ezeagu:
Advice taken.

Okay omonnakoda and SirShymexx you've now started. Let me help...

Loool.

I actually like Pa omonnakoda when he isn't erratic with the voodoo jacket on. And he's quite knowledgeable and intelligent. However, I've warned him several times to take his voodoo away from me, hence I don't quote him.

Anyway, Pa omonnakoda the voodoo priest - come get a hug and let's stick to the topic.

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SirShymexx:


Loool.

I actually like Pa omonnakoda when he isn't erratic with the voodoo jacket on. And he's quite knowledgeable and intelligent. However, I've warned him several times to take his voodoo away from me, hence I don't quote him.

Anyway, Pa omonnakoda the voodoo priest - come get a hug and let's stick to the topic.

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Mind yasef

Okay...

Anyway. Eko Atalntic proposed projects. Like I was saying this would have been better if they fixed Lagos mainland first before building a completely new city, but this is a rendering of some of the projects which will in some way affect the economy.

EDC begins Azuri Peninsula development

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1809422





These kinds of projects are only happening in the south west.

the person who opened the thread should have focused on so called development in other parts of Nigeria today because the whole of Nigeria is mediocre at best.

The only relevant industry is the oil industry and I don't see any attempts at truly trying to diversify. That's why threads like this end up derailed, because no one in Nigeria really has much to show in terms of industry outside Lagos and Abuja, the oil industry, and informal import/export.

Just to correct some mis conceptions here.

When we say Igbos don't have Kings, what we mean is that Igbos have no authoritarian Kings, and also the fact that there was never a United Igbo kingdom with a single King.

Some Igbo groups had kings, but they were never authoritarian ones, their powers were very limited.

Again, most Igbo societies seem to have passed through a stage in their evolution of leadership, where they decided to throw away any form of monarchy and adopted a
republican stance.

Again, the Igbo ukwu site supposedly belongs to the Nri people, who always had priestly Kings older than the Ife and Bini monarchy.

Old Igbo Names. like "Ezebuilo" ie "A king is an Enemy", seem to suggest a period of rebellion against kings and a shift towards mini republics.

ezeagu:
the person who opened the thread should have focused on so called development in other parts of Nigeria today because the whole of Nigeria is mediocre at best.

The only relevant industry is the oil industry and I don't see any attempts at truly trying to diversify. That's why threads like this end up derailed, because no one in Nigeria really has much to show in terms of industry outside Lagos and Abuja, the oil industry, and informal import/export.

This thread was a rebuttal to numerous threads opened on NL by persons of Yoruba ethnicity, demanding the SE contribution to Nigeria.

Actions always attract reactions. Yorubas here should not form Angels, they were the ones that started this.

ezeagu:
Okay...

Anyway. Eko Atalntic proposed projects. Like I was saying this would have been better if they fixed Lagos mainland first before building a completely new city, but this is a rendering of some of the projects which will in some way affect the economy.

EDC begins Azuri Peninsula development

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1809422

These kinds of projects are only happening in the south west.

I actually like Eko Atlantic a lot and I believe it's one of the reasons why I like Fashola a bit, ditto the metrorail - albeit I'm not his groupie and I still believe he was mediocre.

However, my only grouse with a project of that magnitude is the fact that they never tried to create an identity for the state. Lagos has no identity and when you're planning something as commendable as this within an axis - you've to plan ahead and make it statement, with an identity, so as not to suck developments away from other areas in the South West.

What am I saying? I'll New York and the Tri-state as an example. When Manhattan was built - the identity of New York became the financial district. After that, a lot of things moved to the two other states in the tri-state. However, with Lagos - those folks lack foresight and planning. And they just keep trying to fit everything into one state, while sucking developments out of the other states - thus making Lagos more snarled-up than it's meant to be.

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pazienza:
Just to correct some mis conceptions here.

When we say Igbos don't have Kings, what we mean is that Igbos have no authoritarian Kings, and also the fact that there was never a United Igbo kingdom with a single King.

Some Igbo groups had kings, but they were never authoritarian ones, their powers were very limited.

Again, most Igbo societies seem to have passed through a stage in their evolution of leadership, where they decided to throw away any form of monarchy and adopted a
republican stance.

Again, the Igbo ukwu site supposedly belongs to the Nri people, who always had priestly Kings older than the Ife and Bini monarchy.

Old Igbo Names. like "Ezebuilo" ie "A king is an Enemy", seem to suggest a period of rebellion against kings and a shift towards mini republics.

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Don't derail the thread - Kingship is foreign to Igboland.

omonnakoda:

Changing people's words is the best thing this tribalistic member of the Felidae family that can achieve in his warped transient and transitory existence. Instead of changing words, better learn how to change your life and how you talk/approach people! I know you will still change what I have said here but it doesn't matter! Take your time, read your posts 80 times, give it to your siblings to correct then post it in my words. That is what you do best!

kingzizzy:



Of course you can't answer. If Ogun was what you said it is, all roads would lead to Ogun. Face it man, outside Lagos, Yoruba land has no economic power.

Guy must be living under a cave to ask this question. Smh.

https://www.nairaland.com/2322312/ogun-state-nigerias-emerging-industrial -- see extensive picture evidence

http://dawncommission.org/news/ogun-attracts-43-manufacturing-firms-in-3-years/ -- that is an average of a little over one manufacturing firm consistently setting up shop in the state every month for the past 3-years.

http://thenationonlineng.net/ogun-making-industrial-hub/

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/06/why-more-companies-are-moving-to-ogun/

http://www.persecondnews.com/index.php/sport/item/2025-ogun-state-the-silent-industrial-revolution

http://www.punchng.com/opinion/between-ogun-state-and-state-of-new-jersey/

OduaVanguard:


Guy must be living under a cave to ask this question. Smh.

https://www.nairaland.com/2322312/ogun-state-nigerias-emerging-industrial -- see extensive picture evidence

http://dawncommission.org/news/ogun-attracts-43-manufacturing-firms-in-3-years/ -- that is an average of a little over one manufacturing firm consistently setting up shop in the state every month for the past 3-years.

http://thenationonlineng.net/ogun-making-industrial-hub/

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/06/why-more-companies-are-moving-to-ogun/

http://www.persecondnews.com/index.php/sport/item/2025-ogun-state-the-silent-industrial-revolution

http://www.punchng.com/opinion/between-ogun-state-and-state-of-new-jersey/

Who planned and built those industrial estates and when were they built?

SirShymexx:
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Don't derail the thread - Kingship is foreign to Igboland.

LIST OF PAST EZE – NRI AND ORDER OF REIGN:

(1) Nri – Ifikuan?m 1043 – 1158

(2) Nri – Namoke (from Diodo) 1090 – 1158

(3) Nri – Buife (From Obeag? Unified ?f? N’al? Agukwu and Diodo) 1159 – 1259

(4) Nri – ?mal? (Uru?ji) 1260 – 1299

(5) Nri – Ji?f? 1 (Agbadana) 1300 – 1390

(6) Nri – ?malonyeso (Obeagu) 1391 –1464

(7) Nri – Anyamata (Uru?ji) 1465 – 1511

( Nri – Fenenu (Agbadana) 1512 – 1582

(9) Nri – Ag? (Obeagu) 1583 – 1676

(10) Nri – Apia and Nri – Alike (both from Uru?ji died the same day) 1677 – 1700

(11) Nri – Ezimilo (Agbadana) 1701 – 1723

(12) Nri – Enwenetem (Agbadana) 1724 – 1794

(13) Nri – Enwelana 1 (Obeagu) 1795 – 1886

(14) Nri – ?balike (Uru?ji) 1889 – 1936

(15) Nri – Jiof? II Taabansi Udene (Agbadana) 1937 – 1987

(16) Nri – Enwelana II Obidiegwu Onyeso (MFR) (Obeagu) 1988 – Present

SirShymexx:


I actually like Eko Atlantic a lot and I believe it's one of the reasons why I like Fashola a bit, ditto the metrorail - albeit I'm not his groupie and I still believe he was mediocre.

However, my only grouse with a project of that magnitude is the fact that they never tried to create an identity for the state. Lagos has no identity and when you're planning something as commendable as this within an axis - you've to plan ahead and make it statement, with an identity, so as not to suck developments away from other areas in the South West.

What am I saying? I'll New York and the Tri-state as an example. When Manhattan was built - the identity of New York became the financial district. After that, a lot of things moved to the two other states in the tri-state. However, with Lagos - those folks lack foresight and planning. And they just keep trying to fit everything into one state, while sucking developments out of the other states - thus making Lagos more snarled-up than it's meant to be.

They're just continuing the trend of Nigeria being a one city state. Lagos = Nigeria to everyone anyway.

pazienza:


LIST OF PAST EZE – NRI AND ORDER OF REIGN:

(1) Nri – Ifikuan?m 1043 – 1158

(2) Nri – Namoke (from Diodo) 1090 – 1158

(3) Nri – Buife (From Obeag? Unified ?f? N’al? Agukwu and Diodo) 1159 – 1259

(4) Nri – ?mal? (Uru?ji) 1260 – 1299

(5) Nri – Ji?f? 1 (Agbadana) 1300 – 1390

(6) Nri – ?malonyeso (Obeagu) 1391 –1464

(7) Nri – Anyamata (Uru?ji) 1465 – 1511

( Nri – Fenenu (Agbadana) 1512 – 1582

(9) Nri – Ag? (Obeagu) 1583 – 1676

(10) Nri – Apia and Nri – Alike (both from Uru?ji died the same day) 1677 – 1700

(11) Nri – Ezimilo (Agbadana) 1701 – 1723

(12) Nri – Enwenetem (Agbadana) 1724 – 1794

(13) Nri – Enwelana 1 (Obeagu) 1795 – 1886

(14) Nri – ?balike (Uru?ji) 1889 – 1936

(15) Nri – Jiof? II Taabansi Udene (Agbadana) 1937 – 1987

(16) Nri – Enwelana II Obidiegwu Onyeso (MFR) (Obeagu) 1988 – Present

Nri has its origin in Igala (founded by Ọnọja the son of Oboli an Igala man). Onitsha has its origin in Bini. Aro has its origin in Akwa Ibom and Calabar axis.

Kingship is foreign to Igboland.

Stop derailing the thread.

Lol! I guess some people now believe that kings are only kings when they go about harassing defenseless neighbouring groups, bringing them under subjugation, exploitation and then assimilation.

Igbos never had Kings, yet the word "Eze" is a proto Igbo Word that remains unchanged from the westernmost part of the Igbo speaking territory being Igbanke, to the Easternmost parts being Arochukwu, from the Northernmost parts being the Igbo speaking parts of Benue to the most divergent of Igboid Language being Ekpeye.

The word for King remains EZE.


https://www.nairaland.com/2172818/oldest-monarch-between-nnewi-anaedo

SirShymexx:


I actually like Eko Atlantic a lot and I believe it's one of the reasons why I like Fashola a bit, ditto the metrorail - albeit I'm not his groupie and I still believe he was mediocre.

However, my only grouse with a project of that magnitude is the fact that they never tried to create an identity for the state. Lagos has no identity and when you're planning something as commendable as this within an axis - you've to plan ahead and make it statement, with an identity, so as not to suck developments away from other areas in the South West.

What am I saying? I'll New York and the Tri-state as an example. When Manhattan was built - the identity of New York became the financial district. After that, a lot of things moved to the two other states in the tri-state. However, with Lagos - those folks lack foresight and planning. And they just keep trying to fit everything into one state, while sucking developments out of the other states - thus making Lagos more snarled-up than it's meant to be.

I must say that I quite agree with the bolded. But I also think that Lagos is already peaking in terms of its capacity to attract ambitious developments of the size of the Eko Atlantic city due to land constraints, and this is proving to be a blessing to neighbouring Ogun state (as evidenced by Ogun's Industrial ascendancy). However this spill-over is unplanned which leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Ogun, IMHO needs a well-planned mega-city of its own, something akin to the now abandoned Lagos-Ogun megacity project.

SirShymexx:


Nri has its origin in Igala (founded by Ọnọja the son of Oboli an Igala man). Onitsha has its origin in Bini. Aro has its origin in Akwa Ibom and Calabar axis.

Kingship is foreign to Igboland.

Stop derailing the thread.

I thought we're past this now? You were telling me not to reply with derailing statements, now you have me dusting off the books again, or?

ezeagu:


Check the post history. Everything here is a response. Someone makes a claim. A response is followed. I'm sure if someone made a claim you knew was untrue you'd want to correct them as well. So if there are no more false claims or verifiable facts then the thread can carry on.

The claim I made was about historical firsts in Nigeria and Africa by the SW regional administration and you stepped in to dispute the claim with your rubbish about british framework and supervision and managed to drag the thread down to absurd and ridiculous level about palm oil and market all because you don't have anything to show per what the eastern region achieved within the same period hence your convoluted posts about palm oil and markets.


You derailed the thread with all your meaningless and thoughtless garbage...

aresa:




The claim I made was about historical firsts in Nigeria and Africa by the SW regional administration and you stepped in to dispute the claim with your rubbish about british framework and supervision and managed to drag the thread down to absurd and ridiculous level about palm oil and market all because you don't have anything to show per what the eastern region achieved within the same period hence your convoluted posts about palm oil and markets.


You derailed the thread with all your meaningless and thoughtless garbage...

Please see the last few pages where I was handling several of you at the same time and debunking left and right. Please post economic development of south western Nigeria today like I have done.

SirShymexx:


Who planned and built those industrial estates and when were they built?

They exist in different parts of Ogun State like:

1. Abeokuta-Lagos Road Industrial Estate (Abeokuta estate);

2. Ota-Idi Iroko Industrial estate;

3. Agbara-OPIC Industrial estate;

4. Ijebu Ode-Ikangba Industrial estate;

5. Ogijo-Ikorodu Industrial estate;

6. Ilaro-Ibeshe Industrial estate;

7. Sagamu-Benin road Industrial estate

8. Ijebu Igbo-Oru Industrial estate.

etc

SirShymexx:


Nri has its origin in Igala (founded by Ọnọja the son of Oboli an Igala man). Onitsha has its origin in Bini. Aro has its origin in Akwa Ibom and Calabar axis.

Kingship is foreign to Igboland.

Stop derailing the thread.

Lol! You have it upside down.

Eri second wife, Oboli gave birth to Onoja, the progenitor of the Igala ethnic group.

His first wife Nneamaka gave birth to Nri. Don't speak on things you know little about.

Igala is an offspring of Eri, the tail does not wag the dog.



Aro doesn't have its origin in Akwa-ibom, if it does, their king would have been named Obong-Aro, and not Eze-Aro.

Onitsha is old news, the name Eze-Chima says it all.

ezeagu:


Please see the last few pages where I was handling several of you at the same time and debunking left and right. Please post economic development of south western Nigeria today like I have done.

Please stop.


The thread missed road because they catered to your irrelevant distractions when in fact they shouldn't have.

They basically enabled you.

aresa:



Please stop.


The thread missed road because they catered to your irrelevant distractions when in fact they shouldn't have.

They basically enabled you.

What can I say, I guess my writing is just very engaging. Now post south west offerings.

OduaVanguard:


I must say that I quite agree with the bolded. But I also think that Lagos is already peaking in terms of its capacity to attract ambitious developments of the size of the Eko Atlantic city due to land constraints, and this is proving to be a blessing to neighbouring Ogun state (as evidenced by Ogun's Industrial ascendancy). However this spill-over is unplanned which leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Ogun, IMHO needs a well-planned mega-city of its own, something akin to the now abandoned Lagos-Ogun megacity project.

I was going to agree with ya post till I saw the excerpt in bold. Don't you think that's an oxymoron - "blessing", "unplanned", and "sour taste in the mouth"?

What's stopping them from planning and how something that's unplanned be a blessing, when it'll lead to chaos and created another mess in a state that's meant to learn from the mistakes of Lagos and grow with its own identity?

veraponpo:


They exist in different parts of Ogun State like:

1. Abeokuta-Lagos Road Industrial Estate (Abeokuta estate);

2. Ota-Idi Iroko Industrial estate;

3. Agbara-OPIC Industrial estate;

4. Ijebu Ode-Ikangba Industrial estate;

5. Ogijo-Ikorodu Industrial estate;

6. Ilaro-Ibeshe Industrial estate;

7. Sagamu-Benin road Industrial estate

8. Ijebu Igbo-Oru Industrial estate.

etc

When were these industrial estates built and who planned them?

I'm just trying to see the progression of Yorubas in stages, in Nigeria.

SirShymexx:

I actually like Eko Atlantic a lot and I believe it's one of the reasons why I like Fashola a bit, ditto the metrorail - albeit I'm not his groupie and I still believe he was mediocre.

However, my only grouse with a project of that magnitude is the fact that they never tried to create an identity for the state. Lagos has no identity and when you're planning something as commendable as this within an axis - you've to plan ahead and make it statement, with an identity, so as not to suck developments away from other areas in the South West.

What am I saying? I'll New York and the Tri-state as an example. When Manhattan was built - the identity of New York became the financial district. After that, a lot of things moved to the two other states in the tri-state. However, with Lagos - those folks lack foresight and planning. And they just keep trying to fit everything into one state, while sucking developments out of the other states - thus making Lagos more snarled-up than it's meant to be.

What's Lagos got to do with NY? Is their even any ground or basis for such comparisons?

Where is the sense and wisdom in comparing a young and little state in Nigeria with NY, a state in the most developed country in the world, a state with hundreds of years worth of development and home to some of the richest people in the world, a state with hundreds of billions of dollars yearly operating budget.?

Lagos is in no way half developed so exactly what's so developed and over concentrated about about Lagos apart from the oversized population which is naturally thinning into neighboring states anyway.

Demand and supply, prices, trends and market forces emanates changes naturally when due and necessary same way human population, industries, plants and factories are naturally overflowing into Ogun and Oyo states.

Same manner of developments going on in Lagos state are transpiring in Ogun and Oyo states...

SirShymexx:


I was going to agree with ya post till I saw the excerpt in bold. Don't you think that's an oxymoron - "blessing", "unplanned", and "sour taste in the mouth"?

What's stopping them from planning and how something that's unplanned be a blessing, when it'll lead to chaos and created another mess in a state that's meant to learn from the mistakes of Lagos and grow with its own identity?

Well, I agree. But I blame the resultant lack of planning on the military era. The military participation/intervention in governance was a curse on this country, especially in the area of development coz they couldn't be held accountable -- they retar.ded our development, they made no promises to the governed, were unstable in their decision-making, and lacked planning, e.t.c. Anyone could've easily foreseen the inevitability of Lagos development spilling into Ogun, but the leaders that ruled from '66 to '99 (with the exception of the short-lived 2nd republic) simply didn't care about such things.

ezeagu:


What can I say, I guess my writing is just very engaging. Now post south west offerings.

What's engaging about your meaningless, irrelevant , flawed and disjointed rubbish?

There's got to be something better than you people beating your hollow chests..

aresa:



What's engaging about your meaningless, irrelevant , flawed and disjointed rubbish?

There's got to be something better than you people beating your hollow chests..

Guy (or girl), SirShymexx already used one way and saved you guys, I then stopped, are you really trying to drag this thread back? Post about the south west nau.

OduaVanguard:


Well, I agree. But I blame the resultant lack of planning on the military era. The military participation/intervention in governance was a curse on this country, especially in the area of development coz they couldn't be held accountable -- they retar.ded our development, they made no promises to the governed, were unstable in their decision-making, and lacked planning, e.t.c. Anyone could've easily foreseen the inevitability of Lagos development spilling into Ogun, but the leaders that ruled from '66 to '99(with the exception of the short-lived 2nd republic) simply didn't care about such things.

And what's stopping the leaders from 1999-2015 from consolidating on a well planned structure and creating new structures - apart from individual vainglory, exaggerated non-achievements, and extreme corruption?

15 years is a long time and almost all Yoruba states have been under one leadership/group structure since 1999.

SirShymexx:


Nri has its origin in Igala (founded by Ọnọja the son of Oboli an Igala man). Onitsha has its origin in Bini. Aro has its origin in Akwa Ibom and Calabar axis.

Kingship is foreign to Igboland.

Stop derailing the thread.

Please do us a favor by stop punching above your intellectual class. I cannot watch you embarrass yourself intellectually in the public.

Duru1:


Please do us a favor by stop punching above your intellectual class. I cannot watch you embarrass yourself intellectually in the public.

Lmao.

This is what happens when an ancient man becomes senile.

What does Onoja Oboli mean in Igbo language?