₦airaland Forum

nwanlecha:
@OP, you made a very valid point which is for us to completely disregard the SS minorities. But you are wrong when you say Ndi Igbo should focus on SE alone because Igbo land extends past the SE. The current SE as it is, is the creation of our enemies and does not represent the true extent of Igbo land. My proposition has always been that Ndi Igbo, should focus squarely on the five Eastern states, Anioma and the parts of Igbo land carved into Rivers, Benue and Cross river state. We cannot forget our Anioma brothers because they've always played a key role in the Igbo political circle, and I have seen lots of them here on Nairaland uphold their Igboness proudly. The Ikwerres are a non-issue as far as I am concerned and I don't give a rat's about their existence neither do I include them in my proposed Republic of Ala Igbo.
Let us focus squarely on developing Ala Igbo whilst also fighting for independence from the evil contraption called Nigeria. Involving these SS minorities in our cause is nothing short of an unnecessary distraction because, Ndi Igbo I know, are very capable of turning Republic of Ala Igbo, into one of the best countries on earth.
PS, I hate to see some uncouth Igbo people throwing insults at others, simply because they harbor a different view. Y'all should learn how to argue your case without being abusive. Such attitude makes some of you come off as touts and it's not a good look.

Afam4eva:
One of the reasons why I don’t support groups such as MASSOB or IPOB is not because I don’t think Igbos or any group for that matter have the right for self-determination. My only worry is the mode through which this is carried out. The truth is that the Biafran dream will remain a pipe dream if the initiators go about it the way they are currently. Apart from the fact that they are not going about it the right way by appealing to those that matter in Igboland and taking their case to the United Nations (UN), the most embarrassing disposition that they have created is one of forcing people who have not given their consent to be included in the Biafran agenda.

The fact that most of the areas known as the Niger Delta were naturally part of the old eastern region and as such were naturally part of the Biafran agitation in the 60s does not mean the same thing holds today. The divide and rule tactics has worked and anybody that can’t see it needs to go for an eye checkup. I’m tired of this whole “We are not Igbo, we are Edo”, “Our ancestors ate Igbo yam and that is why we are Igbo” or the opposing views that portray such desperate disposition that could be mistaken as Hitler’s intended conquering of Europe.

Igbos should fight for their rights and their only. Let’s stop this “SS and SE” BS. This people have oil for Bleep sake. Leave them the heck alone. They don’t want to have anything to do with you. I wonder why you can’t see that. They probably hate you more than the Hausas and the Yorubas that you see as your arch rivals. You have nothing to offer them, so leave them the heck alone.

In my mind, I even think it will make more sense for Igbos to align with other major groups and not minorities. These minorities don’t care about you. They see you as a land grabber. It doesn’t matter whether their names are the same as yours, their mode of thinking and vision is different, so it will serve you well if you focus on your SE affairs and stop romancing people that don’t want to be romanced.

If you are really passionate about getting Biafra whether or not it comes with oil or seaport then you must present your Biafran case as the SE alone. Don’t even include the Asaba area, atleast for now. Present your case as the war ravaged SE that no one can benefit from and the powers that be may change their kind and give it to you. But as long as you keep romancing oil, those Abuja people will not mind being Niger Delta’s father Christmas by sending gun wielding soldiers to teach you a bitter lesson for the second time. A word is enough for the wise.

Afam4eva:
One of the reasons why I don’t support groups such as MASSOB or IPOB is not because I don’t think Igbos or any group for that matter have the right for self-determination. My only worry is the mode through which this is carried out. The truth is that the Biafran dream will remain a pipe dream if the initiators go about it the way they are currently. Apart from the fact that they are not going about it the right way by appealing to those that matter in Igboland and taking their case to the United Nations (UN), the most embarrassing disposition that they have created is one of forcing people who have not given their consent to be included in the Biafran agenda.

The fact that most of the areas known as the Niger Delta were naturally part of the old eastern region and as such were naturally part of the Biafran agitation in the 60s does not mean the same thing holds today. The divide and rule tactics has worked and anybody that can’t see it needs to go for an eye checkup. I’m tired of this whole “We are not Igbo, we are Edo”, “Our ancestors ate Igbo yam and that is why we are Igbo” or the opposing views that portray such desperate disposition that could be mistaken as Hitler’s intended conquering of Europe.

Igbos should fight for their rights and their only. Let’s stop this “SS and SE” BS. This people have oil for Bleep sake. Leave them the heck alone. They don’t want to have anything to do with you. I wonder why you can’t see that. They probably hate you more than the Hausas and the Yorubas that you see as your arch rivals. You have nothing to offer them, so leave them the heck alone.

In my mind, I even think it will make more sense for Igbos to align with other major groups and not minorities. These minorities don’t care about you. They see you as a land grabber. It doesn’t matter whether their names are the same as yours, their mode of thinking and vision is different, so it will serve you well if you focus on your SE affairs and stop romancing people that don’t want to be romanced.

If you are really passionate about getting Biafra whether or not it comes with oil or seaport then you must present your Biafran case as the SE alone. Don’t even include the Asaba area, atleast for now. Present your case as the war ravaged SE that no one can benefit from and the powers that be may change their kind and give it to you. But as long as you keep romancing oil, those Abuja people will not mind being Niger Delta’s father Christmas by sending gun wielding soldiers to teach you a bitter lesson for the second time. A word is enough for the wise.

Mortiple:
You made a whole lot of sense in your write. I share your sentiments in totality. Is there wisdom in FORCING people to be part your secession bid? None at all!

I am a Igbo son (proper); I do not share in Biafran dream and WILL NEVER support it! I strongly believe that Ndigbo stand to get more being in the entity called Nigeria.

There is hardly any part of this country where Umu-Igbo are not doing well in commerce. Ndigbo have investments and valuable properties outside Igboland than in their region. What will happen to their investments if Biafra comes to fruition? Is it not likely that they would loose all their investments outside Igboland seeing that they are no more citizens of Nigeria (but Biafra) hence would be treated as foreigners?
Ndigbo think!!!

Mortiple:
Nwanne, its a fact that ECOWAS law is only on paper. If you are in doubt, ask Igbo people doing businesses in ECOWAS countries like Ghana, Cameroon etc.

Take it or leave it, Nigeria will definitely make it more difficult for Ndigbo if Biafra secedes.

PointB:
Too many voices tend to speak for Igbos on Nairaland these days. Perhaps it's time we re-institute the "Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland" title holder. I hate these several voices, which all claim to speak of us, and end up throwing up more confusion even in simple matters.

Fact of the matter is, Biafra will not get 100% support in Aba or Onitsha, neither will it get 0% support in Asaba or P/H. Until there is referendum, we can never see the true picture. I believe it's wrong to start talking about excluding one Igbo speaking areas or the other on the basis of 'lack of support' simply because we don't have fact. Vocal minority can never speak for majority; Igbos should not be intimidated, and should not cede any ground in this agitation because a few people feel offended.

We should stop pussy-footing (as OnlyTruth would say). We should not deny the Igbos in Delta, or the ones in Rivers or anywhere else for that matter because some people will feel "offended" or call us land grabbers - they are already offended for no reason at all. Whatever we do (or don't), those who feel offended will do so, as that's their default configuration setting.

DeviIhimself:
hmmm it's a lie a law suit at international court will take care of that so far there's a law against that.

everybody has the right to own a property anywhere in the world legally as far as he's meeting up with taxes.

that's not enough reason to remain in the same country with people that resents you soo much in all ramifications

Yanks101:
This is naive politics and not looking out for our interests.
Whoever controls political power controls the oil and the attendants benefits and the north will always do. And one thing about the north is that they are not shy in throwing oil blocs around for their allies if it means a continuous control of the oil. And that is exactly what ndi-igbo should have benefited.
The likes of alakija, adenuga, otedola got oil blocs via being boy-boy to the north.

Mortiple:
Talking about resentment, do we Ndigbo love ourselves more?

Does brotherly love still exist amongst us? Many people (particularly breadwinners) have lost their lives after a quarrel over a piece of land in various parts of Igboland.

ACHA-ERE, NTUTU and BELT are common enchantment in most Igbo communities. A lot of our people feel safer outside Igboland than in Igboland.

Jakpon:
OP, shut up your amala and ewedu smelling mouth. You are a Yoruba coward. You are just using an Igbo name. There is nothing like Niger Delta. PortHarcourt is Igweocha and it belongs to we Igbos

simplycarro:
You will never find an atom of intelligent discussion in any Igbo dominated thread.
The aim and end objective is always to look for the slightest excuse to draw in the Yorubas and turn the whole thread into a theater of the absurd.

DeviIhimself:
we call that internal crises which is everywhere worldwide

what we're talking about here is the hate and resentments of the people we claim to be one Nigeria with.

how can you explain 5% saga
lagoon saga, etc.
bro the problem here is that this people sees us as slaves to the extent of forcing decision on us i mean political decision on us.

in US Republicans opposes Democrats with all hate words and bile but that doesn't make the Democrats more Americans than the Republicans that's unity but in Nigeria you'll be hated, resented, and threatened and they won't hesitate to Lynch you to death (2011 massacre) just because you don't buy the same idea with them so tell me with this only can you say we're better off as a country?

Mortiple:
In all honesty, do NDIGBO love other "people we claim to be one Nigeria with". Many of them hate us, and likewise we hate them, so...?

Ndigbo should stop having this mentality of "WE" against "THEM". I insist that Nigerian economic climate has been more favourable to Ndigbo than any other tribe or ethnicity.

As much as we blame "them" for hating on us, Ndigbo have a lot of issues to deal with themselves. A lot of us are not helping our image.

Afam4eva:
One of the reasons why I don’t support groups such as MASSOB or IPOB is not because I don’t think Igbos or any group for that matter have the right for self-determination. My only worry is the mode through which this is carried out. The truth is that the Biafran dream will remain a pipe dream if the initiators go about it the way they are currently. Apart from the fact that they are not going about it the right way by appealing to those that matter in Igboland and taking their case to the United Nations (UN), the most embarrassing disposition that they have created is one of forcing people who have not given their consent to be included in the Biafran agenda.

The fact that most of the areas known as the Niger Delta were naturally part of the old eastern region and as such were naturally part of the Biafran agitation in the 60s does not mean the same thing holds today. The divide and rule tactics has worked and anybody that can’t see it needs to go for an eye checkup. I’m tired of this whole “We are not Igbo, we are Edo”, “Our ancestors ate Igbo yam and that is why we are Igbo” or the opposing views that portray such desperate disposition that could be mistaken as Hitler’s intended conquering of Europe.

Igbos should fight for their rights and their only. Let’s stop this “SS and SE” BS. This people have oil for Bleep sake. Leave them the heck alone. They don’t want to have anything to do with you. I wonder why you can’t see that. They probably hate you more than the Hausas and the Yorubas that you see as your arch rivals. You have nothing to offer them, so leave them the heck alone.

In my mind, I even think it will make more sense for Igbos to align with other major groups and not minorities. These minorities don’t care about you. They see you as a land grabber. It doesn’t matter whether their names are the same as yours, their mode of thinking and vision is different, so it will serve you well if you focus on your SE affairs and stop romancing people that don’t want to be romanced.

If you are really passionate about getting Biafra whether or not it comes with oil or seaport then you must present your Biafran case as the SE alone. Don’t even include the Asaba area, atleast for now. Present your case as the war ravaged SE that no one can benefit from and the powers that be may change their kind and give it to you. But as long as you keep romancing oil, those Abuja people will not mind being Niger Delta’s father Christmas by sending gun wielding soldiers to teach you a bitter lesson for the second time. A word is enough for the wise.

Afam4eva:
One of the reasons why I don’t support groups such as MASSOB or IPOB is not because I don’t think Igbos or any group for that matter have the right for self-determination. My only worry is the mode through which this is carried out. The truth is that the Biafran dream will remain a pipe dream if the initiators go about it the way they are currently. Apart from the fact that they are not going about it the right way by appealing to those that matter in Igboland and taking their case to the United Nations (UN), the most embarrassing disposition that they have created is one of forcing people who have not given their consent to be included in the Biafran agenda.

The fact that most of the areas known as the Niger Delta were naturally part of the old eastern region and as such were naturally part of the Biafran agitation in the 60s does not mean the same thing holds today. The divide and rule tactics has worked and anybody that can’t see it needs to go for an eye checkup. I’m tired of this whole “We are not Igbo, we are Edo”, “Our ancestors ate Igbo yam and that is why we are Igbo” or the opposing views that portray such desperate disposition that could be mistaken as Hitler’s intended conquering of Europe.

Igbos should fight for their rights and their only. Let’s stop this “SS and SE” BS. This people have oil for Bleep sake. Leave them the heck alone. They don’t want to have anything to do with you. I wonder why you can’t see that. They probably hate you more than the Hausas and the Yorubas that you see as your arch rivals. You have nothing to offer them, so leave them the heck alone.

In my mind, I even think it will make more sense for Igbos to align with other major groups and not minorities. These minorities don’t care about you. They see you as a land grabber. It doesn’t matter whether their names are the same as yours, their mode of thinking and vision is different, so it will serve you well if you focus on your SE affairs and stop romancing people that don’t want to be romanced.

If you are really passionate about getting Biafra whether or not it comes with oil or seaport then you must present your Biafran case as the SE alone. Don’t even include the Asaba area, atleast for now. Present your case as the war ravaged SE that no one can benefit from and the powers that be may change their kind and give it to you. But as long as you keep romancing oil, those Abuja people will not mind being Niger Delta’s father Christmas by sending gun wielding soldiers to teach you a bitter lesson for the second time. A word is enough for the wise.

Jakpon:
OP, shut up your amala and ewedu smelling mouth. You are a Yoruba coward. You are just using an Igbo name. There is nothing like Niger Delta. PortHarcourt is Igweocha and it belongs to we Igbos

Aigbofa:
Your duplicity is clear for everyone to see. Lay off the ogogoro, Just a friendly advice.

Eastlink:
@Afam4Eva, I think you should keep shut when matters as these are discussed. Your myopic thinking has beclouded your sense of reasoning that you sit down comfortable in that your village to type poo. What about us who are stuck in here with the so-called minorities. With what we see here on nairaland and the lies flying the air, one could easily tell that a future Niger-Delta country is a disaster in waiting - with numerous minorities at each others neck. We do not want to be part of it. We rather share a country with people we have historical and linguistic relation with. Its a fact that what is saving the S/S from doom is just the unity of Nigeria.
Nevertheless, even if many of you nitwits from the SE relegate us to our fate, we will never be deterred from fighting for what is ours.

Afam4eva:
[s]One of the reasons why I don’t support groups such as MASSOB or IPOB is not because I don’t think Igbos or any group for that matter have the right for self-determination. My only worry is the mode through which this is carried out. The truth is that the Biafran dream will remain a pipe dream if the initiators go about it the way they are currently. Apart from the fact that they are not going about it the right way by appealing to those that matter in Igboland and taking their case to the United Nations (UN), the most embarrassing disposition that they have created is one of forcing people who have not given their consent to be included in the Biafran agenda.

The fact that most of the areas known as the Niger Delta were naturally part of the old eastern region and as such were naturally part of the Biafran agitation in the 60s does not mean the same thing holds today. The divide and rule tactics has worked and anybody that can’t see it needs to go for an eye checkup. I’m tired of this whole “We are not Igbo, we are Edo”, “Our ancestors ate Igbo yam and that is why we are Igbo” or the opposing views that portray such desperate disposition that could be mistaken as Hitler’s intended conquering of Europe.

Igbos should fight for their rights and their only. Let’s stop this “SS and SE” BS. This people have oil for Bleep sake. Leave them the heck alone. They don’t want to have anything to do with you. I wonder why you can’t see that. They probably hate you more than the Hausas and the Yorubas that you see as your arch rivals. You have nothing to offer them, so leave them the heck alone.

In my mind, I even think it will make more sense for Igbos to align with other major groups and not minorities. These minorities don’t care about you. They see you as a land grabber. It doesn’t matter whether their names are the same as yours, their mode of thinking and vision is different, so it will serve you well if you focus on your SE affairs and stop romancing people that don’t want to be romanced.

If you are really passionate about getting Biafra whether or not it comes with oil or seaport then you must present your Biafran case as the SE alone. Don’t even include the Asaba area, atleast for now. Present your case as the war ravaged SE that no one can benefit from and the powers that be may change their kind and give it to you. But as long as you keep romancing oil, those Abuja people will not mind being Niger Delta’s father Christmas by sending gun wielding soldiers to teach you a bitter lesson for the second time. A word is enough for the wise.[/s]

Mortiple:
Shattap, iwu onye ara!!!

Owu onye kwuo okwu, eriri pant ya adobie?!

Go back where? (Ole ebe ina ala)?

Echem ma inwere ako-na-uche (I thought you have common sense)!

PresidentBuBu:
the ph they are claiming now was built into the city it was by okpara an igbo man and this was even without any oil proceeds.

omenka:
Afam, I thought you are a mod and as such should refrain from taking sides on issues of this nature.

Nevertheless, I think you guys are taking this whole thing too darn serious, heck!!! I can't even believe the things I'm reading.

Mortiple:
Talking about resentment, do we Ndigbo love ourselves more?

Does brotherly love still exist amongst us? Many people (particularly breadwinners) have lost their lives after a quarrel over a piece of land in various parts of Igboland.

ACHA-ERE, igba NTUTU (Pin) and ipia BELT are common enchantment weapons in most Igbo communities. A lot of our people feel safer outside Igboland than in Igboland. In Igboland, there is resentment among states, sub-groups, clans, local govts (within a state), villages (within a community), etc. Not forgetting caste systems that have refused to die natural death.

Ndigbo have sacrificed family values, decency and honesty at the altar of mammon. We have replaced "Ezi afa ka ego" with the manthra "Mgbe onye jili nwe ego, ozaba afa nna ya." In essence, we honour rich drug dealers, kidnappers and people with criminal tendencies at the expense of honest but poor individuals. Ejide ndi na ebu drug mmadu ise, ano na ime ha but Ndigbo!

Nwanne, tell me another thing because I am in touch with Ndigbo and Igboland. I must say that if Ndigbo have 10 problems, we (Ndigbo) are the architects of 9 of them.

Mortiple:
Make no mistake, I am a full-blooded and passionate Igboman and will defend anything Igbo at all cost, if such need arises. However, I do not believe in Biafra; don't want to have anything to do with it and will never be part of it.