fratermathy:
https://www.nairaland.com/2573481/calabar-uyo-comparison (Help a Friend Make a Decision)



Up next: Ijaw and its dialect (except someone beats me to it. lol)

will be looking forward to it, proudly ijaw, haaaaa izonnn

fratermathy:


Please dont raise feathers too soon. I made a logical argument. You have to counter it with meta-analysis or entitle me to my opinion as I have to yours.

Well you are entitled to be foolish but when you create controversy then you can expect sharp reactions. You can look into the well published works of the eminent Linguist Kay Williamson on the subject.Stop causing unnecessary controversy

omonnakoda:
Well you are entitled to be foolish but when you create controversy then you can expect sharp reactions. You can look into the well published works of the eminent Linguist Kay Williamson on the subject.Stop causing unnecessary controversy

A true lightbearer of your people, you are! . I rest my case!

fratermathy:


Urhobo is a language spoken in Delta State. It is the 5th largest ethnic group coming after Ijaw. Urhobo language is like Edo and is derived from it. Urhobo language, however, is LARGE and has a lot of dialects and among this we have the Central Urhobo spoken in Ughelli and Agbarho(places in Delta State), Udu, Uvwie spoken in Effurun and environs (Warri), Okpe spoken in Sapele, Others are Agbon, Abraka, Ughievwien, Agbarha, Orogun, and Ofoni which is spoken in Bayelsa State. The article is basically about the similarities and differences between these dialects. Just like we have Lagos Yoruba (Awori or so), Kwara Yoruba (Igbomina), etc or Ikwerre Igbo, Ndokwa Igbo, Owerri Igbo, etc. I hope I have reduced the confusion?

@bolded, please and please, this is unacceptable..You already said you arent an expert in Ikwerre language, how you then arrived at that assertion is baffling.

Be guided.

Nembe PLC ( my izon land[sup][/sup]

Isoko is not a sub dialect of Urhobo. They are two ethnic groups with common historical links to Benin.
The Isoko language has several sub dialects of its own and many Urhobos can attest to the fact that they can't understand the Isoko language.
Despite their common history these two ethnic groups do have some cultural differences.
Saying Isoko is a sub dialect of Urhobos is as erroneous as saying Itsekiri is a sub dialect of Yoruba and Benin since they have similar syntax and semantics.
Get it straight Urhobos and Isokos; common history, different ethnic groups.

fratermathy:


A true lightbearer of your people, you are! . I rest my case!

You have no case You start a stupid thread claiming Isoko are Urhob and compound that with more folly,what really is your agenda?

HopeAtHand:


@bolded, please and please, this is unacceptable..You already said you arent an expert in Ikwerre language, how you then arrived at that assertion is baffling.

Be guided.

Why do I sense hostility among the Ikwerres here in this thread? I have agreed to your "claim" that you are not Igbo with a simple clause that your language is Igboid. Do you still want to deny that your linguistic root is Igboid? Every Language has roots. English is Germanic, Itsekiri is Yoruboid, Urhobo is Edoid, Ikwerre is Igboid. This doesn't make the "oid" groups the same with their superior appellate. It is only a linguistic marker. Dont tell me you dont know that.


Please reduce the hostility, I am not an Igbo person nor an Ikwerre person. I am but a simple, calm and docile Urhobo who is stating the truth.

I can speak the Agbarho/Ughelli version of Urhobo. I understand the others to some extent except Okpe, very difficult......My favourite version of Urhobo is Ujevwen dialect. Just like OP said, they talk as if they are singing. Another thing i like about Ujevwen is their music, even without musical instrument dem still dey make sense

omonnakoda:
You have no case You start a stupid thread claiming Isoko are Urhob and compound that with more folly,what really is your agenda?

It is okay. I acknowledge your grievance and it is duly noted! Isoko and Urhobo are very different. In fact they dont understand each other. In fact, they are ethnic enemies. Okay?

u did a good work. I must commend u for that. I hope u publish it too... urhobo ovuovo!!!

Rene456:
Isoko is not a sub dialect of Urhobo. They are two ethnic groups with common historical links to Benin.
The Isoko language has several sub dialects of its own and many Urhobos can attest to the fact that they can't understand the Isoko language.
Despite their common history these two ethnic groups do have some cultural differences.
Saying Isoko is a sub dialect of Urhobos is as erroneous as saying Itsekiri is a sub dialect of Yoruba and Benin since they have similar syntax and semantics.
Get it straight Urhobos and Isokos; common history, different ethnic groups.

If you read my subcategorisation of Isoko well, this wouldn't be a problem at all. You'd rather that Urhobo and Isoko be different than bear the thought that we are unified as brothers? Well, its alright.

@Fratermathy......What about my language Ukwani? Is it also Igboid?

fratermathy:

It is okay. I acknowledge your grievance and it is duly noted! Isoko and Urhobo are very different. In fact they dont understand each other. In fact, they are ethnic enemies. Okay?

You are nearly sensible ,keep working at it

fantazia:
NICE THREAD BRO, PROUDLY URHOBO 4RM UGHELLI NORTH.

seconded.am 4rm ufuoma nd u??

I beg to differ on your analysis that the ISOKO ETHNIC LANGUANGE broke out of URHOBO. I think the reverse is the case here. please confirm your historical source very well. because most of the urhobo clans/groups actually migrated from isoko land. eg. okpe, effurun, uvwie, udu e.t.c. it is only olomoro that migrated from olomu. so isoko cannot be a brake away language group from urhobo. Isoko language has always being an entity of its own. It is when the urhobos want to manipulate the isokos that they will say URHOBO - ISOKO OWVUO OWVUO.

#PROUDLY ISOKO#
ISOKO WA DOOOOOOOO

IceDude:
@Fratermathy......What about my language Ukwani? Is it also Igboid?

Ukwuani is culturally NOT Igboid bro. However, if I am to be honest from my own perspective, it is linguistically Igboid like the Aniocha or Ika but to a lesser degree. Ukwuani cannot be called Igbo just like the Ikwerres are advocating. However, it has Igboid roots as a linguistic entity. If I am wrong, which of course everyone can be, please do well to state your claims. No researcher is 100% perfect! I do my best.

Proud Uhrobo Boy...Nice thread Op

I Love Dis Thread...nice one..Proudly; Aragba-Orogun,ughelli north...

kpezi:
I beg to differ on your analysis that the ISOKO ETHNIC LANGUANGE broke out of URHOBO. I think the reverse is the case here. please confirm your historical source very well. because most of the urhobo clans/groups actually migrated from isoko land. eg. okpe, effurun, uvwie, udu e.t.c. it is only olomoro that migrated from olomu. so isoko cannot be a brake away language group from urhobo. Isoko language has always being an entity of its own. It is when the urhobos want to manipulate the isokos that they will say URHOBO - ISOKO OWVUO OWVUO.

#PROUDLY ISOKO#
ISOKO WA DOOOOOOOO

Never said they broke out.

One thing we Urhobo/Isoko dont understand is this: URHOBO itself is not a language per se but a cultural marker for a group of related tribes such as Okpe, Uvwie, Isoko, Udu, Agbon, etc. These people all trace their roots back to Benin and somehow, the term URHOBO has been accepted by all of them except ISOKO! Urhobo is NOT a LANGUAGE in the true sense but a CULTURAL INDICATOR. It is only being proposed as a language in contemporary times because of the upspring of schools, colleges of education and universities that study it and even the adopted general Urhobo is easily understood by Isokos. Isoko, like Okpe, is one of the ORIGINAL groups that make up URHOBO CULTURE. However, they have asserted themselves as being different. Not dwelling on that, we both cannot deny that the cultural tie between all URHOBOID groups has made our language similar. Hence when I say Urhobo language, I mean the collaboration of all URHOBOID linguistic entities of which ISOKO is a strong member of whether we agree to it or not! I also indicated the clause to Isoko's inclusion in my article. I believe all is within place. We are ONE! My "Oghene" or "Ekpo" or "Emu" or "Otor" is no less or no more than yours.

fratermathy:


Ukwuani is culturally NOT Igboid bro. However, if I am to be honest from my own perspective, it is linguistically Igboid like the Aniocha or Ika but to a lesser degree. Ukwuani cannot be called Igbo just like the Ikwerres are advocating. However, it has Igboid roots as a linguistic entity. If I am wrong, which of course everyone can be, please do well to state your claims. No researcher is 100% perfect! I do my best.

No prob....Just wanna get ur own view. I dont identify myself as an Igbo even though our language is kinda similar......PROUDLY UKWANI!

Proudly Urhobo, Proudly Agbon My Father's land and Proudly Ughelli North My Mother's land we are the best of the best.....

fratermathy:


6. Agbon
Agbon is spoken by the people of Ethiope East LGA. It is the second largest Urhobo kingdom. The main Agbon divisions include; Okpara, Kokori, Eku, Igun and Ovu-Oviorie. Of these divisions, Okpara is the largest while Kokori speaks a more proto-Agbon, or harder, version. Agbon Urhobo is extremely close to Central Urhobo. Differences are barely noticed. The main differences constitute the physical nuances of Agbon speakers. Other differences include pronunciation of certain words and their usage. Agbon speakers are understood across board. Their main difference is that the dialect is deep. It is the main dialect used in Urhobo proverbs, idioms and metaphysical expositions. If you want to learn Urhobo, dont start with Agbon. Agbon speakers can say more on this

Proudly Urhobo and repping EKU town. Nice work Op

fratermathy:


Thanks for educating me more. I dont really know much about the Ikwerres. I was basically under the impression that they are akin to Igbo like the Efik/Ibibio dichotomy. Since you have mentioned more, Im in a much better place. However, be that as it may, we must consider several other factors other than language in adjudging whether or not a tribe is indeed a tribe or merely a dialect, sociolect or idiolect as the case may be. I believe the Ikwerre case is that of both a dialect and sociolect. Hence Ikwerre is a linguistically modified version of Igbo with a different cultural and ethnic background. So the language is Igboid but the people are not Igbo in essence. So also with Urhobo and Isoko and Mr. Philips70 and Detagabriel, please take note! Isoko is linguistically tied with Urhobo whether we accept it or not. That is a blind truth. However, Isoko, by virtue of choice and self-determination, is ethnically different from Urhobo. History, legends and myths play no role in current linguistic disposition. They are only historical markers and probably hyperbolic, allusive or fabricated at worse. If history and myths dictate language, the Ikas would be speaking an Edoid language and not an Igboid language.

Why didn't you say Urhobo is lingustically tied to Isoko? The Uvwies migrated from Erowha. You do not know this history, so don't distort it. Isoko migrated from Benin just like the Urhobos, they even arrived first.

Nice write up, very insightful and educative, proudly an Urhobo Man.

prisiluv:
I Love Dis Thread...nice one..Proudly; Aragba-Orogun,ughelli north...

dear sister I greet you

Repping Aragba-Orogun,ughelli north.... .

justirich:

dear sister I greet you

I grt u too...re u 4rm Orogun too?

fratermathy:


And people that are DIRTY by NATURE aren't from where you come from? Please spare me that tribalism.

who is this were?na where you come from?if my comment pain you come sok my asss

Urhobo vwan dooooo, eji igari ru Urhobo vwerhe Urhobo. Thank u very much for this research

Point of correction ISOKO is NEVER A DIALECT of urhobo PERIOD.
Please always try and get your facts right

fratermathy:


Never said they broke out.

One thing we Urhobo/Isoko dont understand is this: URHOBO itself is not a language per se but a cultural marker for a group of related tribes such as Okpe, Uvwie, Isoko, Udu, Agbon, etc. These people all trace their roots back to Benin and somehow, the term URHOBO has been accepted by all of them except ISOKO! Urhobo is NOT a LANGUAGE in the true sense but a CULTURAL INDICATOR. It is only being proposed as a language in contemporary times because of the upspring of schools, colleges of education and universities that study it and even the adopted general Urhobo is easily understood by Isokos. Isoko, like Okpe, is one of the ORIGINAL groups that make up URHOBO CULTURE. However, they have asserted themselves as being different. Not dwelling on that, we both cannot deny that the cultural tie between all URHOBOID groups has made our language similar. Hence when I say Urhobo language, I mean the collaboration of all URHOBOID linguistic entities of which ISOKO is a strong member of whether we agree to it or not! I also indicated the clause to Isoko's inclusion in my article. I believe all is within place. We are ONE! My "Oghene" or "Ekpo" or "Emu" or "Otor" is no less or no more than yours.

Bro you just killed the matter. Well said and I rep the uvwie people. Urhobo Wado!!

prisiluv:
Repping Aragba-Orogun,ughelli north.... . I grt u too...re u 4rm Orogun too?

from Eku town.