo. I guess the Edo people would send emissaries to find out who this king is. |
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