adeyemi2015:

I am 70% convinced LVG has learned his lessons! I watched his last Press Conference and I was pitying him. I am expecting a new tactic against the Stoke City! He's determined to turn things around! He knows Fans are getting tired of his philosophy and Press wouldn't stop criticising his style of management!
He doesn't want to lose the Dressing Room, thus he needs to devise a better tactic that will guarantee us "Victories" henceforth!
I say "NO" to Jose Mourinho!!!

He never changes, history has shown that. He would rather resign.

SIRcumalot:

We couldn't counter successfully because Norwich ceded control and gave us possession our lack of inventiveness in the final third killed us in all three games

I think all the shuffling of the team is too accomodate rooney do you all think Giggs have the balls to bench rooney ?

When I mentioned that we can't attack or defend I meant this team.
We deluded ourselves into believing we had a strong defense when our conservative approach covered our lapses, in must win games when we actually go gung ho (at least as can be expected by these team) we leaked goals at the back.

I really don't want to start defending LVG like I said earlier the man has is fault but maybe their is some method to the madness.

We couldn`t counter successfully because of our slow build up play. There were times should have but the players prefer to still move the ball around which gives Norwich players time to regroup and this isn`t happening for the first time.

If he`s not ready to bench Rooney, why not play him behind Martial instead. Martial is our only reliable source of goal upfront

What do you expect of a defence that doesn`t have a proper DM? Schneiderlin was on the bench in the last two games that we lost. Was it that he`s not fit? If he`s not fit against Bournemouth, what about against Norwich?

During the Bournemouth game, Fellaini was a likely source of levelling the match, he removed him and brought in Powell who did nothing throughout his 16 mins plus on the pitch.

Too many wrong decisions by him.

SIRcumalot:

Jose is my personal choice am not conceited enough to think my choice is acceptable by the red army. I suggest Klopp as somebody who everybody will get behind for the other page (you never show then).

Festus Onigbinde can be my personal choice but I should have a reason which I can communicate in a board meeting & some other board member might nod in agreement. Remember we are trying to tackle this shiit we've been mired in staring from Ed's mirror. It's not so convenient to just speak as fans without trying to feel the weigh on the management's shoulders in critical deliberations when they gather.

I don't think long term works anymore but that is just me.
Moyes was our one chance at the long term game and we didn't even allow the ninja finish one season.

The succession plan was ruined by sentiments & hope! It was badly handled that's why the colorless human got the boot.
Long term is definitely an identity of Manchester United & that's why most times I insist we've moved onwards since Moyes. Some people interprete that to mean "anything better than Moyes is fine" but no.
From Everton, United & Moyes never had the same pattern of play of the pitch, this is where the hope angle applies. It's pure nonsense & the board realized that on time or late - I don't really know.

Just humour me this how is appointing Jose going to ruin our brand ?
He didn't ruin Chelsea their still chanting his name there.
He certainly didn't ruin Intermilan,(benitez did) a strong case could be made that he saved Madrid.

What I mean by long term is not the same manager for 26 years but having a progressive structure.
LvG plays possession based football which is synonymous with Sir Alex albeit to a lesser extent, mixed with wing play & counter attacking.
Sir Alex cared less about possession toward his later years & played 4-3-3 fluid counter against teams with better midfield. This was also cuz of the Glazers drain on funds of MUFC reducing his power in the market to mere reputation for allure.
RvP & Kagawa arrived in his last season which saw an introduction for "no. 10", something not synonymous @ OT.
Where Moyes comes into play here was simply "longetivity". Nothing remotely close to these Sir Alex's variations connected to the style witnessed with Moyes-Everton.

If we've moved to LvG's philosophies & trying to relaunch that identity for the new Manchester United, it's only logical we continue on that base.

Pep Guardiola is clearly a continuation cum improvement on these same principles. Giggs has been within the system for too long to be contaminated by negative football. When these guys are moved on after their work, we scheme out another manager with similar principles & the identity is established.
Jose Mourinho on the other hand is not know for any ball possession concerns so when he arrives & dismantle the base to relaunch his own pattern afresh. This invariably means we have not done anything management-wise since Sir Alex left the scene, for how long will the club be noted without refined identity?
I don't care for what he might or might not achieve in the near future, I care more that the institution has a defined blueprint of rising to & sustaining glory!

SailorXY:

Festus Onigbinde can be my personal choice but I should have a reason which I can communicate in a board meeting & some other board member might nod in agreement. Remember we are trying to tackle this shiit we've been mired in staring from Ed's mirror. It's not so convenient to just speak as fans without trying to feel the weigh on the management's shoulders in critical deliberations when they gather.

The succession plan was ruined by sentiments & hope! It was badly handled that's why the colorless human got the boot.
Long term is definitely an identity of Manchester United & that's why most times I insist we've moved onwards since Moyes. Some people interprete that to mean "anything better than Moyes is fine" but no.
From Everton, United & Moyes never had the same pattern of play of the pitch, this is where the hope angle applies. It's pure nonsense & the board realized that on time or late - I don't really know.

What I mean by long term is not the same manager for 26 years but having a progressive structure.
LvG plays possession based football which is synonymous with Sir Alex albeit to a lesser extent, mixed with wing play & counter attacking.
Sir Alex cared less about possession toward his later years & played 4-3-3 fluid counter against teams with better midfield. This was also cuz of the Glazers drain on funds of MUFC reducing his power in the market to mere reputation for allure.
RvP & Kagawa arrived in his last season which saw an introduction for "no. 10", something not synonymous @ OT.
Where Moyes comes into play here was simply "longetivity". Nothing remotely close to these Sir Alex's variations connected to the style witnessed with Moyes-Everton.

If we've moved to LvG's philosophies & trying to relaunch that identity for the new Manchester United, it's only logical we continue on that base.

Pep Guardiola is clearly a continuation cum improvement on these same principles. Giggs has been within the system for too long to be contaminated by negative football. When these guys are moved on after their work, we scheme out another manager with similar principles & the identity is established.
Jose Mourinho on the other hand is not know for any ball possession concerns so when he arrives & dismantle the base to relaunch his own pattern afresh. This invariably means we have not done anything management-wise since Sir Alex left the scene, for how long will the club be noted without refined identity?
I don't care for what he might or might not achieve in the near future, I care more that the institution has a defined blueprint of rising to & sustaining glory!

We've been lucky to know one manager for more than twenty years, but I don't see this attacking football style as our philosophy infact I see a lot of similarity between jose and SAF.

Attacking philosophy is "Arsenals way" Wenger's Arsenal used to play better football than we. Could ever hope for and for awhile rivaled Barcelona for "most fun team to watch"
(No wonder they swap players back and forth)
Wenger lived and mostly died playing that way.
Man utd on the other hand are very pragmatic(which is the one word that describes Jose best)
We adapt to whatever play style get us the WIN you just have to watch an Old gunners VS utd game to see what I mean.
I hope you understand that the time it takes for us to establish this said blueprint we're slowly on our way to becoming Liverpool.

MrLouisVanGaal:


Lvg listen to advice from jose? Confused. For the coup attempt there's pressure on the dude. People are talking to him too. I think Giggs is in a position where he wants to do somethings but contrary to what lvg wants..na the only way to react him dey react .The managers stubborness is affecting the whole team and it is reflected on Giggs who feel these guys pains. What does LVG know about how modern footballers feel when treated like kids, deprived of playing time?
Charlton gave us history ,you don't throw away history and fergie's gaffe was a lesson never to be repeated, however we are learning a new one with vanagaal

Concerning LVG the season as not ended yet.
Their is nothing wrong with advice from club legends listen to their input and take it into consideration when making decision don't take it as Gospel is what a good Manager would do.

LVG and Jose had some history together check the chelsea thread.

SIRcumalot:


We've been lucky to know one manager for more than twenty years, but I don't see this attacking football style as our philosophy infact I see a lot of similarity between jose and SAF.

Attacking philosophy is "Arsenals way" Wenger's Arsenal used to play better football than we. Could ever hope for and for awhile rivaled Barcelona for "most fun team to watch"
(No wonder they swap players back and forth)
Wenger lived and mostly died playing that way.
Man utd on the other hand are very pragmatic(which is the one word that describes Jose best)
We adapt to whatever play style get us the WIN you just have to watch an Old gunners VS utd game to see what I mean.
I hope you understand that the time it takes for us to establish this said blueprint we're slowly on our way to becoming Liverpool.

Man Utd`s way is attacking football and that`s why you hear the fans shout "attack! attack!! attack!!!". Man Utd under SAF use wing play, midfield play with quick transition of the ball to attack teams until they score. We do keep possession but not as excessive as now and not as much as Arsenal. That`s the reason why SAF always go for traditional wingers. It is always all action packed.

Arsenal on the other hand is more of possession football but not as much as Barca.

tess1:


We couldn`t counter successfully because of our slow build up play. There were times should have but the players prefer to still move the ball around which gives Norwich players time to regroup and this isn`t happening for the first time.

If he`s not ready to bench Rooney, why not play him behind Martial instead. Martial is our only reliable source of goal upfront

What do you expect of a defence that doesn`t have a proper DM? Schneiderlin was on the bench in the last two games that we lost. Was it that he`s not fit? If he`s not fit against Bournemouth, what about against Norwich?

During the Bournemouth game, Fellaini was a likely source of levelling the match, he removed him and brought in Powell who did nothing throughout his 16 mins plus on the pitch.

Too many wrong decisions by him.

Am already doing what I didn't plan to do
LVG came to us as a master tactician I mean we applauded the man for a changing keepers for a penalty shoot out
The man didn't attain this level playing in this manner.
And we saw what he did with Holland in the world cup
I say this because I have to justify some of his action I can't rationale in my mind.
I think Martial as been striking for us most times now even against bournemouth.
And the rooney thing is just team politics any other bizzare sub I just make peace with myself by saying LVG knows.
I still want him out of the club by mid season

Merry Christmas. Enjoy the wine and mince pie...

Good bye...

Merry Christmas pals

merry Christmas fam. hope the LVG ARMY gives us a nice Christmas gift by beating stoke comfortably.

Sup my United peeps. Merry Christmas u beautiful people!!

Don't 4get the "Merry" in Christmas. ...



season greetings from me to u!!!.... Happy Christmas fam!

FELIZ NAVIDAD COMRADES
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SIRcumalot:

Concerning LVG the season as not ended yet.
Their is nothing wrong with advice from club legends listen to their input and take it into consideration when making decision don't take it as Gospel is what a good Manager would do.

LVG and Jose had some history together check the chelsea thread.

If jose is advising LVG then i am not suprised. First of all does LVG even listen to the input of club legends before talking of accepting it as Gospel? The man is too full of himself. One lucky champions League and he thinks he has landed. Merry Christmas

chidexxy007:
merry Christmas fam. hope the LVG ARMY gives us a nice Christmas gift by beating stoke comfortably.

I think shakiri and arnautovic will be giving us the perfect christmas gift.

I don't have the confidence to say boldly that we will defeat Stoke City! This is a big test for LVG at this critical time - he should show the Management and the Fans what he's actually capable of because a defeat wouldn't be good for him.
My only advice for LVG is to honorably walk away if he loses to the Stoke City.

merry christmas y'all!!!!!





our trip to the britannia stadium tomorrow is giving me the hibby-jibbies........

Merry Xmas peeps!


Egbon Pataki I dey Amsterdam at the moment o..na there u dey or Eindhoven?

olabode89:
Merry Xmas peeps!


Egbon Pataki I dey Amsterdam at the moment o..na there u dey or Eindhoven?

Chief, I am in London at the moment till Monday 28th. When are you leaving?

Merry Christmas scummies! About time Martial is giving the Stoke treatment. Best Christmas news Manure will give me tomorrow.

Pataki:


Chief, I am in London at the moment till Monday 28th. When are you leaving?

Merry Christmas scummies! About time Martial is giving the Stoke treatment. Best Christmas news Manure will give me tomorrow.

honor the day of our lord

Pataki:


Chief, I am in London at the moment till Monday 28th. When are you leaving?

Merry Christmas scummies! About time Martial is giving the Stoke treatment. Best Christmas news Manure will give me tomorrow.

Choi...I will be leaving on Monday 28th.

Merry christmas, My people.

SIRcumalot:


We've been lucky to know one manager for more than twenty years, but I don't see this attacking football style as our philosophy infact I see a lot of similarity between jose and SAF.

Attacking philosophy is "Arsenals way" Wenger's Arsenal used to play better football than we. Could ever hope for and for awhile rivaled Barcelona for "most fun team to watch"
(No wonder they swap players back and forth)
Wenger lived and mostly died playing that way.
Man utd on the other hand are very pragmatic(which is the one word that describes Jose best)
We adapt to whatever play style get us the WIN you just have to watch an Old gunners VS utd game to see what I mean.
I hope you understand that the time it takes for us to establish this said blueprint we're slowly on our way to becoming Liverpool.

If there were similarities between SAF & Jose, the board could have given Jose the job long ago cuz I remember the man clearly open for the job.
Whatever caused him overlooked couldn't have changed in so short a span & that is why if he's considered three years late will be a clear indication that the board had/has no plan @ all.

The Arsenal you talk of never played better football than MUFC. Comparing their style to Barca those years is a mockery. What they mostly did was pass the aimlessly even in opposition box.
The last time we played in the FA Cup final saw United dominate from blast of the whistle till AET & that included bombardments of Lehmann's goal from all angles possible. I have never seen any better game to completely define an underserved loss!

SAF adapted to each game as they come depending on perceived strength & form. Pragmatic is a careless description. For example the 3-1 victory against Arsenal in the UCL was more of sit back & counter. The first leg was far from such approach & we earned the advantage of a victory & clean sheet from it.
The finals against Barca was a perfect stage to park the bus - SAF never did that even when it was clear to the world we stood very little chance.

MrLouisVanGaal:


I think shakiri and arnautovic will be giving us the perfect christmas gift.

Bojan!

SIRcumalot:


We've been lucky to know one manager for more than twenty years, but I don't see this attacking football style as our philosophy infact I see a lot of similarity between jose and SAF.

Attacking philosophy is "Arsenals way" Wenger's Arsenal used to play better football than we. Could ever hope for and for awhile rivaled Barcelona for "most fun team to watch"
(No wonder they swap players back and forth)
Wenger lived and mostly died playing that way.
Man utd on the other hand are very pragmatic(which is the one word that describes Jose best)
We adapt to whatever play style get us the WIN you just have to watch an Old gunners VS utd game to see what I mean.
I hope you understand that the time it takes for us to establish this said blueprint we're slowly on our way to becoming Liverpool.

SAF always got the best of Arsene because he knew Arsene was obsessed with possession and attacking, so he sets up his teams to defend and counter.

BUT

SAF normal way of playing aside against Arsenal is a direct attacking pattern orchestrated from the wings. His best players have always operated from the wings (no 7, 11) - Beckham, Ronaldo, Giggs, etc

SAF is as pragmatic as Mou but their playing patterns are different. Mou is more interested in not conceding ie defending. He believes that if you don't concede you don't lose a game.

LVG's 3-5-2 system at the World Cup was quite effective, I thought he would keep RvP and get a partner (Depay) just as RvP paired with Robben as the mobile front two at the WC. But was surprised when he let RvP go and changed to a 4-3-3.

I think he could still play a front two of Martial and Depay with Rooney behind. Both are very fast and skillful, and if they blend effectively, Man Utd would have another deadly partnership strikeforce of the calibre of Andy Cole and Dwight Yorke.

From an Arsenal fan with love.

SIRcumalot:

Am already doing what I didn't plan to do
LVG came to us as a master tactician I mean we applauded the man for a changing keepers for a penalty shoot out
The man didn't attain this level playing in this manner.
And we saw what he did with Holland in the world cup
I say this because I have to justify some of his action I can't rationale in my mind.
I think Martial as been striking for us most times now even against bournemouth.
And the rooney thing is just team politics any other bizzare sub I just make peace with myself by saying LVG knows.
I still want him out of the club by mid season

LvG's current system which is a 4-3-3 is different from what he used at the WC, a 3-5-2.

Nevertheless I think van Gaals feelawsawfee of total football can be very effective, the problem I think is that the players aren't really into it which is a huge problem.

Every system is good, and every system has it's own weakness. Failure depends on whether the weakness has been found out (as in the case of Jose) or if the playing staff is wrong as in the case of LvG.

adeyemi2015:
I don't have the confidence to say boldly that we will defeat Stoke City! This is a big test for LVG at this critical time - he should show the Management and the Fans what he's actually capable of because a defeat wouldn't be good for him.
My only advice for LVG is to honorably walk away if he loses to the Stoke City.

I don't see Man Utd beating Stoke unless LvG changes his playing pattern.

Stoke guys can be very physical, they press hard and break fast with Bojan, Shakiri, Diouff and Arnautovic at the peak of things.

A direct attacking approach may be a better option. You don't play tiki taka with an Iroko man like Fellaini in the middle and a one legged Valencia by his side.

Spy360:
LvG's current system which is a 4-3-3 is different from what he used at the WC, a 3-5-2.

Nevertheless I think van Gaals feelawsawfee of total football can be very effective, the problem I think is that the players aren't really into it which is a huge problem.

Every system is good, and every system has it's own weakness. Failure depends on whether the weakness has been found out (as in the case of Jose) or if the playing staff is wrong as in the case of LvG.

Hope u don't scream Jose during orgasm

Spy360:
I don't see Man Utd beating Stoke unless LvG changes his playing pattern.

Stoke guys can be very physical, they press hard and break fast with Bojan, Shakiri, Diouff and Arnautovic at the peak of things.

A direct attacking approach may be a better option. You don't play tiki taka with an Iroko man like Fellaini in the middle and a one legged Valencia by his side.

If LVG sticks to his silly philosophy and eventually loses the Match - that means he has already signed his resignation letter or he gets fired!!!