jln115:

Everything you want is on Al jazeeras website.

jln115:

Were does it state that foreign countries must under law sell the majority of their stake? Please mate....show me!

jln115:


We invented the HMD, and intagrated it on the Mirage, France used the HMD on their Mirages after successful testing on the SAAF fleet.

agaugust:


Learn to read without having everything quoted for you....dullard whitey !

No BEE compliance means death to the company business :

" In order to achieve the highest BEE status rating (level one out of a possible eight levels), a
business entity must score more than 100 points. Entities scoring lower than 40 points will
be judged non-BEE compliant.

However, under the new system, both small and micro enterprises can
qualify for ‘enhanced recognition’, whereby if they are 100% black owned or at least 51%
black owned, they are automatically given Level One or Level Two BEE status respectively.

Non-compliance will not result in any criminal sanction but will mean that government
support will not be forthcoming. And a knock-on effect is created in business, since
compliance requires entering into business relationships (such as supply contracts) with
parties who are in turn compliant.

A review of the BEE Act has also been initiated and an amendment bill proposed which will
tighten the law to address challenges such as ‘fronting’, where companies manipulate or
misrepresent their BEE status to win contracts. "

http://www.uhy.com/wp-content/uploads/Doing-Business-in-South-Africa.pdf

This is why European defence companies open branches in South Africa and sell majority shares to you then you now turn around to claim the weapons they produce are proudly South African products.....its a big lie, you guys azz is now exposed, you have been deceiving us on this forum for the past 5 years !
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jln115:

For fvck sake!!! where does our law state that foreign companies must by law sell the majority of their shares, do you understand the question?

agaugust:


Everything on that website is speculation with no names of sources, nothing official....tales by moonlight.

jln115:
the source is spy cables retaaard, that Al Jazeera somehow got a hold off.

agaugust:


Dullard do you understand the law?

agaugust:


Anonymous and nameless spy cables is NO reliable source, can you quote it as reference or bibliography is an academic project? Fool.

agaugust:


Citation needed that you sold HMD to France

jln115:

Yes you can, because the documents on the spy cables are authentic

agaugust:


You will score a D or E in that academic project. Olodo

jln115:

Yes obviously I do, and you clearly don't.

agaugust:


You failed to interpret your own countrys business law

agaugust:


[s]Nope, that list makes you 18th ranked exporters out of 20, you are almost bottom of the table

The ranking is NOT for weapons manufacturing, it is for export only, and many of the South African exports on SIPRI are sales of weapons you imported from Europe, Alouette helicopters from France resold to Zimbabwe, Cheetah jets are France's rebuilt Mirage jets resold to Ecuador, Mirage F1Z from France resold to Gabon, Impala jets are Italian jets resold to other countries in large numbers, all those are among the export sales used to rank South Africa 18th, yet those weapons are imported by you originally made in Europe....I found out this records on SIPRI database.....most of South African made exports are MRAPs, you are merely a big time MRAP exporter, all other weapons are low value transactions including cheap missiles.

Weapons manufacturing, Egypt is the biggest in Africa, I proved it with citations, Egypt built jet fighter engines, tens of thousands tactical missiles, dozens of ballistic missiles and a thousand modern tanks, and many thousands of APC/IFV.

Iran locally manufactures more missiles and drones than South Africa, Iran makes dozens of types of main battle tanks, IFV/APC, anti-tank missiles, anti-aircraft missiles, anti-ship missiles, long range ballistic missiles, missile armed drones, stealth drones, warships, light jet fighter aircraft....South Africa is far far behind Iran which is not listed on the top 20 table.

Stop deceiving yourselves ! IRAN HAS BUILT MANY SUBMARINES ! [/s]

agaugust:


[s]Hamas or Hezbollar home made rockets are unguided and crap, they have no electronic countermeasures to challenge intercepting missiles.

Iran builds sophisticated missiles and likely the biggest missile producer in the 3rd world....100 years ahead of South Africa[/s]
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agaugust:


[s]You merely paid cash to buy the shares because your ANC law forces foreign companies to sell majority shares to South Africans.

BAE technology remains imported from Britain, you import British technology, call the company any name you like, DENEL or whatever, it is still British technology being imported by you, British engineering brains doing the job while you claim the glory for South Africa, thief ![/s]

agaugust:


[s]Iranian SAMs will shoot down all Israeli Apache gunship helicopters in one day.[/s]

lionel4power:





your own source
they aren't necessarily being neutralised. The warheads contained in
Palestinian rockets are "very difficult to detonate because they are
made with thick steel cases... backed with insensitive TNT
explosive", he found.

More than 130 Palestinian rockets have been fired towards Israel over
the past 24 hours, revealing the inefficiency of Israel’s Iron Dome
missile system which has intercepted merely 27 of them. According to
a report by Israeli media, at least 100 rockets have landed in Israel
since Wednesday when Tel Aviv escalated its airstrikes on the
besieged Gaza Strip. The report by Haaretz listed the regions hit by
Palestinian rockets, saying that at least 22 rockets fired from Gaza
landed in Eshkol area in southern Israel and 10 others hit the
neighboring area of Ofakim. Of the rockets targeting these two areas,
only two were intercepted. Four rockets also landed in Sha’ar Hanegev
and five others hit the neighboring area of Sderot. In the southern city
of Ashkelon, seven rockets landed and three others were intercepted.
The Iron Dome has been established with the financial support of the
United States. In May, the US House of Representatives appropriated
947 million dollars to the Iron Dome, nicknamed “David's Sling,” and a
long-range Arrow missile program in Israel. Palestinian resistance
fighters began firing rockets into Israel after the regime launched a
new series of airstrikes on the besieged territory. Over the past 24
hours, at least 13 Palestinians, including senior Hamas commander
Ahmed al-Ja’abari, have been killed in the Israeli airstrikes. Two
children and a woman are also among the victims. Meanwhile, a
senior Israeli official said on Wednesday that Tel Aviv was planning to
expand the offensive in Gaza and that the regime was considering a
“ground incursion” into the coastal enclave. SAB/MA


http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/11/15/272373/iron-dome-fails-to-stop-gaza-rockets/


Reuter tells a different story

Israel’s vaunted Iron Dome defense system is more like an iron sieve.
It fails to destroy all but a few of the rockets that Hamas and other
Palestinian militant groups fire at Israeli communities. But Israel’s
early-warning civil-defense systems have proved highly effective.


Ted Postol, a physicist at the university and an expert in missiles and
missile defenses, has found evidence that only about 5 percent of
Iron Dome engagements result in the targeted rocket being destroyed
or even sufficiently damaged to disable its explosive warhead. In the
other 95 percent of cases, the interceptor either misses entirely or just
lightly damages the enemy munition, allowing the rocket’s intact
warhead to continue arcing toward the ground.

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/07/25/israels-iron-dome-is-more-like-an-iron-sieve/





WHEN MORE RESEARCH WAS DONE... IIT TELLS A DIFFERENT STORY.

Other 2014 articles echoed a similar story from Time magazine on the
first use of Iron Dome in 2012: that Iron Dome was the "most
effective, most tested missile shield the world has ever seen." [4]
But then the story changed.
The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists started the skeptical coverage on
July 19, 2014 with a story purporting to reveal "The evidence that
shows Iron Dome is not working." [5]
Reuter's David Axe followed up a week later with a story, complaining
on July 25, 2014, "Israel's Iron Dome is more like an iron sieve." [6]
On July 31, 2014, the Middle East Monitor entitled a story "It is a lie to
say that Iron Dome is Protecting Israelis from Hamas." [7]
Two weeks later, August 12, 2014, reporter Dylan Scott asked, "For all
the Hype, Does Israel's Iron Dome Even Work?"

www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4775/iron-dome-rigged



LOOK I KNOW IT MIGHT SOUND LIKE A LIE BUT THE IRON DOME ISN'T WHAT THE ISRAELIS MADE IT TO LOOK LIKE... MORE ROCKET HIT ISRAEL THAN WAS INTERCEPTED... ASK YOURSELF WHY ISN'T THE USA FIELDING THIS MAGICAL WEAPON THEY PRACTICALLY PAID FOR. ISRAELI PR TEAM HAS BEEN TAKING THE WORLD FOR A RIDE SINCE 1960

agaugust:


[size=13pt][s]Nigerian defence industry is NOT inferior.[/size]

We make world class quality products that UN is buying and presidents and ambassadors of countries from your own region are inspecting for purchase prospects. Point is we make different things, there are many Nigerian products that South Africa does not produce, wheeled bomb disposal robots, tracked bomb disposal robots, tactical military armoured vehicles, jet fighter rocket pods, jet fighter folding fin rockets, armoured patrol vessels, man portable drones....we make different things, each country has it's own priority.

Show me how Nigeria is inferior.....UN calls you a liar ![/s]
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agaugust:


1. Egypt and Algeria do not talk about their communication systems, nobody know if they have tactical datalinks, you cannot prove they do not have, same way I cannot prove they have it.

2. Algeria believes in buying weapons from north, east, west, south, they buy from over 10 different countries, it's their national defence policy to diversify sources of arms procurement. Besides, they feel the umkhonto is already integrated on Meko 200 used by SAN, so it makes easy sense to buy same. However the Algerians have 40 km Russian SAM on their Tigre frigates, they have missiles superior to Umkhnoto. Flagship does not matter, it's a ceremonial jargon. Also, they might not find Russian missile easy to install on a German Meko frigate, it will need Russian and German military engineers working together and that may be hard to achieve since the two white nations are enemies, then Umkhonto becomes easy option.

[s]3. Thales is a French company you thief ! The logo is from France, you cannot use it as a South African original or else you will be in violation of international patent rights and end up in world court for stealing. Thales South Africa is merely a branch of Thales France, ALL the Thales products made in South African defence industry are imported French technology that you claim for yourselves you glory thief !

90% of South African defence industry is owned by Europe, they own you !

See all the logos are the same exactly, Thales South Africa, Thales United Kingdom, Thales France

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/careers/south-africa

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/united-kingdom

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en

France owns Thales defence industry South Africa . PROVED !

4. Sweden owns SAAB 100%

5. Rheinmetall is German, they own South African Rheinmetall, you cannot use a PATENTED name without affiliation with the parent company, Germany owns Rheinmetall defence company South Africa, they can pull the plugs on you and South African defence industry drops dead. All the Rheinmetall defecne products made in South Africa are imported materials, parts, and technology from Germany, they own you.

Rheinmetall has branches ALL OVER THE WORLD....

http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/company/locations_worldwide/index.php

Rheinmetall America

http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/company/divisions_and_subsidiaries/american_rheinmetall_munitions/index.php

Rheinmetall Canada

http://www.rheinmetall.ca/en/rheinmetall_canada/index.php
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90% of South African defence industry is owned and fed fat by Europe.....Nigeria owns her own defence industry.....we are not a colony like South Africa [/s][/size]
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agaugust:


[s]Nigeria like Iran and Egypt, uses most of her defence products locally, why export when we do not have enough for huge local needs.[/s]

Nigerian navy has NO South African patrol boat.

You sold ATGMs, Iran makes them, even Sudan makes them. No big deal.

You did NOT sell AAM to Brazil, A-Darter is a joint project and carries Brazilian logo on it. Brazil gave you the technology. You glory thief.

You sold NOTHING to France

You sold ONLY MRAP to Sweden

You sold no SAM to Brazil

You sold NOTHING to South Korea.

I confirmed ALL South African arms exports on SIPRI....

[s]You sell mostly MRAPs. Other weapon sales are few numbers or low value....you are nothing special.

90% of your South African defence industry is NOT yours, they are European companies opening branches in South Africa. You fvcking thief ![/s]
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agaugust:


[s] It`s NOT official....it`s speculation from so called spies that have no name and no identity.

Your source is garbage.[/s]

agaugust:


[s]MULTINATIONALS

The codes of good practice allow foreign multinational companies doing business in South Africa some flexibility in how they structure their empowerment deals. In particular, the codes acknowledge that there may be multinationals whose global practices prevent them
from complying with the ownership element of Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) through the traditional sale of shares to black South Africans.

In such cases, the codes allow for contributions in lieu of equity sales. These contributions, known as ‘equity equivalent’ contributions, count towards the ownership element ofnBBBEE and can allow companies to place extra effort on areas such as skills development, training, preferential procurement and social responsibility. The value of these contributions may be measured against 25% of the value of a multinational's South African operations, or against 4% of the total revenue from South African operations annually over the period of continued measurement.

Foreign multinationals can submit proposals for Equity Equivalent Programmes to the Department of Trade and Industry for approval by the Minister of Trade and Industry.

CONCLUSION

It is fundamental to doing business in South Africa that potential investors become familiar with and meet their obligations in terms of BEE laws and regulations.

http://www.uhy.com/wp-content/uploads/Doing-Business-in-South-Africa.pdf

You force European companies to sell shares to South Africans and add your name to their own. The company has a South African look outwardly but inwardly it is European 100%.

90% of South African defence industry is owned by Europeans. Nigerian defence industry is NOT a colony like yours. We own our stuff.[/s]
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agaugust:


....sure I wont`t....yours is owned by Europeans....ours is independent

agaugust:


Mumu, read the pdf file, no majority shares means no government patronage or contracts, their business will collapse for lack of patronage.

http://www.uhy.com/wp-content/uploads/Doing-Business-in-South-Africa.pdf

agaugust:


[s]Learn to read without having everything quoted for you....dullard whitey !

No BEE compliance means death to the company business :

" In order to achieve the highest BEE status rating (level one out of a possible eight levels), a
business entity must score more than 100 points. Entities scoring lower than 40 points will
be judged non-BEE compliant.

However, under the new system, both small and micro enterprises can
qualify for ‘enhanced recognition’, whereby if they are 100% black owned or at least 51%
black owned, they are automatically given Level One or Level Two BEE status respectively.

Non-compliance will not result in any criminal sanction but will mean that government
support will not be forthcoming. And a knock-on effect is created in business, since
compliance requires entering into business relationships (such as supply contracts) with
parties who are in turn compliant.

A review of the BEE Act has also been initiated and an amendment bill proposed which will
tighten the law to address challenges such as ‘fronting’, where companies manipulate or
misrepresent their BEE status to win contracts. "

http://www.uhy.com/wp-content/uploads/Doing-Business-in-South-Africa.pdf

This is why European defence companies open branches in South Africa and sell majority shares to you then you now turn around to claim the weapons they produce are proudly South African products.....its a big lie, you guys azz is now exposed, you have been deceiving us on this forum for the past 5 years ![/s]
.

iblawi:
Boko Haram and isis now in France 140 killed already.

jln115:

Not BH hehehe, but yes definitely some kind of Jihadi terrorist group!!

Been up all night reading the news!! The only thing that gets to me a lot is the fact when something like this happens in Africa(which it does quite regularly) the world doesn't bat an eye. But when something like this happens in a Western country the fvcking world loses their minds!!

jln115:

Not BH hehehe, but yes definitely some kind of Jihadi terrorist group!!

Been up all night reading the news!! The only thing that gets to me a lot is the fact when something like this happens in Africa(which it does quite regularly) the world doesn't bat an eye. But when something like this happens in a Western country the fvcking world loses their minds!!

jln115:

Not BH hehehe, but yes definitely some kind of Jihadi terrorist group!!

Been up all night reading the news!! The only thing that gets to me a lot is the fact when something like this happens in Africa(which it does quite regularly) the world doesn't bat an eye. But when something like this happens in a Western country the fvcking world loses their minds!!