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Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by Nobody: 4:39pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
truthman2012:Which is the true God...the father,the son or the holy spirit? Maybe you forgot to add a "s" to spelling |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by iliyande(m): 4:40pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
Kreysik: aaaaahhhhhh I now see |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by Nobody: 4:43pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
iliyande:Hehe..were you blind beforehand?? |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by iliyande(m): 4:45pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by truthman2012(m): 5:01pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
Kreysik: Our God, the true God, Yahweh is more than able to manifest Himself in as many forms as He wishes. He is capable of any mysterious and miraculous acts. He is not limited to space like allahh who can only be reached facing Kaaba. Our God, the true God is a Healer, which allahh is not capable of doing. Tell me anyone healed by allahh. Even when Muhammad's jihadits ate poison, allahh couldn't do anything about it. Both Muhammad and many of his followers died of ordinary poison. I think you can now see the difference between the true God and allahh who lacks the power to be Almighy God. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 5:02pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
truthman2012: Your question is very silly as it reeks of ineptitude or lack proper digestion of word usage while scriptures are translated that's why I didn't bother myself on giving u a response in that regards coz what u do best is try to find a rat where there's no hole. you and your brethren have failed to answer this question all your brethren did was to give me a response whuch does not in any way solve the matter at hand. can u please enlighten me since u have the knowledge. thanks. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by Rilwayne001: 5:07pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
iliyande:From whay exactly |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 5:12pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
truthman2012: what is he saying is that what they ask u oga. lwkmd leave that old tale of yours you know they've killed it in that thread. why must Yahweh punish Himself in the hands of mere humans which he created by receiving several kokobokos and sacrificing himself before he can forgive the same humans he created Yahweh should have been more powerful and sufficient to over look it without suferring himself or his son or whatever. Yahweh why! why has thou forsaken Jesus on the cross and made him cry loud. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by ad84ada(m): 6:11pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
Kreysik:The kind of God you have NO right to define. The God who made YOU and all nature. The God who made you free. |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by Nobody: 6:21pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
ad84ada:Yeah! Yeah!! If he made you free he would punish us individually for our sins ...and not ascribe the sin of the father to the son,, and also not punish christ for the sins we commit |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by Nobody: 6:35pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
truthman2012:Lol!!! Projecting ignorance balistically. Yeah I agree with you your God is capable of a lot of unbelievable mysteriousness "even turning to a human "christ" and praying to another god" he can even come as a lesser animal if he pleases Muhammad didn't eat poison I guess you're confusing muhammad for "omar" or maybe you just collect whatever your priest tell you without making legal findings Your God the all powerful, mysterious et al who was TEMPTED by the devil" lol the devil he created " no wonder they attribute badness to the devil an goodness to God" as if the devil is another god Wake up man " I true god doesn't require blood sacrifice for him to forgive he looks at the heart of the repentant..otherwise what makes him different from the deities worshiped by our forefathers |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by iliyande(m): 6:45pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
Kreysik:Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison." Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713 Maybe you don't know, your prophet die on top woman |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by iliyande(m): 6:49pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
Narrated ‘Aisha:He died on the day of my usual turn ( of having sex) at my house. Allah took him unto him while his head was between my chest and my neck and his saliva was mixed with my SALIVA. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 144: |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by Nobody: 6:52pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
iliyande:Yeah! He was poisoned by a JEW to be precise and lived for four years afterwards..so he never died of poisoning And there was no statement in the hadith you quoted the he died of the poisoning, was that your own conclusion or was it the holy spirit that inspired you again Whenever Allah's Apostle became ill, he used to recite the Muawidhatan and blow his breath over himself (after their recitation) and rubbed his hands over his body. So when he was afflicted with his fatal illness. I started reciting the Muawidhatan and blowing my breath over him as he used to blow and made the hand of the Prophet pass over his body. (Narrated by Aisha, Sahih Bukhari, [2] Th |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by iliyande(m): 6:55pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
Kreysik: And he die on top woman 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 7:07pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
Kreysik: these set of hypocrites can't provide an answer to their dirty idol like God who loves sacrifices. Bro dont waste so much time on them. As u can see all they did was to make noise, digress and derail . No reasonable answer. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by Medicis(m): 7:48pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
mubarakopeyemi:Firstly, My God why hath thou forsaken me is a fufilment of Psalm 22:1 and secondly,In those awful moments, Jesus was expressing His feelings of abandonment as God placed the sins of the world on Him – and because of that had to “turn away” from Jesus becos he cannot behold iniquity. As Jesus was feeling that weight of sin, He was experiencing separation from God for the FIRST AND ONLY TIME IN ALL OF ETERNITY. It was at this time that. He made that statement and 2 Corinthians 5:21 occurred, “God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.” Jesus became sin for us, so He felt the loneliness and abandonment that sin always produces, except that in His case, it was not His sin – it was ours. This is the kind of seperation a sinner will feel from God on the last day but the seperation will not be temporal like that of Jesus on the cross, but will be permanent. |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by truthman2012(m): 8:07pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
mubarakopeyemi: It is because you couldn't answer the question you called it silly. What an unclever way of avoiding trouble. You have been deceived. It is a pity. |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 8:19pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
truthman2012: I see... I've always known that. you're here to make troubletrouble. no wonder you've been making no sense lately. as u can see I'm not in for silly trouble makers that makes no sense. Bye... You're still sounding pained of something sorry baba I ain't the one who flogged your God like a theif. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by Nobody: 8:28pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
mubarakopeyemi: Brother lemme enlighten u small abeg...Jesus didn't die on the cross, it was Judas Iscariot that died on the cross. Jesus kissed Judas Iscariot n the Roman soldiers mistook him for Jesus n arrested him (remember most people didn't know Jesus Christ by face). Why did u think the person that died on the cross why shouting my God why have u forsaken me?? He was calling on Jesus Christ. They used "cosmetic make up" to make Judas look like Jesus Christ as he died on the cross. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 9:19pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
chuna1985: still making some sense Thanks for d info 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mayorall(m): 12:04am On Oct 24, 2015 |
God can't break his covenant. My father is a covenant keeping God, Arugbo ojo is not a man that he should lie. Jesus is not God, My best friend is Arugbo Ojo's beloved son. Arugbo had to sacrifice Jesus for my redemption and also for Arugbo Ojo to reap uncountable numbers of soul. The first man, Adam was living perfectly like God on earth, He named all the animals, plants and other creatures on earth while operating in God's wisdom. Human lost God's like nature at fall in garden of Eden. Erujeje can't break his covenant cos he's a covenant keeping God. Therefore, He had to send Jesus down to earth so that the God like nature lost at Eden is returned to me. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by truthman2012(m): 11:24am On Oct 24, 2015 |
Kreysik: Miracle? Miracle in islam does not include healing. Nowhere did allahh heal anyone in the quran, he couldn't heal even Muhammad of poison, which he battled with for 3-4 years. The greatest prophet of allahh, Muhammad helplessly watched his jihadists die of excruciating pains of poison but couldn't pray to his god to heal them. He knew his lord has no power for healing. Nowhere in the quran or hadiths Muhammad is said to pray for the sick,what a prophet. Muhammad himself died of poison after the quran had been recited on him. The quran, allahh's word could not heal him. To make matter worse, Gabriel prayed for him and promised allahh would heal him yet he died. Gabriel has no power to heal as a supposed angel. He lied allahh would heal Muhammad as he eventually died. Since Gabriel could lie, how do you trust the revelations brought by him? Don't tell me it is allahh's will for Muhammad to die of poison unless you want to say Gabriel didn't know allahh's will for Muhammad hence he prayed for him and promised allahh would heal him. What you call miracles in islam are not miracles, they can at best be described as magic. Magics are wonders but not for human benefits. Muhammad was claimed to split the moon, for what? How did that benefit anyone? There is certainly no truth for miracles claimed for Muhammad. Allahh makes it clear he was not given power for miracles, why did muslims formulate them for him? Quran 13: 07 “And the Unbelievers say: "Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?" But thou art truly a warner, and to every people a guide.” When confronted with his inability to perform miracles, allahh said Muhammad was not a miracle worker but a warner. Muhammad himself admitted he could not perform miracles: Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 379 Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "There was no prophet among the prophets but was given miracles because of which people had security or had belief, BUT WHAT I WAS GIVEN WAS the Divine Inspiration which Allah revealed to me. So I hope that my followers will be more than those of any other prophet on the Day of Resurrection." There Muhammad separated the revelations he received (quran) from miracles. I therefore wonder why muslims still claim the quran is a miracle. |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by truthman2012(m): 11:41am On Oct 24, 2015 |
chuna1985: Nonsense! Where did you get that lie from? Let's have your source. The quran that claims somebody else was killed in place of Jesus could not substantiate it. Who did the cosmetic surgery on the substitute to deceive the people? Why did allahh fear the people and because he couldn't prevail on them, he had to make Jesus run away? Why was allahh afraid of the people by providing the substitute instead of taking Jesus straight off the earth? The quran affirms all other prophets died, many of them disgracefully, even Muhammad, why was Jesus an exception? Allahh lied on everything about Jesus. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by Nobody: 11:56am On Oct 24, 2015 |
truthman2012:Here goes the dumbness again.he died 3-4 years as a result of the poison? Really but he still went on pilgrimage "on foot" and the poison didn't prevent that,, what kind of a poison sustains for 3-4 yrs anyways? I guess your believe is revolved around miracles and healing no wonder your pastors go to sorcerers to perform miracle and you being so mummified and dumb believe in them... forgetting that there is more to religion than miracles and healing,the intellectual aspect of religion which is what you people lack and that is why you anything inexplicable in the bible is attributed to the holy spirit Haven't you stopped to ask why the intellectually sound among you end up as athiest,can't you see that we in golden age and miracles and healings are now insufficient prerequisites for believe Finally I will like you to know that there exists a lot of scientific facts in the koran which have just be discovered by the modern man..what will you term such a book which gives hint of some scientific facts 15centuries ago and these have been confirmed by modern man Even mohammad stated "I await a day when the son of adam will explore the furthest stars" you should know the late neil Armstrong and yuri gagarin by now Our religion is not like yours which prosecute people for advancing in knowledge the likes of galileo and nikolas corpenicus(may God bless them) And pay attention only to miracles 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by truthman2012(m): 12:20pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
Kreysik: That it took 3-4 years before Muhammad eventually died does not add any glory to him. He confessed it was the effect of the poison that killed him. It took up to 3 years before he died because he only tasted the poisoned food and spewed it out and that was why it had the effect of slow poison. If he had swallowed it like his jihadists did, he would have died instantly equally. He didn't have any special resistance. Whether you believe it or not, there is need for miracles. Do you feel there was no need for miracle when the jihadists were languishing in pains? I know what it means to suffer from poison for I have experienced it before. The difference is, Jesus healed me. True, fake pastors get power for miracles elsewhere because they cannot meet with God's standard of holiness. The truth remains there can be no fake miracles without the original. The fake is an inferior copy of the original. Even your quran confirms Jesus performed miracles. He is still doing so till today. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by Nobody: 12:37pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
truthman2012:yeah the koran testified to it and he in the bible stated that "the things I do you can do and even more" I assume you don't know the meaning of the statement " I assume you also don't konw that moses, and many others performed miracles in the bible" why make a big deal out of christ's miracles if every one else can do it and even more I see you ignored some aspect of my post Lemme enlighten you on the philosophy behind performance of miracles according to the holy book During the time of moses sorcery is rampant among the people so his miracle was similar to that of sorcery but superior to it" hence making the people believe in him In the tym of jesus "illnesses "such as leprosy" where rampant so they needed a healer and that was why jesus came with the miracle of healing During the time of muhammed "literary excellence and intellectual prowess was rampant so he brought a book who literal power and eloguence supersede what any human can produce with his intellect hence resulting in his acceptance From the above it is seen that miracle is only needed for the acceptance of the prophet,after the miracle the prophets educates his people intellectually,morally and spiritually So stop stagnanting in the stone age and sail with the wave we are in golden age the age of intellectual prowess not the age of sorcery and miracle 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by Medicis(m): 12:50pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
Kreysik:quoting from Bukhari's Hadith 5.713:] Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison." Even the bastard says he feels as if his aorta is being. Cut from the poison he ate at khalibar and you are here defending him. Who should we believe? You or the hadith |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by Nobody: 1:24pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
truthman2012: Lmao, am not a Muslim n I'm not an atheist. Bible isn't sure of how Judas died, a part of the bible said he hanged himself, another part of the same bible says he fell n hit his stomach on d rocks n his intestine bust n he died. The particular holy spirit that wrote d bible is really a confused one. My point remains that Jesus was calling on God to help him...My GOD my God, why did u forsake me....does that sound like a God or a mere man Think think think. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by Medicis(m): 2:18pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
chuna1985:Well let me tell you how he died. The first part is just there to compliment the other part. Judas hung himself on a cliff, then he fell from that cliff head long, hit his stomach on the rock n his instestine burst open. Receive understanding in Jesus Name!!! |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mayorall(m): 2:26pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
chuna1985: Jesus was on earth for a purpose. In fact he has the power to free himself but for the sake of redemption, he had to endure. |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by orisa37: 2:36pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
God did not foresake Jesus. The first Adam(Lucifer in nature) was disobedient. The second Adam(Jesus) was programmed to record the various feats He achieved. Jesus was Success personified that all who believe in Him will have eternal life. |
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