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Sacluxpaint:
@italo I can't go back to my vomit(catholicism) Christ Jesus has set me free from the bondage of Rome. Twisting scripture to fit into your traditions is pure heresy. Why should I be member of a church whose origin was rooted into paganism, hence the imagery and statues you see in every nook and cranny of the church. Please read the bible more without sentiment and forget what you are hearing from Rome.

Speechless3:
If someone had told me i will be making a life changing decision like this many years ago i would have been enraged, not at he or she but at the force that would dare cause that.

Was born a catholic, baptised by a priest and cofirmed by the state bishop. I annexed to this by becoming a member of the legion of mary (tho left at one time) i was still faithful to the blessed virgin mary with my bead ritual.

The truth is i only had to do this and that and then the other and relax. By relax, i mean do what ever i wanted. Club, have sex, drink, curse, lie, cheat, disobey other authorities, go nude etc as long as i came back for confession all the time and obtained mercy from God through the priest, i was fine. Maybe they didnt think it was fine i.e my lifestyle but the silence and indifference they showed, gave me the wrongest impression. After all i was always encouraged to go for confession like my life was hanging on it.

This is something that all catholics will understand. After confession we feel a bit unburdened with guilt...for a while. I dont know about others, but mine was not always more than an hour and i would be back to square one (or may be i never left there but thought i did). I was not freaky about the sunday communion thing like others cos i didnt think i was worthy.

Going to the university exposed me to other religious groups. I didn't like the way they shouted while praying but i admired the way they reverred the bible and talked about Christ more.
I thought the catholic church was doing little in the teaching of biblical truths but was still a good model for other churches, mushroom churches.

There were times i made resolutions to turn a new leaf but they always never came to a fruition.
Up till now. I couldn't, i cant keep them. All the rules of right living get lost on me. I just cant change. Talked with our priest every day about this after our doctrinal classes (joined the Opus dei) He suggested i read books of saints who had lived and overcame evil and of course by following the many laid down rules and rituals of the church. I read about mother Theresa, Pope John Paul the II, Saint José maria. Still nothing. It only made me feel unworthy but no power in them.

I decided to read the bible at last after so many procrastinations. I started with John and i have not seen any slight resemblance with the Church. I will continue with Matthew, Mark and Luke this month.

So many things in this old boring book are startling me.



Hi Speechless33, I am a Muslim and I know I might be the last kind of person you might want to get advice from. But then, I'd just try to advice you anyway. This is because sometimes, the solution to our problems may not really lie in the direction where we're searching through.

I always like to have religious discussions not just to convince anyone but sometimes for the sake of seeking knowledge. The fact that I don't agree with a particular point doesn't mean I cant have knowledge about it.

I know many will be surprised to see a non-christian fellow in a thread like this, but I'd like to make everyone understand that I'm not here to create any kind of enmity or problems around here. I'm here because of the OP's worries.

I usually ask people a simple question, why do we actually practice the various religions we are practicing? Most of us could begin to give several reasons within our hearts but the simple truth is that most of us do because that is what we were born into and brought up with. We have been made to believe what they believe and most times majority of us eventually get very grounded in what we do. Think about it, if you were to be born in the northern part of this country where majority are muslims or if your parents were to be muslims, definitely, you will be practicing Islam and you will do anything to defend your faith.

Regardless of this, we still find some set of people, defecting to other religions based on their personal reasons and it all begins when you begin to think and question some things about your belief.

It's really important to note that the fact majority are doing a thing doesn't make it right and also the fact that you do something a way and it works for you doesn't also make it right. An example is idol worship, the fact that some people worship idols and their prayers are answered doesn't make idol worshiping right.

Almighty God who created us Has the knowledge of everything. He created us and gave us rules and regulations to follow. Sin is simply going against the commandment of God Almighty. Just as Adam and Eve committed sin by going against the commandment of God, so also every human being who goes against the commandments of God has committed an sin. Death is not a consequence of sin but it is a sure reality which will overcome every creature in this world. God Who created the heaven and hell knows why He created them. Think about it, if we don't die, how are we going to be judged? It's absolutely obvious that the outcome of the judgement is what will differentiate the dwellers of the heaven from those of hell. If the heaven and the hell are going to be the final destinations, then we all need to ask ourselves what the real purpose of our creation is...

No doubt everyone of us want to go to the heaven and the only way we can do that is to worship God Almighty our Creator alone and follow HIs commandments. The only way we commit sin is because satan the accursed creeps into our hearts and always tend to make us go against the commandments of God. That's why when we commit a sin, we need to repent and turn back to our Creator because He's the only One Who can forgive us and save us from satan. If you flash back, that's the same thing Adam and Eve did and God Almighty Who is The All Forgiving, The Merciful forgave them. He will always forgive us as long as we fall back to Him in sincere repentance...

Islam is the ONLY non-christian faith which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus Christ(peace be upon him). No muslim is a muslim if he does not believe in Jesus Christ(peace be upon him). This is because he was a messenger and a Prophet of God Almighty.

Islam is an arabic word derived from the arabic word 'slm, which means PEACE'. Islam by definition simply means "peace acquired through total submission to the will of Almighty God".

Muslim is also an arabic word which by definition means "someone who totally submits his/her will to the will of Almighty God"

For those who are really sincerely searching for the truth about the essence of our creation and looking for answers as regards some disturbing issues, kindly consult the Last and Final Revelation sent to the whole of humanity by God Almighty (The Noble Quran) through His Last and Final Prophet and Messenger (Prophet MUhammad, Peace Be upon him).

Quran is the only religious scripture on the surface of the earth which still retains its original for since Its revelation over 1400 years back. Although, It was revealed through Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him), every single word in It is God's.

It's highly important to note that there is no compulsion in religion but at the same time, there's no harm in seeking for knowledge even if it's about what you don't believe in.

Forget about how some unfortunate people try to paint Islam black, you just open the book and look sincerely into it and I pray you find your answers and guidance.

Speechless3:
If someone had told me i will be making a life changing decision like this many years ago i would have been enraged, not at he or she but at the force that would dare cause that.

Was born a catholic, baptised by a priest and cofirmed by the state bishop. I annexed to this by becoming a member of the legion of mary (tho left at one time) i was still faithful to the blessed virgin mary with my bead ritual.

The truth is i only had to do this and that and then the other and relax. By relax, i mean do what ever i wanted. Club, have sex, drink, curse, lie, cheat, disobey other authorities, go nude etc as long as i came back for confession all the time and obtained mercy from God through the priest, i was fine. Maybe they didnt think it was fine i.e my lifestyle but the silence and indifference they showed, gave me the wrongest impression. After all i was always encouraged to go for confession like my life was hanging on it.

This is something that all catholics will understand. After confession we feel a bit unburdened with guilt...for a while. I dont know about others, but mine was not always more than an hour and i would be back to square one (or may be i never left there but thought i did). I was not freaky about the sunday communion thing like others cos i didnt think i was worthy.

Going to the university exposed me to other religious groups. I didn't like the way they shouted while praying but i admired the way they reverred the bible and talked about Christ more.
I thought the catholic church was doing little in the teaching of biblical truths but was still a good model for other churches, mushroom churches.

There were times i made resolutions to turn a new leaf but they always never came to a fruition.
Up till now. I couldn't, i cant keep them. All the rules of right living get lost on me. I just cant change. Talked with our priest every day about this after our doctrinal classes (joined the Opus dei) He suggested i read books of saints who had lived and overcame evil and of course by following the many laid down rules and rituals of the church. I read about mother Theresa, Pope John Paul the II, Saint José maria. Still nothing. It only made me feel unworthy but no power in them.

I decided to read the bible at last after so many procrastinations. I started with John and i have not seen any slight resemblance with the Church. I will continue with Matthew, Mark and Luke this month.

So many things in this old boring book are startling me.

Sacluxpaint:
@italo I can't go back to my vomit(catholicism) Christ Jesus has set me free from the bondage of Rome. Twisting scripture to fit into your traditions is pure heresy. Why should I be member of a church whose origin was rooted into paganism, hence the imagery and statues you see in every nook and cranny of the church. Please read the bible more without sentiment and forget what you are hearing from Rome.

Sacluxpaint:
Oga I can't reply to all the places you quoted and mentioned, but at the last paragraph, I will ask you this, do you believe in purgatory? If you do, no further argument. My case has been proven. Keep swallowing all you get from the Roman Vatican. The word of God remains truth and sharp like a two edged sword. Take it or leave it.

habicab:
Hi Speechless33, I am a Muslim and I know I might be the last kind of person you might want to get advice from. But then, I'd just try to advice you anyway. This is because sometimes, the solution to our problems may not really lie in the direction where we're searching through.

I always like to have religious discussions not just to convince anyone but sometimes for the sake of seeking knowledge. The fact that I don't agree with a particular point doesn't mean I cant have knowledge about it.

I know many will be surprised to see a non-christian fellow in a thread like this, but I'd like to make everyone understand that I'm not here to create any kind of enmity or problems around here. I'm here because of the OP's worries.

I usually ask people a simple question, why do we actually practice the various religions we are practicing? Most of us could begin to give several reasons within our hearts but the simple truth is that most of us do because that is what we were born into and brought up with. We have been made to believe what they believe and most times majority of us eventually get very grounded in what we do. Think about it, if you were to be born in the northern part of this country where majority are muslims or if your parents were to be muslims, definitely, you will be practicing Islam and you will do anything to defend your faith.

Regardless of this, we still find some set of people, defecting to other religions based on their personal reasons and it all begins when you begin to think and question some things about your belief.

It's really important to note that the fact majority are doing a thing doesn't make it right and also the fact that you do something a way and it works for you doesn't also make it right. An example is idol worship, the fact that some people worship idols and their prayers are answered doesn't make idol worshiping right.

Almighty God who created us Has the knowledge of everything. He created us and gave us rules and regulations to follow. Sin is simply going against the commandment of God Almighty. Just as Adam and Eve committed sin by going against the commandment of God, so also every human being who goes against the commandments of God has committed an sin. Death is not a consequence of sin but it is a sure reality which will overcome every creature in this world. God Who created the heaven and hell knows why He created them. Think about it, if we don't die, how are we going to be judged? It's absolutely obvious that the outcome of the judgement is what will differentiate the dwellers of the heaven from those of hell. If the heaven and the hell are going to be the final destinations, then we all need to ask ourselves what the real purpose of our creation is...

No doubt everyone of us want to go to the heaven and the only way we can do that is to worship God Almighty our Creator alone and follow HIs commandments. The only way we commit sin is because satan the accursed creeps into our hearts and always tend to make us go against the commandments of God. That's why when we commit a sin, we need to repent and turn back to our Creator because He's the only One Who can forgive us and save us from satan. If you flash back, that's the same thing Adam and Eve did and God Almighty Who is The All Forgiving, The Merciful forgave them. He will always forgive us as long as we fall back to Him in sincere repentance...

Islam is the ONLY non-christian faith which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus Christ(peace be upon him). No muslim is a muslim if he does not believe in Jesus Christ(peace be upon him). This is because he was a messenger and a Prophet of God Almighty.

Islam is an arabic word derived from the arabic word 'slm, which means PEACE'. Islam by definition simply means "peace acquired through total submission to the will of Almighty God".

Muslim is also an arabic word which by definition means "someone who totally submits his/her will to the will of Almighty God"

For those who are really sincerely searching for the truth about the essence of our creation and looking for answers as regards some disturbing issues, kindly consult the Last and Final Revelation sent to the whole of humanity by God Almighty (The Noble Quran) through His Last and Final Prophet and Messenger (Prophet MUhammad, Peace Be upon him).

Quran is the only religious scripture on the surface of the earth which still retains its original for since Its revelation over 1400 years back. Although, It was revealed through Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him), every single word in It is God's.

It's highly important to note that there is no compulsion in religion but at the same time, there's no harm in seeking for knowledge even if it's about what you don't believe in.

Forget about how some unfortunate people try to paint Islam black, you just open the book and look sincerely into it and I pray you find your answers and guidance.

bxcode:
Nice comment. Do you mind if I ask you something?

Speechless3:
Probably. But the catholic church still has the highest population. Can all these people be wrong?

habicab:
Hi Speechless33, I am a Muslim and I know I might be the last kind of person you might want to get advice from.

Kamxin:
My dear, a word is enough for the wise, be smart, don't pursue people away with a long sermon because you want to be listened to.

BTW, you also want to grab speechless 3
Best of luck.

Speechless3:
No you dont.

Will is like some choice i have to make. It is decisional in nature. While Can is ability, power to do, influence or control a thing. I don't have the latter.

habicab:
I'm sorry but the post wasn't meant for you. You chose to read it because you wanted to. So kindly disregard if it makes no meaning to you.
Thanks.

Kamxin:
It makes meaningooo
Just that it is scary on sight for longPostPhobic people like me.
As-Salāmu Alaykum.

Speechless3:
If someone had told me i will be making a life changing decision like this many years ago i would have been enraged, not at he or she but at the force that would dare cause that.

Was born a catholic, baptised by a priest and cofirmed by the state bishop. I annexed to this by becoming a member of the legion of mary (tho left at one time) i was still faithful to the blessed virgin mary with my bead ritual.

The truth is i only had to do this and that and then the other and relax. By relax, i mean do what ever i wanted. Club, have sex, drink, curse, lie, cheat, disobey other authorities, go nude etc as long as i came back for confession all the time and obtained mercy from God through the priest, i was fine. Maybe they didnt think it was fine i.e my lifestyle but the silence and indifference they showed, gave me the wrongest impression. After all i was always encouraged to go for confession like my life was hanging on it.

This is something that all catholics will understand. After confession we feel a bit unburdened with guilt...for a while. I dont know about others, but mine was not always more than an hour and i would be back to square one (or may be i never left there but thought i did). I was not freaky about the sunday communion thing like others cos i didnt think i was worthy.

Going to the university exposed me to other religious groups. I didn't like the way they shouted while praying but i admired the way they reverred the bible and talked about Christ more.
I thought the catholic church was doing little in the teaching of biblical truths but was still a good model for other churches, mushroom churches.

There were times i made resolutions to turn a new leaf but they always never came to a fruition.
Up till now. I couldn't, i cant keep them. All the rules of right living get lost on me. I just cant change. Talked with our priest every day about this after our doctrinal classes (joined the Opus dei) He suggested i read books of saints who had lived and overcame evil and of course by following the many laid down rules and rituals of the church. I read about mother Theresa, Pope John Paul the II, Saint José maria. Still nothing. It only made me feel unworthy but no power in them.

I decided to read the bible at last after so many procrastinations. I started with John and i have not seen any slight resemblance with the Church. I will continue with Matthew, Mark and Luke this month.

So many things in this old boring book are startling me.

habicab:
Hi Speechless33, I am a Muslim and I know I might be the last kind of person you might want to get advice from. But then, I'd just try to advice you anyway. This is because sometimes, the solution to our problems may not really lie in the direction where we're searching through.

I always like to have religious discussions not just to convince anyone but sometimes for the sake of seeking knowledge. The fact that I don't agree with a particular point doesn't mean I cant have knowledge about it.

I know many will be surprised to see a non-christian fellow in a thread like this, but I'd like to make everyone understand that I'm not here to create any kind of enmity or problems around here. I'm here because of the OP's worries.

I usually ask people a simple question, why do we actually practice the various religions we are practicing? Most of us could begin to give several reasons within our hearts but the simple truth is that most of us do because that is what we were born into and brought up with. We have been made to believe what they believe and most times majority of us eventually get very grounded in what we do. Think about it, if you were to be born in the northern part of this country where majority are muslims or if your parents were to be muslims, definitely, you will be practicing Islam and you will do anything to defend your faith.

Regardless of this, we still find some set of people, defecting to other religions based on their personal reasons and it all begins when you begin to think and question some things about your belief.

It's really important to note that the fact majority are doing a thing doesn't make it right and also the fact that you do something a way and it works for you doesn't also make it right. An example is idol worship, the fact that some people worship idols and their prayers are answered doesn't make idol worshiping right.

Almighty God who created us Has the knowledge of everything. He created us and gave us rules and regulations to follow. Sin is simply going against the commandment of God Almighty. Just as Adam and Eve committed sin by going against the commandment of God, so also every human being who goes against the commandments of God has committed an sin. Death is not a consequence of sin but it is a sure reality which will overcome every creature in this world. God Who created the heaven and hell knows why He created them. Think about it, if we don't die, how are we going to be judged? It's absolutely obvious that the outcome of the judgement is what will differentiate the dwellers of the heaven from those of hell. If the heaven and the hell are going to be the final destinations, then we all need to ask ourselves what the real purpose of our creation is...

No doubt everyone of us want to go to the heaven and the only way we can do that is to worship God Almighty our Creator alone and follow HIs commandments. The only way we commit sin is because satan the accursed creeps into our hearts and always tend to make us go against the commandments of God. That's why when we commit a sin, we need to repent and turn back to our Creator because He's the only One Who can forgive us and save us from satan. If you flash back, that's the same thing Adam and Eve did and God Almighty Who is The All Forgiving, The Merciful forgave them. He will always forgive us as long as we fall back to Him in sincere repentance...

Islam is the ONLY non-christian faith which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus Christ(peace be upon him). No muslim is a muslim if he does not believe in Jesus Christ(peace be upon him). This is because he was a messenger and a Prophet of God Almighty.

Islam is an arabic word derived from the arabic word 'slm, which means PEACE'. Islam by definition simply means "peace acquired through total submission to the will of Almighty God".

Muslim is also an arabic word which by definition means "someone who totally submits his/her will to the will of Almighty God"

For those who are really sincerely searching for the truth about the essence of our creation and looking for answers as regards some disturbing issues, kindly consult the Last and Final Revelation sent to the whole of humanity by God Almighty (The Noble Quran) through His Last and Final Prophet and Messenger (Prophet MUhammad, Peace Be upon him).

Quran is the only religious scripture on the surface of the earth which still retains its original for since Its revelation over 1400 years back. Although, It was revealed through Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him), every single word in It is God's.

It's highly important to note that there is no compulsion in religion but at the same time, there's no harm in seeking for knowledge even if it's about what you don't believe in.

Forget about how some unfortunate people try to paint Islam black, you just open the book and look sincerely into it and I pray you find your answers and guidance.

danidee10:
Jeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........it's like i'm in you and you're in me....This is exactly how i'm feeling and how i feel about the catholic church....now i just go to church to please my parents and keep their mind at ease but i find it very hard to believe in the teachings of something i was born with and grew up into...i also went to a catholic university but i guess it even weakened my faith more because i saw some disgusting things supposed priests and reverend sisters do, i've been baptized and i'm even a practicing communicant but i'm tired of all these recitiation of prayers (Litany of blessed virgin mary, the Rosary in general, benediction etc etc etc) (Like i'm in a cult)

I Might become a jehovah witness soon (I like the way they go about their life...though they have a lot of controversy sorrounding them)

Speechless3:
I think i will take this advice. I feel so cut off from the church. Do you think i should see another priest?

danidee10:
Jeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........it's like i'm in you and you're in me....This is exactly how i'm feeling and how i feel about the catholic church....now i just go to church to please my parents and keep their mind at ease but i find it very hard to believe in the teachings of something i was born with and grew up into...i also went to a catholic university but i guess it even weakened my faith more because i saw some disgusting things supposed priests and reverend sisters do, i've been baptized and i'm even a practicing communicant but i'm tired of all these recitiation of prayers (Litany of blessed virgin mary, the Rosary in general, benediction etc etc etc) (Like i'm in a cult)

I Might become a jehovah witness soon (I like the way they go about their life...though they have a lot of controversy sorrounding them)

Kamxin:
My dear, both of you are not in the same boat at all
The former, grew up believing firmly the teachings and traditions passed to her, but said she is trapped in a pernicious cycle of sin, and want to overcome it. So she feel a change of church is necessary.
But you, you grew up, having gotten enough sense feel that your parent's church is not teaching the truth you think is the truth. So every thing being done in the church is disgusting.

My kind advise for you is PLEASE LEAVE, you are not the first to leave neither would you be the last. Be free. I think the Catholic church do not teach people not to leave.
Be free and exercise your right.

BTW, for many years till now, you haven't chosen the one to follow. This attitude of yours smacks of unseriousness on your path, contrasting to that of the OP. I would like to have some of your teaching which you belived is the truth.

danidee10:
..i also went to a catholic university but i guess it even weakened my faith more because i saw some disgusting things supposed priests and reverend sisters do.

I Might become a jehovah witness soon

Kamxin:
1 Corinthians 9:27New King James Version (NKJV)

27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

This is to remind you of what Paul is doing to remain valid. So it is a reminder of what every priest or sister is struggling to do. Every pastor or leader in any church is not a saint, don't tell me again next time that they are making you leave your church.

I thought God commandment is: love of God and love of neighbor, why not tell us how you have been loving and leave priests and sisters to struggle with theirs. Op narration of her struggle to love God is sensational. Tow her path to true love of God

danidee10:
did ur eyes skip the parts were i said i was baptized and currently i'm still a practicing communicant.

danidee10:
as for having some of my teachings that i believe is the truth...it's not some it's just one and it was stated in the bible

LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF

Speechless3:
There were times i made resolutions to turn a new leaf but they always never came to a fruition.
Up till now. I couldn't, i cant keep them. All the rules of right living get lost on me. I just cant change.

I decided to read the bible at last after so many procrastinations. I started with John and i have not seen any slight resemblance with the Church. I will continue with Matthew, Mark and Luke this month.

So many things in this old boring book are startling me.

danidee10:
i truly believed in the teachings of the church, did ur eyes skip the parts were i said i was baptized and currently i'm still a practicing communicant...the decision is still up to me to LEAVE i so i don't need your advice....also i've been in the catholic circle all my life....Pry School was catholic, Secondary School was catholic, University was Catholic....i don't believe the whole church is disgusting i said the things i saw in the university...when did university == the catholic church...i know a lot of good priests and people in the catholic church so i'm not condemning the catholic church

i will never condemn anybody cuz i know i'm not perfect....i have my own flaws and things that i have done in the past that i'm not proud of...nobody has the right to condemn anyone

....as for having some of my teachings that i believe is the truth...it's not some it's just one and it was stated in the bible

LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF aka TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WANT TO BE TREATED

If everyone and every religion really followed this single truth the world will indeed be a better place

mrZENographer:
Come to THE LORDS CHOSEN and you shall receive power to live a holy life.
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danidee10:
i'm not trying to launch an attack on islam or on you....but i've read so many horrible things about islam and i checked the quran and the hadith to confirm some of the verses and they turned out to be true....i simply can't believe in islam except all the teachings from the hadith are ignored...please feel free to enlighten me or share your opinion