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coogar:
benitez never won a league title in england. he fluked a UCL title though - but that was after he gave up on chasing the league title & concentrated the club's effort in europe.

benitez is a disgrace, abeg! ronaldo still has about 3-4 years to give at top level. he's a machine. he's 30 in the real sense but his body functions like a 25 year old player. let's buy him abeg.....

Did I just see you say Benitez won the UCL with fluke

elampiro:
Which club doesn't get beaten 4-1? Where were you when Fernando Torres and Gerald beat us 4-1 in 2008? City beat us 6-1. We could go back to late 1990s.

How many teams get beaten 4-1 at home by a major rival after spending more than 100million in the summer transfer window. City beat us 6-1 at home. Did we spend up to 100 million in the previous summer window??

If City didn't have this blue print they would be a middle table team. If SAF had a similar plan he would have won 5 UCL trophies.

I agree SAF didn't spend enough and relyed too much on old players and unproven academy products which proved to be our downfall after he retired. Teams ve to spend to be able to compete. But most times, spending isn't the only answer.

AdeLaNa1:
Yes. Most players are egocentric. But of all those players u mentioned, Both Messi and Neymar dint let their egos get in the way of the ultimate price. Which is winning titles every season for the team.


Attackers need to track back once in a while. But majority of the time, its not their job. That's why teams ve defenders and DMs. Do u expect Ozil to be tracking back, when Coquelin is there to throw in the hard tackles?? The answer is NO!!

Yes. Barca spends. But do they do it every season like the likes of PSG and City?? No. They've already laid out the foundations with a mix of Old players and young players from their academy. All dat is left to complete the puzzle is a major signing like Neymar and Suarez. Now look at where they are!!!

How's Ronaldo an obstacle to his team winning trophies? How many did they win in recent years prior to his signing.

Of course teams like City and PSG will sign to measure up with other top teams. You forgot to add Rakitic, Vidal and Turan.

elampiro:
Before we forget so soon how Man City became a giant and a feared team.

The team was taken over by the rich owner in summer 2008.

2003/4 they finished 15th with 49 points.
2004/5 they finished 8th with 52 points.
2005/6 they finished 15th with 43 points
2006/7 they finished 14th with 42 points.
2007/8 they finished 9th with 55 points.
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After take over:
2008/2009. 10th 50 points
2009/2010. 5th 67 points
2010/2011. 3rd 71 points.
2011/2012. 1st 89 points.
2012/2013. 2nd 78 points.
2013/2014. 1st 86 points.
2014/2015. 2nd 79 points.

AdeLaNa1, is this what you call a temporal success? E don tey I know say you no know ball.

U're an olodo. And u just confirmed it with this post. PSG got taken over by Qatar Investments in 2012. And since then, they've dominated France. But thate exactly where their domination ends. In France.

City were bought in 2008. Since then, they ve been spending and spending. Anf all they ve to show for it is two EPL and maybe one FA Cup and one COC. With poor outings in Europe.

So two league titles every 6 yrs after spending millions is the kind of blue print u would expect a club like Manchester United to emulate??

No difference btw u and Moyes. No wonder that one also said City is the kind of club ManUnited want to be. The two of u as it seems, appear to be very clueless when it comes to the future of this club

AdeLaNa1:
How many teams get beaten 4-1 at home by a major rival after spending more than 100million in the summer transfer window. City beat us 6-1 at home. Did we spend up to 100 million in the previous summer window??

This doesn't make sense to me. Your argument was that a team well built shouldn't be beaten and not one grew with money. I gave you instances and you changed your argument.

Anyway, we get heavy results here and there. Madrid lost 5-0 to Barca.

Bayern beat Barca I think 7-0 home and away. Madrid beat. Madrid beat Bayern 4-0. The same Madrid Nani was going to destroy before the red card.

AdeLaNa1:
I agree SAF didn't spend enough and relyed too much on old players and unproven academy products which proved to be our downfall after he retired. Teams ve to spend to be able to compete. But most times, spending isn't the only answer.

Yes. But spending is now the major answer. Neymar, Bale, Ronaldo, Modric, Suarez, Ibrahimovic, etc were not bought with peanuts.

AdeLaNa1:
U're an olodo. And u just confirmed it with this post. PSG got taken over by Qatar Investments in 2012. And since then, they've dominated France. But thate exactly where their domination ends. In France.

City were bought in 2008. Since then, they ve been spending and spending. Anf all they ve to show for it is two EPL and maybe one FA Cup and one COC. With poor outings in Europe.

So two league titles every 6 yrs after spending millions is the kind of blue print u would expect a club like Manchester United to emulate??

No difference btw u and Moyes. No wonder that one also said City is the kind of club ManUnited want to be. The two of u as it seems, appear to be very clueless when it comes to the future of this club

AdeLaNa1:
U're an olodo. And u just confirmed it with this post. PSG got taken over by Qatar Investments in 2012. And since then, they've dominated France. But thate exactly where their domination ends. In France.

City were bought in 2008. Since then, they ve been spending and spending. Anf all they ve to show for it is two EPL and maybe one FA Cup and one COC. With poor outings in Europe.

So two league titles every 6 yrs after spending millions is the kind of blue print u would expect a club like Manchester United to emulate??

No difference btw u and Moyes. No wonder that one also said City is the kind of club ManUnited want to be. The two of u as it seems, appear to be very clueless when it comes to the future of this club

You have the intelligence of a Akara school pupil.

Your first two paragraphs confirms you know nothing because you contradicted yourself. This is exactly the way I see you since I noticed you here.

You agreed that without money City wouldn't come near qualifying for Europa cup, not to talk of finishing top four to play UCL. Not to talk of smelling an EPL title. Now they have two EPL titles, winning other local cups by the sides.

You also said PSG became dominant in France after they were taken over in 2012. Before 2012 you would go for Thanksgiving if PSG were your opponent in UCL. Now they can knock out a strong opposition with 10 men.











Take a bow.

AdeLaNa1:
No wonder that one also said City is the kind of club ManUnited want to be. The two of u as it seems, appear to be very clueless when it comes to the future of this club

Show me where I said this if you cannot, you remain the greatest daft I suppose you are.

Veteran Elampiro

chrisley024:
How's Ronaldo an obstacle to his team winning trophies? How many did they win in recent years prior to his signing.

And how many ve they won since he was signed?? No wahala. Let dem keep spending. And they'll keep getting trashed by Barca. At Barca, every player plays for his teammates. Even Messi. But at Madrid, every other player plays for C.Ro so he can keep scoring Hattricks every match.
That there is why Barca ll alwsys shit on Madrid's head every goddamn time.

Of course teams like City and PSG will sign to measure up with other top teams. You forgot to add Rakitic, Vidal and Turan.

Barca signed Rakitic last summer for like 40mill. And they've signed both Vidal and Turan both for anoda 40mill. Both payers wont even play for Barca until January and yet anoda trebble looks guaranteed for Barca dis season.
My point is Barca dont need to spend more than 100mill every summer before they are guaranteed trophies

Abeg which vidal did barca sign?

elampiro:
This doesn't make sense to me. Your argument was that a team well built shouldn't be beaten and not one grew with money. I gave you instances and you changed your argument.

Anyway, we get heavy results here and there. Madrid lost 5-0 to Barca.

Bayern beat Barca I think 7-0 home and away. Madrid beat. Madrid beat Bayern 4-0. The same Madrid Nani was going to destroy before the red card.



Yes. But spending is now the major answer. Neymar, Bale, Ronaldo, Modric, Suarez, Ibrahimovic, etc were not bought with peanuts.

I did not change any argument. Ur initial point was for United to copy City by doing trial and error in buying players every summer. And thats wen i made reference to them losing 4-1 at home after spending so much in the preceeding summer transfer window.

AdeLaNa1:
My point is Barca dont need to spend more than 100mill every summer before they are guaranteed trophies

Barca should spend 100 million EVERY SUMMER. And you said we should not spend like the rest to upgrade our team to the highest standard. Is it Lingard and Perrieira that will take you to the level of Bayern and Barca?


Are you a friend or a foe?

AdeLaNa1:
And how many ve they won since he was signed?? No wahala. Let dem keep spending. And they'll keep getting trashed by Barca. At Barca, every player plays for his teammates. Even Messi. But at Madrid, every other player plays for C.Ro so he can keep scoring Hattricks every match.
That there is why Barca ll alwsys shit on Madrid's head every goddamn time.


Barca signed Rakitic last summer for like 40mill. And they've signed both Vidal and Turan both for anoda 40mill. Both payers wont even play for Barca until January and yet anoda trebble looks guaranteed for Barca dis season.
My point is Barca dont need to spend more than 100mill every summer before they are guaranteed trophies

which one be the players are playing for ronaldo to score hatrick again So na wetin dem do when them win 2014UCL? Abeg stop dis ur childish analysis.. If madrid happens to meet man.u in this year's UCL you self know say our chances of winning the tie would be very slim.. Leave story. They lost to barca that way cause of perez not benitez! That line_up is a politicaL line_up, there's no way a team led by rafa benitez would be without a DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER.

AdeLaNa1:
I did not change any argument. Ur initial point was for United to copy City by doing trial and error in buying players every summer. And thats wen i made reference to them losing 4-1 at home after spending so much in the preceeding summer transfer window.

And now you said Barca should spend 100 million every summer. You have forgotten I also used Barca as an example. That they allowed Sanchez to go.

To upgrade your team you must spend. No question about that. The Era of getting Giggs and Scholes from acadamy is gone. If SAF acted fast to sign Ronaldinho we would have won plenty UCL trophies. He was fast with Cole, Yorke, Nistelrooy etc. But he didn't go for the big big guys.

When we spend and we start dominating and winning 80% of our matches, you will see players will come by themselves. Who wants to come do suffer head?

elampiro:
You have the intelligence of a Akara school pupil.

And u ve no form of intelligence at all.

Your first two paragraphs confirms you know nothing because you contradicted yourself. This is exactly the way I see you since I noticed you here.

You agreed that without money City wouldn't come near qualifying for Europa cup, not to talk of finishing top four to play UCL. Not to talk of smelling an EPL title. Now they have two EPL titles, winning other local cups by the sides.

So two EPL trophies, 1 fa cup and 1 coc in 7 yrs is wat u call success?? Wow! Wonders!!!

You also said PSG became dominant in France after they were taken over in 2012. Before 2012 you would go for Thanksgiving if PSG were your opponent in UCL. Now they can knock out a strong opposition with 10 men.

At least their money has gotten them success in France since 2012. And none in Europe where it all matters. Besides, PSG's success in France is just bcoz no other team in France is strong enough to compete with PSG financially. Tell us how many Ligue 1 teams can afford to buy a David Luiz for 50mill??

elampiro:
Show me where I said this if you cannot, you remain the greatest daft I suppose you are.

Learn to read and understand. Wen i said "Dat one", i meant Moyes and not U.

elampiro:


Barca should spend 100 million EVERY SUMMER. And you said we should not spend like the rest to upgrade our team to the highest standard. Is it Lingard and Perrieira that will take you to the level of Bayern and Barca?


Are you a friend or a foe?

Are u sure u're alright this night?? How is "Barca dont need to spend 100mill" the same as "Barca should spend 100mill"??

AdeLaNa1:
And u ve no form of intelligence at all.

So two EPL trophies, 1 fa cup and 1 coc in 7 yrs is wat u call success?? Wow! Wonders!!!

At least their money has gotten them success in France since 2012. And none in Europe where it all matters. Besides, PSG's success in France is just bcoz no other team in France is strong enough to compete with PSG financially. Tell us how many Ligue 1 teams can afford to buy a David Luiz for 50mill??

Olodo. It's success considering where they were. Without the money they would remain little.

If United had been upgrading every season like City, we should have been at same level with Barca, Madrid and Bayern.

For us to overtake City completely in EPL we need to keep upgrading. Then before you know it, we get to they level of the top three in Europe.

Should I give you the transfer policy of Madrid and Barca you would see they did almost same thing as Man City in the last 10-15 years or so.

Barca - Ibrahimovic, Ronaldinho, Mascherano, Sanchez, Pedro, Toure, Eto, Neymar, Valdez, Fabregas, Song, etc. They are always doing trial-and-error and upgrading thereof. Madrid is even worse.

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AdeLaNa1:
Are u sure u're alright this night?? How is "Barca dont need to spend 100mill" the same as "Barca should spend 100mill"??

You said they don't need to spend more than 100 which means they can spend 100 m every summer.

weedtaker:
which one be the players are playing for ronaldo to score hatrick again So na wetin dem do when them win 2014UCL? Abeg stop dis ur childish analysis.. If madrid happens to meet man.u in this year's UCL you self know say our chances of winning the tie would be very slim.. Leave story. They lost to barca that way cause of perez not benitez! That line_up is a politicaL line_up, there's no way a team led by rafa benitez would be without a DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER.

Well, b4 i commence, let me just state for the record that i'm a Ronaldo fan.

Everything in Madrid is abt Ronaldo. And even the likes of Bale, Di Maria ve been made to suffer becoz of it.

We all thought Barca was all abt Messi but that wasn't the case. And wecall thought Barca without Messi ll see both Neymar and Suarez's ego get in the way of who becomes the top man in Barca. But instead u saw how both of them kept scoring and assisting each other. And they also kept playing for the team. Both Neymar and Suarez kept scoring but it was never abt them.

Let C.Ro score Hattrick and u'll see how he'll start removing his shirt and flecing his muscles like its all abt him. Sebi it was ordinary penalty he scored in the UCL final that he was busy flexing muscle up and down the pitch.
The fact is, with C.Ro in Madrid, no other player would be allowed to shine. See wat Madrid fans did to Bale. Why cant they do dat to C.Ro too?? Afterall, he has been less than average for the past few weeks.


And if we were to meet Madrid now, i think i'll fancy our chances of us beating them. Whether its Perez or Benitez, e no concern me. Fact is Madrid ve been shit. And with LVG's philosophy, all we ve to do is hold possession and bore them to death

elampiro:
You said they don't need to spend more than 100 which means they can spend 100 m every summer.

Go and read dat post well. Wat i meant was whether they spent 100 mill in one summer or not, they are guaranteed trophies every year.

Besides, United ve spent close to 100mill in the last two summers. Wat do we ve to show for it?? Champions League qualification??

AdeLaNa1:
Well, b4 i commence, let me just state for the record that i'm a Ronaldo fan.

Everything in Madrid is abt Ronaldo. And even the likes of Bale, Di Maria ve been made to suffer becoz of it.

We all thought Barca was all abt Messi but that wasn't the case. And wecall thought Barca without Messi ll see both Neymar and Suarez's ego get in the way of who becomes the top man in Barca. But instead u saw how both of them kept scoring and assisting each other. And they also kept playing for the team. Both Neymar and Suarez kept scoring but it was never abt them.

Let C.Ro score Hattrick and u'll see how he'll start removing his shirt and flecing his muscles like its all abt him. Sebi it was ordinary penalty he scored in the UCL final that he was busy flexing muscle up and down the pitch.
The fact is, with C.Ro in Madrid, no other player would be allowed to shine. See wat Madrid fans did to Bale. Why cant they do dat to C.Ro too?? Afterall, he has been less than average for the past few weeks.


And if we were to meet Madrid now, i think i'll fancy our chances of us beating them. Whether its Perez or Benitez, e no concern me. Fact is Madrid ve been shit. And with LVG's philosophy, all we ve to do is hold possession and bore them to death

4get alL dis stories, Ronaldo was booed by madrid fans last night. If all you wrote up there is what you think about ronaldo then you're mistaken, if ronaldo is truly what you want me to believe he is, he won't have been better than quaresma nani nd de rest. Dis is a player rooney use to start ahead of, during their teenage years (but now he's a world beater, that shows how cool headed nd hard working he is).. He might be a showboater but that doesn't mean he isn't a team player, nd dis ur talk of the whole teams aim is for C.ron to bang in goals na wash.. When he scored 42goals playing for man.utd.. Were the team playing for him just to bang in the goals??

dopeJemi:
Abeg which vidal did barca sign?

aleix Vidal from sevilla

AdeLaNa1:
Go and read dat post well. Wat i meant was whether they spent 100 mill in one summer or not, they are guaranteed trophies every year.

Besides, United ve spent close to 100mill in the last two summers. Wat do we ve to show for it?? Champions League qualification??

that's because we don't buy elite players, the only elite player we bought was instrumental in our top four finish that season with 10+assist nd 4goals amidts difficulties of settling in a new league n all oda ish.

elampiro:
Olodo. It's success considering where they were. Without the money they would remain little.

If United had been upgrading every season like City, we should have been at same level with Barca, Madrid and Bayern.

For us to overtake City completely in EPL we need to keep upgrading. Then before you know it, we get to they level of the top three in Europe.

Should I give you the transfer policy of Madrid and Barca you would see they did almost same thing as Man City in the last 10-15 years or so.

Barca - Ibrahimovic, Ronaldinho, Mascherano, Sanchez, Pedro, Toure, Eto, Neymar, Valdez, Fabregas, Song, etc. They are always doing trial-and-error and upgrading thereof. Madrid is even worse.

And i'm not saying we shouldn't spend. I'm only against us wasting money on players we wont really need in the long run.
I'm only saying we ve to be calm and calculative abt our transfer policies. Is not every time we ve to jumping into buying the next best thing. We all saw how Di Maria and Falcao turned out

dopeJemi:
Abeg which vidal did barca sign?

Aliex Vidal

dopeJemi:
Abeg which vidal did barca sign?

Aliex Vidal f4om Sevilla. He's a RB

weedtaker:
that's because we don't buy elite players, the only elite player we bought was instrumental in our top four finish that season with 10+assist nd 4goals amidts difficulties of settling in a new league n all oda ish.

Who is the elite player you'll recommend for LvG next season {assume availability}

BarcaBlood:
aleix Vidal from sevilla

AdeLaNa1:
Aliex Vidal f4om Sevilla. He's a RB

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