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codedguy1:
I now understand!

In the burnthisleaguedown, only Bayern plays to win the league while the rest teams compete for the remaining CL spot.

raumdeuter:
In the past 10yrs Stuttgart, Wolfsburg Dortmund and bayern have won the league

Tell us the number of teams that have won the EPL in that same time frame

coogar:
in the last 11 years,
arsenal, city, chelsea & man utd have won the league. 3 of them have played in UEFA champions league final, 2 of them have won in elite europe.

give us the number of teams in the bundesliga with the same CV in the same time frame. you see, statistics can be manipulated to suit whatever theory you want us to believe.

raumdeuter:
If you extend it to 11yrs then that would add Werder Bremen to it making Bremen, Stuttgart, Dortmund, Wolfsburg and Bayern 5 teams who have won the league vs 4 in the EPL

2 have made the CL finals

raumdeuter:
Different clubs have their reason of playing

Some for the trophy some for top 4 some for mid table and some to avoid relegation

Are Norwich Eibar Sassaulo and Watford playing for the trophy? Are spurs torino sociedad liverpool bilbao Everton playing for the trophy? Is arsenal playing for the trophy

Explain to us how a league is competitive when the top 4 is fixed. 4 positions out of 20. 1/5th of the league

raumdeuter:
If you extend it to 11yrs then that would add Werder Bremen to it making Bremen, Stuttgart, Dortmund, Wolfsburg and Bayern 5 teams who have won the league vs 4 in the EPL

2 have made the CL finals

dopeJemi:
So what you are saying is only bayern play to win the trophy

You have a league were the top four or three teams are fighting for the title and another league were only one team is fighting for the title, which is competitive and which is not?

coogar:
so it's 5-4 to bundesliga

3 have made it in the BPL
and between those 3 clubs, there have been 6 appearances.

how many CL final appearances from bundesliga?

coogar:
in the last 11 years,
arsenal, city, chelsea & man utd have won the league. 3 of them have played in UEFA champions league final, 2 of them have won in elite europe.

give us the number of teams in the bundesliga with the same CV in the same time frame. you see, statistics can be manipulated to suit whatever theory you want us to believe.

tess1:
How did Bremen win the league within the past eleven years?

2004/05 - 2014/15 is eleven years. Within this period:

Bayern - 7 Titles

Dortmund - 2 Titles

Wolfsburg - 1 Title

Stuttgart - 1 Title

tess1:
How did Bremen win the league within the past eleven years?

2004/05 - 2014/15 is eleven years. Within this period:

Bayern - 7 Titles

Dortmund - 2 Titles

Wolfsburg - 1 Title

Stuttgart - 1 Title

AdeLaNa1:
Liverpool might not ve won d league in dat time period. But are we gonna leave out the fact dat Liverpool have also played in two finals and won one of them?

raumdeuter:
CL final appearances 4

raumdeuter:
5 teams have won the trophy in the past 11 yrs. Which shows that multiple teams have won the Buli in the last 10yrs more than the EPL and the Buli keeps changing top 4 due to the competition unlike the static EPL

raumdeuter:
if they have not won the league then whats the point?

In the past 5 yrs Liverpool has made top 4 just once. Thats a worse league record than Schalke, leverkusen Mochengladbach and at par with Wolfsburg

dopeJemi:
Dayo sha, this wasn't what I asked you oh, lemme even follow your own line of the argument

Chelsea- 4

Man united- 5

Man city- 2


Bundesliga

Bayern- 7

Dortmund- 2

Wolfsburg- 1

Stuttgart- 1

Dayo, which is competitive and which is not

AdeLaNa1:
So winning the UCL isn't a big deal because u've not won d league?? Wat kind of nonsense excuse is this?? In the last 11 yrs, can Schalke, leverkusen Mochengladbach, Wolfsburg, Dortmund boast of a UCL trophy??
.

In the 11 yr time frame, UCL has seen 3 EPL winners to Bundesliga's 1. In the last 11 yrs, UCL has seen 4 EPL teams make the final to Bundesliga's 2.

Take it or leave it, EPL has been more succesful than Bundesliga in Europe in the last 11 yrs

raumdeuter:
Definitely the one that has more winners is more competitive which shows that more teams can aspire to win the league than the EPL

raumdeuter:
Definitely the one that has more winners is more competitive which shows that more teams can aspire to win the league than the EPL

coogar:
no!

bayern have won 7 titles in 11.
man utd have won 5 titles in 11.

you have several flash-in-a-pan victors in the last 11 years. city & chelsea have won it multiple times in the last 11 years which means they didn't fluke it.

dopeJemi:
Hahahahahahahaha, it's just like asking you what 2 + 2 will give you and you say 6 knowing fully well it's 4.... pas de probleme

raumdeuter:
You sef think am 4 different winners, 3 different winners. Which is more competitive

raumdeuter:
I was addressing the person who included Arsenal in the mix. If you include Arsenal among the winners then you have to include Bremen

raumdeuter:
How come 4 different teams cant flash in the pan win the EPL like Stuttgart, Wolfsburg have done. This means regardless of how poor they play, The top of the EPL is already decided

raumdeuter:
Different clubs have their reason of playing

Some for the trophy some for top 4 some for mid table and some to avoid relegation

Are Norwich Eibar Sassaulo and Watford playing for the trophy? Are spurs torino sociedad liverpool bilbao Everton playing for the trophy? Is arsenal playing for the trophy

Explain to us how a league is competitive when the top 4 is fixed. 4 positions out of 20. 1/5th of the league

dopeJemi:
If the numbers were close, then we can say the Bundesliga is more competitive, bayern- 7, Wolfsburg, Dortmund and Stuttgart share 4 amongst themselves, how is this a competitive league Dayo... you sef think am

raumdeuter:
Just like Arsenal, Toteenham Everton cant boast of a CL trophy

If the CL was just for Champions alone that means 4 different Buli teams would have gone while only 3 EPL teams would have.

raumdeuter:
The numbers that count is the different winners

In the EPL if you are not one of the privileged 3 you cannot win. Unlike Buli that a Stuttgart a random Wolfsburg can win

Thats compeition not one that the rest of the league are fighting for position 5 -20 even 5 -8 sef is suaully between Spurs, Pool . So the rest of the league are realistically fighting for bottom 12 position

Shey na league be that? try think am

raumdeuter:
In the past 10yrs Stuttgart, Wolfsburg Dortmund and bayern have won the league

Tell us the number of teams that have won the EPL in that same time frame

tess1:
Even at that.

EPL: Man United - 5 = 41.67%; Chelsea - 4 = 33.33%; Man City - 2 = 16.67%; Arsenal - 1= 8.33%

Bundesliga: Bayern - 7 = 58.33%; Dortmund - 21= 16.67%; Wolfsburg - 1 = 8.33%; Stuttgart - 1 = 8.33%; Bremen - 1 = 8.33%

Which is now more competitive? Bayern alone won more than half of the titles during this period whereas there is a fierce competition to win the title in England.

coogar:
fair enough.....
but can 9 be greater than 10?

you still haven't answered the $64,000 question.

dopeJemi:
In the next 5 years we can say bayern will the title 3 or 4 times, but you can't tell in the EPL, now that's competition