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Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by Empredboy(m): 9:41am On Nov 06, 2015 |
dolphinheart:from what you just said now you don't have problems with images of Jesus but Bible say thou shall not make images. Secondly between image of Mary and that of the no 1 enemy of God (serpent that Moses erected) which one is meaningful to you? |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by Empredboy(m): 9:46am On Nov 06, 2015 |
dolphinheart:this is where u said the scriptures is completely equipt (abi scripture is different from Bible?). |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by dolphinheart(m): 10:12am On Nov 06, 2015 |
Empredboy:Bro, why are you doing this na, I just told you to stop twisting my words and you are still doing it. I did not tell you that I dnt have issues with the use of the images of jesus, my discussion is, has and will be based on the use of the images of mary! I have not discussed nor will discuss the use of the images of jesus until the use of the images of mary is concluded. Secondly between image of Mary and that of the no 1 enemy of God (serpent that Moses erected) which one is meaningful to you?Bro, moses did not erect the image of the number 1 enemy of god. If such incident that occured then(the event that neccessitated the making of the image) should occur now and jehovah has giving a way out, if you prefer to go look at the images of mary cus you feel that the other image is that of an enemy of god, Bro you go just die from snake bite. Obedience is better than sacrifice. |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by dolphinheart(m): 10:17am On Nov 06, 2015 |
Empredboy: Good, did I say "so equipped", did I say " not equipped enough"? . If I did not say those words, stop ascribing me to them. If you do not understand what I meant by completely equipped*(corrected), pls ask and don't change my words. |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by Empredboy(m): 10:21am On Nov 06, 2015 |
dolphinheart:what do u mean by what you said that the scriptures is completely equipt? |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by dolphinheart(m): 2:41pm On Nov 06, 2015 |
Empredboy: It means that the inspired scriptures provides knowledge that can equip or enable us to do all that is good. It can help us to look at things from God’s point of view. And we know that God’s knowledge and wisdom are far above that of anyone else. It has provided guildlines to all that is needed for salvation. 2 Tim 3:16 |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by PastorAIO: 3:38pm On Nov 06, 2015 |
dolphinheart: Abeg, please don't mind me o. I just want to exercise a little bit of pedantry. I think when he says 'so equipped' he means the 'so' in the sense of referencing the manner at hand. Like when you might say 'thus equipped'. in the manner now being indicated or exemplified; in this way. "she rang up Susan, and while she was thus engaged Chignell summoned the doctor" synonyms: like this/that, in this/that way, in this/that manner, in this/that fashion, so, like so; More 3. so the 'so' is still referring to the 'completely'. It is like someone says, 'John is coming'. Then someone else says,' oh, He is coming?'. Then the first guy retorts that he didn't say 'He is coming' he said 'JOHN is coming'. As long as the He is referring to John there is no problem. As long as 'so equipped' is a reference to 'completely equipped' there is no problem. it is equipped so. How so? completely so. Now I have another question. Would any of us say that the Church is completely equipped for salvation? |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by Jolliano: 3:50pm On Nov 06, 2015 |
You do realise that the Blessed Virgin Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant, right? And before you say anything, read Revelations chapter 11 from verse 18 to Chapter 12 verse 4. |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by Jolliano: 4:04pm On Nov 06, 2015 |
Also, Read the Scriptures quoted below concerning the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Ark of the Covenant. God the Holy Spirit overshadowed and then indwelled the Ark. The Ark became the dwelling place of the presence of God [ Exodus 40:34-35 ] God the Holy Spirit overshadowed and then indwelled Mary. At that time Mary's womb became the dwelling place of the presence of God [ Luke 1:35 ]. The Ark contained the Ten Commandments [the words of God in stone], a pot of manna, and Aaron's rod that came back to life [ Deuteronomy 10:3-5 ; Hebrews 9:4 ]. The womb of the Virgin contained Jesus: the living Word of God enfleshed, the living bread from heaven, "the Branch" (Messianic title) who would die but come back to life [ Luke 1:35 ]. The Ark traveled to the hill country of Judah to rest in the house of Obed-edom [ 2 Samuel 6:1-11 ] Mary traveled to the hill country of Judah (Judea) to the home of Elizabeth [ Luke 1:39 ]. Dressed in a priestly ephod, King David approached the Ark and danced and leapt for joy [ 2 Samuel 6:14 ]. John the Baptist, son of a priest who would himself becomes a priest, leapt for joy in Elizabeth's womb at the approach of Mary [ Luke 1:43 ]. David shouted for joy in the presence of God and the holy Ark [ 2 Samuel 6:15 ] Elizabeth exclaimed with a loud cry of joy in the prescience God within Mary [ Luke 1:42 ]. David asked, "How is it that the Ark of the Lord comes to me?" [ 2 Samuel 6:9 ] Elizabeth asks, "Why is this granted unto me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" [ Luke 1:43 ]. The Ark remained in the house of Obed-edom for 3 months [ 2 Samuel 6:11 ] Mary remained in the house of her cousin Elizabeth for 3 months [ Luke 1:56 ]. The house of Obed-edom was blessed by the presence of the Ark [ 2 Samuel 6:11 ] The word "blessed" is used 3 times in Luke 1:39-45 concerning Mary at Elizabeth's house. The Ark returned to its sanctuary and eventually ends up in Jerusalem where the presence and glory of God is revealed in the newly built Temple [ 2 Samuel 6:12 ; 1 Kings 8:9-11 ] Mary returned home from visiting Elizabeth and eventually comes to Jerusalem, where she presents God the Son in the Temple [ Luke 1:56 ; 2:21-22 ]. God made Aaron's rod (which would be kept in the Ark) return to life and budded to prove he was the legitimate High Priest [ Numbers 17:8 ]. God would resurrect His Son, who had become enfleshed in Mary's womb and born to bring salvation to all mankind, to prove He is the eternal High Priest [ Hebrews 4:14 ]. When the Ark was outside the Holy of Holies [when it was being transported] it was to be covered with a blue veil [ Numbers 4:4-6 ] In Mary's appearances outside of heaven visionaries testify that she wears a blue veil. In Revelation 11:19 John sees the Ark of the Covenant in heaven [this is the last verse of chapter 11] In Revelation 12:1 John sees Mary in heaven. It is the same vision Juan Diego saw of Mary in 1531 — the Woman clothed with the sun and standing on the moon. 4 Likes |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by dolphinheart(m): 6:36pm On Nov 06, 2015 |
PastorAIO: Pls what is the church? |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by PastorAIO: 7:59pm On Nov 06, 2015 |
dolphinheart: The people that Jesus called out of the world. |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by lacum: 10:51pm On Nov 06, 2015 |
I stumbled on this thread this evening and i must thank the op and all that contributed especially d Catholics(Italo, ub, karxim etc), pastor(i dont know ur church but ur highly enlihtened), Dolphinheart(Jehovah Witness) etc. thank you. Pls Mr Dolphin try to write God with d capital G not g as god. Goodnite all 1 Like |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by dolphinheart(m): 10:26am On Nov 07, 2015 |
PastorAIO: If by church, you mean the organization/body of those jesus called out to the world, the scriptures is a guide to how that organization or congregation should operate. It gives them the experience, teachings and process of organization and responsibility and tells them how the holy spirit will help the organization and give gift in men. |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by dolphinheart(m): 10:30am On Nov 07, 2015 |
lacum: Ok ill try to, just felt that doing so all the time, is to conform with the style used by those who removed gods name during translation. But I think ill agree with ur request, and use it when making reference to the almighty God . |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by PastorAIO: 1:17pm On Nov 07, 2015 |
dolphinheart: When the body called Church was formed we are told the following: When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. Jesus didn't mention anything about bible. Furthermore we read in Joel: “And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. What in your opinion is the status of such inspirations of the holy spirit in the church? Is it less that what you read in your bible text? Do you believe that the church has the Holy Spirit and that it was given to the church as a guide? When the apostles introduced doctrines to the church, how do you gauge the validity of the inspiration? Is it less than or greater than your bible text? |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by dolphinheart(m): 4:03pm On Nov 07, 2015 |
PastorAIO: This was before the scriptures of the new testament written by the followers of jesus . After it guided them to the truth, they wrote these truth down. All that is beneficial was written down. Even the reason why they had the truth in them, that the holy spirit guided them , was written down. If it was not written down in the scriptures, you wunt be quoting it in ur post. So the inspired scriptures is fully equipped. You know why God did it this way, so that in the future some people will not form an organization and start spewing false doctrines while claiming its from the holy spirit. If it does not go along with what the spirit had guided the apostles to write down , then it is false. Jesus didn't mention anything about bible.The holy spirit guided them to know what they should do, jesus did not need to tell them about the bible. Furthermore we read in Joel:Even this was written down, so that when it happens we wunt be confused and Satan wunt have a chance to confuse things, and even if he does, we will know how to search for the truth. With the scriptures We can know if ur prophecy, miracle, healing, words, are true or not. The catholic church wants to take this power away from the scriptures cus it exposes and falsify some of their doctrines. What in your opinion is the status of such inspirations of the holy spirit in the church? Is it less that what you read in your bible text?I do not understand ur question. Do you believe that the church has the Holy Spirit and that it was given to the church as a guide? When the apostles introduced doctrines to the church, how do you gauge the validity of the inspiration? Is it less than or greater than your bible text? [/quote] |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by Kamxin(m): 7:47am On Nov 08, 2015 |
dolphinheart:I said quote a sentence from POPE, you brought websites as if the website's views are different from that of the owner. Using 21st century picture to support 20th century events #laughable |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by Jolliano: 9:00am On Nov 08, 2015 |
Did the Church come before the bible or did the Bible come before the Church? Before you answer, remember that Saul was persecuting the Church before he became the Paul that wrote some of the books in the bible. |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by dolphinheart(m): 2:13pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
Kamxin:The websites supported their views with pictures of known members of ur church frolicking with the people that caused millions of death, or are you saying that those pictures are not real. It is a fact that some members of the church participated in these killings and some blessed such killers . Did the pope take action against such people? Where they expelled from the church? Did the church stop associating with such one? As long as the church allowed them to still be members while they continue to so such atrocities, it means the church supports there actions. No matter how much the church condemn the actions of the war, I see it as gimmick, a publicity stunt that does not reach the heart of its members. Using 21st century picture to support 20th century eventsThose pictures where taken as at when the event occured or where occuring. What did the church do after it occured? |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by Kamxin(m): 2:27pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
dolphinheart:One sentence is too much for you to support your claim? Keep beating around the bush. Secondly, digital coloured images from second world war is a fallacy. |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by dolphinheart(m): 3:32pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
Kamxin:Those pictures where not beating about the bush. Claims plenty, that's why it is not giving in one sentence. Secondly, digital coloured images from second world war is a fallacy.You might be right, but those pictures are not digital, neither where they all coloured. |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by xcelentattitude(m): 4:19pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
italo3:Bro, you call the ark of God images. |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by xcelentattitude(m): 4:23pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
italo3:If i may ask sir, where in the bible did you get that? No offence sir |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by italo3: 6:11am On Nov 09, 2015 |
xcelentattitude: Read Ex25:10-22, then tell me if the Ark, mercy seat and Cherubim are real Ark, mercy seat and Cherubim...or the are images of real ones. Thank you. |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by Kamxin(m): 1:55pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
dolphinheart: Bring on a picture of Amaechi laughing with Jonathan form a website operated by their enemies to support a claim that they are people of like mind. Websites that doesn't worth a sachet of water, keep deceiving yourself. So far as you can't present a sentence to support yourself forget about it. |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by dolphinheart(m): 4:40pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
Kamxin: Catholic clergy, action speaks louder than words.
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Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by Ubenedictus(m): 8:15pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
dolphinheart:the church did condemn d nazis! Are u aware dat every abled man at 18 was immediately and forcefully conscripted into d army? Since ur idea is to punish every sinner, how do u punish d youth forced into a war he neither asked for or agree to? U like to see everything as black and white even wen most times dat isnt realistic. |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by Ubenedictus(m): 8:21pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
dolphinheart:sorry dear, one pic is a bishop in a nazi background, d other are prelates in germany. What does dat prove? |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by PastorAIO: 10:19pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
dolphinheart: Am I to understand that you are saying that we don't need the holy spirit any more cos he has guided us into all truth which was subsequently written down and all we now need is in the text? |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by dolphinheart(m): 10:34pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
PastorAIO: Nop, just saying that all man requires for salvation was written down so that in the future, no man or group of men can come up and bring a doctrine or teaching claiming its from the holy spirit talking to him or them. With the scriptures we can know fake holy spirit from real holy spirit. You and I do know that a lot of people do claim that the holy spirit is showing them things. Some na only disaster e dey show them . |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by dolphinheart(m): 10:38pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
Ubenedictus:Pls answer my questions in colour. |
Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by Jolliano: 6:21am On Nov 10, 2015 |
dolphinheart: Is the Bible perfect, true and divinely inspired? If yes, what does that say about the Catholic Church who wrote, compiled and preserved it even under persecution? A bad tree cannot bring Good fruit. |
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