Richirich713:


And I assume u saw "nothing" do "something" and later randomly created dinosaurs for no reason.

Richirich713:


Atheists no longer hold to the view that the universe is eternal, that all change when the big bang arrived on the scene.

And yes its makes much more sense to say a intelligent eternal being created the world than to say "nothing" did it.

Richirich713:


Atheists no longer hold to the view that the universe is eternal, that all change when the big bang arrived on the scene.

And yes its makes much more sense to say a intelligent eternal being created the world than to say "nothing" did it.

sonOfLucifer:

Ignorance is bliss. Atheism makes no claim to the origin of the universe.

frank317:


Guy... Pls educate yourself instead of parading ur ignorance in the open.
Atheism is not synonymous with science. Atheists dont believe in your God, they make no claim on the origin of the universe

Richirich713:


And I assume u saw "nothing" do "something" and later randomly created dinosaurs for no reason.

Richirich713:


Atheist hero Dawkins thinks "nothing" created everything So does many atheists on nairaland.




I never said it was synonymous to science.

Many atheists say "nothing" created this universe . And I seen many of them on nairaland.

Richirich713:


Atheists no longer hold to the view that the universe is eternal, that all change when the big bang arrived on the scene.

And yes its makes much more sense to say a intelligent eternal being created the world than to say "nothing" did it.

Richirich713:


Atheist hero Dawkins thinks "nothing" created everything So does many atheists on nairaland.




I never said it was synonymous to science.

Many atheists say "nothing" created this universe . And I seen many of them on nairaland.

Redlyn:


That's not true. Before the big bang there was something.The big bang was just the begining of an expansion process. It was not the begining of everything that exists. So as far as I am concerned existence or something existing could well be eternal.

frank317:


Most atheist clearly say they dont know what created the universe. Atheists dont just believe in God since God has not and never proven himself to man.

frank317:


Besides, nothing created the universe, nothing created God who created the universe? Are u not saying the same thing?

frank317:


Why do u just want God to exist? Of what benefit is this to u?

wiegraf:


Do you believe dinosaurs existed?

CoolUsername:
Richirich713, please stop regurgitating creationist memes that we've all seen hundreds of times.

CoolUsername:


Also, the big bang theory talks about the rapid expansion of the universe from an incredibly dense point of intense heat.

Richirich713:


Then atheist shouldn't argue with theists, since saying "I don't know" means u lack a position to argue from, not only do u not know the best explanation but u also do not know if the theist is correct.

So atheists shouldn't say they do not know but they know theists are incorrect about a designer.

Nothing created God?

Let me quote Roy Abraham Vargheseon why there must be something eternal.

"If anything at all exists, there must be something preceding it that always existed. How did this eternally existing reality come to be? The answer is that it never came to be. It always existed. Take your pick: God or universe. Something always existed."

I think we both know that whatever created us and this universe must be eternal.

It not about what I want or of what benefit it has to me, it's about whether it is true or not.

And so far the evidence continues to point to a designer.

frank317:


So saying I dont know means we should accept anything? There are more than a thousand ideas of God and they all sound silly. Yahweh's version is the most childish myths of them all.

frank317:

When asked to prove or show your God you start talking God is spirit and experience bulllsshit. No one has seen God. And no one knows if God exist. Assuming there is one and made up stories must be questioned and that's what we are doing.

frank317:

From the above, its obvious that God concept is just an assumption based on what man think are layed down principals.
My brother... Being ignorant and admitting it is nt a bad thing. The most foolish and delusional thing is to assume a creator based on the fact that you think something must always exist, then you even go ahead and start worshiping that assumption. Isn't that sick.

frank317:

How can it be true when its an assumption. If God exist of what benefit is it to the world. How did it change anything. Did it stop death? Did it stop human suffering? Did it stop u from falling in love and getting married? Did it stop you from husling everyday?

sonOfLucifer:
Stay Tuned....

Coming Up...
Understanding Christianity: Laws, Blood and Warriors.

Sagamite:


Who created the "Ultimate Being"?

He emerged from "Nothing"?

lepasharon:


Noah's ark nko?

Richirich713:


No its means u are a pure Agnostic not the strong atheist who says firmly there is no God.

Saying I don't know means u have no opinion on the evidence on either side and can't argue against the theist position or for the atheist position.

You wouldn't argue against theism if you didn't think there was knowledge that we were wrong.

No one said in order for God to exist there must be one true religion, in fact proving all religions false does not prove there is no God.

Former diehard Atheist Anthony Flew understood this when he converted from Atheism to deism.

Proving God exists is not a scientific experiment, we don't used inductive methods , we don't run "the experiment " a 1000 times then conclude it's scientifically proven God exists.

Nor should we conclude just because we can't observed God means he doesn't exist , even Albert Einstein believed this , he just didn't believe in a personal God.

We have to evaluate all the evidence of the universe and search for the best explanation , and so far the best explanation is intelligent design.

Assumptions? It's not a assumption that there must be something eternal and necessary, it's logical thinking and obvious, people that deny that there must be something eternal are completely in denial. If this was 100 years ago I doubt u would deny a eternal universe.

Guy it's not a question of religion or worship, I wasn't always a christian, there was a time I just believed in a intelligent designer cuz the evidence of the universe screams out design.

Is has nothing to do with benefits to us , it's about intelligent design, who wrote the laws of nature, who fine-tune the universe ,why does the universe act like a quantum computer and the problem of consciousness.

Suffering, death and sin is a question that challenges religious views on the creator not the existence of a intelligent creator.

I hope u understand proving religions false does not refute the existence of God.

frank317:

I dont care. If you like call me atheist if you like call me theist. The bottom line is, I dont believe in your God and so many other Gods out there. If God exists, the whole world would know and no one will doubt, until he clearly define himself to men, he does not exist, simple.

frank317:


God does not exist. If he does we will know just like we all know sun exists. All this long English only shows that we are making assumptions.

frank317:

There is nothing logical about making up a being and giving it roles and powers and worshipping it. Its not logical. THERE MUST BE SOMETHING LOGICAL AND ETERNAL is an assumptive statement. Logical reasoning comes with facts but u said it yourself that God cannot be Observed through experimentation.

frank317:

No suffering, death and pain shows how useless a creator is to the universe

frank317:

OK... Let me ask u... Can something that does not exist be refuted?
Refuting God is not the issue here... Proving him is.

Richirich713:


Eternal but not intelligent?

It has to be eternal and random?

abdulaz:

From my understanding of cause and effect, something must create something to exist.

Sagamite:


Richirich713 is about to disprove that argument in your face.

He is just keeping me waiting for too long.

Richirich713, what da fck?

Where are my answers?

Richirich713:


On why it makes more sense that a eternal intelligent being created the universe instead of the world literally coming from nothing?

Redlyn:


I am not saying it is necessarily random because no one really knows.
The only thing we can rely on is the evidence. I don't see the evidence for intelligence. The evidence is pointing towards randomness.
Should intelligence unambiguously reveal itself, then that's what I will believe.

Whether existence/universe is intelligent or random is purely academic, as it doesn't in anyway impact my life. If we somehow establish it is intelligent then I will just philosophically shift from atheism to deism and carry on as usual. To get to theism will require evidence of a personal god.

Sagamite:


https://www.nairaland.com/2828556/luciferean-series-understanding-christianity/2#41525135

Richirich713:


It's makes more sense due to the complexity and order of the universe, fine-tuning etc. In my opinion that makes much more sense than saying the source that created this universe had no intelligence.

Do u believe this world came by chance or?

Sagamite:


Again, that is not the answer to my question.

What has "intelligence" got to do with "eternal"?

Read well and answer:

https://www.nairaland.com/2828556/luciferean-series-understanding-christianity/1#41523285