₦airaland Forum

kokosheen:
thanks.. made my work easier

we currently don't produce CNGs though..

We do. There are about 5 companies that do so already. Am not sure if there are more. they include NIPCO, Green Fuels and Luxxor gas in Lagos.

ogb5:
2. Technically you can not supply a power plant like the one in Lagos with gas using trucks. This simply mean the professor and those formulating his policy on power generation knows nothing about power generation. The Lagos plant uses natural gas, that is another theme for methane gas. Industrially methane has 2 means of being transported, by pipelines when the point of use is less than 5,000 km and as liquefied natural gas by ships followed by re gasification when the point of use is more than 5, 000 km from the point of production.

Yes, you can. There is no natural gas pipeline to Lagos Island. So how do you think they have been getting their steady supply of gas? Gas has been transported to them, especially the one on Marina, using trucks.

ogb5:
The gas supplied by trucks is liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) used for domestic cooking. No country in the world bases her power generation on LPG. Moreover Nigeria does not have the facility to produce adequate LPG to cater for domestic cooking, so using LPG for power generation is out of the question. So Osinbajo promising to supply gas to power plants with trucks is simply talking about something that is not possible.

Both LPG and CNG can be transported, via trucks. The only difference is that these trucks carrying CNG are designed differently from those carrying LPG. You also need to put in place 'mother & daughter' stations along the logistics chain, for delivery of CNG.

LPG is also delivered at a level of pressure, different from the gas carried by CNG trucks. Both types of gas have different specs and properties.

Gas Turbines powered by LPG also exist, and have been used to deploy power to small communities in countries like Turkey, USA etc. The only thing is that the LPG gas must have a higher proportion of Propane, than Butane.

In Nigeria, our LPG gas has a much higher content of butane, because it is used for cooking. Propane is more inflammable and has a higher Wolbe index or latent energy. That is why it is favoured for LPG powered generating sets and turbines. Capstone is an American company that makes 1MW LPG propane-powered micro-turbines, that are modular and scalable. LPG is also much easier to store at a specified pressure, than natural gas.

ogb5:
3. Osinbajo promised to model his modular power plants after the Lagos power plant. Simply put, the Lagos power plant is among the most expensive gas fired power plant in the world. The Ikeja modular power plant has an installed capacity of 10 megawatts and was built at a cost of 3.2 billion Naira. That was equivalent to about 2 billion usd per gigawatt of electricity. Globally the benchmark cost for gas fired power plants is 1 billion usd per gigawatt of electricity, the Ikeja plant cost twice the global benchmark for such plants. By planning to go with the Lagos model, Osinbajo is telling us the will deliver power at twice the global benchmark cost, and at a cost far higher than the current government is delivering power projects. Several gas fired power plants delivered by the current government in the last 4 yrs were delivered at less than 1 . 3 billion usd per gigawatt.

So Osinbajo has no clue about power generation, he is simply spooling out impossible promises to confuse the electorates. Worse part is that he is a pastor that is supposed to stand by the truth, how will he face God at the end of the day after telling blatant lies on the campaign trail.

http://www.punchng.com/news/apc-will-slash-tariffs-on-imported-cars-osinbajo/

True. The Lagos IPP power plants are too expensive, compared with similar ones set up in other parts of the world.

Now that Buhari is probing everybody and everything, such costs incurred in setting up these IPPs should be probed.

@ laudate, if all Nigerians are half as sharp as you. I enjoyed your response

laudate:
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And how do you know all what you wrote there. Really impressive stuff. Are you an energy expert? Quite refreshing for once to read an intelligent and well articulated response on NL, devoid of hollow talk and abuse.

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kolaaderin:
And u have never seen a gas truck. Geeeez clueless at pick.

use your head, man.

amuwo1980:
@ laudate, if all Nigerians are half as sharp as you. I enjoyed your response

Thanks, Bros. My prayer is for Nigeria to move forward and continue to thrive in a good way that benefits its' citizens, irrespective of the antics of the enemies, within.

Bevista:
And how do you know all what you wrote there. Really impressive stuff. Are you an energy expert? Quite refreshing for once to read an intelligent and well articulated response on NL, devoid of hollow talk and abuse.

Thanks, Boss. May God continue to enlighten all of us and increase our understanding. The knowledge comes from work experience in the gas industry.

Good ideas

You were right

Ovamboland:
Op your analysis is wrong there is something called CNG (compressed natural gas) supplied by trucks from Sango-otta,Ogun state to factories in Ibadan and to Lagos IPPs in Akute

Such plants are quick to deliver once the basic dsign is done it can be adapted with detailing to different locations and constructed and commissioned in 1 year maximum, imagine towns like Ikire, Umudike, Kotangora, Aramoko, having 10MW plants each with 320Bn naira only, 100 small towns will have constant power so farmers, artisans, and produce processing can be started without waiting for laying expensive and time consuming pipelines and high tension cables and step down transformers.

The professors idea is actually a brillant quick fix to provide power quickly country wide while waiting for the natural gas pipeline reaches the towns and then you can such town off truck supply and shorten the CNG transport distance by compressing gas at the nearest reach of the pipeline. This can continue until the national grid pipeline network reaches at least the towns and cities and the cost of compression and trucking will stop. This will be far cheaper than petrol and diesel generator we currently depend on.

I should know because i prepared a technical bid for the design and construction one of the Lagos IPPs.

As regards the cost, a small plant will cost a bit more than a larger plant simply because of economy of scale, simple economics, but in the context of the decentralized plan, you will make up from savings on transmission cost over long distances, heavy duty switches, circuit breakers and transformers. And minister of power just this week announced that he needs $2Billion to generate 1 MW!!!

Always do your research very well before you riducle yourself in a public forum

What is holding them?

ogb5:
Voting in knowledgeable people is one of the beauty of democracy.

Correction
Voting for popular ppl is dark side of democracy.
[/b]This has been well developed by the advanced democracies in the west.
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And they know how much time you will spend debating instead of developing.
Why don't they distribute democracy in Saudi and other oil countries that are loyal to them. Remember how they propped our military juntas for 32 years

To ensure that the nation elects the right people with the right skills, experience and qualifications, politicians are normally grilled on a range of subjects to gauge their understanding of the issues affecting their countries or constituency as the case may be.

In this vein looking at the power policy thrust of the APC as being put forward by no other person than their vice presidential candidate bring to fore some gross deficiency in the policy of the APC on power and shows that professor Osinbajo does not know what power generation entails.

The APC vice has consistently said that their government will improve power supply, the question is how will they do that.
The answer to the question of 'how' was answered by Osinbajo on Tuesday in Ondo during a town hall session. This is what he had to say.

1. They will decentralise power generation.
2. The decentralised power plants will have gas supplied to them by trucks instead of pipelines
3. They will copy the model of power plants already established in Lagos state.

herein lies the ignorance of the professor, also hidden in the rhetoric of the professor is the avenue for looting the treasury.
1. Power generation has been decentralised. Anyone, be it federal government, state government, local government or private companies can now set up power generation plant and sell such produced power as they deem fit. So Osinbajo should tell us something different.
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It was deregulated.
It's not decentralised yet. We are all still on the national grid. Learn to use a dictionary at least

[/b]2. Technically you can not supply a power plant like the one in Lagos with gas using trucks.
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But you can supply them with diesel.
Why don't we lay gas pipe from here to Yankee since its cheaper than ship tanker. Think bfor you talk.

[/b]This simply mean the professor and those formulating his policy on power generation knows nothing about power generation. The Lagos plant uses natural gas, that is another theme for methane gas. Industrially methane has 2 means of being transported, by pipelines when the point of use is less than 5,000 km and as liquefied natural gas by ships followed by re gasification when the point of use is more than 5, 000 km from the point of production. The gas supplied by trucks is liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) used for domestic cooking. No country in the world bases her power generation on LPG. Moreover Nigeria does not have the facility to produce adequate LPG to cater for domestic cooking, so using LPG for power generation is out of the question. So Osinbajo promising to supply gas to power plants with trucks is simply talking about something that is not possible.
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Yet we supply abroad with container ships while we can't do same because you said so.
[/b]3. Osinbajo promised to model his modular power plants after the Lagos power plant. Simply put, the Lagos power plant is among the most expensive gas fired power plant in the world. The Ikeja modular power plant has an installed capacity of 10 megawatts and was built at a cost of 3.2 billion Naira. That was equivalent to about 2 billion usd per gigawatt of electricity. Globally the benchmark cost for gas fired power plants is 1 billion usd per gigawatt of electricity, the Ikeja plant cost twice the global benchmark for such plants. By planning to go with the Lagos model, Osinbajo is telling us the will deliver power at twice the global benchmark cost, and at a cost far higher than the current government is delivering power projects. Several gas fired power plants delivered by the current government in the last 4 yrs were delivered at less than 1 . 3 billion usd per gigawatt.
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That one is just plain corruption but at least we can see the power plant. How many plant you see after obj spent 16 bill dollars
[/b]So Osinbajo has no clue about power generation, he is simply spooling out impossible promises to confuse the electorates. Worse part is that he is a pastor that is supposed to stand by the truth, how will he face God at the end of the day after telling blatant lies on the campaign trail.

http://www.punchng.com/news/apc-will-slash-tariffs-on-imported-cars-osinbajo/

you have no clue how to think outside the box