bomasek:
Babe u were slayed by the Doc

... And d "doctor" was slayed by cramjones!

dohyn:


Go read my first post on this topic and stop being emotional. There is a problem in our Health sector and I have offered what I think is the solution. if you cry online from now till 2026,nothing will change and I will still sleep well at night.
It's your type that will impregnate a lady,sit on his ass for 9 months without making provisions for the baby and start fighting when they tell him to pay for C/S..
please, don't quote me again. anuofia

Nothing will change cos people like you are too lazy,cowardly and selfish to try. You just sit on your coward ass and receive "order of death" from above to murder your patients

Coward!

And yes I quote you again, Dokita Alabere iku...murderer!

Crocz:
...awon oloshi apayan gbogbo!

May God grant us and our loved ones good health and keep us away from the hands of these murderers..

Even with better policies and infrastructure, these Nigeria doctors would still be killing patients up and down.. See them all over the thread exhibiting their gross incompetence..

prisiluv:

You are the profoundly foolish and useless one! Cos if u read wat I wrote well,u'll see wher I spoke about how they did their best to save the baby's life. Dnt be silly

We don hear about your doctor bae.

@Op; a very somber moment and it just made me sad.

I couldn't help but ask this question; if this was your sister or a relative of yours, what would you have done 1st? What procedure would you have carried out on them? Would you have put in more effort to stabilised the patient first before calling your superior? Or would you have tried your best for the patient before even thinking of a referral?

I am trying very hard not to say that you’re embarrassing the medical doctors/profession as it appears in this case the ABCDE procedure as mentioned by @Cramjones and other medics in the house doesn't appear as if it was carried out. Even the simplest of first aid procedure wasn’t done (I may be right as well as wrong) which invariably could have saved lives (a possibility) even before you start talking about a referral. Don't get me wrong, as a referral in itself is not wrong but simple procedures still needs to be carried out on the patient before you even get to the referral stage.

The motto for medical doctors still remains as save life first before any other thing; that is the binding process of the medical profession. If you probably had done the correct medical procedure for the patient(s) at the initial stage, then just maybe some would still be alive.

If by any chance the family of the dead victim(s) decides to sue you, your senior officer or the hospital, just be sure to have your defense handy as the case may go down the line of medical negligence. Sad as it is, sometimes, you have to be prepared to go against authority to perform your duty. In all, I’m sure you did your best but I perceive, you could have done a bit more.

Lastly, if this were us lying in that bed, I’m sure you’ll have wanted the doctors to try their best to safe our life irrespective of whether we deposited money or not. Let us always put ourselves in the situation of others and see what we would have done in that instance. In the medical profession, it's always a wise and good process to finish each shift you're involved in for the day with a conscience that you did your best for every patient that you came across during your shift for the day.

I rest my case

cramjones:


Dump your bae! too useless for you!

-CramJones

Lolz..u see,mr cramjones m neither offended nor do i play "bad words ping pong" on NL or anywher else...Gd nyt.

You took an oath. You sld have tried the save the ones you could and face the consequence!
The was you'd feel having saving a life/lives is different from how you'd because you were following some ridiculous instructions from a ridiculous superior enjoying Christmas chicken at the comfort of her home. Some things are sacrosanct! Follow your heart! Leave the rest to God!

how sad doc, I hope our govt will listen and act beause a second could save a life.

cramjones:


If he does, he would also be liable to the crime. He is a first line doctor. Before he called he would have taken action, that is what he is paid to do. He is called the "FIRST on call" for a reason. I wish I had the name of Cosmatika, I would sue him myself and make sure he spends some couple of years in jail so that he would know what medical practice is all about!

This doctor in the UK (a Nigeria) would be cooling her heels in jail because she stopped resuscitating a 6 year old boy who later died. And yet, this idiot called cosmatika comes here to call on government to help him resuscitate accident victims

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/04/leicester-doctor-convicted-over-death-of-six-year-old-boy

CramJones

dem don carry there bad behaviour reach there .....
A cleaner trained in first aid in that hospital could have saved that boy's life.

I am not a Doctor, but would say that ppl should understand that treating of patients requires funds. and if accident victims are treated and hospitial is not able to recover their funds, it is likely the hospital would no longer be there to even treat patients how are willing to pay for the services.

I would suggest that goverment should make it compulsory for each intercity transporter to have insurance cover for all passengers, so in the event of an accident, the hospital is assured of claiming the money from the insurance company. Passengers should be willing to pay and increment in fare for this insurance cover.

vehicle owners should also stop purchasing over-the-counter third party issurance.

toksbisola:
@Op; a very somber moment and it just made me sad.

I couldn't help but ask this question; if this was your sister or a relative of yours, what would you have done 1st? What procedure would you have carried out on them? Would you have put in more effort to stabilised the patient first before calling your superior? Or would you have tried your best for the patient before even thinking of a referral?

I am trying very hard not to say that you’re embarrassing the medical doctors/profession as it appears in this case the ABCDE procedure as mentioned by @Cramjones and other medics in the house doesn't appear as if it was carried out. Even the simplest of first aid procedure wasn’t done (I may be right as well as wrong) which invariably could have saved lives (a possibility) even before you start talking about a referral. Don't get me wrong, as a referral in itself is not wrong but simple procedures still needs to be carried out on the patient before you even get to the referral stage.

The motto for medical doctors still remains as save life first before any other thing that is the oath of the medical profession. If you probably had done the correct medical procedure for the patient(s) at the initial stage, then just maybe some would still be alive.

If by any chance the family of the dead victim(s) decides to sue you, your senior officer or the hospital, just be sure to have your defense handy as the case may go down the line of medical negligence. Sad as it is, sometimes, you have to be prepared to go against authority to perform your duty. In all, I’m sure you did your best but I perceive, you could have done a bit more.

Lastly, if this were us lying in that bed, I’m sure you’ll have wanted the doctors to try their best to safe our life irrespective of whether we deposited money or not. Let us always put ourselves in the situation of others and see what we would have done in that instance. In the medical profession, it's always a good process to finish each shift with a conscience that you did your best for every patient that you came across during your shift for the day.

I rest my case

His doing all that he knew for the patient has been the point tonight. A nice man indeed, but he could have and should have done more.

cramjones:


Please what stupid equipment is the nurse bringing out? An IV canula? A drip bag? What exactly! You should hide your head a shame!

-CramJones

Are you really a doc and you're this grumpy?on a faceless forum............But I used to think doctors aren't bad-tempered people.....

Mr. Jones, your place should be in the barracks, with that temper and that tendency to say not-very-nice things to other people. Trust me when I say that you'd make a fine soldier.

Pay this clown attention......if you wish to get entertained.

vizion:
I am not a Doctor, but would say that ppl should understand that treating of patients requires funds. and if accident victims are treated and hospitial is not able to recover their funds, it is likely the hospital would no longer be there to even treat patients how are willing to pay for the services.

I would suggest that goverment should make it compulsory for each intercity transporter to have insurance cover for all passengers, so in the event of an accident, the hospital is assured of claiming the money from the insurance company. Passengers should be willing to pay and increment in fare for this insurance cover.

vehicle owners should also stop purchasing over-the-counter third party issurance.

You are right, too.

prisiluv:

Hey doc,i feel u..my bae called me sometym ago,all emotional telln me hw a patient(a little baby) was lost...nd how dey all tried...4get all dese pple saying thrash...I'm not a Dr,but being close 2 one has made me understand how powerful the command chain is in a govt hospital.D order 4rm ur superior is almost impossible 2go against even wen a life is being endangered.sometyms,u're torn btwn following a snr reg or consultant's order nd doing wat u knw is best for a patient...That woman is wicked tho...Does emergency need payment first in a govt hospital? who was she even expecting to mak payments dat night nd being an accident victim...Doctors re nice,bt dat lady was heartless.may God have mercy.Keep Doing all u can 2save a life.

Sister, seems u r missing d point!
What d MAJORITY are saying is that he - d "doctor" (sic) shd've done some basic resuscitation/first aid that NEEDS NO CONSUMABLES instead of lazily standing there {probably hands akimbo, looking at d clock) 4 a WHOLE 5 MINUTES till d lady died!
That's what's up!
#OMG!
#Soooo SMH!

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The least I would have done is provide first aid.

Traveling to Nigeria happens to be my worst nightmare because of stories like this.

Nigeria is the most dangerous place to visit in the world. Refer to the link below:

http://www.aol.ca/article/2015/07/29/these-are-the-worlds-most-dangerous-destinations/21215436/?icid=maing-grid7|canada|dl1|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D675815

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Idiot doctor trying to reduce his guilty conscience online! Karma is real! Expect it to bite your a55 soon!
An order is worth more than a fellow Nigerians life! This is a perfect example of how much Nigerians value one another's life! Animals in human skin that fail to evolve!

Nigeria is ripe for trauma centers, and FRSC and first responders trained to take accident victims straight there instead of wasting precious time driving around. Mini air ambulances should be made available too. I trust Buhari to get there soon sha!

ayoolanr:
Idiot doctor trying to reduce his guilty conscience online! Karma is real! Expect it to bite your a55 soon!
An order is worth more than a fellow Nigerians life! This is a perfect example of how much Nigerians value one another's life! Animals in human skin that fail to evolve!

Easy, Bro

Debeloved87:
if that girl that died was your sister will you have listen to the "authority from above" not to save her when you can do so.

At times we need to do extra ordinary things or go the extra mile to save lives and rescue people we love and value, don't forget that's what Jesus came to do for us and we are celebrating him.

Well am not trying to judge you, but that was the thought that came to my heart when I was reading your write up, if that girl was your sister, what will you have done. *tears*

I don't really wanna talk before but at this point, I will. Those calling for the Doc's head are hurt and concerned for the human life but at the same time in this case, you're all ignorant of how the system works.

Aint a doctor but I think I understand where the OP is coming from. At times, in the process of profering a solution against laid down rules, we end up creating problems for ourselves. If you defile orders to do what's is right in some countries, you might be honoured and promoted.

Lot of you here will not be able to help him when the trouble sets in. Coz you're a doc doesn't mean you can go pick tools yourself and start working alone when other docs and nurses are not helping. There are limits and boundaries, everyone with his responsibilities.

If any of the OP's family member was a victim, the best I guess he can do is refer immediately to another hospital coz I can't how smooth he'll be able to attend to an emergency patient on his own. Don't be over clouded by your understanding alone.

The system is rotten of a truth. One disappointment I have about Doc is that they are not doing enough, they are now used to abnorlmacy hence they see nothing special again. Sure this young Doc will soon loose his passion for human lives when this keep repeating itself.

As someone had rightly said, if the Union of Docs can strike coz of their allowances, salaries and other entitlements, I see nno reason why they can't do the same to make govt implement this policies.

Only God knows what the mumu senators and honorables are doing in the chambers

So why are u telling us. My question still remains if it was your sister, would you have let her die?. .... Humans are indeed there worst enemy..

Leopantro:


But you are wrong. I am a doctor and I work in the Nigerian system. Let me give you a story.
Some time ago I delivered a pre-term baby that is a baby born at 24 weeks . Immediately after birth the baby stopped breathing. The hospital I worked with didn't have oxygen and the two incubators where in use. I used my own oxygen cylinder on the baby and did ambubagged that is cardiac massage in the baby for it to breath normally. We entered my car and rushed to LASUTH. We were told no bed space and were referred to LUTH. We drove to LUTH, parked at the car park and walked over a 7 minutes to the pediatric ward where we were told they had no free incubator and had no electricity supply. We were referred to a private hospital in Surulere where the consultant was not around. We decided to go back to our hospital to continue care for the baby. Please note that all this time I was doing cardiac massage on this baby while someone else drove. On our way back to the hospital, the oxygen finished, the baby turned blue and died. We got back to the hospital and the husband beat me up for not saving the baby. This happened 4 years ago ; till date I have not received a dime for what I did. This is what happens everyday.

How on Earth can a certified hospital not have oxygen?!! That's like a basic thing that should be present in every hospital at all times.
The lack of electricity is another issue altogether.

The National Assembly should pass a bill that compels medical personnel to treat patients before demanding payment.

Prince16:


Sister, seems u r missing d point!
What d MAJORITY are saying is that he - d "doctor" (sic) shd've done some basic resuscitation/first aid that NEEDS NO CONSUMABLES instead of lazily standing there {probably hands akimbo, looking at d clock) 4 a WHOLE 5 MINUTES till d lady died!
That's what's up!
#OMG!
#Soooo SMH!

I understand ur point bro.infact I share dat opinion.buh to me, D worst person here is D superior.that was a grossly wicked order.instead of joining hands 2 save D life. cos I dnt tink payments re made b4 attendn 2 emergency cases nd her salary is frm D govt nt hospital revenue..its jst sad!

welcome to Nigeria,where Money is more important than anything else including,including life...smh

CFCman:


How on Earth can a certified hospital not have oxygen?!! That's like a basic thing that should be present in every hospital at all times.
The lack of electricity is another issue altogether.

The National Assembly should pass a bill that compels medical personnel to treat patients before demanding payment.

Bravo! Now we have gone past emotions, we are getting to the problems and hopefully the solutions.

I called other HOs, only 2
showed up, others had travelled.
To my greatest suprise, I called
a medical officer who is a snr
colleague in d proffession, she
said I shud nt touch anyone till
dey paid. That I shud Infact
refer all of dem. I was
incapacitated, d patients were in
pains, crying, calling on us to
help, some already unconscious,
but we couldnt help cos we
have an order frm above.
Within 5mins, 1 young lady in
her early 20s died.

Note:
first action: called other HOS
second action: called MO (for instructions), who on d spot asked him 2 TOUCH NOT/ABSTAIN FROM TREATMENT!
3rd action: He "was incapacitated" and so watched her die!
4th action: he took pictures of her corpse!

Note: NO mention made of ANY form of first aid!
#siddon-look tinz!

Leopantro:


He was given a direct order by a senior doctor not to treat. In an ideal setting, he will answer a query. From a doctor's standpoint, if he went ahead to treat, he will not be punished.
But Nigeria is not an ideal setting. Doctors have been sacked for disobeying senior doctors. As a junior doctor he must be under supervision, a case can be made from there.

The more u try to justify d "doctor's" (sic) action, the more u reveal ur ignorance nay callousness.
Pleeease..........

wytecat:
Nigeria is ripe for trauma centers, and FRSC and first responders trained to take accident victims straight there instead of wasting precious time driving around. Mini air ambulances should be made available too. I trust Buhari to get there soon sha!

I like your idea. There could be, at least, 2 or 3 trauma centers in each state, with provision of air ambulances.

U imidately ran out to buy recharge card.. That was the very first thing that came to your mind on seeing hapless accident victims

I think u'll do better as a clericAl staff like secretary or sthn so u can be running out to buy recharge card more often or become a road side recharge card dealer since you like buying recharge card or better yet become a professional sprinter so u can always 'run out quckly' ... Just listen to yourself, U ran out quickly to buy recharge card.. Usain Bolt!


Pls drive carefully, if u don't vAlue your life, d next man values his.

Hey bro,I understand the presumed difficult situation you found yourself in. I'm a doctor like you,to hell with with such orders,do your best first in such grave emergencies...if that lady that died was your sister would you still have acted on that order?
Securing hemostasis n accessing an IV line would have gone a long way bro.
Always know the kind of situations n when to obey such orders... U no just try!!!!

cosmatika:
Tears run down my cheek as I type this. I went into d medical profession to Save lives, but today I watched a patient die and I could do nothing.
It was around 11am today, 26th Dec 2015, I wz in the emergency room as the only Dr & House officer on call in a state Specialist hospital wen a peugeot wagon followed by a police van drove in. They opened d doors & trunk and started bringing out Accident victims. I did a quick triage & saw dat d 2 in d trunk were in a more critical condition, So d immediate plan was to refer d 2 to FMC wia dey hav better hands and equipment to handle it. So I asked d policeman who d driver is so dat d 2 will be rushed to FMC & he said he died at d Accident scene. I ran outside to buy airtime to start calling other HOs, b4 I could return, dey had dropped d 2 & drove off.
I called other HOs, only 2 showed up, others had travelled. To my greatest suprise, I called a medical officer who is a snr colleague in d proffession, she said I shud nt touch anyone till dey paid. That I shud Infact refer all of dem. I was incapacitated, d patients were in pains, crying, calling on us to help, some already unconscious, but we couldnt help cos we have an order frm above.
Within 5mins, 1 young lady in her early 20s died. Abt 10mins later, another police van came and carried d remaining 7 to FMC.
This evening, some road safety corps came to inquire if any Accident victims were brought to our center. They had retrieved d manifest frm d vehicle and contacted d families of d passengers. Dey came wit d relations of one of d patients, and wen I told dem 1 of dem died, dey asked for d Description of d 1 dat died and I showed dem d pix of d gal dat died, behold she was d 1 dey were looking for and right there was the gal's fiancee. Their traditional wedding was to be in 3days tym
I want to use this medium to call on the govt to make policies dat"ll enable Drs treat patients in such condition. Let's Save the human race

My brother/sister you did your best, and God is your witness. But whoever gave the order not to care for those accident victims till they pay, hehehe.....God will never take tragidy away from his or her home. He or she may have money to pay when it will struck but he or she will die at the spot. This I pray this day in Jesus name. We and our family members shall see the end of this year and beyond in the name of Jesus... Amen.

jusRadical:




Do not stand and talk about useless policy. Do not look for any policy to blame. Learn how to take responsibility for your actions.

How much are we talking about here? A million, 2, 10, 100 that will make you leave people to die?

You left them to die. What if any of them was you child?

You would have done everytning necessary to save them.

Are you happy now?

You may have to deal with this guilt for the rest your life.

Have you watched the film titled 24? Do whatever thing necessary to save a life even if it means going against the president himself.

My LORD JESUS CHRIST had to heal the sick on sabbath days as against the Jewish laws.

Dig it?

Good day!

Mheen, leave matter!
Dem say 'fire burn Imam to ashes', u dey ask of hin bia-bia!
"EVERYTHING" sef is 2 much! What he needed to have done was SOMETHING, but alas, he did NOTHING!

Bjergtrolde:


Bravo! Now we have gone past emotions, we are getting to the problems and hopefully the solutions.

The NHIS should cover all patients. Also, employers should provide health insurance for their workers. That way, hospitals are assured of payment for services, and can begin treatment as soon as the patient is brought to the hospital.

cosmatika:
Did u read everything at all? I'm a house officer, d lowest in d medical ladder. Can't tek some decisions wtout my snrs. Its a govt hospt & nt my father's

Brother, hippocratic greetings. Without any attempt at intimidation, you goofed slightly. Perhaps you'd adjust as you age in the practice, but don't EVER discuss your work, or its workings, out in the open like this! You would get enough fibre to decide, as soon as you loose some greenness. All the best!