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Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by Nobody: 8:28pm On Nov 05, 2015

runzlord:
I know they broke the law and should be punished but the fine is outrageous! Is now legally stealing from MTN! Which kind financial strength, e be like say you no know watin be 1.3 trillion.

See it just like telling a child that if he steals meat from the pot he would be flogged 20 lashes. Now that the child committed the offence, his or her excuse is that he was hungry. The same scenario apply here. The father is NCC and the son is MTN. The penalty of 20 lashes can be liken to N1.3 trillion naira.

Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by Nobody: 9:01pm On Nov 05, 2015

ollah1:
Some people would just come on board and type nonsense without thinking. The fine on MTN is pretty simple. They signed it alongside other service providers that each sim would 200k should incase the rule is bent.
MTN didn't only bent it but also did it to 5 million sims. Now do the maths , 200,000 x 5 million = the fine. NCC didn't just script up a figure for them
This is country where
Terrorism is on the rise
Kidnapping is on the rise
And so many bad things which bad guys use these sims for yet some are pitying them.
The company that doesn't even pity you.
Rules are rules
Would they have done this in SA? U shld answer that with all honesty .
It's no more business as usual
THERE IS A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN!!

asuustrike2009:
NCC as a regulatory commission stated so. Visit their website for info about the penalties and fines

Oya begin to read!!!

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The Nigerian Communications Commission (NCC), in a late March report of its Compliance Monitoring Enforcement, published on its website, restated its commitment to monitor all significant matters relating to the performance of all licensed telecoms service providers as specified in Section 89 of the Nigerian Communication Act 2003. In an end of 2014 report, the Department listed six enforcement items on which the Commission gave approval for implementation. They include SIM registration, frequency interference, illegal operation, promotion and lottery, telephone billing, and cybercafé operation. Consequently, interference on Nigerian Liquefied Natural Gas Ltd, (NLNGL), and assigned radio frequency was traced to a microwave link deployed by INTELS Nigeria Limited. The Commission therefore directed INTELS to shut down the offending equipment failing which appropriate action would be considered against the Company. INTELS is an integrated logistics solution provider based in the Port Harcourt area and it is common knowledge that it owned by Atiku Abubakar, a former Vice President of Nigeria. NLNGL also operates in the Port Harcourt and Bonny axis for its major operations. In a similar development, NCC said in the Compliance Monitoring Enforcement report for Quarter4, 2013 that it discovered that Space Multimedia Telecoms Limited was involved in the provision of certain telecoms services including Vehicular Tracking Services, Internet Services, Sales and Installation of telecoms equipment without the necessary authorization from the Commission.

www.ncc.gov.ng/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1396:daily-independent-2nd-may-2014-ncc-tightens-compliance-monitoring&catid=86:cat-mediapr-headlines

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Part II

Monitoring and reporting

89. – (1) The Commission shall monitor all significant matters relating to the performance of all licensees and publish annual reports thereon at the end of each financial year of the Commission.

(2) In performing its functions under subsection (1) of this section, the Commission shall – use any of its powers under this Chapter and in particular but without limitation, its powers of investigation and information-gathering pursuant to Parts III and IV of this Chapter; and have regard to such industry performance indicators as the Commission considers appropriate.

(3) Matters upon which the Commission shall monitor and report include but are not limited to the following - the operation and administration of this Act and its subsidiary legislation; the efficiency in which licensees provide facilities and services; the quality of services; industry statistics generally including but not limited to service provisioning, traffic patterns, industry operators, etc; the tariff rates and charges paid by consumers for
services; the development of industry self-regulation; the adequacy and availability of services in all parts of Nigeria; any deficiencies in the scope or operation of this Act and its subsidiary legislation; and other matters that the Commission is satisfied are relevant.

(4) The Commission shall publish the report, in the manner it deems appropriate, provided that it is made publicly available.

Section 89 of the Nigerian Communication Act 2003 - www.nigeria-law.org/Nigerian%20Communications%20Commission%20Act%202003.htm

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Nigerian Communications Commission, NCC, yesterday ordered all Global System for Mobile Communication, GSM, operators to deactivate all pre-registered SIM cards within seven days or face severe sanctions. The directive was part of decisions taken at a meeting in Abuja between Office of the National Security Adviser, NSA, Department of State Services, DSS, network operators and NCC. The directive was part of government’s efforts to tackle incessant occurrences of threats via telecommunications networks and the danger they portend for the psyche of the citizenry and the country. A statement by NCC’s Director, Public Affairs, Mr. Tony Ojobo, indicated that the meeting took into cognizance crimes committed against members of the public either by kidnappers, terrorists, robbers and threats to lives through the use of such unregistered SIM cards across all the networks. The SIM cards to be deactivated include all SIM cards without or improperly captured facial pictures and or finger-prints. Affected subscribers are to be notified to regularize their registrations. Ojobo clarified further that henceforth, all registrations must conform to the data dictionary, technical specifications on finger prints, facial images and the business rule agreed by all stakeholders. He stated that the meeting also resolved that
operators will be held liable for cases of pre- registered SIMs, and that earlier grace of 21 days given by NCC has lapsed, noting that the Commission has commenced monitoring since Monday, August 3, 2015.

www.ncc.gov.ng/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1740:leadership-august-7-2015-gsm-operators-get-7-day-ultimatum-to-deactivate-pre-registered-sim-cards&catid=86:cat-mediapr-headlines

leadership.ng/business/452003/ncc-gives-operators-7-days-to-deactivate-pre-registered-sim-cards

Oya show me 200k per sim or 1.3 trillion.

Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by Nobody: 10:38pm On Nov 05, 2015

runzlord:
Which law? Which constitution is it stated?

it's not in Nigeria constitution per say. each industry has a regulatory commission that regulate them and it's back up by an act.
read this act on sim card registration.
it's contained in pdf document below
go to paragraph 4 part 4

Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by symbianDON(m): 11:04pm On Nov 05, 2015

Naijji:
I don't think any reasonable court will uphold that fine. How can you fine a company MORE THAN its annual revenue (not profit oh, entire revenue)? That's unheard of. Companies abroad are threatened that they might be fined up to 20% of their revenue if they do something really bad, but it rarely happens.

well rules are rules and shouldn't be flouted. mtn KNEW the full consequences of non-compliance but still acted irresponsibly.

Also, most times companies are heavily fined for hurting their customers (and part of the fine is usually paid to the customers). This time, mtn was fined for not disconnecting some of us. And yet we're happy?

wrong! technically, those who refused to register their SIMs shouldn't be on the network in the first place. you and i know what grave implications can arise if a warped mind is in the possession of an unidentifiable SIM. really there is no us here.

If the govt is seeking for ways to raise funds, let us be informed. A single company is fined an amount that is greater than Nigeria's annual capital expenditure!

the fine didn't arise out of nowhere...it was a calculated amount. besides, NCC isn't trying to 'raise funds' otherwise other network carriers would have been fined too. remember, all other carriers complied to an extent so they weren't fined but mtn didn't comply at all! it tells how much mtn regards nigerian laws.

I don't think anyone is saying mtn shouldn't be fined, but any fine must be proportionate to a host of factors. This is like expecting someone to pay a fine of N500k for urinating (like it's threatened in many places).

why urinate where you have been clearly told that your action will set you back by N500k if you aren't ready to bear the consequence of your action??

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Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by ddjay: 3:31am On Nov 06, 2015

runzlord:
Just my opinion.

I feel very sad about the issue, and more sad is the way people are talking. I read through the comments of the south african law maker worries and its just sad.

Yes I support Mtn being fined if the broke the law but the fine is too much! It no longer a thing of they broke the law, its now a thing of because it is a south african company, and I see people saying Dstv is next. My question is, would giving them heavy fines make them a better company than they are now? Or would it make them provide better service? Let's be reasonable.
If it was Glo it happened too, would you put all the so much effort you are putting now to make sure they pay? No. because its a nigerian company.
and someone said "south african the home of xenophobia" well, xenophobia means the fear of foreigners. If you ask me, this is the same reason we want mtn to pay these fines! The same reason we want dstv to leave. Xenophobia is the f'in reason for "ghana must go" xenophobia started the civil(biafra) war cos of the fear of igbos in the north who were murdered before igbos decided to cut out of the country, then the war began! So my friend we are not "holy" we need to stop all these! If we claim these south african companies don't offer good services, we should make them to do so not ask them to pay fines. Why did NCC , not say MTN should offer free calls to Nigerians for a day instead? Too me it sounds like "eh en this foreign people don enter our trap today, we go show them pepper" and this is called "wickedness". then excuses everywhere of why they must pay the fine on one of those many excuses is they make so much money of nigerians, I don't get, is the services they offer suppose to be free? You claim they make so much off nigerians? Well the last time I check they have the cheapest calls! And you guys don't consider how much they spend in running a network in a country like Nigeria where there is no light! So every single mast (which there are thousands in this country as they cover the widest range) is powered by diesel generator 24/7. Now take a second and calculate how much they spend.

If they did not care about their customers, it would not be a big deal to cut them off. Etisalat rates are not cheaper, airtel network service is poor, Glo is not better than MTN in anyway! They do not deserve to be treated the way they are. It is unfair!

If they must be fined, the fine is too much! NCC should reduce it and stop treating them that way simply because its a south african company because it is not because they broke the rule at all.

One more thing, if they pay the money, where does it go too? Into NCC leaders pocket?

Just my opinion.

service providers and ncc met and agreed on the fine if defaulted,what is surprising is mtn's deliberate refusal to obey the disconnection directive.even adenuga of glo cannot do this in another country

Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by LordReed(m): 10:12am On Nov 06, 2015

As far as I am concerned this OP is the standard definition of troll. So of all the articles explaining why MTN is being fined the only thing you could pick up is that MTN is being fined because it is a South African company? Such crap! MTN as a signatory understood the ramifications of failing but your rise to their defense is based on how unfair it is, what utter rubbish!

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Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by OCTAVO: 5:47pm On Nov 06, 2015

@OP, there was a treaty! All the Telecoms companies signed it. MTN broke an agreement they signed, why should they not pay? You are mixing things up here!
They were aware of the amount involved before they signed and as well broke the law. You coming here to say the fine levied on them is heavy is unjustified! A RULE IS A RULE.

Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by Acidosis(m): 8:34pm On Nov 06, 2015

This greed and show of shame will certainly scare potential investors.

Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by Nsonaso(m): 11:30pm On Nov 06, 2015*

feldido:
Do you know MTN also signed and agreed to the fine of 200k on violation of allowing each unregistered SIM on their network?
Do you know the security implications of MTN 's deliberate act of keeping those lines?
Do you know MTN can be charged for Terrorism?

Think well before Talking.

And in your whole mind, it's only MTN that allowed unregistered SIM on their network? Even if there are, is that enough reason why they should pay half of Nigerian yearly budget? Let call a spade a spade, it's not fair..... Imagine it's your father's or your own company?

Each every one of us have our short comings
One NIGERIA

Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by Nsonaso(m): 11:56pm On Nov 06, 2015

Just my opinion.

I feel very sad about the issue, and more sad is the way people are talking. I read through the comments of the south african law maker worries and its just sad.

Yes I support Mtn being fined if the broke the law but the fine is too much! It no longer a thing of they broke the law, its now a thing of because it is a south african company, and I see people saying Dstv is next. My question is, would giving them heavy fines make them a better company than they are now? Or would it make them provide better service? Let's be reasonable.
If it was Glo it happened too, would you put all the so much effort you are putting now to make sure they pay? No. because its a nigerian company.
and someone said "south african the home of xenophobia" well, xenophobia means the fear of foreigners. If you ask me, this is the same reason we want mtn to pay these fines! The same reason we want dstv to leave. Xenophobia is the f'in reason for "ghana must go" xenophobia started the civil(biafra) war cos of the fear of igbos in the north who were murdered before igbos decided to cut out of the country, then the war began! So my friend we are not "holy" we need to stop all these! If we claim these south african companies don't offer good services, we should make them to do so not ask them to pay fines. Why did NCC , not say MTN should offer free calls to Nigerians for a day instead? Too me it sounds like "eh en this foreign people don enter our trap today, we go show them pepper" and this is called "wickedness". then excuses everywhere of why they must pay the fine on one of those many excuses is they make so much money of nigerians, I don't get, is the services they offer suppose to be free? You claim they make so much off nigerians? Well the last time I check they have the cheapest calls! And you guys don't consider how much they spend in running a network in a country like Nigeria where there is no light! So every single mast (which there are thousands in this country as they cover the widest range) is powered by diesel generator 24/7. Now take a second and calculate how much they spend.

If they did not care about their customers, it would not be a big deal to cut them off. Etisalat rates are not cheaper, airtel network service is poor, Glo is not better than MTN in anyway! They do not deserve to be treated the way they are. It is unfair!

If they must be fined, the fine is too much! NCC should reduce it and stop treating them that way simply because its a south african company because it is not because they broke the rule at all.

One more thing, if they pay the money, where does it go too? Into NCC leaders pocket?

Just my opinion.

Bro I didn't read your story.... But I still stand by you it's really unfair... I don't see why MTN will be charged half of Nigerian yearly budget, it's really outrageous

Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by Nsonaso(m): 12:04am On Nov 07, 2015

OCTAVO:
@OP, there was a treaty! All the Telecoms companies signed it. MTN broke an agreement they signed, why should they not pay? You are mixing things up here!
They were aware of the amount involved before they signed and as well broke the law. You coming here to say the fine levied on them is heavy is unjustified! A RULE IS A RULE.

is that why they should be fined half of Nigerian yearly budget... Is outrageous Bro. Imagine it's your father's or your own company?

Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by Nobody: 7:11am On Nov 07, 2015

I thought so too until I borrowed #500 from mtn yesterday and they removed it without me making a single call. All efforts to reach their yeye customer care was zero.

Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by Misterlaby: 7:12am On Nov 07, 2015

The dummy head finally deactivated after so much bombarding on phone section..

Haha haha cheesy

Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by feldido(m): 9:28am On Nov 07, 2015

Nsonaso:
And in your whole mind, it's only MTN that allowed unregistered SIM on their network? Even if there are, is that enough reason why they should pay half of Nigerian yearly budget? Let call a spade a spade, it's not fair..... Imagine it's your father's or your own company?

Each every one of us have our short comings
One NIGERIA

Guy think before you talk.

MTN and all Telcos accepted the fine on defaulters a year ago, N200,000 per an unregistered line.
They deserve all they've gotten, if they think otherwise let them go to court and see if the fine won't increase.

Mtn is too greedy to let go those lines cos of d meager gain, now they're paying for their sins.

Have you ever thought of why they are being instead of defending themselves? undecided

Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by LordReed(m): 11:14am On Nov 07, 2015

Nsonaso:
Bro I didn't read your story.... But I still stand by you it's really unfair... I don't see why MTN will be charged half of Nigerian yearly budget, it's really outrageous

You and twenty of your friends went out to drink on your tab and in the process incurred a bill of 100k then you refuse claiming unfairness by the proprietor, is that how things work?

Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by miqos02(m): 2:11pm On Nov 07, 2015

Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by ddjay: 4:02am On Nov 09, 2015

Just my opinion.

I feel very sad about the issue, and more sad is the way people are talking. I read through the comments of the south african law maker worries and its just sad.

Yes I support Mtn being fined if the broke the law but the fine is too much! It no longer a thing of they broke the law, its now a thing of because it is a south african company, and I see people saying Dstv is next. My question is, would giving them heavy fines make them a better company than they are now? Or would it make them provide better service? Let's be reasonable.
If it was Glo it happened too, would you put all the so much effort you are putting now to make sure they pay? No. because its a nigerian company.
and someone said "south african the home of xenophobia" well, xenophobia means the fear of foreigners. If you ask me, this is the same reason we want mtn to pay these fines! The same reason we want dstv to leave. Xenophobia is the f'in reason for "ghana must go" xenophobia started the civil(biafra) war cos of the fear of igbos in the north who were murdered before igbos decided to cut out of the country, then the war began! So my friend we are not "holy" we need to stop all these! If we claim these south african companies don't offer good services, we should make them to do so not ask them to pay fines. Why did NCC , not say MTN should offer free calls to Nigerians for a day instead? Too me it sounds like "eh en this foreign people don enter our trap today, we go show them pepper" and this is called "wickedness". then excuses everywhere of why they must pay the fine on one of those many excuses is they make so much money of nigerians, I don't get, is the services they offer suppose to be free? You claim they make so much off nigerians? Well the last time I check they have the cheapest calls! And you guys don't consider how much they spend in running a network in a country like Nigeria where there is no light! So every single mast (which there are thousands in this country as they cover the widest range) is powered by diesel generator 24/7. Now take a second and calculate how much they spend.

If they did not care about their customers, it would not be a big deal to cut them off. Etisalat rates are not cheaper, airtel network service is poor, Glo is not better than MTN in anyway! They do not deserve to be treated the way they are. It is unfair!

If they must be fined, the fine is too much! NCC should reduce it and stop treating them that way simply because its a south african company because it is not because they broke the rule at all.

One more thing, if they pay the money, where does it go too? Into NCC leaders pocket?

Just my opinion.

Please read https://www.nairaland.com/2721213/mtn-must-respect-laws-host
It's like some Nigerias like to beg for money by leaking with their tongues.for Gods sake mtn violated an order and was fined.simple.even their vp knows this

Re: The Fine Given To MTN Is Unfair by 4llerbuntu(m): 7:29am On Nov 09, 2015

Funny thing is that it's mtn that made this news public precisely to manipulate and coerce NCC.

As it is its likely others got fines, but obviously much lower as they didn't have as many lines contravening the law and they have wisely chosen to keep quiet about it.

So far all the arguments being put up have been sentimental. Unfortunately sentiment will do u no good. I'm very sure they could have negotiated this fine quietly and gotten away with much lower. But in the same attitude that they have put up for years they decided to be arrogant.

Anyway like I've said, if u think it's unfair, help them to pay it. By the time 1 million Nigerians contribute 500 naira each, e go reach somewhere. Since you are so concerned about them.

Na una type dey drink for bar finish come dey contest the price of the beer

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