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vooks:
Am looking for a claim that Mary never fed Jesus and I can't find it. You made this up, right?


I thought so and am looking for anybody who claims otherwise as you insist. I need to see these claims for myself else I will dismiss them as baseless sideshows



If it is not too much, could you show me where the 'bible explained it in details' ?

Thank you and God bless you


I have gone through John 2 and I can't find Mary counseling Jesus. Please point to me where she counseled/advised Jesus Christ. I don't want to guess but let me ask, is Mary informing Jesus that they have no wine the 'counsel'?



All I seek is Mary 'recommending a course of action to Jesus' from John 2 or anywhere seeing she is the queen mother.

Once again, thank you and God bless you.


And you pray to them to possess you?


No He is not and that's why I was sent to call you out of paganism and satanism


Waoh, you read where he said Mary was like a surrogate mother? Now, do you expect a surrogate mother feeds a baby? No, I didn't and I will Revelation 14:4-5 (ESV)
Come out of her, my people,
lest you take part in her sins,
lest you share in her plagues;
5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven,
and God has remembered her iniquities.

Well, I did not digress. I will quote exactly what I said to reboot your memory.

dmandy: At least, I have seen some protestant that agreed that Mary fed Jesus, you colleagues will say Mary was only a surrogate mother and never did anything after Jesus was born. God bless you for this.

Yes, that is a counsel, if you know the meaning of the word. If it was just informing Jesus like you think, Jesus would not have bothered explaining that his time has not yet come. And trust me, she won't bother counseling the disciples. Truth is truth, no matter who says it. O yes brother, recommending a course of action is 'counsel'. Once again, you are welcome. May God bless you too. I can see the hand work of God here.

Lolx... I am there own. I have confessed that to them and I told you I did. Thank you for so much for your concern, but I am not into paganism and Satanism. There a whole lot of people out there who require that help. I have also joined the world crusade in preaching against paganism and Satanism, and God will help us achieve this in the Name Jesus his son.


I lend my voice to that of Rev 14:4 too and shout
Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

And I add with St James Embrace the "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world" and don't curse the one whom God has called blessed.

God bless you.

vooks:
Ok.
Psalms 2:9 (ESV)
9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.”

Revelation 2:25-27 (ESV)
25 Only hold fast what you have until I come. 26 The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, 27 and he will rule them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father.

The catchphrase is 'rule the nations with an iron rod', right?
This is what IDs the woman's son as Jesus. Is this what you are saying?

Sorry, your second question is unclear to me. Mind rephrasing? Yes, is my answer to your first.

dmandy:
Sorry, your second question is unclear to me. Mind rephrasing? Yes, is my answer to your first.

IDs is abbreviation of identifies.

vooks:
IDs is abbreviation of identifies.

Okay, thank you.

Back to your question, o yes, it does identify the woman's son as Jesus.

dmandy:
Well, I did not digress. I will quote exactly what I said to reboot your memory.

All I need is somebody claiming this not you claiming that somebody claimed thus.

Am waiting

Yes, that is a counsel, if you know the meaning of the word. If it was just informing Jesus like you think, Jesus would not have bothered explaining that his time has not yet come. And trust me, she won't bother counseling the disciples. Truth is truth, no matter who says it. O yes brother, recommending a course of action is 'counsel'. Once again, you are welcome. May God bless you too. I can see the hand work of God here.

Your own definition of counsel is 'recommending a course of action'. What course of action did Mary recommend to Jesus?

Mary offered a counsel (recommended a course of action) to Jesus at the wedding at Cana. I said it before and I will say it again. I did not redefine any term, you can get a dictionary, look up the meaning of the verb 'counsel'.

What counsel did Mary offer to Jesus at the wedding in Cana?
Mary presented a need/problem. If this is offering Jesus counsel, would you say the same of those who brought their sick to Jesus as well? Did they counsel Jesus?

Lolx... I am there own. I have confessed that to them and I told you I did. Thank you for so much for your concern, but I am not into paganism and Satanism. There a whole lot of people out there who require that help. I have also joined the world crusade in preaching against paganism and Satanism, and God will help us achieve this in the Name Jesus his son.

Then stop idolatry,paganism and worshipping Devils.

I lend my voice to that of Rev 14:4 too and shout
Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

And I add with St James Embrace the "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world" and don't curse the one whom God has called blessed.

God bless you.

Receive healing from blindness in Jesus name

dmandy:
Okay, thank you.

Back to your question, o yes, it does identify the woman's son as Jesus.

Thank you

Question
Revelation 2:25-27 (ESV)
25 Only hold fast what you have until I come. 26 The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, 27 and he will rule them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father.

Chapter 2 promises those who overcome that they shall rule with an iron rod. Why would you settle on Jesus Christ and not these as the man-child?

vooks:
All I need is somebody claiming this not you claiming that somebody claimed thus.

Am waiting


Your own definition of counsel is 'recommending a course of action'. What course of action did Mary recommend to Jesus?

Mary presented a need. If this is offering Jesus counsel, would you say the same of those who brought their sick to Jesus as well? Did they counsel Jesus?


Then stop idolatry,paganism and worshipping Devils.



Receive healing from blindness in Jesus name

I just gave you a link. Well, do wait any longer. I won't oblige you. I may not mind answering your questions over and over again to make you get it, but I will certainly not dwell in trivialness just for the fun of it. If you don't want to read my post, its not my business.

Yes, they did. When they didn't present their sick friends for Jesus to see and go. They had something in mind. They want Jesus to do (that) something. I hate running in circles, but you are my man. If you are still confused ask me. I have never and will never practice any form of idolatry, paganism and devil worshiping. Jesus won't let that and surely Mother Mary won't either.

Amen. Thanks for the prayers.

dmandy:
I just gave you a link. Well, do wait any longer. I won't oblige you. I may not mind answering your questions over and over again to make you get it, but I will certainly not dwell in trivialness just for the fun of it. If you don't want to read my post, its not my business.

Yes, they did. When they didn't present their sick friends for Jesus to see and go. They had something in mind. They want Jesus to do (that) something. I hate running in circles, but you are my man. If you are still confused ask me. I have never and will never practice any form of idolatry, paganism and devil worshiping. Jesus won't let that and surely Mother Mary won't either.

Amen. Thanks for the prayers.

You should have pointed what part of the link made the claim as am copying and highlighting your posts. Why send me on a wild goose chase.
Specifically you stated that 'some' Protestants deny Mary fed Jesus. I need to see just one who said thus. Just one of the 'many' you have ran into.

According to dmandy,
Presenting a need to Jesus = Counseling Jesus = recommending a course of action TO Jesus= proof that Mary is queen mother co-reigning with her son and advising her?

Does it then not follow that all who pray to Jesus are essentially Counseling him and co-reigning with him?

dmandy, ever read of Blind Bartimaeus counseling Jesus?
Mark 10:46-48 (ESV)
46 And they came to Jericho. And as he was leaving Jericho with his disciples and a great crowd, Bartimaeus, a blind beggar, the son of Timaeus, was sitting by the roadside. 47 And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out and say, “Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!” 48 And many rebuked him, telling him to be silent. But he cried out all the more, “Son of David, have mercy on me!”

vooks:
Thank you

Question
Revelation 2:25-27 (ESV)
25 Only hold fast what you have until I come. 26 The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, 27 and he will rule them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father.

Chapter 2 promises those who overcome that they shall rule with an iron rod. Why would you settle on Jesus Christ and not these as the man-child?

Exactly,

did you remember what the inheritance of those who work with Jesus are? I will tell you. Matt22:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. These will share the inheritance of Jesus Rom 8:17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light

In the passage you quoted Jesus is telling you that inheritance which he has and which those who keep faith in him will share.

Now this is why Rev 12 talks about Jesus who will rule all the nations.

dmandy:
Exactly,

did you remember what the inheritance of those who work with Jesus are? I will tell you. Matt22:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. These will share the inheritance of Jesus Rom 8:17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light

In the passage you quoted Jesus is telling you that inheritance which he has and which those who keep faith in him will share.

Now this is why Rev 12 talks about Jesus who will rule all the nations.

So, why can't the man-child be all those who will reign with Christ?

vooks:
You should have pointed what part of the link made the claim as am copying and highlighting your posts. Why send me on a wild goose chase.
Specifically you stated that 'some' Protestants deny Mary fed Jesus. I need to see just one who said thus. Just one of the 'many' you have ran into.

According to dmandy,
Presenting a need to Jesus = Counseling Jesus = recommending a course of action TO Jesus= proof that Mary is queen mother co-reigning with her son and advising her?

Does it then not follow that all who pray to Jesus are essentially Counseling him and co-reigning with him?

Lolz @wild goose chase, Isn't it what we have been doing. Well I don't care

Yes I did imply that some protestants deny Mary fed Jesus but not specifically as you put it. However, I stand by what I said anyone who could say Mary was just like a surrogate mother and was never called mum by Jesus, clearly implies that Mary didn't fed Jesus. And it is as simple as that. I never made anything up. The post was addressed to me and not someone else.

Oh yes, I said those. The very time you start reading in context you will understand that sometimes 'go = play = run' depending on the context. My prove that Mary is a queen mother is beyond that. It is much more than semantics, but clearly explained in the bible. Mary is the Mother of a King, who is (King of Kings) as such his mother is a queen. QED.

It does follow that you when you do his will on earth, you will co-reign with him in heaven when you depart here.

vooks:
So, why can't the man-child be all those who will reign with Christ?

No, it is not. The bible is specific here, it said 'A woman' gave birth to 'a Child'. You see why it cannot be 'those people'? You don't have to change it to suite your G/O's explanation. Stick with what the bible said.

dmandy:
Lolz @wild goose chase, Isn't it what we have been doing. Well I don't care

Yes I did, imply that some protestants deny Mary fed Jesus but not specifically as you put it. However, I stand by what I said anyone who could say Mary was just like a surrogate mother and was never called mum by Jesus, clearly implies that Mary didn't fed Jesus. And it is as simple as that. I never made anything up. The post was addressed to me and not someone else.

You should have said those were your insinuations and I'd have let it pass. No need beating about the bush. Did you bother to confirm the context of surrogacy used by the 'protestant'?

Oh yes, I said those. The very time you start reading in context you will understand that sometimes 'go = play = run' depending on the context. My prove that Mary is a queen mother is beyond that. It is much more than semantics, but clearly explained in the bible. Mary is the Mother of a King, who is (King of Kings) as such his mother is a queen. QED.

In short, Revelation 12 'proof' is questionable so you abandon it, how clever!

Could you kindly present where it is 'clearly explained in the bible'?

It does follow that you when you do his will on earth, you will co-reign with him in heaven when you depart here.

Hmmmm
Let's see, the best or the first proof of Mary advising/counseling God which is 'recommending a course of action' is Mary reporting a need at Cana, something Bartimaeus did. Is this all the basis for your co-reigning doctrine sir? If it is not, please give me more scriptures, man lives by EVERY word that proceeds out of the mouth of YHWH. Don't tire

Am not done with you on Revelation 12 sir. Why can't the church, the victorious church that will reign be the man-child? Any specific rationale for eliminating this candidate?

dmandy:
No, it is not. The bible is specific here, it said 'A woman' gave birth to 'a Child'. You see why it cannot be 'those people'? You don't have to change it to suite your G/O's explanation. Stick with what the bible said.

Ok, so it is all about plural and singularity, right?
A male child can't be the church because the church has more than a member. Is this your reasoning dmandy?

vooks:
Ok, so it is all about plural and singularity, right?
A male child can't be the church because the church has more than a member. Is this your reasoning dmandy?

It's about everything written in the bible. The word of God is inspired.

Lolx... the bible refers to the Church as the bride. That is my reasoning Sir. No, it can't be 'the church' not according to my reasoning and definitely not that of the bible.

dmandy:
Lolx... the bible refers to the Church as the bride. That is my reasoning Sir. No, it can't be according to my reasoning and that of the bible.

Sorry, you mean the bible refers to the church as the bride and not man child?

vooks:
Sorry, you mean the bible refers to the church as the bride and not man child?

Lolx,

that passage said a child, a son. Try another gymnastics.

dmandy:
Lolx,

that passage said a child, a son. Try another gymnastics.

Ok. Fair enough.
Let's move on. The woman has other offsprings yet according to you Mary has no other children

Revelation 12:17 (ESV)
17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

vooks:
Ok. Fair enough.
Let's move on. The woman has other offsprings yet according to you Mary has no other children

Thanks,

Yes, the woman have other offspring v17. Of course, Mary has other 'adopted' offspring as seen in in 19:26/27.

dmandy:
Thanks,

Yes, the woman have other offspring v17. Of course, Mary has other 'adopted' offspring as seen in in 19:26/27.

What is 19:26/27?

vooks:
What is 19:26/27?

Sorry,

John 19: 26/27

dmandy:
Sorry,

John 19: 26/27

Which part of John 19:26/27 supports your claim

vooks:
Which part of John 19:26/27 supports your claim

It's not my claim, I am talking the scripture here.

When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Mother, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Son, here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

Here Mary becomes the mother of yet another.

dmandy:
It's not my claim, I am talking the scripture here.

When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Mother, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Son, here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

Here Mary becomes the mother of yet another.

Mother of John.
She adopted somebody else I missed seeing Revelation talks of offsprings?

And why can't the rest of her offsprings be natural? Any scripture to support this?

vooks:
Mother of John.
She adopted somebody else I missed seeing Revelation talks of offsprings?

And why can't the rest of her offsprings be natural? Any scripture to support this?

Yes, Mother of the 'beloved disciple'. Take it easy, you will understand. Just acknowledge anyone you get, okay. Now, did you understand how 'Mary' became the mother of 'the beloved disciple', John? If yes, say thank you let's move on.

Yes, 'it talks about the rest of her offspring' who keep His commandment.

No, it can be why not? But, it is not. I am showing you how it happened. If you are with me, thank me and let's move on.

***added***

As I await your appreciation of this great insight before we continue let me tell you about 'the beloved disciple'
Jn 1:35... a former disciple of John
Jn 13:23.... leaned on Jesus at the last supper
Jn 18:15... walked into the court while Peter denied Jesus
Jn 19:25.... became an adopted 'son' of Mary. We are here
Jn 20:2. .. was first to witness the resection
Jn 21:7... first to recognize Jesus in Galilee
21:23.... Jesus refused to predict his end

dmandy:
Yes, Mother of the 'beloved disciple'. Take it easy, you will understand. Just acknowledge anyone you get, okay. Now, did you understand how 'Mary' became the mother of 'the beloved disciple', John? If yes, say thank you let's move on.

Yes, 'it talks about the rest of her offspring' who keep His commandment.

No, it can be why not? But, it is not. I am showing you how it happened. If you are with me, thank me and let's move on.

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Hope you are doing great.

dmandy:
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I am enjoying my Christmas break here, sir... I am having fun while doing my best to deflect their puffed up conspiracy theories.

Hope you are doing great.

Sure am doing great.... Am sure you are, so no need to ask "how you are doing..."

Am just wacthing you guys from the background...

vooks:
And why can't the rest of her offsprings be natural? Any scripture to support this?

And why can't the rest of her offsprings be natural?

Ans: Because God has decided so.


Any scripture to support this?

Ans: Yes.

Ezekiel.44:2 "Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut".

Rich4god:
Sure am doing great.... Am sure you are, so no need to ask "how you are doing..."

Am just wacthing you guys from the background...

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dmandy:
Zoom your lens brotherly,

We about to land that is if they don't go on sabbatical

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Rich4god:
lol.... You guys discussion is like journey through the space.... There is no end in sight...

I thought as much.

What do you suggest?