dolphinheart:


Bro, I think you are trying to twist my words so as to either find fault with me or to try and confuse others. If you are sincere, pls quote what I said! Not what you think I said. Never said it is " so equipped, neither did I say "not equipped".

Bro, god did not tell them to make images of his number one enemy! Haba!
I'm not angry that you make images, and I've never discussed "images of jesus" with you on these thread. Stop trying to force things on me Bro.

You say I shift the bible, how? Have I said something that we can't find out when we read the scriptures?
I asked you guys, does the use of the image of mary have scriptural backing?
Are there similarities in the use of images as recorded in the scriptures and that of the use of the images of mary?
This questions still await answers.

from what you just said now you don't have problems with images of Jesus but Bible say thou shall not make images.
Secondly between image of Mary and that of the no 1 enemy of God (serpent that Moses erected) which one is meaningful to you?

dolphinheart:


That, I cannot say. But what do I know, I know that the scriptures is completely equipt for every good work. It is suitable for setting things straight!

this is where u said the scriptures is completely equipt (abi scripture is different from Bible?).

Empredboy:
from what you just said now you don't have problems with images of Jesus but Bible say thou shall not make images.

Bro, why are you doing this na, I just told you to stop twisting my words and you are still doing it. I did not tell you that I dnt have issues with the use of the images of jesus, my discussion is, has and will be based on the use of the images of mary! I have not discussed nor will discuss the use of the images of jesus until the use of the images of mary is concluded.

Secondly between image of Mary and that of the no 1 enemy of God (serpent that Moses erected) which one is meaningful to you?

Bro, moses did not erect the image of the number 1 enemy of god. If such incident that occured then(the event that neccessitated the making of the image) should occur now and jehovah has giving a way out, if you prefer to go look at the images of mary cus you feel that the other image is that of an enemy of god, Bro you go just die from snake bite. Obedience is better than sacrifice.

Empredboy:
this is where u said the scriptures is completely equipt (abi scripture is different from Bible?).

Good, did I say "so equipped", did I say " not equipped enough"? .
If I did not say those words, stop ascribing me to them.
If you do not understand what I meant by completely equipped*(corrected), pls ask and don't change my words.

dolphinheart:


Good, did I say "so equipped", did I say " not equipped enough"? .
If I did not say those words, stop ascribing me to them.
If you do not understand what I meant by completely equipped*(corrected), pls ask and don't change my words.

what do u mean by what you said that the scriptures is completely equipt?

Empredboy:
what do u mean by what you said that the scriptures is completely equipt?

It means that the inspired scriptures provides knowledge that can equip or enable us to do all that is good. It can help us to look at things from God’s point of view. And we know that God’s knowledge and wisdom are far above that of anyone else.
It has provided guildlines to all that is needed for salvation.

2 Tim 3:16

dolphinheart:


Good, did I say "so equipped", did I say " not equipped enough"? .
If I did not say those words, stop ascribing me to them.
If you do not understand what I meant by completely equipped*(corrected), pls ask and don't change my words.

Abeg, please don't mind me o. I just want to exercise a little bit of pedantry.

I think when he says 'so equipped' he means the 'so' in the sense of referencing the manner at hand. Like when you might say 'thus equipped'.


in the manner now being indicated or exemplified; in this way.
"she rang up Susan, and while she was thus engaged Chignell summoned the doctor"
synonyms: like this/that, in this/that way, in this/that manner, in this/that fashion, so, like so; More
3.

so the 'so' is still referring to the 'completely'. It is like someone says, 'John is coming'. Then someone else says,' oh, He is coming?'.

Then the first guy retorts that he didn't say 'He is coming' he said 'JOHN is coming'. As long as the He is referring to John there is no problem.

As long as 'so equipped' is a reference to 'completely equipped' there is no problem.

it is equipped so. How so? completely so.

Now I have another question. Would any of us say that the Church is completely equipped for salvation?

You do realise that the Blessed Virgin Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant, right?

And before you say anything, read Revelations chapter 11 from verse 18 to Chapter 12 verse 4.

Also, Read the Scriptures quoted below concerning the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Ark of the Covenant.

God the Holy Spirit overshadowed and then indwelled the
Ark. The Ark became the dwelling place of the presence of
God [ Exodus 40:34-35 ]
God the Holy Spirit overshadowed and then indwelled
Mary. At that time Mary's womb became the dwelling
place of the presence of God [ Luke 1:35 ].

The Ark contained the Ten Commandments [the words of
God in stone], a pot of manna, and Aaron's rod that
came back to life [ Deuteronomy 10:3-5 ; Hebrews 9:4 ].
The womb of the Virgin contained Jesus: the living Word
of God enfleshed, the living bread from heaven, "the
Branch" (Messianic title) who would die but come back to
life [ Luke 1:35 ].

The Ark traveled to the hill country of Judah to rest in the
house of Obed-edom [ 2 Samuel 6:1-11 ]
Mary traveled to the hill country of Judah (Judea) to the
home of Elizabeth [ Luke 1:39 ].

Dressed in a priestly ephod, King David approached the
Ark and danced and leapt for joy [ 2 Samuel 6:14 ].
John the Baptist, son of a priest who would himself
becomes a priest, leapt for joy in Elizabeth's womb at the
approach of Mary [ Luke 1:43 ].

David shouted for joy in the presence of God and the holy
Ark [ 2 Samuel 6:15 ]
Elizabeth exclaimed with a loud cry of joy in the prescience
God within Mary [ Luke 1:42 ].

David asked, "How is it that the Ark of the Lord comes to
me?" [ 2 Samuel 6:9 ]
Elizabeth asks, "Why is this granted unto me, that the
mother of my Lord should come to me?" [ Luke 1:43 ].

The Ark remained in the house of Obed-edom for 3
months [ 2 Samuel 6:11 ]
Mary remained in the house of her cousin Elizabeth for 3
months [ Luke 1:56 ].

The house of Obed-edom was blessed by the presence of
the Ark [ 2 Samuel 6:11 ]
The word "blessed" is used 3 times in Luke 1:39-45
concerning Mary at Elizabeth's house.

The Ark returned to its sanctuary and eventually ends up
in Jerusalem where the presence and glory of God is
revealed in the newly built Temple [ 2 Samuel 6:12 ; 1
Kings 8:9-11 ]
Mary returned home from visiting Elizabeth and
eventually comes to Jerusalem, where she presents God
the Son in the Temple [ Luke 1:56 ; 2:21-22 ].

God made Aaron's rod (which would be kept in the Ark)
return to life and budded to prove he was the legitimate
High Priest [ Numbers 17:8 ].
God would resurrect His Son, who had become enfleshed
in Mary's womb and born to bring salvation to all
mankind, to prove He is the eternal High Priest [ Hebrews
4:14 ].

When the Ark was outside the Holy of Holies [when it was
being transported] it was to be covered with a blue veil
[ Numbers 4:4-6 ]
In Mary's appearances outside of heaven visionaries
testify that she wears a blue veil.

In Revelation 11:19 John sees the Ark of the Covenant in
heaven [this is the last verse of chapter 11]
In Revelation 12:1 John sees Mary in heaven. It is the
same vision Juan Diego saw of Mary in 1531 — the
Woman clothed with the sun and standing on the moon.

PastorAIO:



Abeg, please don't mind me o. I just want to exercise a little bit of pedantry.

I think when he says 'so equipped' he means the 'so' in the sense of referencing the manner at hand. Like when you might say 'thus equipped'.


in the manner now being indicated or exemplified; in this way.
"she rang up Susan, and while she was thus engaged Chignell summoned the doctor"
synonyms: like this/that, in this/that way, in this/that manner, in this/that fashion, so, like so; More
3.

so the 'so' is still referring to the 'completely'. It is like someone says, 'John is coming'. Then someone else says,' oh, He is coming?'.

Then the first guy retorts that he didn't say 'He is coming' he said 'JOHN is coming'. As long as the He is referring to John there is no problem.

As long as 'so equipped' is a reference to 'completely equipped' there is no problem.

it is equipped so. How so? completely so.

Now I have another question. Would any of us say that the Church is completely equipped for salvation?

Pls what is the church?

dolphinheart:


Pls what is the church?

The people that Jesus called out of the world.

I stumbled on this thread this evening and i must thank the op and all that contributed especially d Catholics(Italo, ub, karxim etc), pastor(i dont know ur church but ur highly enlihtened), Dolphinheart(Jehovah Witness) etc. thank you. Pls Mr Dolphin try to write God with d capital G not g as god. Goodnite all

PastorAIO:


The people that Jesus called out of the world.

If by church, you mean the organization/body of those jesus called out to the world, the scriptures is a guide to how that organization or congregation should operate. It gives them the experience, teachings and process of organization and responsibility and tells them how the holy spirit will help the organization and give gift in men.

lacum:
I stumbled on this thread this evening and i must thank the op and all that contributed especially d Catholics(Italo, ub, karxim etc), pastor(i dont know ur church but ur highly enlihtened), Dolphinheart(Jehovah Witness) etc. thank you. Pls Mr Dolphin try to write God with d capital G not g as god. Goodnite all

Ok ill try to, just felt that doing so all the time, is to conform with the style used by those who removed gods name during translation. But I think ill agree with ur request, and use it when making reference to the almighty God .

dolphinheart:


If by church, you mean the organization/body of those jesus called out to the world, the scriptures is a guide to how that organization or congregation should operate. It gives them the experience, teachings and process of organization and responsibility and tells them how the holy spirit will help the organization and give gift in men.

When the body called Church was formed we are told the following:

When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

Jesus didn't mention anything about bible.

Furthermore we read in Joel:
“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions.



What in your opinion is the status of such inspirations of the holy spirit in the church? Is it less that what you read in your bible text?

Do you believe that the church has the Holy Spirit and that it was given to the church as a guide?

When the apostles introduced doctrines to the church, how do you gauge the validity of the inspiration? Is it less than or greater than your bible text?

PastorAIO:



When the body called Church was formed we are told the following:

When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

This was before the scriptures of the new testament written by the followers of jesus
.
After it guided them to the truth, they wrote these truth down.
All that is beneficial was written down.
Even the reason why they had the truth in them, that the holy spirit guided them , was written down. If it was not written down in the scriptures, you wunt be quoting it in ur post. So the inspired scriptures is fully equipped.
You know why God did it this way, so that in the future some people will not form an organization and start spewing false doctrines while claiming its from the holy spirit. If it does not go along with what the spirit had guided the apostles to write down , then it is false.

Jesus didn't mention anything about bible.

The holy spirit guided them to know what they should do, jesus did not need to tell them about the bible.

Furthermore we read in Joel:
“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions.

Even this was written down, so that when it happens we wunt be confused and Satan wunt have a chance to confuse things, and even if he does, we will know how to search for the truth. With the scriptures
We can know if ur prophecy, miracle, healing, words, are true or not. The catholic church wants to take this power away from the scriptures cus it exposes and falsify some of their doctrines.

What in your opinion is the status of such inspirations of the holy spirit in the church? Is it less that what you read in your bible text?

I do not understand ur question.



Do you believe that the church has the Holy Spirit and that it was given to the church as a guide?

When the apostles introduced doctrines to the church, how do you gauge the validity of the inspiration? Is it less than or greater than your bible text?



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dolphinheart:


Pictures dnt lie Bro, at least not during those days. Wish I could post the pictures here .

alamoministries.com/content/english/Antichrist/nazigallery/photogallery.html

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm


Irrelevant question, finding the Protestant guilty does not make the catholic innocent!. Both where guilty of participating in the war, whichever side they are on.

Both members were known to participate and kill each other in wars after the second word war.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

Go and read it , or do you want me to quote some parts out?

I said quote a sentence from POPE, you brought websites as if the website's views are different from that of the owner.

Using 21st century picture to support 20th century events
#laughable

Did the Church come before the bible or did the Bible come before the Church?



Before you answer, remember that Saul was persecuting the Church before he became the Paul that wrote some of the books in the bible.

Kamxin:

I said quote a sentence from POPE, you brought websites as if the website's views are different from that of the owner.

The websites supported their views with pictures of known members of ur church frolicking with the people that caused millions of death, or are you saying that those pictures are not real.
It is a fact that some members of the church participated in these killings and some blessed such killers .
Did the pope take action against such people?
Where they expelled from the church?
Did the church stop associating with such one?
As long as the church allowed them to still be members while they continue to so such atrocities, it means the church supports there actions. No matter how much the church condemn the actions of the war, I see it as gimmick, a publicity stunt that does not reach the heart of its members.

Using 21st century picture to support 20th century events
#laughable

Those pictures where taken as at when the event occured or where occuring. What did the church do after it occured?

dolphinheart:

The websites supported their views with pictures of known members of ur church frolicking with the people that caused millions of death, or are you saying that those pictures are not real.
It is a fact that some members of the church participated in these killings and some blessed such killers .
Did the pope take action against such people?
Where they expelled from the church?
Did the church stop associating with such one?
As long as the church allowed them to still be members while they continue to so such atrocities, it means the church supports there actions. No matter how much the church condemn the actions of the war, I see it as gimmick, a publicity stunt that does not reach the heart of its members.


Those pictures where taken as at when the event occured or where occuring. What did the church do after it occured?

One sentence is too much for you to support your claim? Keep beating around the bush.
Secondly, digital coloured images from second world war is a fallacy.

Kamxin:

One sentence is too much for you to support your claim? Keep beating around the bush.

Those pictures where not beating about the bush. Claims plenty, that's why it is not giving in one sentence.

Secondly, digital coloured images from second world war is a fallacy.

You might be right, but those pictures are not digital, neither where they all coloured.

italo3:


E don they wey you read Joshua 7:6 where Joshua and all Israelites prostrated before images with God's approval.

You only choose to read the parts of the Bible you can misinterpret.

Bro, you call the ark of God images.

italo3:


The ark was an image of a house that contained images of angels...and God approved prostration before it.

Why can't Catholics do the same?

If i may ask sir, where in the bible did you get that? No offence sir

xcelentattitude:

Bro, you call the ark of God images.

Read Ex25:10-22, then tell me if the Ark, mercy seat and Cherubim are real Ark, mercy seat and Cherubim...or the are images of real ones.

Thank you.

dolphinheart:

Those pictures where not beating about the bush. Claims plenty, that's why it is not giving in one sentence.

You might be right, but those pictures are not digital, neither where they all coloured.

Bring on a picture of Amaechi laughing with Jonathan form a website operated by their enemies to support a claim that they are people of like mind. Websites that doesn't worth a sachet of water, keep deceiving yourself.

So far as you can't present a sentence to support yourself forget about it.

Kamxin:


Bring on a picture of Amaechi laughing with Jonathan form a website operated by their enemies to support a claim that they are people of like mind. Websites that doesn't worth a sachet of water, keep deceiving yourself.

So far as you can't present a sentence to support yourself forget about it.

Catholic clergy, action speaks louder than words.

dolphinheart:


The church is not held responsible for the sins of individual members even if it does not condemn such sins. The church is judged based on what it does with or the actions it takes before or after the individual members sin .

Now the question is, did the church as a body order the killings of people?
Did they condemn the atrocities mentioned?
What did they do to the member(s) who committed the sin .?
What happens to the church if it allows sin to creep in

the church did condemn d nazis!
Are u aware dat every abled man at 18 was immediately and forcefully conscripted into d army? Since ur idea is to punish every sinner, how do u punish d youth forced into a war he neither asked for or agree to?

U like to see everything as black and white even wen most times dat isnt realistic.

dolphinheart:


Catholic clergy, action speaks louder than words.

sorry dear, one pic is a bishop in a nazi background, d other are prelates in germany. What does dat prove?

dolphinheart:


This was before the scriptures of the new testament written by the followers of jesus
.
After it guided them to the truth, they wrote these truth down.
All that is beneficial was written down.
Even the reason why they had the truth in them, that the holy spirit guided them , was written down. If it was not written down in the scriptures, you wunt be quoting it in ur post. So the inspired scriptures is fully equipped.
You know why God did it this way, so that in the future some people will not form an organization and start spewing false doctrines while claiming its from the holy spirit. If it does not go along with what the spirit had guided the apostles to write down , then it is false.

The holy spirit guided them to know what they should do, jesus did not need to tell them about the bible.


Even this was written down, so that when it happens we wunt be confused and Satan wunt have a chance to confuse things, and even if he does, we will know how to search for the truth. With the scriptures
We can know if ur prophecy, miracle, healing, words, are true or not. The catholic church wants to take this power away from the scriptures cus it exposes and falsify some of their doctrines.

Am I to understand that you are saying that we don't need the holy spirit any more cos he has guided us into all truth which was subsequently written down and all we now need is in the text?

PastorAIO:


Am I to understand that you are saying that we don't need the holy spirit any more cos he has guided us into all truth which was subsequently written down and all we now need is in the text?

Nop, just saying that all man requires for salvation was written down so that in the future, no man or group of men can come up and bring a doctrine or teaching claiming its from the holy spirit talking to him or them. With the scriptures we can know fake holy spirit from real holy spirit. You and I do know that a lot of people do claim that the holy spirit is showing them things. Some na only disaster e dey show them .

Ubenedictus:
the church did condemn d nazis!
Are u aware dat every abled man at 18 was immediately and forcefully conscripted into d army? Since ur idea is to punish every sinner, how do u punish d youth forced into a war he neither asked for or agree to?

U like to see everything as black and white even wen most times dat isnt realistic.

Pls answer my questions in colour.

dolphinheart:

Nop, just saying that all man requires for salvation was written down so that in the future, no man or group of men can come up and bring a doctrine or teaching claiming its from the holy spirit talking to him or them. With the scriptures we can know fake holy spirit from real holy spirit. You and I do know that a lot of people do claim that the holy spirit is showing them things. Some na only disaster e dey show them .

Is the Bible perfect, true and divinely inspired?

If yes, what does that say about the Catholic Church who wrote, compiled and preserved it even under persecution?

A bad tree cannot bring Good fruit.