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APCHaram:
Was the Kabbah not a pagan shrine? Did your prophet not at one time declare all the gods in the Kabbah as part of his allah's family and OK to worship?

Islam is paganism masquerading in pretense of worshiping the one and true GOD.

Who gave you this false information? Your pastor right?

abduljabbar4:
Who gave you this false information? Your pastor right?

Did Mohammed build the kabbah?

Didn't he seize it from the polythesist Arabs when he conquered mecca?

You nothing about your religion.

Nah just to knack head for ground una sabi

abduljabbar4:
Who gave you this false information? Your pastor right?

The bible say never argue with a fool least you become one. The fool is better ignored. Simply states facts and watch him and his co-fools chat themselves up. Imagine the bovine specie saying non muslims are bannrd from saudi Arabia while in fact they are xtians who live and work there. They are only restricted from going to Mecca which is considered a holy place for muslims. PDP seek to forment strife anf division. They are merchants of hate.

APCHaram:
The kabbah predates Islam and was a shrine dedicated to pagan worshiping and the deity known as allah

Thank you. Even though you still cant quote ur source. Your answer was given using verbs associated with past tense "was", "predates".
So its safe to conclude that they no longer worship those pagans there thanks to someone or something.

isiaka007:
Thank you. Even though you still cant quote ur source. Your answer was given using verbs associated with past tense "was", "predates".
So its safe to conclude that they no longer worship those pagans there thanks to someone or something.

Islamic theology has some of its roots in various pagan beliefs.  Primary to Islam is it's most holiest shrine:  the Kaba.
 
The Kaba is now the most revered sanctuary of Islam.  It is located in Mecca.  Muslims throughout the world direct their prayers toward the Kaba.
 There were 360 idols around the Kaba.  The pilgrimages to the Kaba were all pagan pilgrimages, the ritual processions around the Kaba were part of pagan beliefs and custom, the white robes worn by the pilgrims were from pagan faiths, the veneration of the Kaba and black stone are derived from pagan rituals and beliefs.  Pagans called out the names of their pagan gods as they circled the Kaba, today, Muslims call out Allah's name.  Pagans ran between the nearby hills, Muhammad authorized Muslims to do that in the Quran, and probably ran between the hills himself.
           
The chief pagan god worshipped there was Hubal, who could be called the god of Mecca and of the Kaba.  Hubal is not mentioned in the Quran. The goddesses al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat were also worshipped there and are mentioned in the Quran. It is thought that the Kaba was originally set up for astral worship.  Golden suns and moons are repeatedly mentioned as the votive gifts.  Some pagans regarded the Kaba as a temple devoted to the sun, moon, and 5 planets.
The black stone played a prominent role in pagan worship.  The pagans offered animal sacrifices there.  But the idol of the black stone replaced the alter; on the black stone they smeared the blood of the sacrificed animals.

isiaka007:
Thank you. Even though you still cant quote ur source. Your answer was given using verbs associated with past tense "was", "predates".
So its safe to conclude that they no longer worship those pagans there thanks to someone or something.

Why will your prophet revere the very symbol and centre of pagan deity?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Mohammed_kaaba_1315.jpg

The fact remains that Mohammed turned the centre of worship from Jerusalem where he used to pray towards to the Arab pagan shrine of the Kaba after his doctrine was rejected by the Jews and Christians in Medina.

It is from this point only him claimed the pagan shrine to be the alter built by Abraham.

The religion is a scam thriving on pagan roots and practices by a man desperate for followers.

APCHaram:
Why will your prophet revere the very symbol and centre of pagan deity?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Mohammed_kaaba_1315.jpg

no one understands the way of God. I think its hypocritical for you to ask that being that your religion has neglected a lot of the teachings of christ and instead now follow the teachings of apostle paul who was an avowed enemy of christianity. Why is it easy for you to understand that apostle paul has really "changed" but difficult to understand that the kaabah has been cleansed of all its pagan heritage and has been taken over God. This goes to show the power of God over those who go against him. How hard is that to understand if u can accept someone who once persecuted you this shouldnt be hard i think?

After they will say Buhari is a man of intergrity!!

Anyone who has half a brain, and follows political history well, will remember that in 1984, because state of the economy of this country; Buhari declared that only those of 18years and above are allowed to go for pilgrimage!!

What are those kids of his doing with him, on pilgrimage, in a place that is supposed to be Holy ground??

You see how this man take be?
#ChangingParadeSince1984

isiaka007:
no one understands the way of God. I think its hypocritical for you to ask that being that your religion has neglected a lot of the teachings of christ and instead now follow the teachings of apostle paul who was an avowed enemy of christianity. Why is it easy for you to understand that apostle paul has really "changed" but difficult to understand that the kaabah has been cleansed of all its pagan heritage and has been taken over God. This goes to show the power of God over those who go against him. How hard is that to understand if u can accept someone who once persecuted you this shouldnt be hard i think?

How can you compare Paul to the Kabbah?

Paul converted to Christianity and remained true to the Christian faith.

Your religion started of claiming to be like that of the people of the book only for it to revert to pagan worshiping rituals and it's centre.

This is why we who know the truth about your religion know from the last hadith credited to your prophet to kill the Jews and Christians is more than enough evidence that you bear real hatred for us.

APCHaram:
And what is good in your Kabbah?

Are you aware that mecca is a no go area for non muslims?

If Rome was like that and Jonathan visited Rome won't you muslims go up in arms?

I remember when Jonathan visited the wailing wall in Jerusalem some of you Muslims went berserk. Or can we forget how the likes of El Rufai mocked Jonathan on social media for kneeling down and praying in Church?

The fact that the evil house of Saud opened their pagan shrine to Buhari back in 1984 does not in anyway concern us who are not muslims as we don't give a damn about whatever honor or reverence this had to buhari's prestige as a despotic muslim.

Kappish?

You're African, how in the hell are you sounding this butt-hurt over foreign religions?!

ISpiksDaTroof:
You're African, how in the hell are you sounding this butt-hurt over foreign religions?!

I am Nigerian for now and in my useless country I have witnessed with my very own eyes Islamic lunacy.

APCHaram:
I am Nigerian for now and in my useless country I have witnessed with my very own eyes Islamic lunacy.

Read again...slowly.

[quote author=APCHaram post=41274582]Even though I admire the fierceness of your arguments all they tend to be are still spurious claims. Because you still haven't been able to quote a single source. Which of the hadiths are you talking about. What is the number of the said hadith. Who was the reporter. Is it authentic. Furthermore I need you to think about this how you say apostle Paul has changed when all his letters, advices and sermons are in direct contrast to Christ's. Christ's teachings in the gospels are not consistent with apostle Paul's
Views. Why? If you can truly answer this with proof then you still have my attention.

APCHaram:
And what is good in your Kabbah?

Are you aware that mecca is a no go area for non muslims?

If Rome was like that and Jonathan visited Rome won't you muslims go up in arms?

I remember when Jonathan visited the wailing wall in Jerusalem some of you Muslims went berserk. Or can we forget how the likes of El Rufai mocked Jonathan on social media for kneeling down and praying in Church?

The fact that the evil house of Saud opened their pagan shrine to Buhari back in 1984 does not in anyway concern us who are not muslims as we don't give a damn about whatever honor or reverence this had to buhari's prestige as a despotic muslim.

Kappish?

you don't own nairaland,you're not the only one using it,this thread wasn't opened for you,no one mentioned you and no one is forcing you to comment either so stop showing everyone the big fool you are.goat!

vedaxcool:
The bible say never argue with a fool least you become one. The fool is better ignored. Simply states facts and watch him and his co-fools chat themselves up. Imagine the bovine specie saying non muslims are bannrd from saudi Arabia while in fact they are xtians who live and work there. They are only restricted from going to Mecca which is considered a holy place for muslims. PDP seek to forment strife anf division. They are merchants of hate.

Arguing with them is the same as an illiterate arguing with a professor. Imagine, you are a Muslim with enough Islamic knowledge and a person who has never for just one minute gone to an Islamic school is trying to argue with you about Islam and even telling you that he knows a lot more than you. They are just crazy

APCHaram:
Did Mohammed build the kabbah?

Didn't he seize it from the polythesist Arabs when he conquered mecca?

You nothing about your religion.

Nah just to knack head for ground una sabi

So, teach me about my religion. Vedaxcool come and attend this class