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RooRuudRonSaha:
you are the real idiot here, drogba has everything over henry, be at wembley, big games , more EPL trophies, more FA cups, more goals in finals.

Post the stats comparing them, though henry scored than drogba but decisive moments drogba rules him like moses ruled his rod

Egbon! I have read countless posts made by you on this nairaland! And I'm still yet to read anyone that made any iota of sense! It cannot be a coincedence! You must simply be daft!

SIRcumalot:
Because coutinho was very good last season.

Lol.. which coutinho?? Screamers here and there does not a good player make. David Silva had a far better season

parrotibaba:
who is this tout? Did drogba win the world cup or the African cup of nations? How many career goals did drogba score n how many did henry score? Where are all this snuff box apes coming out from self? You want to compare a world cup n euro winner with someone that won nothing on the international stage. You are a bigger f00l than I thought ever since I saw u post one nonsense in this thread. E no go take time now dis !diot will come n tell me how he started watching football in Kaduna since 1886. So many dunderheads abound on NL. Go n compare henry to F. Torres then. Opo!

you are a fool how many fa cup or epl did henry win wrt henry,thunder fire ur balls. Has henry ever scored in a ucl final ever did he win european player of the year award.recharge ur brains.idiot drogba
won african player of the year. Go and deceive people in ur village
square

TheNonce:


Egbon! I have read countless posts made by you on this nairaland! And I'm still yet to read anyone that made any iota of sense! It cannot be a coincedence! You must simply be daft!

see this animal.ur brain has been sacrificed to ur village god

leggo:
So players who stay in the dug out are the ones who are more informed? I have access to instant replay on the spot and multiple games every week but a player like Mikel definitely knows better. Is football rocket science? WTF unfolds live on the pitch? Even evolution is not so complicated. You people must really consider yourselves silly to think the opinion of someone like balotelli outranks yours.
Popularity contests like the the PFA awards are hype-influenced.

Mikel definitely knows far more than you do.

He's worked with different managers and played at the highest level.

Have you seen the tactical notebooks that professional footballers have to study?

Does your pause and rewind TV give you tactical information?

Do you understand the concept of a trigger in football? Does your TV explain to you how and when the backline decides to step up and play the offside trap?

Go and read Rafa Benitez's book 'Champions League Dreams'. The players spend up to a month studying deconstructed moves of their opponents.

A substitute is going on the pitch and the assistant manager is showing him 10 pages of laminated diagrams so he knows what he's doing.

If you dig about you will read about teams telling their centre backs to aim targeted long balls at opposing centrebacks and try to force an error, so their midfield can press high up and win the second ball.

If you think you can see all of this on a TV, you must be deluded.

And if you think your knowledge of the game is on par with Mikel, then your conceit has led to self-deceit.

Mayhem on the scummies thread early Friday morning.
Constant chaos around here!

RooRuudRonSaha:
see this animal.ur brain has been sacrificed to ur village god

Sorry I don't banter with rambunctious apes! I only point them in the direction of their cages or handlers! A word is enough for the wise! Although in your case that one na exercise in futility!

RooRuudRonSaha:
you are a fool how many fa cup or epl did henry win wrt henry,thunder fire ur balls. Has henry ever scored in a ucl final ever did he win european player of the year award.recharge ur brains.idiot drogba
won african player of the year. Go and deceive people in ur village
square

Where were you produced? Do you still have warranty?

leggo:
Where were you produced? Do you still have warranty?

what is this retard talking about, where were you produced too and where is your warranty. How is Henry greater than Didier

TheNonce:


Sorry I don't banter with rambunctions apes! I only point them in the direction of their cages or handlers! A word is enough for the wise! Although in your case that one na exercise in futility!

you need a hot slap to reset your empty brains.

"De Gea was very affected because he really wanted to come to Real Madrid.
At 13.30, Manchester United already had the contracts. We sent the contracts to Manchester United at 13.30 and they took eight hours until they sent back the papers. We don't understand why they took eight hours to see the contracts and we don't understand that if they wanted to negotiate, they waited until the last moment. Our relationship with Manchester United is good. Casillas always had good words for De Gea. We do not understand many things, but I'm not here to blame anyone. They lack experience, because this same thing happened last year with Coentrao and Ander Herrera"......Florentino Perez (real madrid president on goal.com)


Cry us a river! Lol!

RooRuudRonSaha:
you are a fool how many fa cup or epl did henry win wrt henry,thunder fire ur balls. Has henry ever scored in a ucl final ever did he win european player of the year award.recharge ur brains.idiot drogba
won african player of the year. Go and deceive people in ur village
square

You are the biggest f00l on NL. Has Drogba won a spoon for his country? Your brain must be filled with tissue paper since u can't even argue to save ur pathetic life. All this grade A coconut heads roaming around on NL should be locked up. A Thierry Henry that was won all there is to win internationally n dis pig is comparing him to Drogba. You need electroshock therapy since u can't think straight. See him shouting African best player like it can be compared to the big guns. Shey na the same award that yaya toure has swept away for four consecutive times without any challenge. Maybe we should also compare the Asian player of the year award winner of 2012, Lee Keun Ho to Henry also. Has drogba ever reached the top five of the Ballon d'or award nomination? Henry has if u don't know. My advice, go back n continue playing Ludo with ur village kids cos dats wat u do best. Didirin

I no know where all this simpletons dey crawl out from. Even a caveman knows Henry sh!ts on drogba without flinching.

Nihilist:
Mikel definitely knows far more than you do.

He's worked with different managers and played at the highest level.

Have you seen the tactical notebooks that professional footballers have to study?

Does your pause and rewind TV give you tactical information?

Do you understand the concept of a trigger in football? Does your TV explain to you how and when the backline decides to step up and play the offside trap?

Go and read Rafa Benitez's book 'Champions League Dreams'. The players spend up to a month studying deconstructed moves of their opponents.

A substitute is going on the pitch and the assistant manager is showing him 10 pages of laminated diagrams so he knows what he's doing.

If you dig about you will read about teams telling their centre backs to aim targeted long balls at opposing centrebacks and try to force an error, so their midfield can press high up and win the second ball.

If you think you can see all of this on a TV, you must be deluded.

And if you think your knowledge of the game is on par with Mikel, then your conceit has led to self-deceit.

You are not putting enough thought into your argument, is there any tactical information that is indiscernible while watching TV? Does it take reading 10 pages of pictures to know that Fellini's role on the pitch is pull the ball down from the air and spread it to his flanks?
What is so hard about playing the offside trap?
All of your examples about "tactical information" are as clear as day.

leggo:
You are not putting enough thought into your argument, is there any tactical information that is indiscernible while watching TV? Does it take reading 10 pages of pictures to know that Fellini's role on the pitch is pull the ball down from the air and spread it to his flanks?
What is so hard about playing the offside trap?
All of your examples about "tactical information" are as clear as day.

You can't possibly analyse football tactics by mere watching it on TV. Even the football pundits that performs detailed analysis during and after matches cannot know what is going on on the football pitch, the roles players play. Yes u can grasp the basic roles players r meant to undertake while watching it on TV but it's more than that, much more. So yes a player is more knowledgeable n is capable of analysing matches more than anyone watching on TV.

parrotibaba:
You can't possibly analyse football tactics by mere watching it on TV. Even the football pundits that performs detailed analysis during and after matches cannot know what is going on on the football pitch, the roles players play. Yes u can grasp the basic roles players r meant to undertake while watching it on TV but it's more than that, much more. So yes a player is more knowledgeable n is capable of analysing matches more than anyone watching on TV.

This argument is contradictory, you watch a match on TV yet cannot know what role each player performs? I don't understand how is it more than that? Do they pause time and carry out some hidden maneuvers? How am I supposed to analyse the match then, should I demand the novels LVG writes before understanding his tactics?

leggo:
Lol.. which coutinho?? Screamers here and there does not a good player make.
David Silva had a far better season

Coutinho was liverpools best player last season without decent help from his other teammates.
They take this thing into consideration when players are shortlisted for awards.

SIRcumalot:
Coutinho was liverpools best player last season without decent help from his other teammates.
They take this thing into consideration when players are shortlisted for awards.

Because he was the best player at Liverpool doesn't mean he is one of the best in the league. Someone has to be a club's best player with or without help.

leggo:
You are not putting enough thought into your argument, is there any tactical information that is indiscernible while watching TV? Does it take reading 10 pages of pictures to know that Fellini's role on the pitch is pull the ball down from the air and spread it to his flanks?
What is so hard about playing the offside trap?
All of your examples about "tactical information" are as clear as day.

Your paucity of thought has again been exposed.

All you see is half the game on a weekend, yet you claim to know more than those who live and breathe the game the other days of the 48 weeks of a season?

I gave you 2 examples of systems that are not immediately discernible to a football outsider, and you're talking about Fellaini spreading the ball.

I don't know if you watch sky sports for footy, but sometimes during games, the pundits will highlight a player's working a defensive triangle as a system within a system.

They actually have to draw lines to link the and follow the players to make it obvious to the non-initiated.

Last season Chelsea were especially dangerous from set pieces. And Stoke/Pulid are historically dangerous from set pieces. Do you think they just send tall players up and "pull the ball down" as you say?

Do you think Fellaini just stands around waiting for the ball? Or do you think it's coincindence when he runs either near post or far post?

Football spectators have a reactive experience I.e we process what we see

Football players on the other hand have a proactive experience in that they think at least 1-2 moves ahead. That is established in training from an early age.

Thus they know who should be where. They can predict moves and systems for themselves and opponents.

My friend, Mikel is a multiple EPL and European champion. You cannot even know up to half of what he knows about the game.

There's a reason why broadcasters hire ex-professionals to analyse the games at half time, and not the Leggos of this world.

leggo:
This argument is contradictory, you watch a match on TV yet cannot know what role each player performs? I don't understand how is it more than that? Do they pause time and carry out some hidden maneuvers? How am I supposed to analyse the match then, should I demand the novels LVG writes before understanding his tactics?

You don't get it. Yes u can analyse the game after watching on TV but u can't possibly analyse it better than the players n the coaches who dished out/are being dished out the tactical instructions to produce on the pitch. Basic instructions can be seen on the TV like the Fellaini example u gave but the tactical ones, those ones you don't see on TV, for example the various shapes a team takes as a match progresses or a match whereby the coach is more interested in how the team plays than the result. Why do u think Moaninho complained bitterly about someone leaking his tactics to the press when he was at Madrid? There are certain roles a player performs on the pitch that u can't see n sometimes u can see a team coach dishing out instructions to a sub coming on. My point is that u can't possibly analyse a game better than the team coaches n the players simply because u r not privileged to see the entire tactics board.

Nihilist:
Mikel definitely knows far more than you do.

He's worked with different managers and played at the highest level.

Have you seen the tactical notebooks that professional footballers have to study?

Does your pause and rewind TV give you tactical information?

Do you understand the concept of a trigger in football? Does your TV explain to you how and when the backline decides to step up and play the offside trap?

Go and read Rafa Benitez's book 'Champions League Dreams'. The players spend up to a month studying deconstructed moves of their opponents.

A substitute is going on the pitch and the assistant manager is showing him 10 pages of laminated diagrams so he knows what he's doing.

If you dig about you will read about teams telling their centre backs to aim targeted long balls at opposing centrebacks and try to force an error, so their midfield can press high up and win the second ball.

If you think you can see all of this on a TV, you must be deluded.

And if you think your knowledge of the game is on par with Mikel, then your conceit has led to self-deceit.

my man i would like to Read those books how can i get it?

Nihilist:
Your paucity of thought has again been exposed.

All you see is half the game on a weekend, yet you claim to know more than those who live and breathe the game the other days of the 48 weeks of a season?

I gave you 2 examples of systems that are not immediately discernible to a football outsider, and you're talking about Fellaini spreading the ball.

I don't know if you watch sky sports for footy, but sometimes during games, the pundits will highlight a player's working a defensive triangle as a system within a system.

They actually have to draw lines to link the and follow the players to make it obvious to the non-initiated.

Last season Chelsea were especially dangerous from set pieces. And Stoke/Pulid are historically dangerous from set pieces. Do you think they just send tall players up and "pull the ball down" as you say?

Do you think Fellaini just stands around waiting for the ball? Or do you think it's coincindence when he runs either near post or far post?

Football spectators have a reactive experience I.e we process what we see

Football players on the other hand have a proactive experience in that they think at least 1-2 moves ahead. That is established in training from an early age.

Thus they know who should be where. They can predict moves and systems for themselves and opponents.

My friend, Mikel is a multiple EPL and European champion. You cannot even know up to half of what he knows about the game.

There's a reason why broadcasters hire ex-professionals to analyse the games at half time, and not the Leggos of this world.

Your argument is porous and lacking substance. You consistently revert to fallacies with no solid point. You keep telling me what I think are you some sort of mind reader? I pity whoever employs you o.
"They know who should be where" - as opposed to what Keep losing an argument against yourself

parrotibaba:
You don't get it. Yes u can analyse the game after watching on TV but u can't possibly analyse it better than the players n the coaches who dished out/are being dished out the tactical instructions to produce on the pitch. Basic instructions can be seen on the TV like the Fellaini example u gave but the tactical ones, those ones you don't see on TV, for example the various shapes a team takes as a match progresses or a match whereby the coach is more interested in how the team plays than the result. Why do u think Moaninho complained bitterly about someone leaking his tactics to the press when he was at Madrid? There are certain roles a player performs on the pitch that u can't see n sometimes u can see a team coach dishing out instructions to a sub coming on. My point is that u can't possibly analyse a game better than the team coaches n the players simply because u r not privileged to see the entire tactics board.

You are operating on the assumption that the players actually carry out the tactics to the last letter, why do I have to see the team board to understand tactics then?
How can teams change shapes during games on TV yet you don't notice? Even part-time bloggers notice and put that in their match analysis.

leggo:
Because he was the best player at Liverpool doesn't mean he is one of the best in the league. Someone has to be a club's best player with or without help.

Ranking coutinho ahead of Silva doesn't mean coutinho is automatically better than Silva.
It really just a measure of importance to your team.
Even within his team Aguero was awarded the player of the season not silva.

SIRcumalot:
Ranking coutinho ahead of Silva doesn't mean coutinho is automatically better than Silva.
It really just a measure of importance to your team.
Even within his team Aguero was awarded the player of the season not silva.

Aguero and Silva don't play the same position.

leggo:
You are operating on the assumption that the players actually carry out the tactics to the last letter, why do I have to see the team board to understand tactics then?
How can teams change shapes during games on TV yet you don't notice? Even part-time bloggers notice and put that in their match analysis.

it's not an assumption cos if players fail to comply to the coaches instructions, they sit on the bench. Do you know that Bayern changes shape regularly during a match? You can't possibly know cos u r not there on the training ground where the instructions r dished out or during the match. This is different from when a team decides to park the bus n counter or hug possession, that u can see but the majority of instructions n roles like blocking various channels even when u r without the ball, u can't see all that from watching it on a TV cos the TV cameras focuses on the ball not on the players so u only see half of what is going on on the pitch except u r a player or a coach.

leggo:
Aguero and Silva don't play the same position.

Hazard and costa don't play the same position yet the former won the best player on his team despite scoring less goals.
Again it is a measure of importance.

parrotibaba:
it's not an assumption cos if players fail to comply to the coaches instructions, they sit on the bench. Do you know that Bayern changes shape regularly during a match? You can't possibly know cos u r not there on the training ground where the instructions r dished out or during the match. This is different from when a team decides to park the bus n counter or hug possession, that u can see but the majority of instructions n roles like blocking various channels even when u r without the ball, u can't see all that from watching it on a TV cos the TV cameras focuses on the ball not on the players so u only see half of what is going on on the pitch except u r a player or a coach.

You can tell all this from watching your team on TV.
How many analysis wannabe for here they go stadium before dem give us their opinion of why we played in certain way.
Even when you miss something we get replay that tell us the player to blame or praise.

SIRcumalot:
You can tell all this from watching your team on TV.
How many analysis wannabe for here they go stadium before dem give us their opinion of why we played in certain way.
Even when you miss something we get replay that tell us the player to blame or praise.

You can't. Understand this, everybody that watches a game on TV can analyse the game but can u analyse it better than the coaches n players? that's where the argument started. By the way the answer to that question is no. You can't possibly see everything on TV, the instructions being dished out on the touchline by coaches or by the captains in the field of play. When the defenders decides to play the offside trap or when they decide to track back. Like Nihilist said, look at sky sports for example ,why do they hire ex players n coaches to analyse games instead of some one that watches games on TV alone? because they have seen it all, from the trainings to the match.

TheNonce:


Egbon! I have read countless posts made by you on this nairaland! And I'm still yet to read anyone that made any iota of sense! It cannot be a coincedence! You must simply be daft!

And that was how I was talking with pataki and the clown started talking,as if he is on crack

parrotibaba:
You can't. Understand this, everybody that watches a game on TV can analyse the game but can u analyse it better than the coaches n players? that's where the argument started. By the way the answer to that question is no. You can't possibly see everything on TV, the instructions being dished out on the touchline by coaches or by the captains in the field of play. When the defenders decides to play the offside trap or when they decide to track back. Like Nihilist said, look at sky sports for example ,why do they hire ex players n coaches to analyse games instead of some one that watches games on TV alone? because they have seen it all, from the trainings to the match.

We don't see everything but we do see the important ones.
Even the coach can't see everything that is why they rely on video analysis.
Also as you know we don't have one camera following the ball their are other covering all part of the field.
We see the instructions and the hand signals we just can hear or understand them.
We can totally tell when a player beats the offside trap or a team is sitting deep or playing the highline.
If I don't understand this is because am coming from a fan perspective.

leggo:
Lol.. which coutinho?? Screamers here and there does not a good player make.
David Silva had a far better season

Silva couldn't live up once Toure was left out of games before Nations cup, during nations cup and on Toure's return with fatigue.