ayoku777:


Its clearly in the bible. But people hate to see or admit or agree with anything that challenges their held long doctrinal bias.

Dead saints are not sent to earth as messengers or mediators from heaven. They are not angels or Jesus.

Any such appearances is demonic.

Shalom

And if God decides to, will you stop him?

ayoku777:


Its clearly in the bible. But people hate to see or admit or agree with anything that challenges their held long doctrinal bias.

Dead saints are not sent to earth as messengers or mediators from heaven. They are not angels or Jesus.

Any such appearances is demonic.

Shalom

Which verse says that saints cannot appear on earth...

And that Elijah's apparition was demonic?

You're preaching demonic doctrines.

dmandy:


So in your own 'best and only acceptable' opinion, the Gentile Church was the offspring of Isreal.

Waoh.

A symbolic vision indeed which only you can interpret. hmmmmmmm

italo:
Which verse says that saints cannot appear on earth...

And that Elijah's apparition was demonic?

You're preaching demonic doctrines.

And which verse says saints in heaven can be sent to saints on earth? And don't give me Elijah, because he was clearly a mediator of the old covenant at that time; which he no longer is. And don't give me the Mattew 26 saints, they were clearly not from heaven.

You would really need to twist the scriptures or draw generalized conclusion to make the claim that saints in heaven can appear as messengers or mediators to saints on earth.

And I never said the appearance of Elijah at the transfiguration was demonic. Ofcourse theirs had a scriptural justification; because as at that time Elijah appeared together with Moses as mediators of the old covenant (the law and the prophet).

But no apparition or appearance of Elijah now, or of Mary, or of Moses has any biblical scriptural basis anymore. Because they're not messengers or mediators anymore. Only Jesus is.

Saints in heaven will only be seen again at the resurrection or by saints who also die and go to heaven. Before then, any other appearance claiming to be them is demonic.

Shalom

ayoku777:


That woman represents Israel (the seed of Abraham after the flesh); the nation that brought forth the Messiah (the man child).

Notice that after the man child (Jesus) was taken up to heaven, the woman was persecuted by the dragon; after which she went into the wilderness for a while. And the dragon now turned its wrath to the remnant of her ofsprings (the gentile church or the seed of Abraham after the Spirit)

That's exactly what happened to the nation of Israel. Shortly after Jesus ascended, the nation of Israel was destroyed and laid fallow for many years. During which the devil focused his wrath on the gentile church.

The woman represents Israel, not Mary or any dead saint. It is a symbolic vision.

Shalom.

So not only "covenant mediators" can appear now.

Countries too can appear.

Like Israel, Nigeria etc

Only the appearance of Mary and Elijah are demonic, abi?

ayoku777:


And which verse says saints in heaven can be sent to saints on earth? And don't give me Elijah, because he was clearly a mediator of the old covenant at that time; which he no longer is. And don't give me the Mattew 26 saints, they were clearly not from heaven.

You would really need to twist the scriptures or draw generalized conclusion to make the claim that saints in heaven can appear as messengers or mediators to saints on earth.

And I never said the appearance of Elijah at the transfiguration was demonic. Ofcourse theirs had a scriptural justification; because as at that time Elijah appeared together with Moses as mediators of the old covenant (the law and the prophet).

But no apparition or appearance of Elijah now, or of Mary, or of Moses has any biblical scriptural basis anymore. Because they're not messengers or mediators anymore. Only Jesus is.

Saints in heaven will only be seen again at the resurrection or by saints who also die and go to heaven. Before then, any other appearance claiming to be them is demonic.

Shalom

Elijah and Moses appeared from heaven.

It is up to you to show where the Bible said that they could only appear once as covenant mediators.

And that any other apparition of saints is demonic?

Which chapter, which verse?

What is the scriptural justification for church weddings and funerals?

They are demonic too abi?

italo:

My Brother,

I give up. I am out of this thread with speed.

The battle supremacy killing Christianity today. How did the devil learn that?

Insecurity has led Christians to continually launch unfounded attacks on themselves. A supposedly Christian opened a thread just to say that anybody paying tithe is a candidate of hell, his reason being that Christ has brought the law to an end. I was dumbfounded. Another is busy posting cartoons all over the place and looking for Muslims and Christ Embassy to abuse, but neither ready to teach what he knows nor learn what one can offer him.

And do you blame non-Christians, how can you believe with such intolerance?

How can a house divided against itself stand?

But thank God, that Jesus knew this would happen and promised, 'the gate of hell shall not prevail against the Church'.

dmandy:


So in your own 'best and only acceptable' opinion, the Gentile Church was the offspring of Isreal.

Waoh.

A symbolic vision indeed which only you can interpret. hmmmmmmm

Rev 12v17 -And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

In this passage, who is the seed of the woman? It is Jesus, the man child (Rev 12v5)

And who are the remnant of her seed (Jesus)? It is the believing jews and gentiles. That's why it said "those which have the testimony of Jesus Christ".

The remnant of the seed of the woman is the Church; believers in Christ; the seed of Abraham after the Spirit. While the woman herself is Israel; the seed of Abraham after the flesh.

Its not so hard.

Shalom

italo:


Elijah and Moses appeared from heaven.

It is up to you to show where the Bible said that they could only appear once as covenant mediators.

And that any other apparition of saints is demonic?

Which chapter, which verse?

What is the scriptural justification for church weddings and funerals?

They are demonic too abi?

There is also no verse in the bible that categorically says abortion is a sin. But scriptural antecedents show that a baby in the womb already has an identity and destiny with God (as with Jeremiah). So abortion is murder and termination of destiny.

So also, there are no verses that categorically says, dead saints in heaven cannot appear to saints on earth. But scriptural antecedents show that saints in heaven are not messenger angels or mediators of the new covenant.

So any appearance claiming to be any dead saint is contrary to scriptural truths; and are therefore not of God. They are demonic.

Shalom

ayoku777:


Rev 12v17 -And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

In this passage, who is the seed of the woman? It is Jesus, the man child (Rev 12v5)

And who are the remnant of her seed (Jesus)? It is the believing jews and gentiles. That's why it said "those which have the testimony of Jesus Christ".

The remnant of the seed of the woman is the Church; believers in Christ; the seed of Abraham after the Spirit. While the woman herself is Israel; the seed of Abraham after the flesh.

Its not so hard.

Shalom

So the offspring of the woman is no more the Gentile Church. It is now both Jew and Gentile Church.

Just like you made Elijah a demon and also a covenant mediator.

Well done with your demonic doctrines which are not written in the bible.

ayoku777:


There is also no verse in the bible that categorically says abortion is a sin. But scriptural antecedents show that a baby in the womb already has an identity and destiny with God (as with Jeremiah). So abortion is murder and termination of destiny.

So also, there are no verses that categorically says, dead saints in heaven cannot appear to saints on earth. But scriptural antecedents show that saints in heaven are not messenger angels or mediators of the new covenant.

So any appearance claiming to be any dead saint is contrary to scriptural truths; and are therefore not of God. They are demonic.

Shalom

scriptural antecedence show that saints appear on earth. E.g Elijah, Moses, Matt 26 saints, Mary in Rev 12.

italo:


So the offspring of the woman is no more the Gentile Church. It is now both Jew and Gentile Church.

Just like you made Elijah a demon and also a covenant mediator.

Well done with your demonic doctrines which are not written in the bible.

Obviously you've run out of intelligent scriptural replies, you're now trying to argue semantics and terminologies.

Anyone with a brain, knows church is church; whether gentile or jewish. I used gentile church for specification, and to differentiate it from the jewish nation.

But if you were not being sinister, you would have known that even the "gentile" church includes jews who believe in Christ; because church of God is church of God.

And I repeat, the appearance of Elijah at transfiguration is not demonic because it has a valid scriptural justification.

But any such appearance now of a dead saint from heaven appearing to saints on earth, has no scriptural justification and can only be a demonic stunt to deceive the gullible.

Shalom

italo:
scriptural antecedence show that saints appear on earth. E.g Elijah, Moses, Matt 26 saints, Mary in Rev 12.

Elijah and Moses - appeared as covenant mediators of the old covenant (the law and the prophets). Of which they are no more mediators. They can't appear to anyone as that anymore.

Matthew 26 saints - didn't appear from heaven, they were yet to ascend and were seen of many when they came out of their graves and appeared in the city. They are in heaven now; and won't be seen again until resurrection.

Rev 12 -that was not Mary. It was not mary that was persecuted after the ascension of Christ. Mary was not given wings to fly into the wilderness. That woman was symbolic of the nation of Israel and her experience under the satan-controlled roman empire after Christ's ascension.

Shalom

ayoku777:


Obviously you've run out of intelligent scriptural replies, you're now trying to argue semantics and terminologies.

Anyone with a brain, knows church is church; whether gentile or jewish. I used gentile church for specification, and to differentiate it from the jewish nation.

But if you were not being sinister, you would have known that even the "gentile" church includes jews who believe in Christ; because church of God is church of God.

And I repeat, the appearance of Elijah at transfiguration is not demonic because it has a valid scriptural justification.

But any such appearance now of a dead saint from heaven appearing to saints on earth, has no scriptural justification and can only be a demonic stunt to deceive the gullible.

Shalom

Keep going round in circles.

Gentile now means Gentile+Jewish.

After we busted your error.

Well done.

Meanwhile, is Israel the only country that can appear in the sky...or can Nigeria also appear?

italo:


Keep going round in circles.

Gentile now means Gentile+Jewish.

After we busted your error.

Well done.

Meanwhile, is Israel the only country that can appear in the sky...or can Nigeria also appear?

What part of "symbolic" vision don't you understand? The appearance was not physical it was a spiritual vision and John saw them as symbolic representation.

Do you think the four horsemen were physically seen on earth the way it appeared to John?

Do you think the angels blowing the seven trumpets were physically seen in the sky the way it appeared to John in the vision?

Do you think the angels pouring the wrath of God were physically seen on earth the way it appeared to John in the vision?

The vision of Rev 12 appeared as a vision to John with symbolic representation about Israel and the church under the roman empire etc.

Its not Mary, or any dead saint. Its not a physical appearing either.

Shalom

ayoku777:


Elijah and Moses - appeared as covenant mediators of the old covenant (the law and the prophets). Of which they are no more mediators. They can't appear to anyone as that anymore.



Matthew 26 saints - didn't appear from heaven, they were yet to ascend and were seen of many when they came out of their graves and appeared in the city. They are in heaven now; and won't be seen again until resurrection.



Rev 12 -that was not Mary. It was not mary that was persecuted after the ascension of Christ. Mary was not given wings to fly into the wilderness. That woman was symbolic of the nation of Israel and her experience under the satan-controlled roman empire after Christ's ascension.

Shalom

Bible never said the bold.

Away with your demonic doctrine.

ayoku777:


What part of "symbolic" vision don't you understand? The appearance was not physical it was a spiritual vision and John saw them as symbolic representation.

Do you think the four horsemen were physically seen on earth the way it appeared to John?

Do you think the angels blowing the seven trumpets were physically seen in the sky the way it appeared to John in the vision?

Do you think the angels pouring the wrath of God were physically seen on earth the way it appeared to John in the vision?

The vision of Rev 12 appeared as a vision to John with symbolic representation about Israel and the church under the roman empire etc.

Its not Mary, or any dead saint. Its not a physical appearing either.

Shalom

Where did the bible say it wasn't physical?

Which chapter and verse?

italo:


Where did the bible say it wasn't physical?

Which chapter and verse?

Rev 4v1-2 -After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

See that? John saw it in the Spirit. The vision was a spiritual vision, with symbolic representation for what was to come.

The four horsemen, the angels of the seven trumpets, and the woman of Rev 12, were all seen spiritually by John. They were not physical appearance.

Ofcourse, they all represent physical realities or that their actions will cause physical events. But the angels and the woman were not seen physically.

It was a spiritual vision.

Shalom

ayoku777:


Rev 4v1-2 -After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

See that? John saw it in the Spirit. The vision was a spiritual vision, with symbolic representation for what was to come.

The four horsemen, the angels of the seven trumpets, and the woman of Rev 12, were all seen spiritually by John. They were not physical appearance.

Ofcourse, they all represent physical realities or that their actions will cause physical events. But the angels and the woman were not seen physically.

It was a spiritual vision.

Shalom

Those who have claimed to see Marian apparitions have also claimed to be in the spirit.

Is it okay then?

italo:


Those who have claimed to see Marian apparitions have also claimed to be in the spirit.

Is it okay then?

"In the spirit" like those in Kaduna were abi? They must have been "in the same spirit" like Simon the socerer, or the girl with the spirit of divination, or like Bar Jesus the magician.

There are plenty spirits. So you may be right. Such people were in the "spirit". Even those who saw their dead grandfather were in the "spirit".

Appearance of Mary! Sent as what? By whom? For what? What relevance is she to the new covenant, other than she was saved by it like everyone else? Hmmm, smh

Shalom

Appleyard:
Heheheheheh Am about opening a thread on the lying and deceptive demon called mary. She was never, and would never be mary. And u very correct on catholic and Islam. Do u know Islam was originally created by the roman catholic in the old? . Dont worry, we shall soon start the exposition.

we will welcome it.

Imoy:


I am not doubting the fact that God can't make mary appear in kaduna.

And as for the verse; are u seriously asking me that question? Anyway I will take it as u dnt study the bible deeply (I won't blame u, cos even me to don't)

Here is it

Mathew 24:5

"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am
Christ; and shall deceive many."

Matthew 7:22-23
"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did
we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity".

So bro, like I said earlier, read ur bible, follow the instructions religiously, don't allow anybody deciev you that he is christ or mary.

God bless u.

Now someone asking u to draw closer to Christ is now a false angel, wait are u sure u aren't just a bench warmer

ayoku777:


"In the spirit" like those in Kaduna were abi? They must have been "in the same spirit" like Simon the socerer, or the girl with the spirit of divination, or like Bar Jesus the magician.

There are plenty spirits. So you may be right. Such people were in the "spirit". Even those who saw their dead grandfather were in the "spirit".

Appearance of Mary! Sent as what? By whom? For what? What relevance is she to the new covenant, other than she was saved by it like everyone else? Hmmm, smh

Shalom

Sent as the mother of God, the Ark that bore Jesus the New Covenant in her womb maybe.

Some of those who saw her claim to be in the Spirit like Elizabeth when she saw Mary.

All those spirits you mentioned...are they the ones that are teaching you these devilish doctrines?

italo:


Sent as the mother of God, the Ark that bore Jesus the New Covenant in her womb maybe.

Some of those who saw her claim to be in the Spirit like Elizabeth when she saw Mary.

All those spirits you mentioned...are they the ones that are teaching you these devilish doctrines?

Funny! You must be a comedian.

Actually those demons are the ones appearing and pretending to be Mary.

Honestly, this discussion is no more intelligent to me. God bless!

Shalom.

ayoku777:


Funny! You must be a comedian.

Actually those demons are the ones appearing and pretending to be Mary.

Honestly, this discussion is no more intelligent to me. God bless!

Shalom.

. How do you know?

You seem to have a personal relationship with the demons.

italo:
. How do you know?
You seem to have a personal relationship with the demons.

God bless you

ayoku777:


God bless you

God help you.

italo:
God help you.

Amen. And you too. Thanks!

All u protestants from all I have witnessed about u all u are like a bunch of sheep who know not their shepherd, gen 1:2 God Himself moved over the waters, meaning present on earth, gen 3:8 God walked in the presence of man even when they have sinned, meaning God still relates with earth.

Jesus went to the top of a high mountain transfixed and Moses and Elijah came to him mk 9:2-4 meaning heaven still relates with earth physically.

Now my main issh is dat why do u protestants claim all these are lies, because u doubt the very existence of God communicating with us humans via people, except u will say that God has abandoned us.

Appleyard:
Mary did not appear anywhere! So-called Mary is a demon decieving people with appearance here and there. We know her to be fake because Mary had no Biblical role to play in the scheme of things nor in event pertaining to the end time!

Just another enticing and seducing spirit decieving and operating an unsuspecting church.

So-called holy mary decieving people since Eons!

May God Have mercy on You..

Eminentsaint:
That's not the real video. The real video has not been uploaded yet. I live in Kaduna.

4 real ? wow...

Glory to Jesus.... Honor To ...

Austin4lif:
I was there live, I saw it. I also saw miracles taking place in same place. Jesus is lord and my faith in the roman Catholic church is strengthened.

wow