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agaugust:
Bwahahaha

You call me fake military researcher? You wannabe air force man, your own comment just proved me right.

The VBL is a...

1. Rapid Deployment/Reaction vehicle
2. Reconnaissance vehicle
3. Parachute deployable vehicle

"The Panhard VBL armored scout car was intended for French Rapid Reaction forces. "

http://www.military-today.com/apc/vbl.htm

"VBL Light Armoured Reconnaissance Vehicle. "

http://www.casr.ca/bg-army-larv-project.htm

VBL deployed by parachute in time band 1:08 minute of video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES1XUobXqr4



So according to your own argument those are the 3 things that makes up a special forces vehicle and the Nigerian VBL is qualified 100%

I hang your SAAF air force officers blue uniform on an Iroko tree in a Nigerian forest, you need prayer warriors to help you get your military uniform back from that tree top, Iroko spirit-man no go gree, unless you take am by girigi
.

light
air-mobile
maneuverable
low-battlefeild signature
heavily armed

VBL is not an SF platform, end of story

agaugust:
Bwahahaha

You call me fake military researcher? You wannabe air force man, your own comment just proved me right.

The VBL is a...

1. Rapid Deployment/Reaction vehicle
2. Reconnaissance vehicle
3. Parachute deployable vehicle

"The Panhard VBL armored scout car was intended for French Rapid Reaction forces. "

http://www.military-today.com/apc/vbl.htm

"VBL Light Armoured Reconnaissance Vehicle. "

http://www.casr.ca/bg-army-larv-project.htm

VBL deployed by parachute in time band 1:08 minute of video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES1XUobXqr4



So according to your own argument those are the 3 things that makes up a special forces vehicle and the Nigerian VBL is qualified 100%

I hang your SAAF air force officers blue uniform on an Iroko tree in a Nigerian forest, you need prayer warriors to help you get your military uniform back from that tree top, Iroko spirit-man no go gree, unless you take am by girigi
.

If the VBL is a special forces vehicle... why do french special forces then use the VPS instead?

WRECKED

agaugust:
"President Zuma said just over 200 South African troops had battled more than [b] 1,000 [/b]rebel fighters."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-21923624

Only 1,000 Seleka Vs SANDFcowards.

CASE CLOSED.

Early first reports - battle had only ended 2 days before he said that. The full picture was not yet available.

he also said the battle was only 9 hours

Early reports, all the facts not yet available.

Conservative consensus puts the number at over 2000 were involed, some analyists put the number above 3000.themselves.

andrewza:
Its not ASW. I showed thos to upu many times. It is clearly used asca utilty chopper.

Sure you are referring to SAAF Super Lynx search-rescue helicopters with ZERO ASW capabilities.

South Africa has NEVER owned an ASW helicopter in your 300 year national history.
,

agaugust:
Sure you are referring to SAAF Super Lynx search-rescue helicopters with ZERO ASW capabilities.

South Africa has NEVER owned an ASW helicopter in your 300 year national history.
,

Neither has Nigeria

Difference is ours can actually be used in Naval warfare... yours cannot!!

Patchesagain:
Different sources cite different numbers

200 v 1000 is still a fight none would expect to win

265 with rocket artillery and mortar artillery plus military training Vs 1,000 farmer illiterates with no military academy training.

SANDF should have won, you were better equipped, better trained, and protected inside a cement block wall fenced base.

Cowardice ruined the SANDF facing Seleka
.

Patchesagain:
1. Who says it was ordered by a border agency?

Saaengine your countryman said so with source

Patchesagain:
-- what is the outcome of any battle where 200 face over 2000?

-- We met ALL objectives

-- No, the Hornet was not lost

-- One small MRLS hardly indicitive of anything

-- Flopped? Real life isnt a movie, not much can be done when you are outnumbered 20:1

My argument is what it has allways been, Nigeria does not posses a special forces orientated vehicle

-- we're arguing about the hornets perfomance... learn to argue within context, stop digressing or your primitive brain cannot hold a simple conversation

-- your special forces with superior heavy firepower failed against regulars.. what do you want nukes.... you had superior firepower

-- your hornet was rendered immobile.... it failed

-- you call 107mm rocket small... lol foolish boy what do you want? nuclear bombs?

-- your SF retreated, mission failed

nation of dullard




see 107mm that this dullard is calling small... why dont you use nukes for ordinary rebel group


now we are back to square one. WTF IS SPECIAL FORCE ORIENTATED VEHICLE

Patchesagain:
Not to mention poor situational awareness

VBL has 360 degree situational awareness, from wide front screen, all sides and rear window ports, roof top rotating 360 degree turret.

Ordinary rainfall will soak wet all South SF, your rifles will drink water along with your soldiers.

LOL, open sides no bullet proof protection for Hornet.

All those SA special forces hanging their legs outside will have their knee caps shattered by Boko Haram AK-47.

One legged amputees will fill up your hospitals in Johannesburg.

PHOTO : FREE SOWETO KNEE CAPS AVAILABLE FOR SHOOTING PRACTICE

Patchesagain:
light
air-mobile
maneuverable
low-battlefeild signature
heavily armed

VBL IS ALL THAT AS @AGAUGUST HAS PROVEN

YOUR ARGUMENT IS DEAD.

STOP PROLONGING YOUR SUFFERING UNDER NIGERIAN ASSAULT

agaugust:
Bwahahaha

You call me fake military researcher? You wannabe air force man, your own comment just proved me right.

The VBL is a...

1. Rapid Deployment/Reaction vehicle
2. Reconnaissance vehicle
3. Parachute deployable vehicle

"The Panhard VBL armored scout car was intended for French Rapid Reaction forces. "

http://www.military-today.com/apc/vbl.htm

"VBL Light Armoured Reconnaissance Vehicle. "

http://www.casr.ca/bg-army-larv-project.htm

VBL deployed by parachute in time band 1:08 minute of video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES1XUobXqr4



So according to your own argument those are the 3 things that makes up a special forces vehicle and the Nigerian VBL is qualified 100%

I hang your SAAF air force officers blue uniform on an Iroko tree in a Nigerian forest, you need prayer warriors to help you get your military uniform back from that tree top, Iroko spirit-man no go gree, unless you take am by girigi
.

Nigeria has the vbl armored car and the otokar cobra... both can be lifted by our c-130 and G-222.... yet they are still amphibious.

this southie needs their head rechecked

Patchesagain:
light
air-mobile
maneuverable
low-battlefeild signature
heavily armed

VBL is not an SF platform, end of story

says who?

lionel4power:
[size=16pt] The combined force was, however, too small to hold, despite firing ripples of 107mm rockets directly into the advancing enemy, and was repeatedly enveloped. By about 6.30pm the fighting had moved into the suburbs, and they were ordered to fall back into the base. They had by then suffered several wounded, and many of the Hornets were running on rims, their tyres long since shot flat. [/size]

the hornet was useless in actual battle

Hornets tyres were running of rims ! No run flat capability !

Fake SF vehicle

Patchesagain:
If the VBL is a special forces vehicle... why do french special forces then use the VPS instead?

WRECKED

....Standard armies like USA, Nigeria, France, UK, Russia....etc ALL have MORE THAN ONE TYPE of special forces usable vehicles, not useless Southie SF that have only one type that has zero bullet proof protection.

So how do your Southie SF engage in operations where all round bullet proof cover is required against snipers and large number of riflemen shooting AK-47 from all directions

Nigerian SF use VBL, Toyota 4x4, Spartan Mk III, Cobra, Scooter ATV....many different types.

I have proved VBL was designed for SF use and other purposes. I also proved you wrong, VBL is parachute air drop-able.

You have been proved wrong on every point ! South African SF will have their EXPOSED knee caps chopped off with terrorist AK-47

PHOTO : PORTUGAL`S SPECIAL FORCES VBL IN BOSNIAN WAR

agaugust:
Hornets tyres were running of rims ! No run flat capability !

Fake SF vehicle

southie dondies.... fake special force using wheelbarrow vehicle lol

see rea SFs here... with real SF vehicle with proper protection for the frontlines.

lionel4power:
southie dondies.... fake special force using wheelbarrow vehicle lol

see rea SFs here... with real SF vehicle with proper protection for the frontlines.

Fantastic, those are the type of advanced countries Nigerian SF compares with.

Honestly, the South Africans are ashamed on this special forces debate, they have no LAV and no ATV in their entire military !

the financially strapped SA Air Force (SAAF) is further extending its foreign training commitments with Russia being the latest addition.
A report has it that about 10 pilots from 2 Squadron at AFB Makhado have been selected for further training in Russia. This is a direct outflow of a co-operation agreement signed between the defence ministers of the two countries, Afrikaans weekly Rapport said.

Four pilots are already undergoing training in Cuba and according to SA National Defence Force Chief General Solly Shoke, agreements have also been entered into with the United States and the United Kingdom on various aspects of military training.

At the same time the paper reports the SAAF has experienced more resignations from the ranks of its jet pilots.

“Four of only the handful of jet fighter pilots in the SAAF have resigned leaving the force with three times as many Gripens as qualified pilots for them,” the paper said.

[size=15pt]26 ÷ 3 = 9[/size]



Making matters worse is that two test pilots based at AFB Overberg, home of the Test Flight and Development Centre (TFDC), have not had their contracts renewed.

Against this background it is not surprising the original number of 18 pilots supposed to go to Russia was cut. Another reason for sending fewer jet pilots is cost. South Africa had to pay for travel and living expenses while Russia is carrying the cost of training.

The majority of those going to Russia are qualified pilots but are short of flying hours to build their experience base. The lack of flying hours, also a result of a tight budget, has contributed in no small measure to this.

Pilots at AFB Makhado told the paper their colleagues who resigned had done so because they couldn’t fly. They have apparently joined airlines or companies operating in the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and China.

It appears the group bound for Russia are not going to have an easy time of it. A SAAF officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the Russians had made it clear no time would be wasted on pilots who cannot fly properly.


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41029&catid=111&Itemid=242


SOUTH AFRICAN AIRFORCE TRULY DEAD..... JUST 9 PILOTS

agaugust:
265 with rocket artillery and mortar artillery plus military training Vs 1,000 farmer illiterates with no military academy training.

SANDF should have won, you were better equipped, better trained, and protected inside a cement block wall fenced base.

Cowardice ruined the SANDF facing Seleka
.

200 men - your own source says this

1 light MRLS system - with limited ammo

3 81mm mortars - with limited ammo

Against upwards of 3000 heavily armed Seleka soldiers.

Majority of the fighting took place outside of the base

You cant even get the facts right and you want to debate this?

agaugust:
Saaengine your countryman said so with source

No he didnt

Dont come tell lies to my face

lionel4power:
-- we're arguing about the hornets perfomance... learn to argue within context, stop digressing or your primitive brain cannot hold a simple conversation

-- your special forces with superior heavy firepower failed against regulars.. what do you want nukes.... you had superior firepower

-- your hornet was rendered immobile.... it failed

-- you call 107mm rocket small... lol foolish boy what do you want? nuclear bombs?

-- your SF retreated, mission failed

nation of dullard




see 107mm that this dullard is calling small... why dont you use nukes for ordinary rebel group


now we are back to square one. WTF IS SPECIAL FORCE ORIENTATED VEHICLE

-- arguing about the effectiveness of a platform in a battle it was not designed to fight. Context indeed

-- superior firepower? Says whom?

-- no it was not

-- Yes, in terms of MRLS it is small

-- Mission was not to stop Seleka. All objectives met - Bangui was a sucess.

These are the facts

lionel4power:
VBL IS ALL THAT AS @AGAUGUST HAS PROVEN

YOUR ARGUMENT IS DEAD.

STOP PROLONGING YOUR SUFFERING UNDER NIGERIAN ASSAULT

and yet the French (who build it) dont use it for their SF

Argument over

agaugust:
Hornets tyres were running of rims ! No run flat capability !

Fake SF vehicle

who said that is a criteria?

Do you know how runflat works?

Patchesagain:
No he didnt
Dont come tell lies to my face

Why does SAAF only have 9 Gripen pilots?

agaugust:
[s]
....Standard armies like USA, Nigeria, France, UK, Russia....etc ALL have MORE THAN ONE TYPE of special forces usable vehicles, not useless Southie SF that have only one type that has zero bullet proof protection.

So how do your Southie SF engage in operations where all round bullet proof cover is required against snipers and large number of riflemen shooting AK-47 from all directions

Nigerian SF use VBL, Toyota 4x4, Spartan Mk III, Cobra, Scooter ATV....many different types.

I have proved VBL was designed for SF use and other purposes. I also proved you wrong, VBL is parachute air drop-able.

You have been proved wrong on every point ! South African SF will have their EXPOSED knee caps chopped off with terrorist AK-47

PHOTO : PORTUGAL`S SPECIAL FORCES VBL IN BOSNIAN WAR[/s]

French have access to VBL - chose something else instead

Who says it is portugese SF?

lionel4power:
southie dondies.... fake special force using wheelbarrow vehicle lol

see rea SFs here... with real SF vehicle with proper protection for the frontlines.

Citations that they are SF please.

I know that well equipped soldiers look like SF to Nigerians.... but proof please

agaugust:
[s]Fantastic, those are the type of advanced countries Nigerian SF compares with.

Honestly, the South Africans are ashamed on this special forces debate, they have no LAV and no ATV in their entire military[/s] !

Argument has been over for quite some time now

lionel4power:
the financially strapped SA Air Force (SAAF) is further extending its foreign training commitments with Russia being the latest addition.
A report has it that about 10 pilots from 2 Squadron at AFB Makhado have been selected for further training in Russia. This is a direct outflow of a co-operation agreement signed between the defence ministers of the two countries, Afrikaans weekly Rapport said.

Four pilots are already undergoing training in Cuba and according to SA National Defence Force Chief General Solly Shoke, agreements have also been entered into with the United States and the United Kingdom on various aspects of military training.

At the same time the paper reports the SAAF has experienced more resignations from the ranks of its jet pilots.

“Four of only the handful of jet fighter pilots in the SAAF have resigned leaving the force with three times as many Gripens as qualified pilots for them,” the paper said.

[size=15pt]26 ÷ 3 = 9[/size]



Making matters worse is that two test pilots based at AFB Overberg, home of the Test Flight and Development Centre (TFDC), have not had their contracts renewed.

Against this background it is not surprising the original number of 18 pilots supposed to go to Russia was cut. Another reason for sending fewer jet pilots is cost. South Africa had to pay for travel and living expenses while Russia is carrying the cost of training.

The majority of those going to Russia are qualified pilots but are short of flying hours to build their experience base. The lack of flying hours, also a result of a tight budget, has contributed in no small measure to this.

Pilots at AFB Makhado told the paper their colleagues who resigned had done so because they couldn’t fly. They have apparently joined airlines or companies operating in the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and China.

It appears the group bound for Russia are not going to have an easy time of it. A SAAF officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the Russians had made it clear no time would be wasted on pilots who cannot fly properly.


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41029&catid=111&Itemid=242


SOUTH AFRICAN AIRFORCE TRULY DEAD..... JUST 9 PILOTS

1. "alleged"
2. 9 Gripen pilots, with 10 more on the way. So 19 soon
3. SAAF = 9 4 th Gen Pilots. NAF = 0 4th Gen pilots

If SAAF is dead then NAAF is a zombie

Patchesagain:
and yet the French (who build it) dont use it for their SF
Argument over

But others do.

Patchesagain:
and yet the French (who build it) dont use it for their SF
Argument over

But others do.

Henry120:
Why does SAAF only have 9 Gripen pilots?

Why does NAF have ZERO 4th Gen platforms?

Henry120:
But others do.

Which others?

Patchesagain:
Why does NAF have ZERO 4th Gen platforms?

Is that what you were taught in school...... To answer a question with a question?

What use is a 4 GEN Jet is there are no pilots to fly them?


Isn't that quite literally 0 GEN?