CSTR2:
There was nothing empiric about oyo.
It was more or less a kingdom of indigenous people Inferior to the benin kingdom.
The only time the Oyo kingdom attempted expansionism across benin republic, it was given a total humiliation by women from dahomey.
Igbos on the other hand just like the ancient greeks before persian invasion did not see the need for an empire. There were no group of people strong and organized enough in west africa to actually pose any existensial threat to the igbo people to necessitate the creation of an igbo empire.
The greeks too who were more or less independent city states similiar to the igbo nation, would not have created any empire but for the threat of persian invasion.
And when the greeks did, they sowed the seed of a mighty empire that would rise to its glorious peak through alexander the great.

You imbe*cile, don't you ever in your miserable life compare the revered Greek empire to your coalition of local Ibo hamlets. Are you crazy?

WhiteTechnology:



Yes greed for fame


I realize that societies prosper when men are ready to contribute positively even if they won't be remembered or praised.

It's the same greed for fame and wealth that drive One Nigeria Igbo apologists today.
They have been blinded by their greed, but they are minority, and we the majority must not let them enslave their and our unborn generation in this cursed union just to preserve their greed for fame and material things.

#Nation- Family- God.

God bless Biafra.

ISpiksDaTroof:


You imbe*cile, don't you ever in your miserable life compare the revered Greek empire to your coalition of local Ibo hamlets. Are you crazy?

You are a tout and a slowpoke.
The greeks are no way superior to the igbo nation. Of course, they are probably superior to the cowardly yoruba nation afflicted with a serious case of herd mentality.

OPCNAIRALAND:


Let me quickly clear the air before chest beaters start to make noise.

Azikiwe was not truthful in his recollection of archived African history. The truth is wars and territorial confrontations and rivalry for dominance in Africa is fought amongst giants....no Empire pay any mind to small and defenseless people like Ibos. What are you going to gain by fighting Ibo? It is a downgrade for a big and respectful Empire to go and bully a small village of yam farmers.

Read the history of conquest in Africa and you will see that Oyo only warred against mighty conquerors....Songhai, Ashanti, Dahomey, Fulani, Nupe.

Fulani warred Kanuri, Hausa, Nupe, Oyo.

Kanuri warred Fulani, Bachama, Darfur

Bariba warred Dahomey, Fulani.

Nupe warred Oyo, Fulani.


So who get time for some small inconsequential collection of villages who compete amongst themselves in wrestle bouts and the winner is declared the village hero.....when in Oyo, their heroes are on horseback galloping into enemy territory to go enslave the men and chop the women poussy for spoil?

As igbos were weaklings, why didn't Yoruba n Bini empire take their warriors to colonize or enslave IGBO

Answer that quietly to ur self.

oluspencer:




Maybe you're talking about the Egba and the only time that OYO was defeated came in the hand of the Hausa/Fulani (Usman dan fodia). After the fall of Oyo there begins the Rise of Ibandan warriors. The Chest beating eastern Gorilla were only fighting for women and land with the jungle. It didn't even expand towards Benin except doing the civil war that he met the waterloo @ ore.

OYO was not defeated by Hausa Fulani. The defeat you are talking about was in the hands of Ilorin led by Afonja an OYO man. Afonja was the Are ona Kankan ofo, the leader of the Oyo army. So, for the leader of the Oyo army to have waged a war against his own people, that's to tell you it was an internal crisis. The Ilorin army that sacked Oyo ile were led by Yoruba generals.

OPCNAIRALAND:


Let me quickly clear the air before chest beaters start to make noise.

Azikiwe was not truthful in his recollection of archived African history. The truth is wars and territorial confrontations and rivalry for dominance in Africa is fought amongst giants....no Empire pay any mind to small and defenseless people like Ibos. What are you going to gain by fighting Ibo? It is a downgrade for a big and respectful Empire to go and bully a small village of yam farmers.

Read the history of conquest in Africa and you will see that Oyo only warred against mighty conquerors....Songhai, Ashanti, Dahomey, Fulani, Nupe.

Fulani warred Kanuri, Hausa, Nupe, Oyo.

Kanuri warred Fulani, Bachama, Darfur

Bariba warred Dahomey, Fulani.

Nupe warred Oyo, Fulani.


So who get time for some small inconsequential collection of villages who compete amongst themselves in wrestle bouts and the winner is declared the village hero.....when in Oyo, their heroes are on horseback galloping into enemy territory to go enslave the men and chop the women poussy for spoil?

you are a fool, go and read the Ekumeku war against the British..

chuna1985:



As igbos were weaklings, why didn't Yoruba n Bini empire take their warriors to colonize or enslave IGBO

Answer that quietly to ur self.

Guy, be careful about saying what you know little about. Oyo kingdom never extended into Igbo enclave, that is not in doubt. But evidently the Bini empire (under Oba Eware the Great) did conquer and colonize Ika-Igbos and made them tributaries (in present-day Anioma/Asaba axis of Delta state), unless you wanna deny their being igbos. Which explains the heavy Bini-influence in those parts.

pazienza:


Oyo village empire was defeated and ransacked by Nupe warriors and her Oyo ile capital seized. Forcing Oyo to move down south.

Again Oyo was defeated by the Fulanis and her Ilorin border seized and converted to an Emirate with a sitting Gambari Emir, with Ilorin Yoruba citizens converted to eternal slaves that have been gradually " Hausa- fulanized" over the decades.

You should bow down your head in shame.

It took the intervention of Britain and USSR and ceding of Bakassi to Cameroun to Bring the Biafrans down.

you get time they reply the Yoruba goat.

OduaVanguard:


Guy, be careful about saying what you know little about. Oyo kingdom never extended into Igbo enclave, that is not in doubt. But evidently the Bini empire (under Oba Eware the Great) did conquer and colonize Ika-Igbos and made them tributaries (in present-day Anioma/Asaba axis of Delta state), unless you wanna deny their being igbos. Which explains the heavy Bini-influence in those parts.

So out of the whole igbo land, only small pocket(delta state) was conquered by all mighty Bini empire

Why didn't they conquer igbo land since we are weaklings.

It took the colonial masters 35 years to conquer igbo land, that should show u why no one dared to attack d weak igbos.

pazienza:


Oyo village empire was defeated and ransacked by Nupe warriors and her Oyo ile capital seized. Forcing Oyo to move down south.

Again Oyo was defeated by the Fulanis and her Ilorin border seized and converted to an Emirate with a sitting Gambari Emir, with Ilorin Yoruba citizens converted to eternal slaves that have been gradually " Hausa- fulanized" over the decades.

You should bow down your head in shame.

It took the intervention of Britain and USSR and ceding of Bakassi to Cameroun to Bring the Biafrans down.

I don't know why you ediots try to tarnish other people's history just because of the hate you have for them. you really are a phool. now read this

Afonja’s influence thus began to grow. Afonja tried to
become emperor, but some chiefs opposed this. Thus in
1817, he declared Ilorin also independent just as other
provinces were also doing. Afonja had a Fulani adviser,
Mallam Alimi, and he encouraged dan Fodio jihadists
warriors to support Afonja.
Meanwhile, Fulani/Hausas were popularly used in
Yorubaland as cheap labors and servants, they were so
popular that looking down the nose upon the northerners
continued well into post-colonial years in Nigeria. So with
the call to arms, Hausa/Fulani laborers in the Oyo
underground economy swelled the ranks by fleeing to
Ilorin. Ojo, the only surviving son of Ga, along with the
Onikoyi of Ikoyi, which was then the largest provincial
town of Oyo hence marched against Ilorin.
The Ikoyi’s were the royal battalion of the imperial army
and were also known as Ikoyi-Eso (Guards Battalion).
When the war began and Hausa/Fulani ex-laborers
roamed the country pillaging and selling their former
Yoruba aristocratic masters as slaves to white slave
buyers (as happened to Ajayi Crowther and his mother
who were sold to Portuguese when their village was
sacked by the Muslims later in 1821: read earlier post of
Eshu and Christian Devil on this blog), Afonja became
displeased with this.
And since he was still suspected of being loyal to Yoruba
than Islam, Alimi had Afonja killed and his son, Abdul
Salami took Ilorin throne as emir, giving allegiance to the
Sokoto caliphate. Thus Ilorin became a part of the Sokoto
caliphate. There was no central authority anymore in Oyo
and a lot of the provinces kept breaking away and the
disunity did not give a common cause to the Yorubas to
fight and retake Ilorin

I understand you ibos never had anything close to civilization before the coming of the white man. don't try to change history

https://takeupanarm./2011/04/22/how-and-what-made-oyo-collapse/

chuna1985:



So out of the whole igbo land, only small pocket(delta state) was conquered by all mighty Bini empire

Why didn't they conquer igbo land since we are weaklings.

It took the colonial masters 35 years to conquer igbo land, that should show u why no one dared to attack d weak igbos.

Look, there's no point flogging a dead horse. That Bini influence extended into the present-day Onitsha in the SE as the Aniomas and Onitshas are practically one and same people separated by the Niger. Truth is, we are talking about a period of time when most tribes weren't really united under an umbrella of "Yoruba", "Igbo", "Hausa-Fulani" appellation or whatever. The Arochukwu saw themselves as distinct from the Nris and made the raiding, enslaving/selling, and kidnapping of their kinsmen a preferred pastime. Those were the days of unbriddled brutality and inhumanity all over Africa and much of the world. To say that Igbos were never at any point 'conquered' by either their own kin or outsiders is nothing but a fantasy.

CSTR2:
You are a tout and a slowpoke.
The greeks are no way superior to the igbo nation. Of course, they are probably superior to the cowardly yoruba nation afflicted with a serious case of herd mentality.

cow you refused to reply mentions since I bursted your bubble and schooled you earlier. cowards don't establish an empire. yorubas had empires before the white man came. what did Igbos have? ibos were busy chasing bush meat and dancing round a fire unclad.

Jaideyone:
I don't know why you ediots try to tarnish other people's history just because of the hate you have for them. you really are a phool. now read this I understand you ibos never had anything close to civilization before the coming of the white man. don't try to change history

https://takeupanarm./2011/04/22/how-and-what-made-oyo-collapse/

Don't mind that guy. He has a penchant for reading history and then putting his own spin on it/rewriting it to sound intelligent. But he ain't fooling no one.

chuna1985:



So out of the whole igbo land, only small pocket(delta state) was conquered by all mighty Bini empire

Why didn't they conquer igbo land since we are weaklings.

It took the colonial masters 35 years to conquer igbo land, that should show u why no one dared to attack d weak igbos.

lmao you jokers should thank the middle belt for resisting Fulani incursion to your territory from the north and also thank the Binis for resisting the Oyo empire from the west. Oyo empire extended all the way the port novo in the west. it would have extended all the way to IBO land if not for the resistance of the Bini people

OPCNAIRALAND:


Let me quickly clear the air before chest beaters start to make noise.

Azikiwe was not truthful in his recollection of archived African history. The truth is wars and territorial confrontations and rivalry for dominance in Africa is fought amongst giants....no Empire pay any mind to small and defenseless people like Ibos. What are you going to gain by fighting Ibo? It is a downgrade for a big and respectful Empire to go and bully a small village of yam farmers.

Read the history of conquest in Africa and you will see that Oyo only warred against mighty conquerors....Songhai, Ashanti, Dahomey, Fulani, Nupe.

Fulani warred Kanuri, Hausa, Nupe, Oyo.

Kanuri warred Fulani, Bachama, Darfur

Bariba warred Dahomey, Fulani.

Nupe warred Oyo, Fulani.


So who get time for some small inconsequential collection of villages who compete amongst themselves in wrestle bouts and the winner is declared the village hero.....when in Oyo, their heroes are on horseback galloping into enemy territory to go enslave the men and chop the women poussy for spoil?

Nzuzu egbuola gi, anyway...

otipoju:


Are you sure...how about the Nnamdi Azikiwe university

It's a federal university owned by federal government.

egift:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/2800197_bu202_jpegc2f2ff0506c65c25c52325d9b8bd9b81

Nobody can claim to be more an Igboman than Ikemba himself. He lived and was buried a Nigerian. To all those seeking a Caveland in my backyard, I put it to you that even your grandchildren will live their live as Nigerians.

Anyi bu umu Nigeria. QED.

May thunder fire your useless head for wishing bad luck to our future grandchildren. May you never see a grandchild in this your life time for wishing backwards, bad luck zoogeria on our own grandchildren. Nkita

Ugomba:
you are a fool, go and read the Ekumeku war against the British..

Don't mind them. Yoruba were the easiest people to conquer by the British. Even Bini conquered them once a upon a time. The Igbo were the hardest to conquer and even after British colonized all Nigeria, it was srilll Igbo that kept on fighting them even during colonization. The yoloba should thank middle belt, if not for them, the Fulani colonization of them wouldn't be en just in illorin, it would have been the entire sw land.

pazienza:
The only worthwhile stand we can make as a nation is to assert our right to self-determination, as a unit of a prospective Federal Commonwealth of Nigeria and the Cameroons, where our rights will be respected and safeguarded. Roughly speaking, there are twenty main dialectal regions in the Ibo nation, which can be conveniently departmentalized as Provinces of an Ibo State, to wit: Mbamili in the northwest, Aniocha in the west, Anidinma and Ukwuani in the southeast, Nsukka and Udi in the north, Awgu, Awka and Onitsha in the centre, Ogbaru in the south, Abakaliki and Afikpo in the northwest, Okigwi, Orlu, Owerri and Mbaise in the east, Ngwa, Bende, Abiriba Ohafia and Etche in the southwest. These Provinces can have their territorial boundaries delimited, they can select their capitals, and then can conveniently develop their resources both for their common benefit and for those of the other nationalities who make up this great country called Nigeria and the Cameroons.

This is an old article, I myself had posted many times on this site.

But each time I see this part of this article, I marvel at the insight of Zik, and I wonder what later beclouded him to be a Nigerian nationalist instead of Igbo nationalist.

Zik should have been fighting for Igbo independence, and not Nigerian independence.

Could it be personal greed that blinded him later in his life? He had the perfect vision at the start, he knew we had nothing in common with Oodua and Arewa people, other than skin color.

Go and read his speech on Northern attempt at secession. Its full of revelations why he wanted and fought for a unitary system.


It is now as it was then. The spread of Ibo across Nigerian cities did not start today....he was an ethnic leader fighting ethnic interests but he fretted and panicked in the fear of what might be if Northerners succeeded in seceeding. His remedy to right the drift produced overzealouness that backfired negatively, first in 1963, second in 1966 and third in 1967.

Biafra is a political struggle, it cannot be won with economic mobility. Ibos think by spreading away from home and establishing economic footprint in diffrrent ethnic regions equates to political victory for them. Nothing can be more insane! As someone, an Iboman, retardly shared in few posts earlier, if I buy phone and clothes from him he has scored political advantage over me.

Everywhere in world people for indigenous rights and independence it is done firmly from the homefront, not from scattered frontiers located in different places miles apart. This is what Ojukwu accomplished by calling for a return home. The outcome was a successful declaration and he could have gained more from there.....if he had focused and remained in his territory instead of invading territories that are non Biafrans.

Ibos have learnt lessons....but are they smart enough to apply lessons learnt and make Biafra a reality, or will Ibo continue living the wrong priorities while shouting Biafra every time its political advantage is reversed?

Jaideyone:
cow you refused to reply mentions since I bursted your bubble and schooled you earlier. cowards don't establish an empire. yorubas had empires before the white man came. what did Igbos have? ibos were busy chasing bush meat and dancing round a fire unclad.

IGNORAMUS, so having empires is now a criteria for greatness. Now listen the Igbos love being free and that is why the igbos have autonomous communities even till today the empire thing is not the way we flow we have no need for one. We dnt believe we are under any human being we believe in God that is why we will always have problem with Nigeria which is a white mans creation. The only time we came close to forming what looked like an empire, the entire Nigeria couldn't defeat us and had to invite the so called white men to intervene and even at that they didn't find it easy and the civil war ended no Victor no Vanquished which was just words put together to oil the ego of the so called nigerians because they where heavily beaten. Yes we may hv appeared weak and chased bush meat, but then have ever heard the saying never touch the tail of a lion whether its dead or alive. Well I dnt expect u or any of ur cohorts to understand and as usual u pple are going to select certain areas of my comment to make ur vituperative utterances. But I realised that u pple do so cos u re used to lies and those utterances are the only things u can tell yourselves so as to cure or calm ur insomnia

At the end of the day Nigeria is not a peaceful to be, so whats the war against ibos for; a child that said her mother will not sleep at night will also not sleep.

onenaira3:


May thunder fire your useless head for wishing bad luck to our future grandchildren. May you never see a grandchild in this your life time for wishing backwards, bad luck zoogeria on our own grandchildren. Nkita

Your great grand children will all be NIGERIANS

Jaideyone:
cow you refused to reply mentions since I bursted your bubble and schooled you earlier. cowards don't establish an empire. yorubas had empires before the white man came. what did Igbos have? ibos were busy chasing bush meat and dancing round a fire unclad.

I refuse to reply you because your source was bogus.
Wikipedia is not a credible source. It was probably written by a yoruba revisionist.
And no, oyo kingdom was not an empire. it had no foreign territories of note. Infact it lost it own territories.
And yes, you guys are cowards. The only credible threat that came via colonialism saw you guys prostrating like insects even before they landed.
Just thank your stars the oyo kingdom did not extend its madness down east. We would have treated your fucckups.

They have been shouting marginalisation for almost a century now and here they are in 2015 still screaming same.

Like Grandfathers like fathers and like sons.

egift:


Your great grand children will all be NIGERIANS

Like I said may you never see grandchildren in this your life time and thunder fire you. Enyi!!!!

onenaira3:


Don't mind them. Yoruba were the easiest people to conquer by the British. Even Bini conquered them once a upon a time. The Igbo were the hardest to conquer and even after British colonized all Nigeria, it was srilll Igbo that kept on fighting them even during colonization. The yoloba should thank middle belt, if not for them, the Fulani colonization of them wouldn't be en just in illorin, it would have been the entire sw land.

Instead of acting a fool and talking crap about what you know nothing about you can easily pick up a book and read up on how the Fulanis were decisively defeated by the Yorubas at Osogbo, a feat that forever perished the thought of their ever venturing into our lands ever since. The middle-belt didn't in any way hinder the Fulani ambitions up until that decisive defeat. Google is your friend.

None of your grandstanding can alter the fact that the British regarded Igbos as slavish, subservient and docile towards the whiteman, in contrast to the Yorubaman; at least Harold Smith, one of the colonial officers the British Government sent to rig Nigeria’s pre-independence elections, thought so according to his autobiography:

“But the British were not treated as gods by the Yoruba. In my experience, the Yoruba regarded themselves as superior to the British and one only had to read a book written by Awolowo, the Western leader, to know why. The Yoruba were often highly intelligent and they taunted the British with sending inferior people to Nigeria. The Igbo would be humble and avert his eyes in the presence of a European. The Yoruba child would look at an important European and shout, ‘Hello, white man,’ as if he were a freak.”


“The thrust of the British Government’s policy was against the Action Group led by Chief Awolowo, which ruled in the Western Region. Not only was the British Government working hand in glove with the North, which was a puppet state favoured and controlled by the British administration, but it was colluding through Okotie-Eboh with Dr. Azikiwe – Zik – the leader of the largely Igbo NCNC, which ruled in the East. We tricked Azikiwe into accepting to be president having known that Balewa will be the main man with power. Awolowo has to go to jail to cripple his genius plans for a greater Nigeria.”

oluspencer:




Maybe you're talking about the Egba and the only time that OYO was defeated came in the hand of the Hausa/Fulani (Usman dan fodia). After the fall of Oyo there begins the Rise of Ibandan warriors. The Chest beating eastern Gorilla were only fighting for women and land with the jungle. It didn't even expand towards Benin except doing the civil war that he met the waterloo @ ore.

And that your so called waterloo we shall come again. Prepare something bigger this time around.

OduaVanguard:


Instead of acting a fool and talking crap about what you know nothing about you can easily pick up a book and read up on how the Fulanis were decisively defeated by the Yorubas at Osogbo, a feat that forever perished the thought of their ever venturing into our lands ever since. The middle-belt didn't in any way hinder the Fulani ambitions up until that decisive defeat. Google is your friend.

None of your grandstanding can alter the fact that the British regarded Igbos as slavish, subservient and docile towards the whiteman, in contrast to the Yorubaman; at least Harold Smith, one of the colonial officers the British Government sent to rig Nigeria’s pre-independence elections, thought so according to his autobiography:

why you guys dwell in deceit is what I find difficult to understand. The original oyo capital called oyo ile was destroyed never to be recovered again. Illorin was taken never to be recovered again and you are blabbing. The fulani moved on to attack Ibadan but all yoruba army gathered to fight just a band of fulani warriors and you are rejoicing. Yes the fulanis were pushed back at oshogbo and the recamped at Illorin planning a massive attack on your useless army. They assembled a calvary of about 20000 men. It was only the British that saved you all. If not so you would have been roundly defeated. The fulanis know this so well that's why they don't take you guys seriously. You're a defeated people already. Anybody can research what I wrote her and prove me wrong.

onenaira3:
Like I said may you never see grandchildren in this your life time and thunder fire you. Enyi!!!!

It is idiotic talks like these the reason I will never share a shallow caveland with hate mongers like you.

Nigeria is a land of peace. Be patrotic and law abiding. Any day you pick up arms, we will declare you an enemy of the State and deal with you accordingly. Eji gi Igbo agwaya onye ocha

CSTR2:
I refuse to reply you because your source was bogus.
Wikipedia is not a credible source. It was probably written by a yoruba revisionist.
And no, oyo kingdom was not an empire. it had no foreign territories of note. Infact it lost it own territories.
And yes, you guys are cowards. The only credible threat that came via colonialism saw you guys prostrating like insects even before they landed.
Just thank your stars the oyo kingdom did not extend its madness down east. We would have treated your fucckups.

lmao was there anything like foreign in the west Africa of 17th century? it's not an empire but it covered 150,000 square km. are you more knowledgeable than those that called it the oyo empire? so the wikipedia link i gave you doesn't have references? have you verified all the references before trashing the link? you really are dumber than I thought

VonBismark:
IGNORAMUS, so having empires is now a criteria for greatness. Now listen the Igbos love being free and that is why the igbos have autonomous communities even till today the empire thing is not the way we flow we have no need for one. We dnt believe we are under any human being we believe in God that is why we will always have problem with Nigeria which is a white mans creation. The only time we came close to forming what looked like an empire, the entire Nigeria couldn't defeat us and had to invite the so called white men to intervene and even at that they didn't find it easy and the civil war ended no Victor no Vanquished which was just words put together to oil the ego of the so called nigerians because they where heavily beaten. Yes we may hv appeared weak and chased bush meat, but then have ever heard the saying never touch the tail of a lion whether its dead or alive. Well I dnt expect u or any of ur cohorts to understand and as usual u pple are going to select certain areas of my comment to make ur vituperative utterances. But I realised that u pple do so cos u re used to lies and those utterances are the only things u can tell yourselves so as to cure or calm ur insomnia

slowpoke an empire and a political system like that of the Oyo empire long before the colonial era is a sign of civilization. I know you hate to admit it but the Oyo empire had a system of king, king maker, war chiefs and law makers long before the colonial era. if that is not greatness to you then I now understand why ibos don't have such history