₦airaland Forum

snydergp1st:
You do realize SA upgraded many of there weapons platforms and they use our very own Umkhonto SAM on there warships.

The Gripens are more then capable of facing Algerian Su-30's

May I remind you Nigeria is even in a worse position then SA.

It seem you know too little about Algeria's military.
Algerian SU30 will finish your Gripens.

snydergp1st:
How will they wipe us out. The fact that you still argue like a teenager after all these years is very funny.

You seem to lack any logic and comment just because it suits your childish argumentative agenda at times.

Algeria don't have the military means to project force 5500km away nor the financial muscle to sustain such an attack, this also applies for South Africa.

Now Nigeria itself has less platforms then both Algeria and South Africa so I say its you who should fair Algeria more because you are in their immediate range and just 5 of there SU-30MK's can wipe out your entire poor air defense network in just one 10hours.


One FREMM will render your entire coast guard Navy useless, so I guess you should mind your words.

Algeria has force projection to reach South Africa by sea. They have a very modern and huge supply ship/landing ship/helicopter carrier/anti-submarine helicopters. They have many new stealth frigates with BVR SAM missiles to wipe out any Gripen jet, they have longer range anti-ship missiles to sink any Valour frigate, they have ASW weapon armed ships many submarines to defeat any Heroine class Type 209.

Algeria will eat up South Africa for dinner and there will be no left over in the dish
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snydergp1st:
You do realize SA upgraded many of there weapons platforms and they use our very own Umkhonto SAM on there warships.

The Gripens are more then capable of facing Algerian Su-30's

May I remind you Nigeria is even in a worse position then SA.

Nigeria was never in the discussion, it was you who said a country with better home grown defence industry will defeat the one that has less local technology, and i proved you wrong with Algeria Vs South Africa.....firepower will determine the winner in a war.

SA did NOT upgrade many Algerian weapons, you did very very little as most of their arsenal in Algeria does not need upgrade, they have the most modern military force in Africa.

Algeria has almost 20 frigates and corvettes, so SA put Umkhonto on only 2 ships and that is what you call many? 2 ships ? Many ?

Did South Africa upgrade Algerian Su-30 Flanker, Su-24 Bombers, Yak-130 trainer/attack jets, Su-24 Electronic warfare aircraft, T-90 tanks, Kilo submarines, Tigre class frigates, S-400 long range SAM....? Are you not a big liar ?
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iblawi:
It seem you know too little about Algeria's military.
Algerian SU30 will finish your Gripens.

Yes your opinion.

If I may ask how and let us be realistic not fictitious, and while you at it can may you also do me a favor by telling me how your F-7 and air defense would fair against and Algerian air attack.

snydergp1st:
Yes your opinion.

If I may ask how and let us be realistic not fictitious, and while you at it can may you also do me a favor by telling me how your F-7 and air defense would fair against and Algerian air attack.

Nigeria is not in the equation, we are talking about South Africa claiming it will defeat Algeria because your local defence industry is more technologically advanced.

jln115:
Dude go ask agubugu, he said it was South Africa.

And by sustainable I mean sustainable, as we don't nearly rely as much on foreign suppliers for weapon systems and maintenance as Algeria.

You think we are talking about MRAP vehicles here?

All the major weapons South Africa needs to win a war are imported from Europe and need European maintenance in war.

You import Hawk jet, Gripen jet, Type 209 submarine, Valour frigate, Exocet missiles, Milan missiles, Starstreak missiles, Torpedoes, Rooivalk engine and some avionics as well as it's rocket pod made in Belgium....if you remove all those European imported equipment from SANDF, Zimbabwe will defeat you.

Stop fooling yourself that you have local technology, South Africa is a major arms importer.

snydergp1st:
Yes your opinion.

If I may ask how and let us be realistic not fictitious, and while you at it can may you also do me a favor by telling me how your F-7 and air defense would fair against and Algerian air attack.

I never mention anything about Nigeria facing Algeria.

I've said it many times on this thread that Egypt and Algeria have the most powerful military in Africa. South Africa and Nigeria is nowhere near them.

Egypt and Algeria are the only military that can project forces outside their territories and they can fight any other country without much stress.

agaugust:
Algeria has force projection to reach South Africa by sea. They have a very modern and huge supply ship/landing ship/helicopter carrier/anti-submarine helicopters. They have many new stealth frigates with BVR SAM missiles to wipe out any Gripen jet, they have longer range anti-ship missiles to sink any Valour frigate, they have ASW weapon armed ships many submarines to defeat any Heroine class Type 209.

Algeria will eat up South Africa for dinner and there will be no left over in the dish
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I see you forget very quickly that during war time we will arm our Navy and Gripens with the systems we need to counter any threat.

You think just because a nation has ASW platforms it will detect and defeat an opposing force without taking into account that its the on board systems, training including luck that will determine an outcome.

We have a upgraded large supply ship also so what's your point does that determine the outcome of a war.

It seems you still don't know the basics or you just being your usual self.

snydergp1st:
I see you forget very quickly that during war time we will arm our Navy and Gripens with the systems we need to counter any threat.

You think just because a nation has ASW platforms it will detect and defeat an opposing force without taking into account that its the on board systems, training including luck that will determine an outcome.

We have a upgraded large supply ship also so what's your point does that determine the outcome of a war.

It seems you still don't know the basics or you just being your usual self.

Let's over look your army for now but tell us what training your airforce and Navy have.

iblawi:
I never mention anything about Nigeria facing Algeria.

I've said it many times on this thread that Egypt and Algeria have the most powerful military in Africa. South Africa and Nigeria is nowhere near them.

Egypt and Algeria are the only military that can project forces outside their territories and they can fight any other country without much stress.

I never claimed that SANDF is better then Algeria or Egypt. We all know they have bigger military spending then SA, and with bigger spending comes more platforms.

What you seem to miss here on your futile quest to proof SA's weaknesses , is that countries with better weapons manufacturing capabilities can sustain a war far better.

Egypt is nothing without US/Saudi/UAE Aid military to prop up there regime and to keep the Muslim Brotherhood in check and Israel safe. Without the $2-3bn Aid they will not even be able to threaten Ethiopia.

To project force is nothing but to sustain one 5000km away against a nation who has the financial and manufacturing capability to defend itself is a total other proposition on its own.

You claim Egypt can fight without much stress, can you proof it. There are currently less then 10 countries with the capability to sustain a protracted war far outside its borders and no African or Middle Eastern nation are amongst them.

iblawi:
Let's over look your army for now but tell us what training your airforce and Navy have.

First answer me why has this become a SA vs Egypt/Algeria debate.

Our naval training is up to Nato standards and we exercise with them. Our training platforms and exercises are better then any sub saharan nation and that's a fact.

I'm a member of the SAAF, though we currently have funding gabs to maintain our current and future platforms our training is more then adequate to maintain a level of readiness.

snydergp1st:
First answer me why has this become a SA vs Egypt/Algeria debate.

Our naval training is up to Nato standards and we exercise with them. Our training platforms and exercises are better then any sub saharan nation and that's a fact.

I'm a member of the SAAF, though we currently have funding gabs to maintain our current and future platforms our training is more then adequate to maintain a level of readiness.

This is what started the debate

agaugust:
Having better technology does not mean better combat firepower, South Africa has better defence industry technology than Algeria, yet if you go to war with Algeria, they will wipe out the entire South African nation.

This was used as an example when we were comparing Egyptians and isreali forces

agaugust:
Nigeria was never in the discussion, it was you who said a country with better home grown defence industry will defeat the one that has less local technology, and i proved you wrong with Algeria Vs South Africa.....firepower will determine the winner in a war.

SA did NOT upgrade many Algerian weapons, you did very very little as most of their arsenal in Algeria does not need upgrade, they have the most modern military force in Africa.

Algeria has almost 20 frigates and corvettes, so SA put Umkhonto on only 2 ships and that is what you call many? 2 ships ? Many ?

Did South Africa upgrade Algerian Su-30 Flanker, Su-24 Bombers, Yak-130 trainer/attack jets, Su-24 Electronic warfare aircraft, T-90 tanks, Kilo submarines, Tigre class frigates, S-400 long range SAM....? Are you not a big liar ?
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You seem to only do selective reading and ignore a lot while lying also.

What is it with you and proving this or the other. Its always SA vs Algeria/Egypt/Ethiopia never Ngeria vs Them or anybody WHY?. I can also claim here for a fact that Algeria can defeat you in just one night of air strikes and you won't even have any chance of fielding any air to air platforms against them with your ancient airforce.

Where have I said we upgraded Su-30 an the other platforms you listed. We upgraded there hinds to Super hind configuration and there Meko200 uses our SAM and guns. We also supply ammunitions to them.

Yes overall Algeria has a better armed military but in our waters and air they will never win a war.

craziebone:
SA don copy aerotropolis from us oooo

Is your Aerotropolis worth over $20 billion?

lezz:
Shut up, you were claiming to travel round African countries in your little bush hut in zulu natal.

South Africa is the one with water problems with Lesotho and Denmark bailing you out.

There's has been water riots that left scores of people dead in south Africa.

Your schools have no water for toilet flushing hence they improvised with pit latrines and ended up drowning your children inside the pit toilet.

What a shame.

If water is a scares resource in SA it cannot be blamed on us. SA is a semi desert area and water is scares, that's why we are now opting to rather use ocean water through desalination plants. The system that is currently being used by many European countries. Let us rather blame it on nature. However SA has an excellent pipe water system across Africa.

agaugust:
[s]Propaganda and assumptions.

Patriot missile is built to defeat ALL TYPES of ballistic missiles. Fact !!!

" Patriot is a long-range, all-altitude, all-weather air defence system to counter tactical ballistic missiles, cruise missiles
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/patriot/ "

Range of the Jericho is irrelevant, both countries are next door to each other.

Egypt has radars that cover the whole of Israeli airspace, a ballistic missile launch will be detected early. Israel's land mass has a very narrow territorial width and Egyptian missiles can stop the Jericho missile right on top of Israeli territory or at the border line.

Israeli land is so small and narrow, the distance from Gaza strip to Jerusalem is just about 30 km.....if Egypt intercepts the Jericho over Israel, it will explode on the head of the Israelis ! You don't know shiiit about practical use of weapons, you just google copy and paste data from free internet, you don't know battle space management and realities.

Nuclear fallout can spread over 100 km to 500 km distance you suicidal fool !
http://www.ready.gov/nuclear-blast[/s]

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1. Jericho > Scud. What is the altitude of the Patriot?

2. Nuclear fall out has been proven

agaugust:
[s]Show proof that Algerian army is made up of conscripts. They have same policy of service as Israel, so Israeli army is a conscript army? The service rule means Algeria and Israel have a large pool of combat trained youths to mobilize in war, that gives Algeria a big advantage over South Africa that is full of idle, jobless, illiterate, dormant, lazy youths of a wasted generation. Show me proof that Algerian army is full of conscripts like nobody joins army voluntarily, show proof.

Algeria has a twice bigger standing army and a bigger population, plus more wealth and superior weapons.

South Africa will just mobilize dull brain Zulus for superior Algerian tanks, artillery, bombs, and missiles to eat for breakfast.[/s]

1. Algeria has a conscript Army. Yes, Isreal has one too
- You should know this Mr Military researcher

Fine, we will only raise a "superior brain white" army of 500 000 men

iblawi:
This is what started the debate


This was used as an example when we were comparing Egyptians and isreali forces

Now that very guy claims its not him that started the SA vs Algeria debate.

What is also funny is that what we all forget is that both Algeria/Egypt find themselves in a region where massive arms proliferation is taking place. Algeria today is preparing its forces to be ready for a possible conflict with its neighbor Morocco while also keeping up with Arab states arming themselves heavily, and Egypt has Ethiopia, Sudan while is also being used as a possible proxy against Iran by Saudi's and US in the future.

Regional dynamics and foreign policy play a pivotal role in a nations armed requirements and SA finds itself in a region where peace and stability prevails and a region where common interests binds us together both cultural and economically, so we currently don't have a need for more aggressive platforms as was the case during the Apartheid era where we had communists neighbors supporting ANC like Angola who was a Soviet proxy state.

The difference is SA has the ability to produce weapons more lethal then any african state and that includes nuclear if the threat environment acquires us to do so.

agaugust:
I NEVER said that, you liar !

You did

agaugust:
No, I never said so, he is a liar of a Southie

Stand by your words.

Pathetic man

iblawi:
It seem you know too little about Algeria's military.
Algerian SU30 will finish your Gripens.

Lol - what then will it do to your F-7's?

agaugust:
[s]Algeria has force projection to reach South Africa by sea. They have a very modern and huge supply ship/landing ship/helicopter carrier/anti-submarine helicopters. They have many new stealth frigates with BVR SAM missiles to wipe out any Gripen jet, they have longer range anti-ship missiles to sink any Valour frigate, they have ASW weapon armed ships many submarines to defeat any Heroine class Type 209.

Algeria will eat up South Africa for dinner and there will be no left over in the dish[/s]
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And they will do worse to Nigeria.

At least we have the chance of fighting back

craziebone:
google Stella Odua and aerotropolis. Remember the last time Obama was in Africa and shunned Nigeria instead going to Senegal, SA and Tanzania? Well, a day after his arival in Africa, Jonathan jetted off to China and he secured a 3bn dollar low interest loan for more infrastructures in Nigeria. One of them was to build an Aerotropolis in our major airports. The work is currently on-going in our major airports.

You are telling lies. Aerotropolis remains a dream in Naija to this day.

agaugust:
[s]Nigeria was never in the discussion, it was you who said a country with better home grown defence industry will defeat the one that has less local technology, and i proved you wrong with Algeria Vs South Africa.....firepower will determine the winner in a war.

SA did NOT upgrade many Algerian weapons, you did very very little as most of their arsenal in Algeria does not need upgrade, they have the most modern military force in Africa.

Algeria has almost 20 frigates and corvettes, so SA put Umkhonto on only 2 ships and that is what you call many? 2 ships ? Many ?

Did South Africa upgrade Algerian Su-30 Flanker, Su-24 Bombers, Yak-130 trainer/attack jets, Su-24 Electronic warfare aircraft, T-90 tanks, Kilo submarines, Tigre class frigates, S-400 long range SAM....? Are you not a big liar ? [/s]
.

Again, stu.pid comparison

Apples and Oranges

Algeria v RSA is not the same as Egypt v Isreal

You are making: A GENERIC FALLACY

agaugust:
Nigeria is not in the equation, we are talking about South Africa claiming it will defeat Algeria because your local defence industry is more technologically advanced.

Yes, if you consider CAPACITY FOR GROWTH

You fvcking retard.

You cannot make hypothetical statements and then refer to factual situations to prove the hypothetical.

And what does this have to do with Egypt v Isreal?

agaugust:
[s]You think we are talking about MRAP vehicles here?

All the major weapons South Africa needs to win a war are imported from Europe and need European maintenance in war.

You import Hawk jet, Gripen jet, Type 209 submarine, Valour frigate, Exocet missiles, Milan missiles, Starstreak missiles, Torpedoes, Rooivalk engine and some avionics as well as it's rocket pod made in Belgium....if you remove all those European imported equipment from SANDF, Zimbabwe will defeat you.

Stop fooling yourself that you have local technology, South Africa is a major arms importer.[/s]

So you will just ignore artillery/radar/IFV's/AFV's/APC's/Missiles/Comms etc?

Pathetic

agaugust:
You think we are talking about MRAP vehicles here?

All the major weapons South Africa needs to win a war are imported from Europe and need European maintenance in war.

You import Hawk jet, Gripen jet, Type 209 submarine, Valour frigate, Exocet missiles, Milan missiles, Starstreak missiles, Torpedoes, Rooivalk engine and some avionics as well as it's rocket pod made in Belgium....if you remove all those European imported equipment from SANDF, Zimbabwe will defeat you.

Stop fooling yourself that you have local technology, South Africa is a major arms importer.

Dude you said we have more technologically advanced weapon systems not me!!!

1. SAAB South Africa and BAE South Africa maintain our fighter fleet. Some spares although have to be imported I admit. Our fighters are also armed with locally developed weapon systems, and a lot of the combat suite comprises of South African systems, including the HMD and HMI.

2. Our Navy Equipment have always been imported from other countries, even in the SADF days. Also remember that a lot of the cobat suite of our Valours are of South African design, our Valours are also armed with a South African made SAM system. Our Subs use a South African made periscope, and a lot of the cobat suite comprises of South African made products.

3. ALL spares for our Oryx are made in South Africa!!! thus all spares for our Rooivalk are also manufactured in South Africa. And the avionics were produced by Thales South Africa. The Rooivalk is also armed with the locally developed mokopa.

4. 90% of our army consist of locally made weapon systems from Tanks,IFVs,MRAPs to small armed and communication systems.

We have one of the largest and most advanced defence industries in the world, and export our products to world powers.

agaugust:
I NEVER said that, you liar !

uhh yes you did bro!!

iblawi:
@agaugust is it true? Did you say it was South Africa?

jap he did.

[b]LETS BE REALISTIC HERE.. PEOPLE WIDELY IGNORE IRAN.

IRAN WILL DEFEAT ANY COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

REMEMBER HOW THEY DEFEATED IRAQ (WITH SUPPORT FROM USA,SAUDI ARABIA, UK, RUSSIA E.TC)

TAKE A LOOK AT THE STAT YEAR 2015

ARMY

Iran Israel

Active Frontline Personnel: IRAN-545,000 ISREAL-160,000

Active Reserve Personnel: IRAN-1,800,000 ISREAL 630,000

Tanks IRAN 1,658 ISREAL 4,170 (ISREAL WINS)

AFV IRAN 1,315 ISREAL 10,000+
S
Artillery pieces IRAN 8,196 ISREAL 500+ (IRAN WINS)

Towed artillery IRAN 2,078 ISREAL 300 (IRAN WINS)

Self-propelled guns IRAN 846 ISREAL 620 (IRAN WIN)

Multiple rocket systems IRAN 1474 ISREAL 48 (IRAN WINS)

Mortars IRAN 5,000 ISREAL 750 (IRAN WIN)

Anti-tank weapons IRAN 1,400 ISREAL 900 (IRAN WINS)

Anti-aircraft weapons IRAN 1,701 ISREAL 200 (IRAN WIN)

Logistical vehicles IRAN 12,000 ISREAL 7,684 (IRAN WINS)


NAVY

Iran Israel

Total navy ships IRAN 397 ISREAL 64 (IRAN WINS

Merchant marine IRAN 76 ISREAL 10 (IRAN WINS

Major ports/terminals IRAN 3 ISREAL 4 (ISREAL WINS)

Aircraft carriers IRAN 0 ISREAL 0

Destroyers IRAN 3 ISREAL 3 (ISREAL HAS BETTER TECH)

Submarines IRAN 32 ISREAL 5 (IRAN WINS

Frigates IRAN 5 ISREAL 0 (IRAN WINS

Patrol craft IRAN 198 ISREAL 56(IRAN WINS

Amphibious assault craft IRAN 26 ISREAL 0 (IRAN WINS)



AIR POWER

IRAN ISREAL

FIGHTER IRAN 189 ISREAL 242

GROUND ATTACK IRAN 108 ISREAL 227

ATTACK AIRCRAFT IRAN 20+ ISREAL 67

TRANSPORT IRAN 196 ISREAL 101

ATTACK HELICOPTER IRAN 12 ISREAL 81

TRANSPORT HELI. IRAN 127 ISREAL 200

SAM IRAN 297 ISREAL 48

AAA IRAN 1000+ ISREAL 920

MISSILE SYSTEMS

Iran (1000+) Israel (500+)

Short-range IRAN Shahab-2 (1,280km) ISREAL Jericho-1 (1,400km)

Medium-range IRAN Ghadr-1 (1,600km) ISREAL Jericho-2 (2,800km)

Long-range IRAN Sajjil-2 (2,400km) ISREAL Jericho-3 (5,000km)





WE ALL ASSUME THAT IRAN IS WEAK DUE TO SANCTIONS. BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT EVEN THE MIGHTY USA DOES NOT KNOW THE TRUE CAPABILITIES OF IRAN.

NOBODY CARES THAT IRAN IS AN EXCELLENT ARMS SMUGGLING COUNTRY. THEY ONCE SMUGGLED 10 BOEING 747 AIRCRAFT WITHOUT THE WORLD KNOWING UNTIL RECENTLY. ONCE THE USA HAD TO DESTROY ALL ITS PHANTOM JETS AND AH-1S SO THAT IRAN WONT GET IT, THATS HOW GOOD THEY ARE.

IRAN ARE EXCELLENT IN REVERSE ENGINEERING. REMEMBER A SMUGGLED OR COPIED WEAPON SYSTEM CAN STILL KILL JUST AS EASILY AS A GENUINE ONE.

ALSO REMEMBER HOW THE SU-25 FROGFOOT JET THEY GAVE TO IRAQ TO FIGHT ISIS WAS IN PERFECT CONDITION. IT IS STILL SURPRISING THE WHITE HOUSE TILL TODAY.

www.aljazeera.com/indepthfeatures/2012/03/2012326131343853636.html


www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=israel

www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=iran


It appears that Iran is looking to bolster its armed forces with the
prospect of sanctions being lifted under the nuclear agreement and an
estimated US$150 billion worth of frozen funds to be released to
Tehran. DEBKAfile , an Israeli military intelligence website, has alleged
that Iran is planning to buy 150 Chinese Chengdu J-10 multirole jet
fighters. It is also rumoured that Tehran is considering the purchase
of 250 Sukhoi Su-30 “Flanker H” fighter jets from Moscow, following a
purchase earlier this month of 100 IL-78 Midas in-flight refuelling
tanker aircraft. Further adding to the rumours, Iranian Government
spokesman Mohammad Baqer Nowbakht, after a visit by French
Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, noted that ‘France could satisfy our
need for Mirage warplanes ... buying new Mirage planes is the first
priority of the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF).’[/b]

www.futuredirections.org.au/publications/indian-ocean/29-indian-ocean-swa/2360-iran-seeks-to-bolster-air-force-following-nuclear-agreement.html

iblawi:
It seem you know too little about Algeria's military.
Algerian SU30 will finish your Gripens.

SAAF gripen armed with A-Darter and meteor/marlin BVRAA then iets bye bye SU30

lionel4power:
[b]LETS BE REALISTIC HERE.. PEOPLE WIDELY IGNORE IRAN.

IRAN WILL DEFEAT ANY COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

REMEMBER HOW THEY DEFEATED IRAQ (WITH SUPPORT FROM USA,SAUDI ARABIA, UK, RUSSIA E.TC)

TAKE A LOOK AT THE STAT YEAR 2015

ARMY

Iran Israel

Active Frontline Personnel: IRAN-545,000 ISREAL-160,000

Active Reserve Personnel: IRAN-1,800,000 ISREAL 630,000

Tanks IRAN 1,658 ISREAL 4,170 (ISREAL WINS)

AFV IRAN 1,315 ISREAL 10,000+
S
Artillery pieces IRAN 8,196 ISREAL 500+ (IRAN WINS)

Towed artillery IRAN 2,078 ISREAL 300 (IRAN WINS)

Self-propelled guns IRAN846 ISREAL 620 (IRAN WIN)

Multiple rocket systems IRAN 48 ISREAL 1,474 (IRAN WINS)

Mortars IRAN 5,000 ISREAL 750 (IRAN WIN)

Anti-tank weapons IRAN 1,400 ISREAL 900 (IRAN WINS)

Anti-aircraft weapons IRAN 1,701 ISREAL 200 (IRAN WIN)

Logistical vehicles IRAN 12,000 ISREAL 7,684 (IRAN WINS)


NAVY

Iran Israel

Total navy ships IRAN 397 ISREAL 64 (IRAN WINS

Merchant marine IRAN 76 ISREAL 10 (IRAN WINS

Major ports/terminals IRAN 3 ISREAL 4 (ISREAL WINS)

Aircraft carriers IRAN 0 ISREAL 0

Destroyers IRAN 3 ISREAL 3 (ISREAL HAS BETTER TECH)

Submarines IRAN 32 ISREAL 5 (IRAN WINS

Frigates IRAN 5 ISREAL 0 (IRAN WINS

Patrol craft IRAN 198 ISREAL 56(IRAN WINS

Amphibious assault craft IRAN 26 ISREAL 0 (IRAN WINS)



AIR POWER

IRAN ISREAL

FIGHTER IRAN 189 ISREAL 242

GROUND ATTACK IRAN 108 ISREAL 227

ATTACK AIRCRAFT IRAN 20+ ISREAL 67

TRANSPORT IRAN 196 ISREAL 101

ATTACK HELICOPTER IRAN 12 ISREAL 81

TRANSPORT HELI. IRAN 127 ISREAL 200

SAM IRAN 297 ISREAL 48

AAA IRAN 1000+ ISREAL 920

MISSILE SYSTEMS

Iran (1000+) Israel (500+)

Short-range IRAN Shahab-2 (1,280km) ISREAL Jericho-1 (1,400km)

Medium-range IRAN Ghadr-1 (1,600km) ISREAL Jericho-2 (2,800km)

Long-range IRAN Sajjil-2 (2,400km) ISREAL Jericho-3 (5,000km)





WE ALL ASSUME THAT IRAN IS WEAK DUE TO SANCTIONS. BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT EVEN THE MIGHTY USA DOES NOT KNOW THE TRUE CAPABILITIES OF IRAN.

NOBODY CARES THAT IRAN IS AN EXCELLENT ARMS SMUGGLING COUNTRY. THEY ONCE SMUGGLED 10 BOEING 747 AIRCRAFT WITHOUT THE WORLD KNOWING UNTIL RECENTLY. ONCE THE USA HAD TO DESTROY ALL ITS PHANTOM JETS AND AH-1S SO THAT IRAN WONT GET IT, THATS HOW GOOD THEY ARE.

IRAN ARE EXCELLENT IN REVERSE ENGINEERING. REMEMBER A SMUGGLED OR COPIED WEAPON SYSTEM CAN STILL KILL JUST AS EASILY AS A GENUINE ONE.

ALSO REMEMBER HOW THE SU-25 FROGFOOT JET THEY GAVE TO IRAQ TO FIGHT ISIS WAS IN PERFECT CONDITION. IT IS STILL SURPRISING THE WHITE HOUSE TILL TODAY.

www.aljazeera.com/indepthfeatures/2012/03/2012326131343853636.html


www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=israel

www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=iran


It appears that Iran is looking to bolster its armed forces with the
prospect of sanctions being lifted under the nuclear agreement and an
estimated US$150 billion worth of frozen funds to be released to
Tehran. DEBKAfile , an Israeli military intelligence website, has alleged
that Iran is planning to buy 150 Chinese Chengdu J-10 multirole jet
fighters. It is also rumoured that Tehran is considering the purchase
of 250 Sukhoi Su-30 “Flanker H” fighter jets from Moscow, following a
purchase earlier this month of 100 IL-78 Midas in-flight refuelling
tanker aircraft. Further adding to the rumours, Iranian Government
spokesman Mohammad Baqer Nowbakht, after a visit by French
Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, noted that ‘France could satisfy our
need for Mirage warplanes ... buying new Mirage planes is the first
priority of the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF).’[/b]

www.futuredirections.org.au/publications/indian-ocean/29-indian-ocean-swa/2360-iran-seeks-to-bolster-air-force-following-nuclear-agreement.html

Although I like using global firepower as well, I feel they base their rankings on quantity without realy regarding the modernity of equipment as well as training and other factors....for instance having something like a data link is a huge huge force multiplier, combine that with modern radar and communication system then you could have a force defeat an enemy which outnumber them 10-1 with relative ease.

But yes Iran definitely is a force to be reckond with, but are they more powerful than Turkey or Iran? Simple answer is no.