Empiree:
^^ VEX vs BAQIR part..............20, perhaps?

AlBaqir:
Salam alaykum.

AlBaqir:
^What we are discussing here is Saudi not being able to lift up to their responsibilities. While you turn your back on series of eye-witness reports that clearly exposed the carelessness and mismanagement of the Saudi, you choose to wait for their "sahih" reports after their "transparent" investigations to the deadly matter. Then I need to remind you that nothing good comes out of NAJD except fitnah. One of your brother, Demmzy15, is somehow so pained with that because of his grand sheik. He choose to defend what is not defendable.

So where did I derail the flow of this thread?

You are the one going from pillar to post because of your personal problems with Iran and its leader who is so responsible and passionate about every single soul of his citizens. Now former Iraqi prime minister is your next target. Bro, you've lost it. Again if you don't have anything to post, kindly follow the prophet's advice of keeping mute.

vedaxcool:


Sorry you Iran leader is irresponsible and in Obama words a politician not a spiritual leader, who uses rhetoric to fool people like you and lagoshia in achieving his political quest.

AlBaqir:
@Demmzy15, more ahadith to wet your appetite:

The Prophet had proven "NAJD" and "IRAQ" to be separate places

Sahih Muslim Book 007, Number 2666:
Abu Zubair heard Jabir b. Abdullah as saying as he was asked about (the place for entering upon the) state of Ihram: I heard (and I think he carried it directly to the Apostle of Allah) him saying: For the people of Medina, Dhu'l-Hulaifa is the place for entering upon the state of Ihram, and for (the people coming through the other way, i.e Syria) it is Juhfa; for the people of IRAQ it is Dhat al-'Irq; for the people of NAJD it is Qarn (al-Manazil) and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.

Sunnan an-Nasai, Hadith No. 2657: Chapter 22 - The Miqat of the people of Iraq:

It was narrated that 'Aisha said: "The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) designated Dhul-Hulaifah as the Miqat for the people of Al-Madinah, al-Juhfa for the people of Ash-Sham and Egypt, Dhat 'Irq for the people of Al-Iraq, Qarn for the people of NAJD and Yalamlam for the people of Yemen.

LagosShia:


so Iraq is the only "elevated" land relative to Medinah?

Which other one?!

and who says it must be to the east? and if it is to the east, is Iraq to the east of Medinah or to the north? and "najduna" is possessive; meaning "our najd". how does iraq becomes the possession of arabs in the times of the Prophet (s)?

LagosShia:


we have someone to "fool" us, and a number his type who also "fool" our likes. do you have "anyone" to guide you? may be Obama?

should i remind you of this:
https://www.nairaland.com/981940/vedaxcool-please-answer-sunni-imam

LagosShia:

[s]
your life is very sad and your ideology really fits your character.

you keep deceiving yourself. did the former PM of Iraq say Karbala should become "the Qibla", in the sense of replacing the Ka'ba? No!

if you know a bit of arabic you will understand what he said. what is the meaning of "qibla"? "qibla" means "direction, a destination you move towards". "qibla" is an arabic word that has a meaning, a literal meaning. when used literally, it doesnt mean Makkah or the holy Ka'bah. he said "Karbala should be a qibla for the Islamic world" and not "the qibla". he did not use the arabic article of "al", which is the equivalent of "the". he meant Karbala should be a destination for the Islamic world when things are improved. he then went on to mention "the Qibla" which we face in the five daily prayers (i.e. the Ka'bah/Makkah).

such deception is very filthy.[/s]

AlBaqir:

Oh! You thought its a season film! Am afraid its not. And absolutely on my part, no fight or ill-feelings. In fact the guy had once severally used "la'anatullah alahi" for Imam Khomeini. I don't even move an inch in retaliation. Ibn Taymiyyah has done worse for Imam Ali in his Minhaj al-Sunnah. So using vulgar language, fighting dirty, derailing etc are perfect example of the Wahhabi mentality. Mine is to dialogue with anybody in line with the Quranic injuction {Call unto the way of your Lord with wisdom and good manners; and argue with them in the best way...}.

Salam alaykum.

Empiree:
@Demmzy15, i disagree with you, sir. There is currently an attempt to divert attention of muslims from Najd referred to by the prophet(SAW). Now, my contribution on this is not in any way meant to blame Saudi authority for recent incident. I do not hold them deliberately responsible unless and until firm evidence suggests otherwise. I already drafted my opinion on this stampede incident here https://www.nairaland.com/2624196/see-whos-responsible-hajj-stampede#down

Where Is Najd?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbHymIJWMfA