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Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by kleek: 11:23pm On Dec 04, 2015 |
kingston277:bla bla bla, someone like me would be demeaning myself to waste time arguing with a simple minded person like you. Show me an IQ above 100, and then we will talk. Otherwise just go fuq yourself. |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by kingston277(m): 1:55am On Dec 05, 2015 |
kleek:So basically the West after the 1970s. |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by Sagamite(m): 8:16am On Dec 05, 2015 |
Captainswag225: You are a dumb, cretinous fuuktard. Please tell us what you regard as the "black man's model of development" and why that would be better than the "black man using the whiteman's model of development". 2 Likes |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by pleep(m): 6:48pm On Dec 05, 2015 |
Sagamite:sagamite! long time ooo |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by PhysicsQED(m): 4:36am On Dec 06, 2015 |
I don't have much time right now to discuss the general idea of this thread in great detail, but I probably will near the end of December or the beginning of January. Also, after reading most of the thread, I think if I did join the discussion we might just go over most of the same ground we did in that eugenics thread from before. I'll come back to the thread later with a different line of argument later though. |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by PhysicsQED(m): 5:27am On Dec 06, 2015 |
pleep: Though it may be hard to believe now, black Africans did build structures, some of which, even in the 19th century, the same Europeans (who did indeed have steamships, machine guns, telegraphy, etc.) found impressive. This comes through more clearly in written sources. Another thing that becomes more obvious when one reads more descriptions is that the surviving images we have of important buildings from historical African states are not really the best ones that would have conveyed how impressive these kingdoms were when they were thriving. Of course, that is mostly our (Africans') fault for not keeping a better record of things, but it is something to keep in mind when using the limited catalog of images we do have to try to get an idea of what those kingdoms built in the past. |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by pleep(m): 5:50am On Dec 06, 2015 |
PhysicsQED: I cleaned up the discussion and moved it here: https://www.nairaland.com/2783928/intellectual-discussion-black-people-lower#40730617 |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by pleep(m): 6:10am On Dec 06, 2015 |
PhysicsQED:I know that black Africans built structures. However, referencing the fact that we did is a terrible way to argue against the suggestion that black people are unintelligent. The two issues are unrelated. If they were related, and if the quality of buildings historically built in an area were a measure of intelligence of its people the black race would be much stupider than even I believe. Buildings built in the west were infinitely superior objectively speaking. The relative lack of sophistication in African architecture was the result of an environment not conducive to sophisticated building. Basically the "Guns Germs and Steel" argument; lack of the required types of stone/other materials and lack of 'civilizational' development caused by lack of surplus producing crops (cassava was not even introduced to the region until the 1600's). Comparing historical African buildings to European buildings is like comparing apples to oranges. Kingston was retarded enough to make that comparison so i was forced to show him how stupid it was. This is why I have very little patience to talk to these types of people without insulting them. |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by pleep(m): 6:21am On Dec 06, 2015 |
PhysicsQED: As for African buildings being more sophisticated than is commonly assumed, I agree. However, In the scheme of things I don't see these buildings as an achievement, they are just examples of people making the most out of a bad environment. We cannot hold the opinion that African Architecture was objectively good compared to other societies without first rejecting the Guns Germs and Steel theory. Do you reject that theory? |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by PhysicsQED(m): 8:37am On Dec 06, 2015 |
pleep: What I meant to point out is basically this: At every stage of history, from ancient to "medieval" times, up until about the late 19th century, there was some African polity that had great architecture that could compete favorably in aesthetic quality and visual appeal with buildings from anywhere else around the world - that is what the surviving written and archaeological evidence about various African states strongly suggests. The relative lack of sophistication in African architecture was the result of an environment not conducive to sophisticated building. Basically the "Guns Germs and Steel" argument; lack of the required types of stone/other materials and lack of 'civilizational' development caused by lack of surplus producing crops (cassava was not even introduced to the region until the 1600's). The areas that the best of African architecture lagged behind in when compared to the best of Asian or European architecture was not in aesthetic quality or visual appeal but mostly in technical aspects. I am not denying that the absence of better building materials throughout much of the continent was an issue - it definitely was an issue, and the technical advantages that some non-African architectures enjoyed over many African architectures outside of the areas of Kush/Nubia and Ethiopia are not something I would deny. But to pretend that there was a lack of sophistication in the best of African architecture in terms of aesthetics would be to deny what the written sources state. To give one example from the 19th century of aesthetic appeal, the palace of the ruler of Ilesha, in the southwestern part of Nigeria, was described by the American missionary W.H. Clarke, who saw it in 1856: "As I approached the residence of the king, its size, fine appearance and beautiful location satisfied me that this was the royal palace. . ." He also described the building as "truly impressive and interesting", remarked that "some of the pillars and timbers of this building are quite massive for the management of the people who know nothing of the mechanical arts and labour-saving machines" and noted that the interior of the building had a "fine court" that was 80 by 160 feet in area. (The source for these quotes is Clarke's book Travels and Discoveries in Yorubaland 1854–1858). Needless to say, there is not a single surviving sketch or photograph of this building when it actually existed in the condition Clarke saw it in. Another example, also from the beginning of the 20th century is Lord Lugard's reaction upon seeing the Kano city walls when the British invaded: "The force reached Kano, where the extent and formidable nature of fortifications surpassed the best-informed anticipation of our officers. Needless to say, I have never seen, or imagined, anything like this in Africa. The wall was 11 miles in perimeter, with 13 gates all newly built. Subsequent measurement at several points by the Public Works Department proved the walls to be from 30 to 50 ft high and about 40 ft thick at the base, with a double ditch in front. . ." The battered remnants of the Kano walls today are in a state of complete and utter decay. Yet another example. Consider the "royal road" of Dahomey: "Nineteenth-century European visitors to the kingdom of Dahomey were not easily impressed, certainly not by any infrastructural refinement. So when one after another perceived grandeur in the Cana-Abomey road, it was no small compliment. For French travelers the road was "magnifique," "superbe," a "merveille," "fort belle," "vraiment belle," or "des plus belles."1 For British travelers "splendid" or - perhaps the ultimate accolade - as broad as any thoroughfare in England.2 This remarkable road was the last leg of the regular route from Dahomey's Atlantic port of Whydah to the royal capital at Abomey. Its basic purpose was not to impress foreigners on their approach to the capital, as one might imagine, but to allow the kings of Dahomey to travel to and from Cana in style." "Besides the road's width, Europeans were most impressed by the trees that lined it. Fraser says that in places the trees were "apparently equidistant," but at any rate they were planted close enough to each other to provide frequent shade.2" By the mid-nineteenth century some were very big. Beecroft (1850) saw "large majestic Trees, towering over the heads of quantities of the beautiful Palm Trees interspersed under their lofty Protection [sic] branches. "29 In 1863 Borghero said the road was bordered by "gigantic trees" that gave it "an imposing look."30 Burton (1864) remarked that many trees along the road were pollarded to increase the shade.3' By the early 1890s the whole length was said to be shaded by "splendid arches of verdure."32 Lissner said some trees were so huge "their branches alone are as thick as the trunks of European forest veterans." "Fraser rated the royal road environs "by far the prettiest part of the journey" from the coast."4 Bouit called the countryside "extremely beautiful," with "pretty dwellings [and] rich croplands extending as far as one could see on both sides of the route.""4 Repin said the lay of the land favored the traveler with "views both varied and pleasant; it's a sort of kitchen garden supplying grain and vegetables."42 For Burton, the land from Cana to Abomey was "emphatically the garden of Dahome, showing a wondrous soft and pleasant aspect... a succession of palm orchards and grain fields... [with] frequent villages that stud the fair champaign."43 These three quotes are from: "Dahomey's Royal Road" Author: Stanley B. Alpern Source: History in Africa, Vol. 26 (1999), pp. 11-24 Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/3172135 Of course, neither the remnants of that road nor the fine countryside and decorations that surrounded it are visible today and I have yet to hear or read of a road in the present Republic of Benin, where Dahomey was located, being described with such enthusiasm by foreign tourists. These three examples are all from around the 19th century. And there are still other 19th century examples that I could provide of ruins or still standing structures that visitors to areas in Africa besides Nubia, Egypt, or Ethiopia found impressive. pleep: I do not reject the idea that environment had a huge influence on the differences between much of African architecture and architecture from other parts of the world. I also do not deny that there were some technical/engineering aspects that some Africans were bested in by other parts of the world in terms of architecture. But it cannot be denied that visitors from outside of Africa do provide unambiguous written evidence of the existence of structures that they thought were impressive and which they compared favorably to that of their own societies at the time of their writing. You can say that kingston is being sentimental and devoid of objectivity or that I am being sentimental and devoid of objectivity on this issue because we are black, but I doubt you could explain away the numerous positive descriptions of various structures throughout Africa that one finds in written records from non-black people as just being centuries and centuries of sentimentality and a lack of objectivity on the part of complete strangers to Africa. |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by Sagamite(m): 11:44am On Dec 06, 2015 |
pleep: Yeah, man. You good, mate? |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by Nobody: 12:44pm On Dec 12, 2015 |
alanmwene:you know, i jst read all my posts and it says like 'we ethiopians are not lyk this, we are lyk this' or whatever, it seems lyk i was superior, but i didn't mean to do that, am very very sorrry! all i was trying to do was to defend my country! everybody is equal, i dnt beleive in superiority. and u can say whatever you want about us, u can call as dull or stupid or as u want if u feel good. but am soo sorrry, for being arrogant, i've fighted for my country i luvvv the most, i always wished to let ppl respect her and i have tried so much. my sorryness includes pleep and every nairalanders.I AM SORRY. you just don't understand how i cry when my ppl and country is hurted. i am truly truly truly sorrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyy. |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by fleep(m): 3:21am On Dec 28, 2015 |
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Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by Nobody: 3:51am On Dec 28, 2015 |
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Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by Nobody: 1:48pm On Jan 28, 2016 |
alanmwene: even though Christianity is an imported religion, we don't worship God as any other country in the world. we use Ge'ez and Amharic language in our church and our symbols in our bible. we celebrate finding of the true cross, epiphany, Christmas and other celebrations our own way. did you know we Ethiopian orthodox Christians cover our hair when we go to church, wear long dresses? our way of worshiping God is also one of our big tourist attractions. Somalia is another story, we don't share similar cultures at all. They all are Muslims, while here we have 71% of just only orthodox Christians in the city. hope ya get what am sayin' here are our celebration pix, how we celebrate finding of the true cross
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Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by Nobody: 1:55pm On Jan 28, 2016 |
Ednite: epiphany in ethiopia
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Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by robosky02(m): 1:58pm On Jan 28, 2016 |
Ednite: ok how you doing |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by Nobody: 2:02pm On Jan 28, 2016 |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by robosky02(m): 2:07pm On Jan 28, 2016 |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by Nobody: 2:08pm On Jan 28, 2016 |
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Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by robosky02(m): 2:14pm On Jan 28, 2016 |
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Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by Nobody: 2:16pm On Jan 28, 2016 |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by robosky02(m): 2:29pm On Jan 28, 2016 |
Ednite: ooooooooooooohhhhh get one pls lol |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by Nobody: 5:40pm On Jan 28, 2016 |
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Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by Nobody: 5:44pm On Jan 28, 2016 |
Ednite: Omg! i don't know why the pixes am savin' r being too freekin' small these days. GREAT BIG HUG. . . . . .anyway |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by robosky02(m): 8:53pm On Jan 28, 2016 |
Ednite: wow lovely thanks 1 Like |
Re: The Black Race Is Unintelligent. by BigBashiru: 1:34pm On Aug 18, 2020 |
pleep: ... |
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