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When I see this pic it reminds me of Goma, South African base and Nyiragongo mountain. I really miss that lake where we used to make rounds with sappers boat.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2924935_135jp_jpeg77628faa5cda5bb0b73d706f5873e2be

agaugust:
You mean like this.... ? .

LOL!!

Henry120:
LOL!!

Are you laughing about a man whose pic was taken in South Africa?

FighterPilot:
Risk free area.

The Nigerian troops too were in a risk free area.

Equation balanced.

FighterPilot:
Are you laughing about a man whose pic was taken in South Africa?

Prove it

Lezzlie:
BIG FAT LIE!!!
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1)if ACIRC was formed to integrate into ASF. If it were so ,why this comment: Critics are also concerned that the ACIRC may draw attention away and undermine the investment that has been put into launching the ASF. If the AU has been unable to agree on a standby force for more than a decade it remains doubtful it would be possible to organise a more complex and costly rapid reaction force since the fundamentals are not very different for both of these forces.

3) You deserve to be banned for life. you're a disgrace to online debate . Boring, tactless troll. Read here : In 2003, the AU finalized plans for a rapid reaction unit, the African Standby Force (ASF), that could be deployed around the continent in the event of “grave circumstances.” Yet today, only three of five African regions – Western, Southern, and Eastern Africa – have their brigades ready to deploy .

file:///storage/emulated/0/UCDownloads/What%20to%20Expect%20from%20the%20African%20Union%20Summit%20%C2%AB%20Africa%20in%20Transit.mht

2) I skipped number 2 because it's not under contention. You're saying the same endless repetition.

4) South Africa isn't the only contributor read this: The ACIRC is a 'coalition of the willing'. Contributions and participation are voluntary and countries will be using their own troops and money when called upon to respond to future missions under the aegis of the ACIRC. South Africa isn't even buoyant enough to fulfil its own contribution. Sandf begging for funds as I type this.

file:///storage/emulated/0/UCDownloads/Africa%20Watch.mht

5) ACIRC IS A STUPID DUPLICITY ONLY A NOVICE COUNTRY LIKE SOUTH AFRICAN CAN DO: ACIRC will continue to play its part - at least on paper - until the Rapid Deployment Capability is up and running, the ISS PSC Report suggests. 'As soon as the ASF can operationalise its own Rapid Deployment Capability, ACIRC will have served its purpose and is likely to be dismantled,' it concludes. An honourable discharge, no doubt, for saving, if not lives, then at least face.

Written by Peter Fabricius, ISS Consultant

Lastly :

“The big challenge and this is the big irony is that SA which is championing ACIRC doesn’t really have the capability to support ACIRC… There’s a disjuncture between the capabilities that SA has and its ambition,” said Jakkie Cilliers, executive director of the Institute for Security Studies.
http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-01-14-playing-the-african-statesman-with-teeth-is-president-zumas-new-fighting-force-such-a-good-idea/#.VhFp4Zgo8uo[/s]

3 sources that blow your entire argument out of the water:

The ACIRC will serve as an interim measure ahead of the establishment of a permanent African Standby Force, which was originally expected to be operational by 2015. Zuma proposed the concept of the ACIRC at last year's African Union (AU) summit in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, where the proposal was endorsed.
http://www.southafrica.info/news/international/au-270614.htm#.VgqjuHqqqko#ixzz3n8g95ofl



Bah told delegates the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises (ACIRC) would become part of the ASF. This means ACIRC, which SA Army Chief Lieutenant General Vusi Masondo said would be operational this month, effectively has a shelf life of six months if the December 2015 deadline for operationalisation is adhered to.

-DefenceWeb

And, ACRIC is supported by Africa's big dogs

In May last year, South Africa, Ethiopia and Uganda were the first support the initiative and pledged to provide troops should the need arise.
http://www.southafrica.info/news/international/au-270614.htm#.VgqjuHqqqko#ixzz3necoHMsF



ACRIC = ASF

ACRIC is not an alternate system, it is "an interim measure ahead of the establishment of a permanent ASF" and will be integrated once the ASF is operationalized this year.

With regards to your "dont have the men or money for ACRIC' - $400million and 1500 men say otherwise

All we have here is a little boy who doesnt understand ACRIC but doesnt like it because yet again, South Africa has put its money where its mouth is and Nigeria cowers in its shadow.... we have pulled of something, we have created something, while Nigeria does nothing but resists just for the sake of resisting, because Nigerians are an irrational and emotional people... now hurry up and send your boys to our Battle school so that we may train you!

Patchesagain:
Who says they are mounting a checkpoint?

Maybe they are walking to the spaza shop to buy a box of smokes?

Maybe they are standing there because thats where they get cellphone reception?

Maybe they just like standing there?

Unless you provide context you cannot draw any inferences from the picture

oh look at you. You are just so cute when you are on the defensive.

agaugust:
Prove it

That is in SA my friend. Google search the picture and you will see that the pic was used by various sources to write different articles about SANDF. I hundred percent certain this picture was taken from home.


That pic was taken in Musina, South Africa in the borders of SA and Zimbabwe. You can even look at the background.

http://m.irinnews.org/report/89262/south-africa-troops-reinforcing-a-porous-and-dangerous-border#.VhILi_lBtAg

The reserves which fell by $940m (N185 billion), about two weeks ago, has fallen again by $210m, CBN latest data have revealed.
The reserves now stand at $30.48 billion, a fall from $30.69 billion two weeks ago, and $31.47 million a month earlier.
Though the reserves fell by 3.14 percent by the month, 23.03 percent depletion has been recorded, relative to the September 2014 figures.

The central bank has used the reserves to support the local currency, selling dollars to bureau de change operators twice a week, as it narrows the gap between the official and black market rates.
The reserves crossed the $30 billion mark in July, when it saw an increment of 5.6 percent from $29.03 billion in June, to $30.69 billion.

In August, the CBN indicated that foreign exchange reserves rose by $350 million (N70 billion) to $31.43 billion, but has since then fallen twice, with no succour in view.

http://dailymail.com.ng/nigerias-foreign-exchange-reserves-have-fallen-again/

MY Point where would the money come from for the entire revambing of the Nigerian Military. Last years many Nairas boosted about procuring 40 Second Hand Chinook Helicopters....Russian attack helicopters.....Submarines....Stealth Frigates....Chinese fighter aircrafts etc @AUGUSTUS WAS BOOSTING SINCE 2010....BUT UNTIL NOW NOTHING

SANDF

There are strong indications that the ongoing military operations against insurgents in the North-East may have been seriously hampered by lack of modern military hardware and the prevalence of aging equipment in the Armed Forces.

It was learnt that the military had been faced with the difficult challenge of using mostly refurbished military hardware in the critical campaign against the deadly members of the Boko Haram sect.

A good number of the military hardware in the country such as the Armoured Personnel Carriers, the Alpha Fighter Jets, the MIG Fighter Jets and the Helicopter gunships that were being used in the ongoing fight against the insurgents were acquired between 1979 and 1982 by the Alhaji Shehu Shagari regime.

A senior military source, on the condition of anonymity, said on Thursday that the successive military administrations that took over the governance of the country did not pay adequate attention to the importation of military tanks, fighter jets, helicopter gunships, APCs and other hardware.

It was further learnt that the situation persisted from 1999 under President Olusegun Obasanjo to the Goodluck Jonathan administration. It was gathered that Shagari had obtained the hardware to position the Nigerian Army as a force in the sub region.

The correspondent gathered that a good number of the APCs deployed during critical military operations against the Boko Haram insurgents had either failed to fire or had broken down in the middle of action.

https://www.naij.com/59995.html

SANDF

Thiza:
There are strong indications that the ongoing military operations against insurgents in the North-East may have been seriously hampered by lack of modern military hardware and the prevalence of aging equipment in the Armed Forces.

It was learnt that the military had been faced with the difficult challenge of using mostly refurbished military hardware in the critical campaign against the deadly members of the Boko Haram sect.

A good number of the military hardware in the country such as the Armoured Personnel Carriers, the Alpha Fighter Jets, the MIG Fighter Jets and the Helicopter gunships that were being used in the ongoing fight against the insurgents were acquired between 1979 and 1982 by the Alhaji Shehu Shagari regime.

A senior military source, on the condition of anonymity, said on Thursday that the successive military administrations that took over the governance of the country did not pay adequate attention to the importation of military tanks, fighter jets, helicopter gunships, APCs and other hardware.

It was further learnt that the situation persisted from 1999 under President Olusegun Obasanjo to the Goodluck Jonathan administration. It was gathered that Shagari had obtained the hardware to position the Nigerian Army as a force in the sub region.

The correspondent gathered that a good number of the APCs deployed during critical military operations against the Boko Haram insurgents had either failed to fire or had broken down in the middle of action.

https://www.naij.com/59995.html

Did you you check the date on the link you posted?

Am sure you don't know how old it is.

It's over a year dummy.

Stop misleading people on this thread

Thiza:
The reserves which fell by $940m (N185 billion), about two weeks ago, has fallen again by $210m, CBN latest data have revealed.
The reserves now stand at $30.48 billion, a fall from $30.69 billion two weeks ago, and $31.47 million a month earlier.
Though the reserves fell by 3.14 percent by the month, 23.03 percent depletion has been recorded, relative to the September 2014 figures.

The central bank has used the reserves to support the local currency, selling dollars to bureau de change operators twice a week, as it narrows the gap between the official and black market rates.
The reserves crossed the $30 billion mark in July, when it saw an increment of 5.6 percent from $29.03 billion in June, to $30.69 billion.

In August, the CBN indicated that foreign exchange reserves rose by $350 million (N70 billion) to $31.43 billion, but has since then fallen twice, with no succour in view.

http://dailymail.com.ng/nigerias-foreign-exchange-reserves-have-fallen-again/

Please can you post a recent link on SA external reserve too and debt. So that we can compare them.

Nigerian designer footwear company FFW(Fred Foot Wear) produces 12000 shoes monthly,144000 shoes yearly in South Africa; exports to Malawi and Lesotho.
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http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2015/10/04/nigerian-firm-produces-12000-shoes-monthly-in-south-africa/
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Another Nigerian company in SA,dominating their designer footwear industry and providing quality shoes for thousands of shoeless southies monthly.
They drink chilled beer and soft drinks from Nigerian cans,put on Nigerian shoes,wear Nigerian clothes,use Nigerian furnitures in their dingy apartments,abeg,what exactly do the southies own?.
All I see is South Africa being fed,clothed and sheltered by Nigerian firms!.

South African coy scams Nigerian company of $8000 ! !
.
http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2015/10/03/nigerian-firm-accuses-south-african-coy-of-8000-fraud/
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Another thieving southie coy

TRANSPARENCY ORGANISATIONS!!,are you taking note of these events?! ! ! !

Later they will come and say Nigerians are scammers,typical "when in doubt,blame the nigerians" mentality.

Patchesagain:
3 sources that blow your entire argument out of the water:

The ACIRC will serve as an interim measure ahead of the establishment of a permanent African Standby Force, which was originally expected to be operational by 2015. Zuma proposed the concept of the ACIRC at last year's African Union (AU) summit in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, where the proposal was endorsed.
http://www.southafrica.info/news/international/au-270614.htm#.VgqjuHqqqko#ixzz3n8g95ofl



Bah told delegates the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises (ACIRC) would become part of the ASF. This means ACIRC, which SA Army Chief Lieutenant General Vusi Masondo said would be operational this month, effectively has a shelf life of six months if the December 2015 deadline for operationalisation is adhered to.

-DefenceWeb

And, ACRIC is supported by Africa's big dogs

In May last year, South Africa, Ethiopia and Uganda were the first support the initiative and pledged to provide troops should the need arise.
http://www.southafrica.info/news/international/au-270614.htm#.VgqjuHqqqko#ixzz3necoHMsF



ACRIC = ASF

ACRIC is not an alternate system, it is "an interim measure ahead of the establishment of a permanent ASF" and will be integrated once the ASF is operationalized this year.

With regards to your "dont have the men or money for ACRIC' - $400million and 1500 men say otherwise

All we have here is a little boy who doesnt understand ACRIC but doesnt like it because yet again, South Africa has put its money where its mouth is and Nigeria cowers in its shadow.... we have pulled of something, we have created something, while Nigeria does nothing but resists just for the sake of resisting, because Nigerians are an irrational and emotional people... now hurry up and send your boys to our Battle school so that we may train you!

Now you're shifting the goal post. In your last post you claimed integration of ACIRC has been on the plan since the beginning. Yet again you contradict yourself up there by saying ACIRC is only serving as an interim measure. Seems you're as confused as usual,boy Patrick.


And please south Africa is training no one. What is happening is a military exercise training which originally was billed to take place in Lesotho before shifting to south Africa due to crisis in that country.

What a petty, desperate glory-bandit you are!!!

Here's a cardinal reason ACIRC can't be integrated into ASF.

The ASF isn't an African force by the true sense of the word. It is a regional army grouping made up of ECOWAS and other economic communities of Africa under funding by the AU. It can only be deployed by AU under the approval of the region whose troops will be used.

So the southern African countries troops is still separate fromantic that of East Africa or ECOWAS; and they converge as separate formation in the training exercise.

So how will ACIRC be integrated into ASF which is comprised of the 5 regional armies of Africa?

Patrick the dullard. The best scenery is ACIRC will be morphed into the southern African development community as part of its formation of ASF. This is the fact you have been trying desperately to confuse in your usual obscure argument. Shame on you.


Your selective amnesia conveniently omitted this remarks from the ASF meeting in July 7th this year:

Delegates to the three day event also heard that ASF will "not be an African army". Explaining the ASF Colonel Cheik Dembele said it would comprise elements from the various economic communities on the continent.

About 4,000 troops from groupings including SADC, as hosts; ECCAS (Economic Community of Central African States), ECOWAS (Economic Community of West African States), NARC (North African Regional Capability) and EASF (Eastern Africa Standby Force) will move onto the training areas at Lohathla in Northern Cape for the exercise which starts on October 19 and ends on November 7.


Let me close this circle of argument with this excerpt that one again shows than Nigeria is always a bigger brother tho south Africa. Enjoy:
[b]
Champions of the ACIRC were disappointed by the response from other member states. The resolution calls for countries to be ‘encouraged to volunteer capabilities’. Perhaps the biggest loss to the cause is Nigeria. Initially supportive of South Africa’s plan, President Goodluck Jonathan changed tack and called for tight controls by the AU Peace and Security Council on the force’s deployment and mandate. A proposal that the force be independent of the AU Commission with independent command was also defeated in debate. Opponents argued that the AU constitution gives the PSC final responsibility for security on the continent: it will determine where and when the force is used.

The diplomatic problems don’t stop there. Sceptics also worry that the force could divert attention from the long-running attempts to establish a much bigger African Standby Force, with several battalions of peacekeepers to serve in AU operations across Africa. First mooted in the 1990s, this force was meant to start work in a year’s time. A committee led by Nigerian former Foreign Minister Ibrahim Gambari reported that preparations were well behind schedule. The Standby Force also needs money and troops over a fixed period and with an agreed budget. By comparison, the ACIRC is like a volunteer army but leaner and meaner.
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You have seen that your own press are always eager of the opinion of Nigeria; it can make or mar south Africa.

Take a break now and heal your broken soul. You have been out fact yet again. I have not quoted any source from Nigeria. All are from your own press. Are you indicting dozens of your own press because they exposed your vulnerability and weakness?

Heal yourself, Patrick.

Patchesagain:
Nope

Sub will dive

Shaldag will be left holding its di.ck doing nothing

mumu shaldag has depth charge.

FighterPilot:
That is in SA my friend. Google search the picture and you will see that the pic was used by various sources to write different articles about SANDF. I hundred percent certain this picture was taken from home.


That pic was taken in Musina, South Africa in the borders of SA and Zimbabwe. You can even look at the background.

http://m.irinnews.org/report/89262/south-africa-troops-reinforcing-a-porous-and-dangerous-border#.VhILi_lBtAg

You just made it worse !

The headline of the photo boldly says "SOUTH AFRICA: Troops reinforcing a porous and dangerous border".

Meaning your SANDF soldier was in a risky operation in a dangerous high risk zone with NO helmet NO body armour NO extra bullets just one mag NO webbings NO pouches NO kit at all

SANDF is a rag tag army as confirmed by you ! Thanks
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agaugust:
You just made it worse !

The headline of the photo boldly says "SOUTH AFRICA: Troops reinforcing a porous and dangerous border".

Meaning your SANDF soldier was in a risky operation in a dangerous high risk zone with NO helmet NO body armour NO extra bullets just one mag NO webbings NO pouches NO kit at all

SANDF is a rag tag army as confirmed by you ! Thanks
.

Bwahahahajaa…

The border is not as dangerous as in the sense of borders between Cameroon and Nigeria or Niger and Chad. The borders were dangerous only in the sense of rape against Zbabwean women. Will rapists ever attack military? Nope.

That is exactly in Musina, the border town between SA and Zim. I am very very familiar with South African terrain from Limpopo to the cape.

That pic was taken in a safe SA and am 100% sure.

Thiza:
MY Point where would the money come from for the entire revambing of the Nigerian Military. Last years many Nairas boosted about procuring 40 Second Hand Chinook Helicopters....Russian attack helicopters.....Submarines....Stealth Frigates....Chinese fighter aircrafts etc @AUGUSTUS WAS BOOSTING SINCE 2010....BUT UNTIL NOW NOTHING

NOTHING? You drank palm wine early Monday morning before brushing your teeth?

40 new Mi-35 and M-171 combat helicopters, T-72 tanks, BTR-4 IFV, RM-70 Rocket artillery, BVP-1 IFV, BTR-80 IFV, many hundreds of MRAPs and LAVs, dozens of armed Eurocopter helicopters, NNS Centenary stealth OPV, missile arned drones, Falcon Eye naval surveillance systems, all delivered in one year, and NNS Unity stealth OPV, 6 Su-25 Frogfoot attack jet fighters on the way....you call that NOTHING ?

Show us what SANDF acquired in the last 2 years and compare
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FighterPilot:
That is exactly in Musina, the border town between SA and Zim. I am very very familiar with South African terrain from Limpopo to the cape.

That pic was taken in a safe SA and am 100% sure.

Why should I believe you when your own source says you are wrong, you think we are kids here?

agaugust:
Why should I believe you when your own source says you are wrong, you think we are kids here?

My source never proved me wrong? Look at the first word of the article. MUSINA.

This is what the source say.


Two companies of Parabats - elite South African paratroopers deployed in recent years to Sudan, DRC and Burundi as peacekeepers - have arrived at a highly porous border in the first phase of a deployment that will see soldiers from various units return to all South Africa's land borders in the next few years.

FighterPilot:
My source never proved me wrong? Look at the first word of the article. MUSINA.

This is what the source say.


Two companies of Parabats - elite South African paratroopers deployed in recent years to Sudan, DRC and Burundi as peacekeepers - have arrived at a highly porous border in the first phase of a deployment that will see soldiers from various units return to all South Africa's land borders in the next few years.

We don't care about the name of the place Musina or whatever place, all we care about is that your very own source says boldly :

The headline of the photo boldly says "SOUTH AFRICA: Troops reinforcing a porous and dangerous border".

Your rag tag SANDF soldier was operating in dangerous battle zone wearing ZERO kit and ONLY one mag no extra bullets, he looks like a Congolese rag tag rebel .

Case Closed.

agaugust:
NOTHING? You drank palm wine early Monday morning before brushing your teeth?

40 new Mi-35 and M-171 combat helicopters, T-72 tanks, BTR-4 IFV, RM-70 Rocket artillery, BVP-1 IFV, dozens of armed Eurocopter helicopters, NNS Centenary stealth OPV all delivered in one year, and 6 Su-25 Frogfoot attack jet fighters on way....you call that NOTHING ?

Show us what SANDF acquired in the last 2 years and compare
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Bragging about tiny acquisitions

Why 2 years? Lets make it 15!

26 Gripen
24 Hawk
4 Valour Class
3 Heroin Class
17 Exocet missiles
320 MILAN ATGM's
80 SUT torpedoes
25 IRIS-T
10 Litening targetting pods
30 A109 Augusta
2 PAGE Air search radar
1 Kondor-E Surveillance satellite
236 Badger ICV ($1,2 billion dollar deal - a significant portion of your entire military budget)
170 Starstreak missiles
4 Lynx
50 Paveway JDAM's

and this is only SIPRI based imports, it excludes, Umbani JDAM, Sky-Guard CRAM upgrade, GBADS phase 3, Seeker 400 etc etc etc

This is us in peacetime

agaugust:
[s]We don't care about the name of the place Musina or whatever place, all we care about is that your very own source says boldly :

The headline of the photo boldly says "SOUTH AFRICA: Troops reinforcing a porous and dangerous border".

Your rag tag SANDF soldier was operating in dangerous battle zone wearing ZERO kit and ONLY one mag no extra bullets, he looks like a Congolese rag tag rebel .

Case Closed.[/s]

Is border policing a combat deployment?

Are they fighting against heavy weapons, an organzied foe etc?

They are walking along a fence and turning back illegal immigrants

EVarn:
South African coy scams Nigerian company of $8000 ! !
.
http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2015/10/03/nigerian-firm-accuses-south-african-coy-of-8000-fraud/
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Another thieving southie coy

TRANSPARENCY ORGANISATIONS!!,are you taking note of these events?! ! ! !

Later they will come and say Nigerians are scammers,typical "when in doubt,blame the nigerians" mentality.

Why am I smelling Johannesburg based Nigerians have knocked their own brothers back home.

FighterPilot:
Why am I smelling Johannesburg based Nigerians have knocked their own brothers back home.

Your comment is devoid of substance,do you have proof to back up your claim?
continue smelling till your nose get clogged full of lies and jealousy.

EVarn:
Your comment is devoid of substance,do you have proof to back up your claim?
continue smelling till your nose get clogged full of lies and jealousy.

Nobody can ever deny that most of the 419 scams in SA are championed by Nigerian nationals. Your unfortunate businessman caught up with his brothers in diaspora and they duped him big time.

Nigerian man sentenced 20years in SA for conning Saudi Arabian under pretext of being SA company selling gold.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2011/03/04/nigerian-sentenced-to-20-years-for-419-scam

Patchesagain:
Bragging about tiny acquisitions

Why 2 years? Lets make it 15!

26 Gripen
24 Hawk
4 Valour Class
3 Heroin Class
17 Exocet missiles
320 MILAN ATGM's
80 SUT torpedoes
25 IRIS-T
10 Litening targetting pods
30 A109 Augusta
2 PAGE Air search radar
1 Kondor-E Surveillance satellite
236 Badger ICV ($1,2 billion dollar deal - a significant portion of your entire military budget)
170 Starstreak missiles
4 Lynx
50 Paveway JDAM's

and this is only SIPRI based imports, it excludes, Umbani JDAM, Sky-Guard CRAM upgrade, GBADS phase 3, Seeker 400 etc etc etc

This is us in peacetime

Use your brain when you jump into other people's arguments, THIZA was referring to Nigerian procurement in the face of current economic situation from 2014-2015, that's a two year period you dummy, we are comparing who has cash to buy things as at now in recent years, not 15 years ago you mörön.

Learn to answer questions within context.

Show us a list of current South African equipment purchases 2014-2015 so we can laugh at your tiny acquisitions due to your financial problems.

I too can start listing Nigeria's peace time procurement of 15 years ago including F-7 jets, Mi-24 helicopters, AW 109 helicopters, ATR-42 Surveyors, Diamond D42, G-222 aircraft, Beechcraft ISTAR aircraft, Cobra, VBL, BTR-3, Palmaria artillery, space satellites, coastal radars, about 300 navy vessels in one swoop, etc

What's the use repeating old data that everybody already knows? You have kolomental problem that makes your brain enjoy moving backwards in reverse gear everytime on this forum?